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If it’s a tribe, how come you can’t be born into it?

ChoadsElitism

I was slobberingly grateful yesterday that Jesse wrote about Ross Douthat’s latest ode to the oh-so-sexy (because you think they’re too scatterbrained to use contraception) red state ladies and their leader Sarah Palin, but alas, after reading Matt’s rejoinder, I’m forced to jump into the game.  Matt singles out this quote from Ross’s attempt to play the Palin-the-victim card.

Palin’s popularity has as much to do with class as it does with ideology. In this sense, she really is the perfect foil for Barack Obama. Our president represents the meritocratic ideal — that anyone, from any background, can grow up to attend Columbia and Harvard Law School and become a great American success story. But Sarah Palin represents the democratic ideal — that anyone can grow up to be a great success story without graduating from Columbia and Harvard.

As yes.  As much as people like to compare her to the Shrub, in actuality, Palin is Richard Nixon reborn.  Her strategy of playing the poor, put-upon victim—-just like you, white people, who are sick of hippies and black people that want to share your lunch counter!—-is right out of the Richard Nixon “Southern Strategy” handbook.  Matt’s answer is funny:

I think the implicit idea here that the real class struggle in the United States is between graduates of fancy colleges and graduates of less-fancy colleges is pretty blinkered.

You say “blinkered”, I say “intellectually dishonest”.  Douthat is playing the same tired game that Ivy League-educated East Coast conservative commentators have been playing for a long time—-praising the white middle class that viciously and racistly dominates the red states like they’re the only truly oppressed people in the country, oppressed because of their pureness, goodness, and ability to have rowdy sex without protection, the only kind that really gets you off.  We’re treated to pity-the-rednecks-and-wannabe-rednecks essays about how snooty liberal elite sneer at hunting and fishing, at religious beliefs that are built strictly around wishful thinking that would make your average kindergartner blush, at big hair, at over-the-top patriarchal fantasizing about zygote life, and now at state schools.  Well, all that and we get to hear about how the willfully fucking stupid are morally purer than the rest of us. 

But the implication is clear—-the red states are the salt of the earth, and the goodness and light of the dominant class shows why the liberal elite are bad people.  They hate Sarah Palin not because she’s a nasty person with nasty beliefs and a nasty ideology.  No, it’s because she’s a shiny female specimen with good hair, because she has 5 kids and acts like pregnancy was a big shock (instead of what happens when you do it without using contraception), because she went to State U., and because she’s a gleeful redneck.  Because liberal elitists have this irrational hatred of this specific tribe of white people, a hatred that has nothing to do with political differences and everything to do with an irrational hatred of pick-up trucks, country western music, and the word “y’all”. 


The thick layer of bullshit on this narrative is never lost on me, because the more that pundits like Douthat dwell on incidental regional cultural differences, the more acutely aware I am that my relationship to those cultural markers will never actually mean that the Douthats of the world will put me in the salt-of-the-earth category with people like the Palins.  Which means that Douthat & Co. are full of shit. Hey, I can turn on the shiny female specimen act if I have to—-broaden the grin, thicken the accent, send of signals of total harmlessness to get past the radars of angsty rednecks who are always alert to a woman who’s acting out of line.  Sure, Palin lives the act, and I mostly use it to minimize hostility when pulled over by state troopers, but I know what she’s doing.  I wear cowboy boots, have owned pick-up trucks, eaten and helped prepare food shot by family members, drink cheap beer while standing barefoot in the yard, say “y’all”, and even have a weakness for some country music.  I’ve danced in honky tonks and took a shot straight out of a bottle of Jack while standing in front of a rednecky small town bar that has a bonfire in the parking lot during the winter.  I know how to two-step, and can probably sing every word to “The Chair”.  I’ve shot beer cans off fences, slept on trampolines, and I’ve had friends that don’t have indoor flushable toilets.  I use the phrase “pepper belly” without a trace of irony.  I was born in Texas, and have lived my whole life in Texas, and the two months I spent in small town Virginia drove me nuts in no small part because I thought most people put on too many airs.  I went to a small university and not only that, am with someone who is such a big fan of the local state university that I painted our office burnt orange to make him happy.  I’ve known actual cowboys.  Not just people who dress like cowboys, but men (and a few women) who make a living working cattle ranches.  Despite possessing all the stated markers for being a member of the salt-of-the-earth tribe, I doubt Douthat would consider me a member like he does Sarah Palin, even though I think I beat her on many counts, including the fact that neither my parents nor some of my exes even have college degrees.*

In other words, I was born into the tribe that he’s exalting, but for some reason I don’t belong.  Funny tribe that is that you can be born into it, still carry a lot of its cultural markers, and not be in it, even though you have the cultural markers that supposedly mean you’re a member.

The reason is obvious, if politely unstated: I’m not in because I’m not a believer in sexism, racism, or American imperialism.  I don’t believe white people are better than everyone else, I don’t think that it’s such a great idea to force women to bear children against their will, and I don’t rally round the flag when some politician starts coming up with excuses to invade another country to steal their resources and/or start a libertarian experiment.  I don’t bitch about Mexican immigrants, think that Title IX is an act against the god of football, or go on self-pitying trips about how affirmative action is out of control because I saw a black person holding a professional job.  I don’t make cracks about woman drivers or black athletes.  And I didn’t vote for Bush. 

These are the differences that punt you surely from the salt-of-the-earth category to the liberal elite category.  True, being officially transitioned has been incredibly freeing, and I’m allowed to indulge pleasures that are seen as suspect if you want to remain a member in good standing of the asshole tribe, pleasures like getting to listen to whatever music you like and getting to eat whatever you want, and not always be on the lookout for liberal contamination in my entertainment.  Being able to watch sitcoms like “30 Rock” without my back up is an indulgence my conservative brethren don’t get to have for themselves.**  And above all, not always making sure that any and everything is cleared of homosexual influence before enjoying it.  The best part of being in the liberal elite is that contrary to the claims of concern troll pundits like Douthat, I’m not mistreated for wearing cowboy boots, saying “y’all”, or otherwise hanging onto innocuous cultural elements of Texana.  In general, the shit I get comes all from one direction, and it’s not the liberal elite tribe giving it.

And that’s what’s so fucking stupid about the “woe is Palin” narrative.  She’s not a hapless victim of classist liberal contempt for people who like rural vistas and state schools.  People don’t like her because she’s an asshole, through and through, and her political ideology is just one manifestation of that.  They don’t hate her for having 5 kids; they hate her for parading that around like she’s the martyr of fertility, to making pandering appeals based on her own family to people who would deny other women their basic rights.  They don’t hate her because she’s a woman, but they do hate her because she makes unsubtle appeals to vote for her because she flirted with you during the VP debates. 

*Okay, we don’t have the Bible-thumping streak (THANK GOD), though it has started to creep in around the edges of my family, with mysterious things like dinner prayers being demanded at some gatherings and chastity rings popping up here and there.
**It’s not that “30 Rock” has especially liberal or illiberal politics.  Just the entrance requirements to watch it—-accepting that two of the three stars are either a single woman in a leadership position or a black guy who is pretty much always fucking with you—-are unnerving.

 

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Posted by Amanda Marcotte on 12:51 PM • (94) Comments

At least Nixon’s class resentments were genuine.  He worked his way up from pretty much nothing, and was a vastly important figure in restoring the GOP to power and influence.  In return much of the GOP elite from the late 40s to Eisenhower* and after that treated him as if he was the septic tank emptier who wandered into drawing room.  Their disdain for him seemed to increase in proportion for how much they owed him.  The seething, bitter, bitter, bitter, vengeful man who moved into the Presidency was created in large measure by his own party.  Nixon’s play to the lower half of the party (if we can call it that) was a genuine class response to class bias practiced against him: he tailored his appeal to people who actually worked for a living and against those who looked down their noses at those who weren’t born on third assured of their own superiority.

