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Faux feminist pop music be gone!

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I know this close to the election, I probably should be writing about electoral politics, but I have to take some posting time to register my annoyance at Beyoncé‘s first single released as her unwitting drag queen persona, Sasha Fierce. The ladies at Broadsheet tackled the single “If I Were A Boy”, so I won’t bother with that.  Plus, as annoying as that song is, it didn’t get on my nerves in nearly the same way that the other song they linked did.  This is not the official video, which has embedding disabled, but you can hear it:

The official video is here

The first verse is pretty funny.

Now put your hands up
Up in the club, we just broke up
I’m doing my own little thing
Decided to dip but now you wanna trip
Cuz another brother noticed me
I’m up on him, he up on me
dont pay him any attention
cried my tears, for three good years
Ya can’t be mad at me

Okay, I am a fan of going out and having exactly this kind of fun as a way to get over being strung along for years by someone who slowly but surely dismantled your self-esteem.  (Best pop song describing that?  “You Keep Me Hanging On” by the Supremes.  Best song describing it from the point of view of the sadistic asshole getting his kicks by rejecting someone enough to make her feel bad, but not enough that she leaves him?  “Under My Thumb” by the Rolling Stones.)  So I can see that this verse feels empowering, in that way a strong fuck you can.  But then it goes off the rails.

Cuz if you liked it then you should have put a ring on it
If you liked it then you shoulda put a ring on it
Don’t be mad once you see that want it
If you liked it then you shoulda put a ring on it

Oh no, you have got to be fucking kidding me.  My first thought, upon listening to this chorus is, “Didn’t know you could put a ring on pussy,” since I can understanding calling your vagina “it”.  I fail to see how, “If you liked it then you shoulda put a ring on it” isn’t pure objectification, though I suppose there’s a refreshing honesty in this lyric’s description of our engagement traditions, which do indeed seem to resemble marking your property with a diamond.  Perhaps the narrator hasn’t faced up entirely to how much this SOB has dismantled her self-esteem, and the reference to herself as “it” reflects this.  Which is a fairly sophisticated lyric-writing trick for a pop song, but far from unknown.  (“Polly” by Nirvana comes to mind as a song that had an unreliable narrator that was unfortunately taken on face value by asswipes who liked to listen to Nirvana because it was hard, and never realized how feminist and anti-violence the lyrics were.) 

It would certainly explain why the narrator would have accepted an offer of marriage from such a motherfucker as the sort she describes here.  Because that’s the other thing that bothers me about this.  I understand that a lot of women are frustrated by guys who hold out on the ring, happy to have the relationship and the sex while keeping their options open, while said women are expected to already be in deep enough to say yes when the proposal is offered.  But I don’t see the ultimatum strategy celebrated here as an answer.  Because isn’t that the implicit idea?  To get women together to say, “Ring or door, your choice,” without asking why on earth you’d want to marry someone who puts you in that spot because he enjoys the sadistic pleasure of seeing how far along he can string you before you break.

The driving beat of the song and the ballsy singing is clearly supposed to signal feminist anthem, but I’m sorry, it’s not only not transgressive, but it reinscribes the idea that women are basically passive, and we don’t have control over who we choose to be with or even to question why we should want the ring so badly (so badly that a ring should erase bad treatment at someone’s hands), but that our only power is to use sex as a bargaining chip to get the only thing we’re supposed to really want.  So, as a feminist anthem, I call it a failure.  Actually, the “If I Were A Boy” song gets a couple of points for at least questioning male dominance.

Once again, I feel that the music industry is cleverly positioning songs that kind of sort of sound powerful but reinscribe traditional female passivity as a substitute for songs that might actually give women ideas.  (Which is one reason I’m tickled by Rock Band 2, which has included truly transgressive songs like “Rebel Girl” and “Bad Reputation” right there where people who wouldn’t otherwise hear those songs will be exposed to them.)  There’s just too long a line of faux feminist singers out there singing songs that sound kind of tough but are fundamentally about reveling in cattiness or victimhood—-Alanis Morrisette, Avril Lavigne, now this Kate Perry annoyance, and at least on this song, Beyoncé.

 

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Posted by Amanda Marcotte on 06:57 PM • (64) Comments

you forgot my favorite “bitch” by merideth brooks, who rocked out looking like a soccer mom in a slip dress in the video. so angry! yet so perky! wheeeeee!

