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No cops, no parks, halted economic activity: conservative paradise

We often wonder what a conservative paradise would really look like on the liberal blogs, and it looks like Colorado Springs—-home to many defense contractors and to Focus on Family—-has become a shining star in the much-desired collapse of basic government services that Grover Norquist and other anti-government fanatics have always wanted.  Unfortunately, it seems less paradise to have much-slashed government, and more stinky, ugly, boring, and scary. 

More than a third of the streetlights in Colorado Springs will go dark Monday. The police helicopters are for sale on the Internet. The city is dumping firefighting jobs, a vice team, burglary investigators, beat cops — dozens of police and fire positions will go unfilled.

The parks department removed trash cans last week, replacing them with signs urging users to pack out their own litter.

Neighbors are encouraged to bring their own lawn mowers to local green spaces, because parks workers will mow them only once every two weeks. If that.

Water cutbacks mean most parks will be dead, brown turf by July; the flower and fertilizer budget is zero.

City recreation centers, indoor and outdoor pools, and a handful of museums will close for good March 31 unless they find private funding to stay open. Buses no longer run on evenings and weekends. The city won’t pay for any street paving, relying instead on a regional authority that can meet only about 10 percent of the need.

In addition, cutbacks in community service spending means that summer programs for kids that keep them off the streets will be cut, and programs that help elderly people get out and about will also disappear.  The streets are less safe, not only because they cut back on police, but also on streetlights.  And private business will be hurt, because tourism is going down, due to these cuts and others. 

One thing I thought was interesting in watching the House Republicans battle Obama last week was how much Republican talking points about budget don’t take into account how government revenues depend on a highly variable tax base, and when the taxpayers make less money, so does the government.  Now, I understand that it’s in their political interests to pretend the only relevant aspect of government budgeting is how much goes out, because they are opposed to any government spending that doesn’t enrich their friends or leave people dead.  But the implicit denial that a stimulated economy will help increase revenue in the future was fascinating, since old arguments about tax cuts also assumed the more money being invested out there means more money coming in.  I suppose “lower taxes” is an article of faith with Republicans now, and they quit bothering to even justify it from a pragmatic viewpoint a long time ago.  (In part because it’s indefensible—-the wealth does more for the government and general prosperity if the middle class has it, and Republican policies that concentrate wealth into the hands of the already wealthy are ineffective.)  I bring this up because Colorado Springs isn’t just in the grip of the fallacy that you can have services without taxes, but also that you can have a tax base without having a population that makes enough money to pay taxes. 

Community business leaders have jumped into the budget debate, some questioning city spending on what they see as “Ferrari”-level benefits for employees and high salaries in middle management. Broadmoor luxury resort chief executive Steve Bartolin wrote an open letter asking why the city spends $89,000 per employee, when his enterprise has a similar number of workers and spends only $24,000 on each.

We all hope you can see the irony—-Bartolini is part of the problem.  By paying his employees so little they can barely afford food and rent, he’s basically choking off a revenue stream into the city, because they aren’t paying that much taxes.  If his people could afford to do things like buy property, they’d pay property tax that the city could use to pay its lighting bill.  But here’s Bartolini, who is a huge part of the problem, complaining because some people out there aren’t starving to death, and starving the government while they’re at it.  Why is he complaining?  Presumably, a government that’s falling apart is what he wants.  Except that people like him are extremely narrow-minded and selfish, and I’ll bet you a lot of money he’s pissed, because infrastructure falling apart means that he’s losing tourist dollars to cities that aren’t teetering on the brink, or at least where the grass is green. But he can’t think about the money coming in, because he’s so intently focused on maximizing human suffering in the hated working classes.  He’s only interested in looking at ways to impoverish workers.

I suspect this “fuck the people” attitude is where a lot of Colorado Springs’ problems begin.  For instance, Focus on Family has both been spending half a million on Prop 8 and apparently $4 million total on the Tim Tebow anti-choice ad.  While they’ve been flinging these many millions around on advertising and political campaigns, they’ve also been cutting employees left and right, dropping from a high of 1,400 employees to their current number of 860.  (That’s 39% of their employees.)  That’s a lot of people who aren’t helping pay to keep the lights on and the grass green in Colorado Springs.  But hey, at least gays can’t marry each other in California and continue the process of minding their own business and harming nobody.