* - It got to the point where one of Ike’s famously loyal staffers actually exploded at the President regarding his treatment of Nixon: <i>Goddamit, Ike, what does a man have to do to get some gratitude from you????????<i>

Comment #1: seeker6079  on  07/07  at  01:00 PM

I’d bet that said idiots would have a problem with UMass or several SUNY schools, despite their state-school-and-thus-ok status.  Which just goes to prove your point even more. 

And even I’ve eaten food shot be a family member or acquaintance, and I grew up on Long fucking Island.  And, here is Western Mass, I can see the nearest tilled field from my back porch. 

Morons.

Comment #2: rowmyboat  on  07/07  at  01:01 PM

Palin looks like a rich spoiled brat from my perspective - two substantial incomes in the household, both parents had college educations, she somehow managed to go to college for over six years ... sounds pretty extravagant from my perspecitve!  I guess you don’t get mommy and daddy helping you get six years to complete a four year governor term, eh?

My parents were very smart people, but they didn’t get college educations for financial reasons.  Many of the parents of people I grew up with in the trailer courts didn’t finish high school.  Palin is not working class REPEAT Palin is NOT working class.  Teachers only lived in trailer courts while they were building their large houses before they had kids.

Comment #3: Ms Kate  on  07/07  at  01:04 PM

Yes, yes, and yes.  I’m too WASPy by temperament to have ever fit in back in Mississippi, but it wouldn’t matter because I’m officially apostate now.  Never liked it, don’t miss it, but it’s not like I automatically enjoy the benefits of ‘elitism,’ because y’know, I’m not actually elite by birth, education, income, or connections.

Comment #4: latts  on  07/07  at  01:12 PM

Part of the problem, I suspect, is that to a certain type of person (Ross Douthat and George W. Bush are obvious examples), going to college is a class marker, and nothing more.

To guys like this (and it does seem to be mostly men who think this way), you go to Harvard or Yal not to learn anything, but to make connections and be able to describe yourself forever after as a Harvard man or a Yalie. If you think this way, then the mockery of Palin’s dubious trek through higher education strikes you as class mockery, instead of the hit on her intelligence that the rest of us see.

It’s a bizarrely old-fashioned view of higher education (it’s common in 1930s films), but it seems to live on among some folks.

Comment #5: Llelldorin  on  07/07  at  01:15 PM

As the descendant of Midwestern Rednecks, I get tired of the co-opting the Republican party does.  Although I do freely admit to catching shit from other liberals who don’t realize that not all po’ white trash grows up to be Republican. 

I still don’t get how someone whose family bought their college career with endowments, W, cough, cough,  gets to call themselves a “good ol’ boy.”  I never have.  I’ve always found it funny that W could co-opt those markers of the redneck culture without really being from it, while you or I who have those same markers from our actual upbringing get called dirty elitists because we happen to think women are people and racism’s stupid.

Comment #6: GeekGirlsRule  on  07/07  at  01:15 PM

As Jesse says:

Not because you’re a “person of faith”, but because you’re a “person of stupid”

What makes Sarah Palin repulsive to anyone with a brain is her lack of preparation for the job she wants to get, and her lack of willingness to improve herself enough that she does it well.

Ross Douchehat is right, Sarah’s fall shows the death of a dream:  that an uneducated person who is unwilling to put any effort to get better is not going to get to be president or amount to anything. Well if this “dream” dies, good riddance! We have all suffered through the last 8 years, thanks to this stupid dream. We can not have yet another president that send people to war without reading 99 pages about the case for war, and acts on the flatulence of his / her innards and calls it “strategy”.

Comment #7: lostmypassword  on  07/07  at  01:16 PM

I love how conservative elites like Douthat and Brooks hold up Palin as some kind of exemplar of Real America when they themselves went to Ivy league schools, live in a big east-coast city, and probably would be appalled (not to mention completely helpless) if you took them deer-hunting.

Comment #8: Norsecats  on  07/07  at  01:16 PM

Not even a little teasing from liberal friends when you put on the redneck act?

Comment #9: James  on  07/07  at  01:17 PM

Okay, trying to picture Douthat hunting.  THAT’S funny!

Comment #10: seeker6079  on  07/07  at  01:22 PM

Faux-folksy is a long-standing tradition among Conservative-type elites.  The persistent mythology/ideology that the “simple” folk are more pure of spirit and intent is a theme which goes through the fake shepherds of the court of the French Kings, the “Going to the People” movement among the mid-Nineteenth Century Russian intellectuals, Mussolini’s frequent photo-ops of him pitching in to harvest grain along with the peasants, and the persistent American stereotype of the strong, silent cowboyesque figure who speaks only to utter pearls of gritty life-experience-earned wisdom. 

Along with that is a continuing self-understanding amongst those elites that they are simultaneously jealous of the “certainty” of the “simple folk” - their “uncomplicated” morality without the doubts which infect the more “world-weary and cosmopolitan” as well as cynically manipulating the lower classes for their own benefit.

I view Palin as an example of the cynical school.  Certainly she believes a lot of the stuff she says, but I can’t help shaking a feeling that she has a bitter taste of contempt for the rubes she is hoodwinking at the back of her throat.  She may not be the brightest bulb in the box…but I also got that semi-smirking feeling from “W” as well.  I’d say Dick Cheney is the Grand Master Black Belt of the cynical manipulation school.

Sometimes I feel a modicum of unease for many of the people who are the target audience for this stuff…I don’t think that many of them understand how disconnected they are from those elites who exult the “lower class” lifestyle as the ideal and yet feel no compunction in using members of that class for their own political benefit.

Comment #11: tannenburg  on  07/07  at  01:22 PM

Fabulous article Amanda…you are one of my favorite bloggers…thanks so much for your ability to sniff out bullshit for the fecal matter it is, instead of passively eating the shit sandwiches handed out by politicians like most of the media…

You are one of the reasons I can still hold on to my sanity in spite of the madness that is America these days!

Comment #12: wagonjak  on  07/07  at  01:24 PM

tannenburg:
I was always baffled by that ability of Bush.  Viewed from the outside his jes-folks demeanour was transparently false and condescending.  What raised my bafflement to astonishment levels was his use of nicknames for reporters.  They ate it up, thinking it a habit of respect and intimacy.  They were oblivious to the fact that it was a gesture of contempt: your name is unimportant, the nicknames said, your very identity is unimportant, and can never be important compared to who I am.  Your name is what I say it is.

Comment #13: seeker6079  on  07/07  at  01:27 PM

Palin looks like a rich spoiled brat from my perspective - two substantial incomes in the household, both parents had college educations, she somehow managed to go to college for over six years ... sounds pretty extravagant from my perspecitve!  I guess you don’t get mommy and daddy helping you get six years to complete a four year governor term, eh?

Ms. Kate,

You nailed it.  If my working/lower-middle class high school classmates and I attempted to take longer than 4 years, our parents would have said “Unless find a way to completely pay for the extra time yourself through a job or some scholarship, you’d better finish in 4 years or else you’re on your own.” 

Also, seen several college classmates and working professionals warning high school and college students contemplating transferring schools to avoid doing so more than once.  If you transfer once, there is an understanding among most employers and grad admissions committees that a young high school/ or first/second year undergrad student may not have realized that campus may not be right for them for various reasons and that mistakes will be made. 

However, unless one has an extremely compelling reason to do so, transferring two or more times is often seen as a sign the college student concerned is unable to learn from the causes of his/her first transfer experience, is aimlessly wandering through higher ed, and/or has been forced out of the previous institution for academic and/or disciplinary reasons….especially if the previous institution is perceived to be more prestigious and academically rigorous than the one said student ended up transferring to.

Comment #14: exholt  on  07/07  at  01:27 PM

Most rednecks that I have known in my life have worked very hard and pushed their kids to do well in school so that they can go to college - even community college or a state-run technical school.  They do this so that their kids could have a better life.  People who poo-poohed college for their kids were viewed as selfish and unrealistic and totally stupid.