Comment #1: jessilikewhoa  on  10/30  at  07:45 PM

Beyonce will go down as a reader of her own press. I wonder if she will end up in Whitneyville.

That song is all hook, and the hook sucks.  Charts are gonna bounce that.

Comment #2: Pinko Punko  on  10/30  at  07:58 PM

Damn it, I was going to write a big post about this song, and now you’ve beaten me to it. The line “if you like it, then you should have put a ring on it” is like the perfect storm of materialism, objectification, and misogynistic relationships. It is, however, a perfect soundtrack for my Facebook browsing, seeing as how every single fucking ad that comes up on the sidebar is for weight loss or engagement rings.

Comment #3: Lauren O  on  10/30  at  07:59 PM

I can’t cant see why you’re expecting much the writer of such classics as “Booty-licious”, but I have to say I think its rather catchy.

Comment #4: Laureli  on  10/30  at  08:05 PM

ALL of beyonce’s songs that i have heard are very anti-feminist. the worst offender is that one that’s about catering to the man’s every whim. just stfu, please. she was far from the best singer in DC anyway. ;p at least back with them, they had some ideas about powerful women.

Comment #5: chibi  on  10/30  at  08:05 PM

If you’re a fan of having-fun-is-the-best-revenge songs, check out “I’m Lonely (And I Love It)” by Future Bible Heroes:

I’m as lonely as an emperor upon a golden throne
going off my diet with a double chocolate cone
shouting from the rooftops and through every telephone
all the time I’ve been with you
I wish I’d been alone

because I’m lonely as Mount Everest
and probably as high
it’s time to buy all the records
you would never let me buy
it’s time to try the million things you never let me try
I can almost laugh
at all the times you made me cry
because I’m lonely and I love it

Comment #6: forked tongue  on  10/30  at  08:21 PM

What I don’t understand is what she (the narrator) thinks she’ll accomplish by getting him to “put a ring on it”. Him buying you a ring at least worth three months salary (because the narrator strikes me as a woman who would expect such a cost) and then, from what I will assume is the “real” ring, the wedding band, isn’t going to magically make him treat you any better OR stop him from stepping out on you. You’ll just have a lot more legal hoops and fees to go through once you grow tired of him and is assholish ways.

But then I guess the pay off is the 1)ring and 2)status so maybe she’s cool with that. (that, and also there may be some apparent effort on his part to show affection by buying a fancy bobble instead of, you know, actually treating her better, but Amanda’s pointed that out already).

Comment #7: UltraMagnus  on  10/30  at  08:22 PM

For many years I’ve enjoyed Beyonce’s music simply by listening to it with the assumption that it was being performed by an actual drag queen.  Try it, it works.  This name change only makes it easier.

Comment #8: LauraB  on  10/30  at  08:36 PM

This song is no feminist anthem.

What’s really objectionable about traditional courtship is the idea that the guy has to be the one to ask. The guy only has the power because the woman has to wait for him to make the move. If a feminist wants to get married, she can pop the question herself.

Comment #9: Lindsay Beyerstein  on  10/30  at  08:46 PM

Maybe this is because I’ve been in a lot of relationships with perfectly nice, good, even feminist men who didn’t seem to be able to put 2 and 2 together on the idea that “If you like me, you should be able to show me that and make a certain degree of commitment, and if you can’t, fuck off”, but I kind of see how this could be kinda-sorta not entirely anti-feminist.  Not really feminist per se, but not flat out misogynist either.  Of course I was never looking for “a ring”, and probably would not phrase the idea as an “it” construction, but a “you” or “me” or “us” construction.  That said, I’m not a songwriter, either.

Basically I’m meh, with the caveat that I don’t think it’s anti-feminist to want someone who doesn’t know how to show you that they actually want to be with you.  Especially if you want them in the sense that you are really in the act of moving on after realizing that you’ll never get that.  She’s hardly begging him to take her back, she’s saying “you could’ve had this, but you didn’t want it then, so fuck off!”

Comment #10: The Opoponax  on  10/30  at  08:51 PM

Oh, and I just discovered Future Bible Heroes yesterday and have added them to Bands Whose Album I Totally Need.

Comment #11: The Opoponax  on  10/30  at  08:53 PM

Heh. the best counterpoint would be Iggy Pop’s “I’m a Conservative”.

“I like the crazy girls that I screw
Hey, I know them all well”...