You can’t blame Focus on Family for everything, but I have to point out that the combination of strict anti-tax thinking plus an ideological belief that people should be making no more (and hopefully less) than they need to survive is a recipe for social meltdown.  The old business adage is that you have to spend money to make money, but for conservatives, they simply refuse to believe that this is true if there’s an off chance that the money you spend can improve the life of anyone not in the wealthy elect.  Instead, to whip out another variation on the hoary old “South Park” joke, this seems to be the thinking:

1) Slash the people’s income until economic activity comes to a halt.
2) ?
3) Profit!

Except, as you can see here, that’s not happening.  But I suppose that if Colorado Springs does continue to slash economic activity and its tax base until it’s a burned out, scary hole, there will be a vacuum for exciting new criminal enterprises that see the lack of police as a plus to living in Colorado Springs, as well as an impoverished populace that is willing to take any kind of work, even illegal work. That’s industry, and one that agrees with the general conservative ideologues that you shouldn’t pay your workforce any real money. 

 

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Posted by Amanda Marcotte on 06:03 PM • (92) Comments

I saw a tweet this morning, saying “This is what happens if the teabaggers wrest control of our government.” Except… they already have.

This is happening all over the country at the municipal level, including where I live in a Bay Area exurb. They aren’t just firing the parks guy and letting the grass die, they are laying off cops and firemen. COPS and FIREMEN. How is that even possible, politically? You know everything else that can be cut has been cut when it comes down to cops and firemen.

Krugman and Greenwald have both recently made the point—our political culture has been pulled so far to the right that Reagan’s own policies are viewed as hopelessly left-wing. Grover Norquist’s dream is coming true.

Comment #1: humanadverb  on  02/01  at  07:05 PM

Here in Raleigh they laid off the snowplow operators. Four inches of snow fell. Chaos ensued - the major road near my house wasn’t salted or plowed until at least 36 hours after the storm, and the minor thoroughfare I live on is still basically a sheet of ice.

And Raleigh’s less economically fucked than most of the rest of the country. Whee!

Comment #2: Jeff  on  02/01  at  07:09 PM

Here in Nashville, where the mayor has recently let us all know that homelessness in not a government issue, my neighborhood has yet to be plowed after last Friday’s snow storm.  It seems like most of the roads that are clear, are so because people have driven on them and because it was above freezing today.

Comment #3: rowmyboat  on  02/01  at  07:14 PM

You’re telling me there isn’t a nice, white-haired old man with a tractor and plow blade willing to do the job for pie and coffee? All my Norman Rockwell illusions about Raleigh are shattered.

Comment #4: humanadverb  on  02/01  at  07:15 PM

Everybody knows that if it weren’t for those greedy unionized public employees pulling down three times what they could in the private sector just to lean on their shovels, and who pretend to work till they’re around 45 and then collect enormous pensions for the rest of their lives while they go on around the world cruises, we could CUT taxes and still fund much better services than ever before. (I sincerely hope a sarcasm alert isn’t needed…)

Comment #5: Steve LaBonne  on  02/01  at  07:20 PM

But, but! Hank Reardon will save us! We just have to let him do whatever he wants, and then he’ll be totally benevolent and pay for roads and schools, right?

...right?

Comment #6: Cola82  on  02/01  at  07:21 PM

Wow, I actually feel really good about the Richmond City Government now. The main roads were plowed quickly, with 14 inches of snow.

To be fair to Raleigh and Nashville, though, I don’t think snow removal is exactly the forte of southern cities. It’s like northern Europe during the heat wave.

Comment #7: Ben D.  on  02/01  at  07:22 PM

Snow removal is also apparently not a strong area for Ann Arbor, Michigan.  I thought maybe they just didn’t have the money this year, what with the devastation the Bush economy has brought to the state, but I’m told that it’s always this bad.  Never expected snow removal to be an issue in a place where winter runs from September to May.