These prattling idiots know absolutely nothing of life on the low end - the class divisions are just all stereotypes to them.

Comment #15: Ms Kate  on  07/07  at  01:27 PM

“Along with that is a continuing self-understanding amongst those elites that they are simultaneously jealous of the “certainty” of the “simple folk” - their “uncomplicated” morality without the doubts which infect the more “world-weary and cosmopolitan” as well as cynically manipulating the lower classes for their own benefit.”

They also know, whether they’d admit it or not, that not a one of them would give up living in the big (blue) city amongst the elite they decry (while simultaneously being members of that elite) to live the lives of Real Americans In The American Heartland.

The vitriol from people like me isn’t so much at those manipulating hypocrites (all though there is plenty of that), as it is an expression of exasperation that the proles too easily fall for the manipulation.

I live in small town America, among people who for the most part are decent and thoughtful and honest, but many of those people have a mental block of some sort that prevents them from seeing that they are like chickens who seek to escape what they believe is a fox in the henhouse by running into the tender clutches of a very real wolf.

It’s extremely frustrating…

Comment #16: MikeEss  on  07/07  at  01:37 PM

Being the only liberal in my family was always tough. It’s gotten easier since I moved away. Although I still say things that get me in trouble when I go back to visit (i.e. “eat shit you fucking redneck” - I’ve been trying to come up w/a nicer way to say that - maybe “I’ll pray for you”?).

The funny thing is, even after living in California for 20 years now, I still can’t stop saying “y’all” and I seem to always be “fixin’” to do something.

Comment #17: Mark  on  07/07  at  01:37 PM

Part of the problem, I suspect, is that to a certain type of person (Ross Douthat and George W. Bush are obvious examples), going to college is a class marker, and nothing more.

To guys like this (and it does seem to be mostly men who think this way), you go to Harvard or Yal not to learn anything, but to make connections and be able to describe yourself forever after as a Harvard man or a Yalie. If you think this way, then the mockery of Palin’s dubious trek through higher education strikes you as class mockery, instead of the hit on her intelligence that the rest of us see.

One uncle who was two years behind W at Yale mentioned how this mentality was already fading out when he started there in the mid-1960’s as W’s graduating class was probably the last whose members were mostly admitted almost wholly basis of socio-economic status and not really on their academic merits.  One factor in the gap between my uncle’s class and W’s was the fact his class was one of the first to be admitted mostly on academic merit and had a far more diversified socio-economic profile than W’s.

Comment #18: exholt  on  07/07  at  01:39 PM

Thanks for nailing my experiences with certain new relatives of mine. One won’t even watch Seinfeld because of the “Not that there’s anything wrong with that” episode. How they can stomach their stifling, stultifying lives is beyond my comprehension.

I used to hope the day would come when the folks out in “real America” (as Palin called it) would finally realize that they’re being made into chumps and start voting their own economic self interests. But I am now the one who has to finally admit something thanks to their tea parties—racism trumps everything. Even their own economic self-interests so they will always idolize demagogues like Palin for the hateful garbage that she espouses.

Comment #19: DC Fem  on  07/07  at  01:45 PM

The funny thing is, even after living in California for 20 years now, I still can’t stop saying “y’all” and I seem to always be “fixin’” to do something.

Give it up, Mark.  I lived in Texas for only a brief period, and spent a fair amount of time there on family visits.  I STILL can’t get rid of “y’all” and I was born in Toronto and live in Southwestern Ontario, for god’s sake.

Comment #20: seeker6079  on  07/07  at  01:48 PM

Most rednecks that I have known in my life have worked very hard and pushed their kids to do well in school so that they can go to college - even community college or a state-run technical school.  They do this so that their kids could have a better life.  People who poo-poohed college for their kids were viewed as selfish and unrealistic and totally stupid.

These prattling idiots know absolutely nothing of life on the low end - the class divisions are just all stereotypes to them.

Ms Kate,

What’s more funny is that most parents or adolescents/young adults who show indifference or disinterest in attending college in the way you’re describing tended IME to be middle-upper-class. 

Heck, with the exception of those who drop out of college for economic or medical reasons, the vast majority of college dropouts/flunkouts IME tended to come from upper/upper-middle class families precisely because they are reasonably confident their family’s socio-economic status and connections would cushion/negate the effects of any negative consequences…..along with being too cocky about the supposed “excellent quality” of their private/wealthy suburban public school’s academics.

Comment #21: exholt  on  07/07  at  01:53 PM

Okay, trying to picture Douthat hunting.  THAT’S funny!

But for Discoball’s sake someone make sure that he doesn’t actually have any bullets on him.  He strikes me as the kind of fool who would blast at any rustling of the underbrush.

Comment #22: damnedyankee  on  07/07  at  01:55 PM

Amanda, this is really one of your best posts ever.

You’ve articulated something that has been in the back of my head for years. When we lived in small-town VA for three years and a week, we kept encountering the VA versions of redneck cultural practices, and people could just not let it go that we didn’t [hunt, fish, ride horses, drive the biggest car possible, go to church, own a TV, smoke cigarettes, etc.] and that therefore we must be looking down on them because they did. Which wasn’t true, except for the goddam cigarettes.

No matter how many times we patiently explained that we didn’t do those things because both of us had grown up in posh suburbia where we learned a different set of practices to fit in with our own tribes, and that just because we didn’t do what they did didn’t mean we looked down on it—our parents are Republicans and we went to great effort to escape country club life—they refused to believe a) that these differences in cultural practices weren’t “really” a liberal/conservative split, and b) that where we looked down on them had nothing to do with what kind of music they liked and everything to do with their unwavering support for George W. Bush and everything he stood for.

There were a lot of times where this was like beating our heads against a wall, and you have articulated exactly the point that a lot of people need to hear. Thanks.

Comment #23: felagund  on  07/07  at  02:01 PM

English *needs* y’all.

Comment #24: shah8  on  07/07  at  02:13 PM

Sarah Palin says she’s not a quitter, she’s a fighter, but adds that, politically speaking, “if I die, I die. So be it.”

She isn’t exactly being subtle on hitting that matyr note is she?

Conservatives don’t just like to play to Jesus, they like to straight up play Jesus.  You’ve hit the nail on the head, the actual attributes of the tribe have nothing to do with her membership, its all about the usefulness of having another conservative matyr to cast liberals (in this case, teh media) as Romans.

I think the other interesting angle on this is the de-legitimizing of other voices speaking for the actual red-staters.  Just like fringe conservative theocrats have dominated the public side of religion in the US, so too have hard core convervatives dominated the public face of red-staters.  As if the part of the population that votes Dem or third party just doesn’t exist.

Comment #25: dan_ffto  on  07/07  at  02:17 PM

The Eastern Elite can indeed be condescending.  But they are condescending not just to redneck America but anyone not an east-coaster.  Liberal or conservative, doesn’t matter.  Mostly it’s ignorance of the way the rest of the world lives.  Who was it that said, “living outside of New York is camping out.” 

Having said that, a great many of our best minds do come from the best schools.  Shouldn’t be too surprising.

Palin is a poor representative of “real America.”  That’s because she’s, well, an idiot.  No amount of handling is going to make her anything but an idiot.  All the ambition in the world will not raise her IQ.  We, out here to the west of the 100th parallel, are not idiots because of our geographic position and we, for the most part, do not want to be represented by an idiot.

Comment #26: Magis  on  07/07  at  02:17 PM

What raised my bafflement to astonishment levels was his use of nicknames for reporters.  They ate it up, thinking it a habit of respect and intimacy. 

I never thought it was that—the DC press corps (really, the entire DC establishment) likes alphas who act like alphas, and Bush was basically using nicknames to assert dominance in his frat-boy way.  IMO that’s why they tend to favor Republicans; secure hierarchies with those who enjoy readily, even casually, wielding power at the top is the most comfortable type of power structure for them.