Comment #12: Indy  on  10/30  at  08:55 PM

This is only the second Beyonce track I’ve ever really liked (the other was a leak earlier in the year that didn’t make the album).  I don’t like her at all and rarely is that the case with young, female celebs (or pop artists) but really enjoyed some of Destiny’s Child’s stuff. 

I realised the second I heard this one what the song was about and how anti-feminist it was, and yet I love it as a track.  I rarely if ever can enjoy the art when I hate the artist/values behind it, but in this case I’m OK with it for whatever reason.  Perhaps because it’s so blatant about its message and also because the woman has left the man (even if the ring would have kept her chained to him)?  I don’t know, but personally I certainly find other songs, including the noted works of one Katy Perry, far more irritating.  I’d even go so far as to say ‘most other songs’ since radio play is so rife with misogyny.  Not sure why this one doesn’t bother me.  When ‘I Kissed a Girl’ comes on I spend the entire song loving the hot beat and tune and simultaneously getting extremely angry and ranting about the politics of it.  Don’t do that at all with this one and I’m as anti-marriage as all get out so you’d think it’d rub me the wrong way in particular.

While we’re on the subject, Beyonce and her people are disgusting thieves of other artists’ songs.  She got in major trouble with it on her last CD release (B-Day) and ‘If I Were a Boy’ was a demo stolen from another up and coming artist, BC Jean (her version’s on youtube and the song’s great when not sung by a dying cat).

Comment #13: Hekie  on  10/30  at  08:59 PM

Also, re the linked video, what does Beyonce have against pants?  She never seems to be wearing any.  And I can’t think of any other prominent female celebrities who’ve decided that leotards and pantyhose constitute a complete outfit.

Comment #14: The Opoponax  on  10/30  at  09:01 PM

BTW, just to make clear, I’m just speaking as to my personal reaction to the song.  It’s undoubtedly anti-feminist and I agree with the post, it just hasn’t bothered me for some reason and that’s very rare with anti-feminism showing up in pop culture.

Comment #15: Hekie  on  10/30  at  09:04 PM

Does she write her own material, or does she just perform it? Not that it would excuse much—just wondering.

Comment #16: Incertus, Nacho Daddy  on  10/30  at  09:18 PM

Maybe all he wanted was her finger.

Comment #17: RacyT  on  10/30  at  10:54 PM

No, @Incertus: she famously writes her own material. I know! She won a Grammy for it with Destiny’s Child…

before she pulled the still-beating heart out of the musical Dreamgirls and ruined my entire life.

Comment #18: serena kitt  on  10/30  at  11:19 PM

LOL, Hekie!  Yeah, dying cat.

Big time.

Comment #19: deep6  on  10/30  at  11:41 PM

Will be sick of it in the gay clubs by Sunday.

Comment #20: pablo  on  10/30  at  11:53 PM

I sort of agree with The Opoponax that this isn’t necessarily saying “Take ownership of me with a wedding/engagement ring” as much as “Commit, motherfucker, or I just might not wait for you.”  This piece of musical fluff won’t become any sort of feminist or traditionalist anthem, as its future is likely to be nothing other than a poorly-imagined diamond ad.

Comment #21: jon  on  10/31  at  12:09 AM

Having clicked over to the official vid, I’m now thinking that perhaps “it” refers to her bionic hand, which the ring in question might somehow activate?

Comment #22: paxemilia  on  10/31  at  02:35 AM

A few “scientific” points:
-  Most women want commitment.  (As The Opoponax and jon already said.)
-  Men and women want diff things and usually it’s the woman longing for the ring, or greater commitment (moving in, etc)
-  Beyonce is taunting her ex saying “you should have put a ring on it”.  This doesn’t mean she’s gonna run back to him and let the ring erase bad treatment.
-  Putting a ring on “it” is her finger. Finger = it.  Not too complicated.
-  This is especially meaningful among American minorities where men and fathers tend not to stick around.  Hence the technical term for this phenomena “baby daddy”.  Beyonce just wants commitment, and she knows her listeners, by and large, do to. 
-  As for sex being a bargaining chip…I think women would be hard pressed to find a better bargaining chip. 
-  Sex and relationships isn’t and hasn’t ever been politically correct.

Comment #23: Christina Stroz  on  10/31  at  03:13 AM

Business and political encounters haven’t ever been politically correct.

Comment #24: Matthew  on  10/31  at  03:36 AM

- Putting a ring on “it” is her finger. Finger = it.  Not too complicated.