Comment #8: libdevil  on  02/01  at  07:35 PM

Jeff, holy crap, is that what happened. Apparently they spent the first thirty-six hours trying to keep I-40 clear enough that all economic activity wouldn’t grind to a halt, but I was still surprised that my own minor thoroughfare was still essentially ice this morning.

Comment #9: purpleshoes  on  02/01  at  07:37 PM

The Big Question on my mind (and this also applies to the entire state of CA) is: what Important Lesson (if any) will Joe and Jane Sixpack learn from this experience?

Because we all talk about how this is the logical outcome of Norquist-style “defund-the-govt” neoconservatism, but as we all know, people don’t learn from these experiences in a vacuum.  I predict that people may not connect the dots here in the way we are at all.  They may connect the dots to conclude that the still haven’t defunded govt enough, and they have to cut taxes even more.  Or they may conclude that they just have to privatize their cops and roads, thus paving they way for Omni Consumer Products.

Comment #10: phantom power  on  02/01  at  07:38 PM

Anyone who has any intelligence and lives in the nut ball capital of the midwest and who has not fought the freaks or moved, deserves just what they get. 

It doesn’t take a rocket scientist to tell where the nut balls rule.  I went to one (1) rock concert in Salt Lake City in the 1970s.  Polite applause after each set.  Knew instantly that I would never live in that state.  The five hundred cops for the concert wasn’t really impressive either.

Comment #11: less is more  on  02/01  at  07:40 PM

Snow removal is also apparently not a strong area for Ann Arbor, Michigan.

Now, that’s pathetic.

Comment #12: Ben D.  on  02/01  at  07:41 PM

Steve Bartolin, like slash-‘n-burn capitalist ticks everywhere, will drop off the dog after it dies and look for another place to destroy.  As long as there are Americans happily swilling the No-To-Everything Konservative Koolaid, there will always be some other town ripe for the exploitation.

Of, course, what happens to those left behind in the hell hole left behind is of no concern to the konservatives.  Maybe they’ll start some Children of the Corn-style religious cult or something.  I’m sure that would be good for tourism and the local economy…

I don’t think things will get better until there are “conservative business leaders” hanging from streetlights and telephone pole…

Comment #13: MikeEss  on  02/01  at  07:43 PM

I just spent the past Thanksgiving at my sister’s place in nearby Pueblo, CO (you have to fly in to Colorado Springs & drive the 40 or so miles to Pueblo). I only got to see CO Springs at night and then just from the airport to the highway. it didn’t seem very nice, but at least the streetlights were on.

Comment #14: Mark  on  02/01  at  07:56 PM

1) Slash the people’s income until economic activity comes to a halt.
2) ?
3) Profit!

My own Conservative List for Handling Problems:

1) Invade it.
2) If you can’t invade it, bomb it.
3) If you can’t invade it and you can’t bomb it, say the librul media made it up.
4) If you can’t invade it, you can’t bomb it and the librul media made it up, say it isn’t really a problem.

I think this has gone straight to #4. Look for a bunch of “It’s not so bad!” stories in the next couple of days.

Comment #15: RickMassimo  on  02/01  at  08:13 PM

Broadmoor luxury resort chief executive Steve Bartolin wrote an open letter asking why the city spends $89,000 per employee, when his enterprise has a similar number of workers and spends only $24,000 on each.

Why, it’s almost as if local government (i.e. people driving trucks) is more capital intensive that running resorts (i.e. people carrying towels)...

Comment #16: Phoenician in a time of Romans  on  02/01  at  08:15 PM

Phantom @ 10:

The lesson is that Joe Sixpack is okay with tax hikes. Look at the Oregon referendum. The legislature passed a tax hike, the TABOR-ite Republicans forced it onto the ballot, and got hit hard when Oregon voters approved the hike by a 10-point margin.

Conventional Wisdom transmitters may have trouble understanding the difference between the middle class and the 1.5% making $250k/year, but the rest of us don’t. Remember the McCain “$100k to pick lettuce” gaff, he was laughed at by red blooded bricklayers. The question is, will the Oregon thing be enough of a lesson for our gutless, battered spouse California Democratic Party.