Comment #27: latts  on  07/07  at  02:20 PM

(I hit the button too soon- sorry) Conversely, Democrats usually want to share power and/or tend to seem uncertain of how to handle power when they manage to win it, and that just confuses those lower in the pack.  It makes them restive and uncertain of their own places, and more likely to snap at the Dems for no reason other than the fact that they can.

Why yes, I do think dogs’ pack mentality is a pretty decent analogy for inside-the-Beltway types.

Comment #28: latts  on  07/07  at  02:24 PM

therefore we must be looking down on them because they did.

It’s insecurity, and—worse yet, in the American republic, ca. 2009—a peasant’s insecurity. Which is exactly the mentality the Douthat, Brooks, Kristol, Limbaugh, and the rest of these scumbags like to see in the citizenry.

Great piece, Amanda.

Comment #29: Gracchus.  on  07/07  at  02:28 PM

Not even a little teasing from liberal friends when you put on the redneck act?

Well, I don’t “put on” a redneck act.  When I’m caught showing my roots, as it were, I am occasionally teased.  But it’s not mistreatment.  It’s not the uptight weirdness disguised as teasing that you get from the other side of the equation.  There’s a world of difference between a good-hearted laugh when you’re caught opening a beer bottle with the ankle of your jeans, and the weird comments you get from conservative people who don’t really think that you don’t think racism is cool.

Comment #30: Amanda Marcotte  on  07/07  at  03:01 PM

The Eastern Elite can indeed be condescending.  But they are condescending not just to redneck America but anyone not an east-coaster.

Correction: can be condescending to anyone who is not a member of the “Eastern Elite.”  Do you really think that being from Worcester, Fitchburg, or Gloucester spares one the condescension?  Nah, it’s just another stupid tribal thing

BTW, the Texas and Southern Elite are just as bad if not worse.  And you can bet the Atlanta elite and the Boston elite both thumb their noses at the crackers and Southies with equal disdain.

Comment #31: Richard Goblin  on  07/07  at  03:03 PM

What raised my bafflement to astonishment levels was his use of nicknames for reporters. They ate it up, thinking it a habit of respect and intimacy.

He’d also play fratboy one-upsmanship games with the reporters who saw that nickname BS for what it really was, flexing the power of his office.

Just as the common motivating thread for Know-Nothings is insecurity, the common motivating thread between the conservative establishment con-men who exploit them is a grotesque sense of entitlement: simply for being born wealthy or good-looking or to a prominent family or even smart. And like any smart confidence trickster, they win over their marks by engendering an even more bogus sense of entitlement (based on race or religion or being “salt of the earth”) in them.

Comment #32: Gracchus.  on  07/07  at  03:07 PM

I face this mental disconnect with every conversation I have with my father which wanders into the realm of politics.  The man cannot - CANNOT - intellectualize his elite-ness.  As a point of fact, one year he groused to me about how unfair taxes were to the “middle class,” citing as a point of fact his tax bill for that year which (due to cashing out a partnership in his medical practice) exceeded my gross annual income.  That, of course, astonished me in its blinkered focus - he knows how much I make a year, and therefore he should not have expected sympathy at having a large enough income that his tax bill alone dwarfed my entire net worth.

And yet the man insists he’s middle class.  He affects - and I use that word deliberately - to wear cowboy boots and drives a pickup.  He talks about the Liberals talking down to the “ordinary working man.”  At one point he owned two houses, one of them a luxury vacation house, and six cars - and yet still could think of himself as “middle class.”

Needless to say, any venture into mutual discussion of politics soon becomes a mutual effort to change the subject.  He just cannot understand that a Cardiologist with a net worth in the upper hundreds of thousands and an income topping 400K a year is truly in the upper stratosphere of this country’s elites.

Comment #33: tannenburg  on  07/07  at  03:12 PM

I’m voting for Amanda as the blogger I would most like to have a beer with.  Should anyone ever ask.

Sarah Palin says she’s not a quitter…

I might find that the beginning of an interesting argument if she hadn’t just, y’know, quit.

Comment #34: damnedyankee  on  07/07  at  03:13 PM

I have nothing against people liking their roots and enjoying fishing, eating grits or other cultural things. What really turns me off is this mentality that ignorance is good and knowledge / effort is “elitist”.

As Feministe says

What rubs me the wrong way is the idea that Palin’s “great success story” was at all democratic, or represents a democratic ideal. In truth, it represents an ugly truth in the same way as GWB’s rise — it’s the idea that a class of people, no matter how foolish or lazy, deserves access to power simply by virtue of being born a particular color and in a particular social class. “Anyone” cannot grow up to have a success story like Palin’s. While that’s certainly a comforting thought to the traditional right-wing base (read: disgruntled white people who are unnerved by the fact that others are getting a piece of the American pie), it’s not something that sits so well with the rest of us.

Comment #35: lostmypassword  on  07/07  at  03:13 PM

BTW, the Texas and Southern Elite are just as bad if not worse.  And you can bet the Atlanta elite and the Boston elite both thumb their noses at the crackers and Southies with equal disdain.

Exactly. It’s about social class, not geography or even wealth. But we’re not supposed to talk about social class in America—and if we do, per tannenburg, we’re all supposed to claim to be middle class.

Comment #36: Gracchus.  on  07/07  at  03:19 PM

Does anyone know why Mika Brzezinski, a self-proclaimed “liberal”, was on her show, Morning Schmo, yesterday blathering on about how “real Americans” like Palin?  WTF does that mean?  What am I?

Has anyone ever seen a bigger dilldock than Mika?  It’s almost as if she enjoys slavishly licking con ass on television.  Every time I have the misfortune of being subjected to Mika, I am reminded of what a frigging sexist her father must have been.  First of all,t he big “joke” on Morning Schmo is that Mika, a grown woman with children of her own, shakes in her shoes when her father is a guest on the show. Schmo himself loves to go on about this in between his own brutalizing and bullying of Mika which she eats up and begs for more of.  She actually once pronounced that she is subservient to her husband, and when women wrote in saying she was setting feminism back 50 years, she gave her mommy sigh and said “i don’t see it.”

She was raised in a family that is in the American elite with full access to our best educational venues.  She’s a fucking moron.

To me that says her father has no respect for women.  A wealthy, elite man like that does not raise a moron for a daugther unless he believes women are morons.

Okay, I had to get that out!  Sorry.

Comment #37: Lady Vader  on  07/07  at  03:19 PM

Of course, my rednecky behavior only stands out a little since I do, after all, live in fucking Texas.

Comment #38: Amanda Marcotte  on  07/07  at  03:23 PM

Thanks for nailing my experiences with certain new relatives of mine. One won’t even watch Seinfeld because of the “Not that there’s anything wrong with that” episode. How they can stomach their stifling, stultifying lives is beyond my comprehension.

I used to hope the day would come when the folks out in “real America” (as Palin called it) would finally realize that they’re being made into chumps and start voting their own economic self interests. But I am now the one who has to finally admit something thanks to their tea parties—racism trumps everything. Even their own economic self-interests so they will always idolize demagogues like Palin for the hateful garbage that she espouses.

Yes.  Your typical wingnut would be okay with living in a cardboard box under a bridge, so long as his box is slightly bigger than the boxes that the blacks or the homos get.

Comment #39: DonnaDiva  on  07/07  at  03:28 PM

“Your typical wingnut would be okay with living in a cardboard box under a bridge, so long as his box is slightly bigger than the boxes that the blacks or the homos get.”

...and said “Limited”, or “AMG”, or “Estates” on it…

Comment #40: MikeEss  on  07/07  at  04:00 PM

No amount of handling is going to make her anything but an idiot.