But the “it” has to refer to her, because of the first part of the sentence. If you like it, then you should have put a ring on it. She’s not saying, “If you like my finger, then you should have put a ring on it.” Unless we have all really missed the point and this song is about an unusual but not particularly shocking sexual fetish for fingers, especially bejeweled ones.

Also your “scientific” points are mainly “stereotypes,” but I’ll let “someone else” respond to “that.”

Comment #25: Lauren O  on  10/31  at  06:28 AM

“As for sex being a bargaining chip…I think women would be hard pressed to find a better bargaining chip. “

That’s a miserable, hateful view of human relationships, besides being utter bullshit.

Comment #26: MissPrism  on  10/31  at  07:45 AM

Hey, I use sex as a bargaining chip all the time.  It’s how I got the deep, deep discount on my new dishwasher.

Speak for yourself MissPrism!

Comment #27: speedbudget  on  10/31  at  08:42 AM

haha!

Comment #28: MissPrism  on  10/31  at  08:58 AM

This is especially meaningful among American minorities where men and fathers tend not to stick around.

Antifeminist and racist?  Whouda thunk?

Well, I hope you get a good price for yourself, dear.  Remember, just lie back and think of England, and try to move with his punches, not against them.

(eyeroll)

Comment #29: Ugly In Pink  on  10/31  at  10:08 AM

Most women want commitment.  (As The Opoponax and jon already said.)
- Men and women want diff things and usually it’s the woman longing for the ring, or greater commitment

Whoa there….  Do Not Ever put words in my mouth.

In no way did I say above that “most women want commitment”.  And I’m not sure that I’d agree with the generalization that “usually it’s the woman longing for… greater commitment”.  Just that I’ve been in situations similar to that described in the song—I’m ready for a certain level of commitment (which is often something as basic as “let’s admit this is a relationship and we’re not fuckbuddies” or “let’s be exclusive “), and the other person (not always male) is not, and yet also can’t really deal with the fact that I’m not going to wait around. 

It’s more a shit or get off the pot thing, in my experience, than an ultimatum for a wedding ring.  And my point above was NOT that Men Are From Mars And Women Are From Venus, but that there’s a reading of the song that is not entirely misogynist.

Comment #30: The Opoponax  on  10/31  at  10:29 AM

And some of us men also like commitment after a relationship gets to a certain point.  When and what that is is up to discussion, but wanting a commitment from someone you are in love with and have known some time isn’t rarer in one sex or the other.  Neither is wanting a little on the side, but that’s another discussion as well.

Comment #31: jon  on  10/31  at  10:46 AM

@Christina:
A better bargaining chip? Seriously? You really think that all you have to bargain with is your genitals? For that matter, why are you “bargaining” at all? I thought relationships were supposed to be based on mutual respect, admiration, affection and compromise? Bargaining implies that THEY have something YOU want, and YOU have to sacrifice to get it.

Comment #32: Lindsay  on  10/31  at  12:00 PM

If you look at Christina’s site, you’ll find posts with titles like, “Feministing can’t handle pro-lifers walking the walk” (which quotes Daddy Dobson), “finallyfeminism101….yet another instance where modern liberal feminism FAILS,” and “Palin responds to the FemiNazis.”

She’s yet another “Don’t hate me, boyz, I’m not like those icky feminists, really!” type who thinks she’s so much speshuler than the rest of us.

Comment #33: Nobody in Particular  on  10/31  at  12:17 PM

I was going to post something similar to your comment here, but my browser had a fail moment.

I know… her comment on Palin’s “morally superior” choice? To quote her, “For serious?”
I lost some of my sanity points for the day just reading a few of her posts.

Comment #34: Lindsay  on  10/31  at  12:24 PM

Sex and relationships isn’t and hasn’t ever been politically correct.

But they have always been required to agree in number with their verbs.

Comment #35: junk science  on  10/31  at  01:07 PM

I immediately thought cock ring was “it.” Oy.

Comment #36: Jennifer  on  10/31  at  01:37 PM

A response:

“But the “it” has to refer to her, because of the first part of the sentence. If you like it, then you should have put a ring on it. She’s not saying, “If you like my finger, then you should have put a ring on it.” Said Lauren O.

“If you liked it” refers to sex & the relationship as a whole.  “If you liked the sex & relationship”  you should have put a ring on it, makes more sense. 

Since ugly in pink accused me of being a racist I would like to point out that it’s not racist if it’s a fact:

Fact: 43.1% of black non Hispanic child living arrangements are in a single mother situation. Compared to 12% of white non Hispanic child living arrangements. Compared to 21.3% of Hispanic child living arrangements.  Link to study below (table 2):
http://www.cbpp.org/6-15-01wel.htm

“For that matter, why are you “bargaining” at all?”

And for the record prostitution is the oldest profession because as much as men love long talks and deep intellectual stimulation they like sex more, hence its effectiveness as a bargaining chip. And I only resort to using sex as a bargaining chip for dishwashers, of course…

And finally in response to Nobody in Particular:  I am not lock step with modern liberal feminism and I never attempted to hide that.  But great research…

Comment #37: Christina Stroz  on  10/31  at  01:42 PM

And for the record prostitution is the oldest profession because as much as men love long talks and deep intellectual stimulation they like sex more, hence its effectiveness as a bargaining chip. And I only resort to using sex as a bargaining chip for dishwashers, of course…

Oldest profession, perhaps. However, that does not make sex as a bargaining chip right, fair, or feminist. Your attempt to decieve us silly feminists with your phrasing is, in short, ridiculous and you can’t seem to really defend your beliefs on why feminism is such a bad thing.

Comment #38: Lindsay  on  10/31  at  02:15 PM

Would you also care to answer my questions?

Comment #39: Lindsay  on  10/31  at  02:20 PM

Since Beyonce isn’t supposed to be pregnant, your little dig at how relevant the song somehow is to “minorities” really has no point - beyond being a dig at minorities.  So yeah.  I could go on with all the other things wrong with your self-righteous assumptions, but let’s leave it there.

..was the second part of that last comment saying you’re a prostitute?  Wow.  Also, the tone of your comments seems to indicate that you think men like sex much more than women. Presumably, you’re extrapolating from your own experience.  Does this mean you don’t like sex, or don’t like sex with men?

Comment #40: Ugly In Pink  on  10/31  at  02:29 PM

Because in my experience, men and women like sex about the same amount, with slight variations from person to person.

But then, of course, i’m ugly, and have had to have sex for mutual pleasure instead of buying dishwashers with my vagina.

Comment #41: Ugly In Pink  on  10/31  at  02:32 PM

@Ugly in Pink:
It’s only the Vagilluminati that know how to use their lady parts for deals in Sears and getting their men to let them have the car on Saturday night. But they leave their pussies at home.

Comment #42: Lindsay  on  10/31  at  02:37 PM

Can I just say how awesome it is that Sears is planning to accept vagina as a a method of payment as of this Holiday shopping season?  Because the whole “pussy—> man—> wedding—> money—> kitchen renovation” economic structure was getting kind of tedious.

Comment #43: The Opoponax  on  10/31  at  02:38 PM

Well, I’m off down the pub, and THIS time I won’t try to pay cash like the fool I was.

Comment #44: MissPrism  on  10/31  at  02:41 PM

Well, I have been asked to use half a labia as a down payment on a fridge once, but it’s hard to put that on a credit card.

Comment #45: Ugly In Pink  on  10/31  at  02:41 PM

Or it could be that when she said “dishwasher” she meant the guy working in the kitchen of her local restaurant.

Comment #46: Ugly In Pink  on  10/31  at  02:44 PM

The last time I was looking at a new car, the guy who was selling it, a real sleaze-bag, was all “no pussy-down, with an finance APR of 6.5% of your clitoris.” Labia are one thing, but I’m NOT trading my clitoris for a fucking Mazda. A Lexus, maybe. But a Mazda? Fuck you.

Comment #47: Lindsay  on  10/31  at  02:47 PM

Actually, it was a “new-used” car, so I guess I should have given the guy my crotch as payment, considering it’s new to him, but used to me. After all, like with like, and feminism is dead, so who needs vaginal fortitude? Right Christina?

Comment #48: Lindsay  on  10/31  at  02:53 PM

Beyonce just wants commitment, and she knows her listeners, by and large, do to.

Most people who listen to Beyonce are at a bar or club, getting sauced and grinding on a dance floor.

I know when I was single (getting sauced and grinding on dance floors) the main thing on my mind was commitment.

[/snark]

- As for sex being a bargaining chip…I think women would be hard pressed to find a better bargaining chip.

Actually, I’d recommend blow jobs instead.

[/snark, the sequel]

Comment #49: deep6  on  10/31  at  02:55 PM

Finance question:  I’m looking to open a Roth IRA—now if I put both fallopian tubes in now, will I be allowed to withdraw that when I need them to have a child, or should I budget for in vitro now?  And what will that mean for my interest rate?