Actually, if you read the Vanity Fair article, her grandest act of stupidity was her refusal to even listen to or respect the experience of her handlers.  Then things would go wrong and she’d blame them for her failure to shut the fuck up, listen, and do as she was instructed.

Comment #41: Ms Kate  on  07/07  at  04:07 PM

Of course, my rednecky behavior only stands out…

Amanda:

I’ve decided that people like you (and us other redstate prisoners) need our own term.  I think, henceforth we should call ourselves ‘bluenecks.’  :D

Comment #42: Magis  on  07/07  at  04:23 PM

tannenburg:

Needless to say, any venture into mutual discussion of politics soon becomes a mutual effort to change the subject. He just cannot understand that a Cardiologist with a net worth in the upper hundreds of thousands and an income topping 400K a year is truly in the upper stratosphere of this country’s elites.

Those are the kind of people that just make me want to scream. The level of delusion required to believe that someone making $400k a year is in any way even remotely middle class should be listed in the DSM-IV.

damnedyankee:

I’m voting for Amanda as the blogger I would most like to have a beer with.

Surprisingly little discussion of politics. smile

Are you still going to Drinking Liberally at all, Amanda? I haven’t been in a long time.

Comment #43: Dan, Grand High Emperor of Bananas Foster  on  07/07  at  04:36 PM

I’ve lived almost my entire life in California.  If my politics were those of my Orange County relatives, I’d be a Real American.

And oppressed.

Comment #44: Bob  on  07/07  at  04:43 PM

dinner prayers being demanded at some gatherings

That strikes me as really rude.  I don’t know how I’d handle it if someone demanded a dinner prayer in my home.  Um, hello?  You’re in my house; you don’t get to make demands.  You can ask politely and not freak out if I say no.

Comment #45: keshmeshi  on  07/07  at  04:50 PM

You say “blinkered”, I say “intellectually dishonest”.

I think at it’s heart it’s so incredibly juvenile. The sort of behaviour that you tend to grow out of when you’re a kid. That you can hold your breath until you’re blue and that ends/wins an argument. Or if you keep on saying “I know you are, but what am I?” over and over and over again.

There’s not a grain of honestly grown up, adult thinking in any of it.
Most of it takes a small grain of an opinion and expands it to say that “everything must be thus and those who disagree are not only wrong but they are evil, liberal, etc. etc.” without ever having to back up the opinion.
It relies on bluster, shouting the loudest and cross talk.
There’s no facts or checking of said facts, it’s all one big game of telephone. It ‘s a shock when people what you know suddenly come out with the same lie that’s been spouted over and over again, that you know to be false and have the facts to prove it and those people (relatives even) don’t want to hear it, shut down or just get angry with YOU.

Some days I just can’t take it anymore. It’s all so depressing how it all seems to have gone to shit.

Comment #46: Danica Lefse Queen  on  07/07  at  05:14 PM

It is my experience that people who worship Sarah Palin usually hate education and any glimmer of intellectualism.  We have a constant running battle with people who think like she does to fund our schools.  They write letters to the editor of our local paper daily bashing teachers and the school district.  They reject any information they receive from any source other than FOX News, Rush Limaugh and Bubba down the street.  Do not cite studies or research.  Do not suggest they read a book.  If Bubba down the street said it, it’s gospel truth.  They take pride in being uneducated and willfully stupid.  I had one guy inform me that he’d rather have a crap job and be uneducated than go to college and become liberal and he would NEVER let his kids go to college. 

I cannot wrap my head around this way of thinking at all.  My grandparents worked their butts off to get my mother into college.  My father’s father worked in the steel mills in PA and college was out of the question.  My dad - a staunch Republican until Bush came along - went into the Navy and used the GI bill to get his degree.  They taught me to read before I started school and I had a library card as soon as I was old enough to get one.  They always assumed I was going to college and were upset when I put it off for a few years.  My dad scratched and clawed his way into the middle class and was determined that my brother and I would have easier lives.  The whole idea that tribal identity trumps providing a better life for your kids blows my mind.

Comment #47: BadKitty  on  07/07  at  05:14 PM

Look, shall we call a spade a bloody shovel? 

Ever civilization produces complete fucking primitives.  These are yours.

Comment #48: seeker6079  on  07/07  at  05:24 PM

tannenburg—Everyone in America believes they’re middle class; if they admit that upper and lower/working class exist, it’s only relative to their own position. That’s part of why it’s so difficult to have a conversation about class in this country, and so easy for conservatives to exploit class resentments without the rubes catching on that they’re getting the business end of it.

As opposed to a lot of their rhetoric, I believe a lot of Republicans think they’re being perfectly honest when they talk about their tax policies benefiting the middle class—it just goes unspoken that they believe anyone who makes less than a quarter-million dollars a year isn’t middle class.

Comment #49: Redshift  on  07/07  at  05:25 PM

I haven’t been doing the Drinking Liberally thing in basically forever.  My social and work schedule filled up so much lately that I just don’t make the time.

Comment #50: Amanda Marcotte  on  07/07  at  05:41 PM

Someone please enlighten this foreign-born, Eastern-educated liberal (yup, I’m 0 for 3, I know) as to the following:

- What does “pepper belly” mean?
- How do you open a bear with the ankle of your jeans? What part is the ankle anyway?

Thanks

Comment #51: Dan2108  on  07/07  at  05:46 PM

“Ever civilization produces complete fucking primitives.  These are yours.”

Yes, but this seems to be the result of decades of Devo’s De-Evolution.  In the past, there were always some hard cases who pissed on the idea that education is important.  And a few were even proud of their lack of education. 

But among some segments of the American public, it’s a badge of honor to shit on people who are educated.  That is a fairly recent thing in my experience.

There seems to be a confluence of shit-kicker music, rabid anti-intellectualism, “worship” of the “common man”, and Republican political dominance that has lead to this state of affairs… 

(Of course, it could just be my prejudices that make it feel that way…)

Comment #52: MikeEss  on  07/07  at  05:49 PM

I was also born in small town Texas and still live here. I like many of the cultural customs and attitudes,  a shame it doesn’t mix well with liberalism.

Comment #53: woolie  on  07/07  at  05:51 PM

Beer, sorry.  Did I spell it “bear”?  You twist the cap off by setting your foot on a chair, grabbing the loose cloth around your ankle, and using that to twist the cap off your beer.  If you don’t have a twist-off cap, well, many of my people keep church keys on their key chains, where they belong.  “Pepper belly” means an appetite and high tolerance for spicy food.

Comment #54: Amanda Marcotte  on  07/07  at  06:02 PM

Cute story. Like Amanda, I hadn’t thought my roots were particularly obvious. I don’t dress like a cowboy, I have long, curly hair and a beard, and feel that I’m a fairly sophisticated person in many domains. But about a month ago I was in Paris and a woman asked, “Are you from Texas?”

Comment #55: woolie  on  07/07  at  06:08 PM

“How do you open a bear with the ankle of your jeans?”

Unsuccessfully, with much screaming.

Comment #56: seeker6079  on  07/07  at  06:09 PM

woolie:
That may simply be because there’s a weird little subset of Europeans who think that most Americans come from Texas.  Yes, I am serious.

Comment #57: seeker6079  on  07/07  at  06:10 PM

I STILL can’t get rid of “y’all” and I was born in Toronto and live in Southwestern Ontario, for god’s sake.

I was born in Atlantic Canada, live in Arctic Canada, and use “y’all”.  Not because I’m trying to impersonate an extra on the Dukes of Hazzard but because I decided the word was just too damn useful once I learned about it.