This is one of the more hilarious troll flamings I’ve seen in a while, btw.

Comment #50: The Opoponax  on  10/31  at  02:59 PM

I for one think it’s a good thing that Ted Sturgeon stories are being reinterpreted by modern artists.

Comment #51: Bob Smith  on  10/31  at  03:02 PM

This is one of the more hilarious troll flamings I’ve seen in a while, btw.

I’ll be really disappointed if she doesn’t come back.

As she ages, the worth of her vagina on the open market will decline, and instead of dishwashers, she’ll have to start haggling for scrubbies.

Comment #52: Ugly In Pink  on  10/31  at  03:07 PM

@Opop: you can have cookies no matter what you do. Delicious cookies baked by the oven that I bought with my left breast. It’s a Kenmore. What can I say? I have nice boobs.

Comment #53: Lindsay  on  10/31  at  03:13 PM

Dang.  I have to cook on a dented hot plate.  I should never have turned down that vaginal rejuvenation surgery!

Comment #54: Ugly In Pink  on  10/31  at  03:15 PM

See what happens when you put yourself first instead of the desires of every man around you, Ugly?

Comment #55: Lindsay  on  10/31  at  03:16 PM

In all seriousness, when you get that deep into patriarchy, it’s hard to know what you really want anymore, and to disentangle what really makes you happy from what makes your friends jealous.  I bet if she really thought about what she was “bargaining” for with her ladyparts, she wouldn’t (kitchen appliance jokes aside), at the end of the day, know what it was.  And that’s very sad.

Comment #56: Ugly In Pink  on  10/31  at  03:36 PM

I agree.

Comment #57: Lindsay  on  10/31  at  03:54 PM

Just that I’ve been in situations similar to that described in the song—I’m ready for a certain level of commitment (which is often something as basic as “let’s admit this is a relationship and we’re not fuckbuddies” or “let’s be exclusive “), and the other person (not always male) is not, and yet also can’t really deal with the fact that I’m not going to wait around.

Yup.  And I think it’s more often the male partner who is pulling that shit, because it’s a power trip, and men are taught to understand that being in a real relationship with a woman is unstudly and somehow a bit feminizing, while women are taught to understand that being in a relationship with a man is a kind of prize or proof of one’s worth (and these things are related; if it’s a sacrifice for him, he must really like you, blah blah blah). 

The ring part is unfortunate, but the “you couldn’t commit so fuck you I’m leaving” part, I’m all right with. 

As she ages, the worth of her vagina on the open market will decline, and instead of dishwashers, she’ll have to start haggling for scrubbies.

WIN.

Comment #58: killjoy  on  10/31  at  04:42 PM

So you people aren’t bartering your actual girl parts, but renting out the use of them, right? Because I just realized I probably shouldn’t have hacked off half a nipple to buy this coffee.

Comment #59: junk science  on  10/31  at  05:09 PM

Junk, it’s a rent-to-own program on my end.  What can I say?  My gotch is awesome like that.

Comment #60: speedbudget  on  10/31  at  05:44 PM

This is now my favorite thread on the int0r wabs. Thank you all for brightening my day.

Comment #61: Lauren O  on  10/31  at  11:50 PM

“Actually, I’d recommend blow jobs instead.” – deepsix

Deep six may be on to something…

Ladies, I would love to take credit for the dishwasher joke, but I must give credit for a good joke where it’s due: thanks speedbudget.  And I’d love to get further into this discussion now but alas I must work & sleep between posting.  Don’t worry Lindsey I’ll eventually respond to your questions.  Until then, thank you ladies for showing me all that feminism offers.  You guys have a good sense of humor, something I wasn’t expecting.
xoxoxo

Comment #62: Christina Stroz  on  11/01  at  12:02 AM

I don’t know why you guys are still bartering body parts for appliances—using chickens as currency is the new hotness.  Not to mention it sidesteps the whole “lay-away” issue.

Comment #63: preying mantis  on  11/01  at  01:31 AM

“you forgot my favorite “bitch” by merideth brooks, who rocked out looking like a soccer mom in a slip dress in the video.”

???

You must have lived in a VERY interesting neighbourhood for that get-up to be considered soccer mom fashion.  Most of the soccer moms I know would be better put together after a two week bender.

Comment #64: hypatia  on  11/02  at  03:45 AM
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