Comment #58: KeithM  on  07/07  at  06:12 PM

People like Bush and Douthat, who pretend to be salt-of-the-earth despite the fact that they’re clearly not, remind me of this one family I used to know, let’s call them the XYs. The XYs were billionaires; I believe Mr. XY owned a third of a significant fast food chain. I was in their daughter’s class at school. Once they hosted a fundraiser/party for the school’s parents at their mansion. Most of the other parents showed up in formal dress, expecting that this would be a fancy affair (the XYs indicated as much). The XYs showed up wearing plaid flannel and jeans, and they served lemonade and beer instead of wine. The subtext to this was clearly, “yeah, this is what you peons do on your hootenannies, right? Whoa, holy crap, you’re wearing suits and tuxedos! I didn’t even know you people knew what those were!” The irony of all this was that many, if not most, of the other parents were millionaires themselves, but the XYs were billionaires, so they felt the need to condescend to the hoi polloi and they completely missed the mark.

Bush and Douthat are the same way: they are grossly out of touch with reality, and so they feel the need to patronize the common folks when, in fact, they have no idea. The difference is that they have more practice than the XYs, so they can fool people more easily.

Comment #59: Lenina  on  07/07  at  06:14 PM

Beer, sorry.  Did I spell it “bear”?  You twist the cap off by setting your foot on a chair, grabbing the loose cloth around your ankle, and using that to twist the cap off your beer.  If you don’t have a twist-off cap, well, many of my people keep church keys on their key chains, where they belong.  “Pepper belly” means an appetite and high tolerance for spicy food.

Wait, you use the hem of your jeans to open beer? That has to be a dry-climate thing. In places like Illinois where it’s either slushy and gross or torrentially rainy for much of the year, we use our shirttails.

Comment #60: Matty  on  07/07  at  06:33 PM

Ha!  Here in Wisconsin we smash the neck of the bottle against the wall and drink from the broken shards!

No.  Seriously, almost everyone has a bottle opener on his or her keychain.  We aren’t the state with the highest concentration of taverns for nothing, after all.

Comment #61: tannenburg  on  07/07  at  06:36 PM

Clicked too fast:
The reason of course being that your jeans are likely to be covered in slush, salt or water, and therefore would be-nasty one’s beer.

Comment #62: Matty  on  07/07  at  06:36 PM

I don’t drink beer, but if I did, I’d prefer….

Comment #63: woolie  on  07/07  at  06:36 PM

“we must be looking down on them because they did”

Sounds like the classic playing the victim to excuse one’s own bigotry and narrowmindedness. At least that’s how it often plays out where I am.

And it’s not that I mind pick-up trucks and country music per se—it’s pick-ups the size of Rhode Island that are never actually used for hauling anything, and it’s country music that preaches smugly and mendaciously about how rural, uneducated whites are just so much better than everyone else… when it isn’t just white pop music sung with a twang.

I think a lot of performative redneck-ism—which I find obnoxious, but I’m one of those New England elite types—is a strange reaction to the reality that fewer and fewer people actually live in truly rural places. I watched the Iowa family farm collapse through the 90s. Those families didn’t go far—they just moved into the sprawling exurbs along the interstates and got service-industry jobs. For all real purposes, they no longer live in the country. But they still insist that they need for transportation what is essentially a piece of farm equipment, deliberate park on the lawn instead of the driveway, and pretend that heavy traffic and bustle are somehow unnatural or unexpected—behaviors that make no sense, but perhaps a way of avoiding acknowledging that the conditions of life for them have changed fundamentally and forever.

Comment #64: wapsie  on  07/07  at  06:56 PM

Ha!  Here in Wisconsin we smash the neck of the bottle against the wall and drink from the broken shards!

Bottles?  You mean you pansies can only drink portions that small?  In Canada, we drink American beer straight from pitchers and kegs.

You know why American beer is like sex in a canoe?  It’s fucking close to water.  (rimshot)  Try the buffet, folks.

Comment #65: KeithM  on  07/07  at  07:00 PM

<blockquote>Ha!  Here in Wisconsin we smash the neck of the bottle against the wall and drink from the broken shards!

Bottles?  You mean you pansies can only drink portions that small?  In Canada, we drink American beer straight from pitchers and kegs.

You know why American beer is like sex in a canoe?  It’s fucking close to water.  (rimshot) Try the buffet, folks. </blockquote>
The country that gave the world Molson has no right to complain about another’s beer. Just sayin’.

Comment #66: Matty  on  07/07  at  07:02 PM

The country that gave the world Molson has no right to complain about another’s beer. Just sayin’.

Normally, that would be true, but since by law Canadians are required to feel smugly superior to Americans on three issues—universal health care, lack of Republicans, and beer—it’s a necessary thing, eh?

Comment #67: KeithM  on  07/07  at  07:47 PM

performative redneck-ism

wapsie:  This to me is EXACTLY Sarah Palin.  Look, I’m not a redneck, and the only quasi-rednecks I know are in-laws who are contractors in rural New England.  But I am _damn_ sure that Sarah Palin is no redneck, and doesn’t deserve _any_ credit for her “authenticity.” 

Sarah Palin is FANCY, people.  Sarah Palin is like the glossy luxury pickup truck with leather upholstery and a bed-liner.  She’s affluent megachurch exurbia.  She obviously thinks she’s hot shit, and surrounds herself with people who tell her she’s hot shit.  Popular girl.  “Heather.”  Real Housewife of Wasilla, AK.

She doesn’t DESERVE to get called a redneck.  It’s a colossal insult to actual rednecks.

Comment #68: FlipYrWhig  on  07/07  at  08:15 PM

The country that gave the world Molson has no right to complain about another’s beer. Just sayin’.

AHHHHHahahahahaha!!!

*chortling as I drink another Anchor Bock beer*

Comment #69: teac  on  07/07  at  08:47 PM

Mussolini’s frequent photo-ops of him pitching in to harvest grain along with the peasants

Not only that, he’d leave the lamp in his office on until late at night, to give the impression that he was hard at work for the sake of Italia.

there’s a weird little subset of Europeans who think that most Americans come from Texas.

It doesn’t help that there are folks running around like my grandfather, who was American/Chinese but despite living in San Jose, liked to wear Western clothes and a cowboy hat and because of his complexion resembled a gentleman of the plains with a permanent tan from being in the sun all day long. He did this in Europe as well.

I once met a native Texan at a relatives party who had the kind of upperclass accent that Margaret Dumont used in her Marx Brothers films, and I concluded his forebearers were upper-class Easterners who were determined that their roots wouldn’t fade into Lone Star barbarity wink

<u>like many of the cultural customs and attitudes,</u>

Heh.  My cousin in Quinlan, TX, has insisted on more than one occasion that Fannin county, where she was born and bred, probably has the highest concentration of gossipers per capita on the North American continent.

Comment #70: Dark Avenger Guardian Chow Mein  on  07/07  at  08:53 PM

Sarah Palin is FANCY, people.  Sarah Palin is like the glossy luxury pickup truck with leather upholstery and a bed-liner.  She’s affluent megachurch exurbia.  She obviously thinks she’s hot shit, and surrounds herself with people who tell her she’s hot shit.  Popular girl.  “Heather.” Real Housewife of Wasilla, AK.

Yes, but she’s willing to pretend to be a redneck rather than adopting the middle class mores with which she was raised. So in the minds of reckneckistan, this shows “respect.” Meanwhile, people like felagund are regarded as “disrespecting” those in small town virginia simply by dint of living the life he prefers to live while residing there.

The other funny thing about Douthat is that the entire point of his book about Harvard was how Harvard was ruined by being overrun by hyper-focused meritocrats whereas the true essence of Harvard could be found by engaging in its class-connection aspects and could be experienced most fully when one did not have to worry about one’s future ambitions, knowing that they would be fulfilled by dint of your family and social connections and, in his case, having William F. Buckley take you under his wing. So of course he views mockery of Sarah Palin as being a disdain for her class: he believes that educational pedigree is best experienced as a marker of tribal identity.

I’m a product of some pretty elite educational institutions, but some of the smartest people I know didn’t come from that background, but they are part of my tribe, not by dint of the names on their diplomas but because of their social and intellectual values. Palin, for whatever reason, adopted an anti-intellectual value system that is alien to me—and she chose this of her own will. So of course we’re going to reject that in our leaders.

The whole idea that tribal identity trumps providing a better life for your kids blows my mind.

I’m going to make a personal confession here: I’m actually very protective of my “tribal identity”, not simply in an ethno-religious sense (though that exists), but in that liberal-intellectual sense. I can’t say that I’d actually want my children to associate with, say, wealthy right-wing elements, even though that might result in a “better life” (financially) for them. Now, of course, if they got accepted to Harvard, I’d want them to go and would trust them to make their own decisions about what values to adopt and which friends to make, but a certain set of values with which they were raised are important, too: no one wants to see their children reject the identity with which they were raised.

I’m pretty sure that what I’m writing isn’t clear. I’m fortunate that things like education are integral to my “tribal identity,” and I’m secure enough to know that things like education, learning, and an intellectual life aren’t threatening to it. But I can see how if something is (wrongly) perceived to be threatening to their tribal identity that someone might reject it, cutting off their nose to spite their face.

It’s been a pretty damaging and destructive trick by the Republicans to make a certain class of people think that education is simply a “liberal value” in order to trick them into rejecting education.

Comment #71: Tyro  on  07/07  at  09:44 PM

I want the cowboy boot roller skates so bad!!! 

I think in some ways, seeing class struggle in the US as between the elites of big ponds and the elites of small ponds isn’t totally inaccurate. 

We true working class people have been crushed to the point where we only struggle to survive.  Its a sea of disappointment and apathy around here.

Comment #72: semi_factual  on  07/07  at  10:00 PM

Most rednecks that I have known in my life have worked very hard and pushed their kids to do well in school so that they can go to college - even community college or a state-run technical school.  They do this so that their kids could have a better life.  People who poo-poohed college for their kids were viewed as selfish and unrealistic and totally stupid.

These prattling idiots know absolutely nothing of life on the low end - the class divisions are just all stereotypes to them.
Ms Kate on 07/07 at 12:27 PM

There is another element though, Ms. Kate.  It’s the lower middle class manufacturing union worker.  That element did pooh pooh education: “what?  I can earn more than you’ll ever earn with that (blank) degree.  Think the “Painters and Plasterers Union line in “Dirty Dancing.  The first person to get a grad degree in my family was scoffed at as “being a professional student.”  Today he’s the chair of a department at a major state U. 

Some of those folks wouldn’t sacrifice and often argued their kids into tech school or the local com coll. when they were obviously university material.

Comment #73: phylosopher  on  07/07  at  10:11 PM

KeithM: bad news, bud. Yes, Canadian macro beers suck slightly less than American macro beers, but Americans have done a much better job of embracing the microbrewery movement. Having moved from tiny Madison Wisconsin to Toronto last year I really feel like I’ve taken a step down in terms of beer. There are some local breweries with promise (Mill Street and Amsterdam, for instance) and some Canadian micros with international reputations (Unibroue, atlhough they were bought by Sleeman), but they remind me of the local breweries in Madison ten or fifteen years ago when they were just starting out.

Comment #74: befuggled  on  07/07  at  10:11 PM

woolie:
That may simply be because there’s a weird little subset of Europeans who think that most Americans come from Texas.  Yes, I am serious.
seeker6079 on 07/07 at 05:10 PM

Hangover from Edna Ferber’s: <italics>Giant</italics> which was also a big movie hit in Europe decades ago.

Comment #75: phylosopher  on  07/07  at  10:17 PM

English *needs* y’all.
shah8 on 07/07 at 01:13 PM

Absolutely, it is the 2nd person plural of the singular you.

Comment #76: phylosopher  on  07/07  at  10:22 PM

At least Nixon’s class resentments were genuine.  He worked his way up from pretty much nothing, and was a vastly important figure in restoring the GOP to power and influence.  In return much of the GOP elite from the late 40s to Eisenhower* and after that treated him as if he was the septic tank emptier who wandered into drawing room.  Their disdain for him seemed to increase in proportion for how much they owed him.  The seething, bitter, bitter, bitter, vengeful man who moved into the Presidency was created in large measure by his own party.  Nixon’s play to the lower half of the party (if we can call it that) was a genuine class response to class bias practiced against him: he tailored his appeal to people who actually worked for a living and against those who looked down their noses at those who weren’t born on third assured of their own superiority.

Have you read Nixonland, seeker? That’s one of the many things the author talks about - how, besides the more well-known Southern Strategy, Nixon played on real or perceived class distinctions (the author calls them Franklins and Orthogonians, after clubs at Whittier College) to basically shape the modern Republican Party.

Comment #77: Rebecca  on  07/07  at  10:29 PM

I haven’t yet, Rebecca.  I’ve read some good bios of him.  He is hands down America’s most complex and fascinating president. One could wear out a library of analysis on just him.

Comment #78: seeker6079  on  07/07  at  10:34 PM

oh look, an article from a few days ago about Sarah Palin wrt Franklin and Orthogonians.

Comment #79: Rebecca  on  07/07  at  10:37 PM

Absolutely, it is the 2nd person plural of the singular you.

Who has heard (and cringed at) the construction, “Your guy’s” - pronounced “Yer guises”? Heard often out here in the desert southwest in restaurants: “How is yer guises dinner tasting?”

WTF? OMG! WTF?!?

No understanding that the word “your” can either be singular or plural.

“Y’all” is so imminently superior. Even my SoCal wife now uses it - and her crew knows that *things are serious* when she does.

Heh.

Comment #80: teac  on  07/07  at  10:40 PM

It’s the lower middle class manufacturing union worker

That happened in my father’s family, he was looked down upon because he chose to become a community college professor instead of the lucrative profession of truck driving that both my uncle Joe-Bob(a real redneck name, right Amanda?) and Grandfather Avenger engaged in.

The upshot is that Joe-Bob is in terrible physical shape because he drove truck and didn’t get much physical exercise, and while 8 years younger than Dad, looks to be in his early 70s, and Dad appears to be the younger sibling when you put them side by side.

Comment #81: Dark Avenger Guardian Chow Mein  on  07/07  at  10:41 PM

It’s the lower middle class manufacturing union worker.  That element did pooh pooh education: “what?  I can earn more than you’ll ever earn with that (blank) degree.

YMMV, of course. Some families, stereotypically immigrant families, will get whatever working class job they can for the express purpose of making enough money to sent their children to college and professional school, because they see this as a way to give their kids more earning potential and a better seat at the “class table” and will insist that their children do this, even if they would prefer to go into the “family business.”

Class issues like this permeate the US, but they’re hidden behind the curtain: everyone knows they’re there, but no one wants to talk about it.

Comment #82: Tyro  on  07/07  at  11:00 PM

This whole thing is really weird for me because I’m from a very rural part of Upstate New York, which means that I grew up with beer-drinking, farm-working, ATV-riding rednecks who were, for the most part, also liberal Democrats. It’s kind of difficult to explain that to people on both sides of the fence, sometimes.

Comment #83: aebhel  on  07/07  at  11:01 PM

I’d bet that said idiots would have a problem with UMass or several SUNY schools, despite their state-school-and-thus-ok status.  Which just goes to prove your point even more.

But of course.  UMass may have started as Mass Aggie, but now the students can take courses at evil, liberal, feminist, WASPy elite places like Smith or Amherst or Mount Holyoke, or hippie-dippie schools where they still have Maoists, like Hampshire.  How can you possibly be a *real* American if half your classmates speak a foreign language?

And even I’ve eaten food shot be a family member or acquaintance, and I grew up on Long fucking Island.  And, here is Western Mass, I can see the nearest tilled field from my back porch.

Morons.

I had a bear show up in my back yard a couple of years ago, and a copperhead bit a woman on the next street over.  And I’m in Easthampton, five miles from Smith.

Comment #84: Ellid  on  07/07  at  11:03 PM

Some families, stereotypically immigrant families, will get whatever working class job they can for the express purpose of making enough money to sent their children to college and professional school, because they see this as a way to give their kids more earning potential and a better seat at the “class table” and will insist that their children do this, even if they would prefer to go into the “family business.”

And the most obsessed of these parents, especially those with some means will literally force their kids to learn a “proper”(read classical)* musical instrument such as the piano so they are able to show some trappings of the upper-middle/upper-classes. 

This is one reason why most of my high school classmates ended up hating the piano or other “proper” instrument.  It is also one reason along with upper/upper-middle class classically obsessed older relatives that I entered an anti-classical music phase in high school and early college as I associated classical music with wannabe/actual upper/upper-middle class snobby assholes. 

*There’s no way in hell they’d allow their kids to pick up “improper” instruments such as an electric guitar, drum machine, or synthesizers as they don’t have what they perceived as the trappings of the fancy upper/upper-middle classes.

Comment #85: exholt  on  07/08  at  01:39 AM

There’s no way in hell they’d allow their kids to pick up “improper” instruments such as an electric guitar, drum machine, or synthesizers as they don’t have what they perceived as the trappings of the fancy upper/upper-middle classes.

The actual attainment of upper-middle-classness is the point where you don’t have to publicly display these class markers. The defining characteristic of the middle class seems to be an insecurity where they have to adopt a certain set of markers in order to avoid being mistaken for the working class.

Where’s The Opoponax? She always had great comments on these sorts of issues.

The sympathy I have here for Palin is the following: her parents were middle class college educated, and for whatever reason she wasn’t up to snuff and couldn’t compete in that environment. The upper class solution is to send that child to a finishing school type of college and set the child up with a job somewhere in finance and a marriage to someone similarly wealthy, so their academic shortcomings won’t result in an economic downfall. The child of a middle class family doesn’t really have any option other than the standard college-education-on-the-professional-path. If you’re not academically or intellectually minded, as Palin isn’t, and know that you don’t fit in within that milieu, you’re going to reject it in a big way and find the only niche you can fit into: which is the hyper-resentful, anti-intellectual culture she attached herself to. Within her middle-class professional milieu in which she grew up, she would face a certain amount of opprobrium for being the 4-time-college-dropout who’s not into reading. By contrast, within her church and among her anti-intellectual right-wing supporters, she’s the queen bee.

Comment #86: Tyro  on  07/08  at  02:08 AM

People who poo-poohed college for their kids were viewed as selfish and unrealistic and totally stupid.

My parents were an engineer and an english teacher, from poor and middle class backgrounds. They said exactly that: College is a waste of time, it won’t help you get a job, etc. Holy flying fuck were they wrong.

Comment #87: banisteriopsis  on  07/08  at  02:08 AM

“Sounds like the classic playing the victim to excuse one’s own bigotry and narrowmindedness.”

that’s it!  venally and cynically ambitious Palin creates a falsified identity of pseudo-victimhood in order to projectile-vomit outward her own jealousy and resentment of anyone she believes stands in her way and/or disagrees with her, all the while intuiting that this addictive psychological obsession appeals to a mass of similarly bigoted and intellectually and emotionally stunted resenters.

Because they consistently allow their lesser angels and character flaws to rule their own minds, effectively scabbing over their consciences, the resenters have to pretend that someone else is disrespecting them first.  That gives them the false cover they need to feel superior to the people they actually are jealous of and resent, and whom they actually feel inferior to.

No wonder they don’t want self-esteem taught in school - they’d all flunk!

And why are they jealous and resentful?  Because some other people (elitists!) have NOT allowed their lesser angels and character flaws to rule their minds.  How dare they!?  Funny how that works to keep the resenters self-limited and jealous (I won’t give in or grow up!  I’m the Decider!  Isn’t that about age 3-4 in child development?).

No wonder they appear like hypocritical puritanistic knuckle-dragging dead-enders.  The real shame is that they hook their kids into the same blame game, limiting their horizons and dumbing their generations down even further.  That’s what is resented about Palin and how she uses her family, not the fact that she has one.  Any other interpretation is merely laughable (I’d say wrongheaded, but, fact is, the head is fine; the problem is where the head is inserted).

The solution:  Send em all to Ivy League FEMA/Halliburton re-education camps, with Starbucks running the food concessions and college professors in tweed jackets and hippies as guards.  That’ll learn em real good.

Comment #88: News Nag  on  07/08  at  02:39 AM

“[The Republican Party] has placed within reach of the Oval Office a woman who is a religious fanatic and a proud, boastful ignoramus. Those who despise science and learning are not anti-elitist. They are morally and intellectually slothful people who are secretly envious of the educated and the cultured.”
Christopher Hitchens, Sarah Palin’s War on Science

The McCain/Palin ticket was the political equivalent of the Gong Show. Placing the intellectually bereft Sarah Palin within a heartbeat of the Oval Office exposed the GOP’s Faustian bargain with those seeking to create an American theocracy.

Comment #89: BobbyV  on  07/08  at  08:42 AM

The actual attainment of upper-middle-classness is the point where you don’t have to publicly display these class markers.

Not to mention the fact that you’re no longer inclined to indulge in economic and political victimhood, if only because it’s bloody unseemly.

It also becomes more difficult (at least in the second generation) to pretend you’re anything other than what you are—those superficial class markers aren’t needed because it’s obvious from how you speak to how your carry yourself. Pretending (usually by altering speech or carriage or, most commonly, superficial markers) makes most upper-middle-class (and higher) people look insincere, and usually engenders hostility. It takes a confidence artist on the order of Prince Bush to pull that scam off, and even in that case he ends up alienating upper-middle-class people who don’t affect a “jes folks” demeanour and thus see him for the phony he is.

I have no sympathy for Palin in this regard—lacking legitimate bases for claiming victimhood (a key component of success for any conservative policitian), and lacking Bush Jr.‘s talent for grifting, she fell back on religion and intellectual mediocrity and used those as the bases instead. That’s just repulsive and lazy.

Comment #90: Gracchus.  on  07/08  at  09:14 AM

The current GOP would have run Nixon out on a rail due to his liberal policies on family planning and health.  One of his big allies early on in his career?  Kennedy.  Jack, not Ted.

Comment #91: helen w. h.  on  07/08  at  09:54 AM

I had a bear show up in my back yard a couple of years ago, and a copperhead bit a woman on the next street over.  And I’m in Easthampton, five miles from Smith.

Did you hear about the cow that was loose in downtown Northampton a few years ago?  There were a couple of cop cars herding it through the streets in the pre-dawn hours.  Oh, good times.  But it was probably a grass-fed, organic cow, so it doesn’t count.

Comment #92: rowmyboat  on  07/08  at  03:01 PM

but a certain set of values with which they were raised are important, too: no one wants to see their children reject the identity with which they were raised.

Fine, but that can slide over very easily into self-destructive stupidity. For example:

I had one guy inform me that he’d rather have a crap job and be uneducated than go to college and become liberal and he would NEVER let his kids go to college.

I’ll bet this is one of those jackasses who also proclaims he’d rather have him and his family die than see them saved with universal healthcare, ‘cause y’know it’s “socialist.”

By definition, liberalism allows one the flexibility to adjust everything (except the core values of liberalism itself) to changing times and mores, rather than stubbornly sticking to the past (or, in the case of American Know-Nothings, a past that never was). From my point of view, liberalism generally is incompatible with tribalism, because it encourages people to break with the tribe.

Comment #93: Gracchus.  on  07/08  at  03:29 PM

There’s nothing inherently wrong with a blue-collar job and you can make a lot of money in some blue-collar jobs. So it’s fine if someone doesn’t feel that college is right for them, but what I don’t get is the active hostility toward educated people.

Comment #94: aebhel  on  07/08  at  04:41 PM
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