Comment #17: humanadverb  on  02/01  at  08:18 PM

Look at the Oregon referendum.

That surprised me.  I’ve been through 14 years of tax cutting ballot measures passing and tax raising measures failing.  Things here are nowhere near as bad as CS, yet we passed it.  A huge proportion of that vote came from the Portland, Salem and Eugene areas.  The entire east side of the state was hugely against it.  This indicates to me that the “moderates” of Oregon finally understood what tax cuts were doing to their services.  If you live in a bastion of far right economic libertarianism you’re gonna be shit out of luck if you try to raise taxes.  CS is screwed.

Comment #18: Jake Squid  on  02/01  at  08:26 PM

The Jesus-addled citizens of Colorado Springs voted for Republicans, didn’t they?  Year after year, huge Republican majorities, right?  Fuck them.  Let their roads fall apart, let their children go without schools, let their city become a giant unlivable slum, let them be preyed upon by criminals, let their houses burn to the ground.  It’s called “responsibility.”

Comment #19: W. Kiernan  on  02/01  at  08:34 PM

Amanda sez: “But the implicit denial that a stimulated economy will help increase revenue in the future was fascinating, since old arguments about tax cuts also assumed the more money being invested out there means more money coming in.”

Which reminds me: One point that always seems to be missing when we hear talk of the $200-billion surplus Dubya inherited (and squandered, natch) is just how we came about all that dough:  The economy was fucking booming, yeah!  So yes, a rising tide really does lift all boats, and pays off deficits right quick, too…it’s just that Grover N. and his crew would rather drain the pool completely so they can pick up all the quarters they find on the bottom.

Speaking of Colorado Springs, I had to spend a w/e there on biz one time. My lasting memory was rolling into a McDonald’s in the rental car and hearing religious music [LOUD] coming through the Drive-Thru window.  Woah.

PS Amanda: The clarity in your whole piece is just a brilliant analysis of this “less goverment” tragedy.

Comment #20: Hornet  on  02/01  at  08:39 PM

Jake @ 18: CS—do you mean CA? California?

California has the same bipolar electorate as Oregon, between the urban coasts (+Emerald Triangle) and the rural interior (+Orange County). Our problems are that the extremist minority used the TABOR-friendly zeitgeist of the Reagan years to give themselves power over the budget.

There’s a big mushy middle, though, of low-information sometimes-voters who don’t make a lot of noise. They through in with the conservatives because the ruling party (Democrats), arguably *were* out of control. (A California space program???) Now that we’re laying off firemen and cops, while the Republican governor and 34% of state reps who are Republican thumb their noses and demand deeper cuts… I expect the mushy middle to vote, again, against the status quo.

These are people who grumble about the deficit and taxes and spending because they don’t care enough to know enough to say anything intelligible. They know cops, firemen, trash collection, green grass, clear roads, etc.

Comment #21: humanadverb  on  02/01  at  08:46 PM

Don’t get trapped into thinking this is *just* Colorado Springs… look at what the conservatives have done on school boards. Don’t be surprised if they’ve infiltrated thousands of city councils and county boards, without anyone noticing they are totally fucking insane. I’m a crazy politics addict, and even I don’t pay enough attention to this shit to know who I’m voting for.

I’m in Sonoma County, in California, and we’re laying off cops and firemen. The county transient tax (on motel/hotel rates) is only 9%—VERY low, and actually less than our state sales tax. Wtf is that about?

Comment #22: humanadverb  on  02/01  at  08:50 PM

Fuck them.  Let their roads fall apart, let their children go without schools, let their city become a giant unlivable slum, let them be preyed upon by criminals, let their houses burn to the ground.  It’s called “responsibility.”

Except, W. Kiernan, not everyone in Colorado Springs voted for them. In fact, a swath of the population wasn’t able to vote at all, because they are children. I really hate this mentality, being a Southerner and all.

Comment #23: SweetT  on  02/01  at  08:51 PM

“It’s called “responsibility.””

The problem is the Republican shamans are never held accountable, the adverse effects are never properly pinned to the ridiculous ideas that spawned them, and the evil memes live on, transmitted like a virus from one place to another.

I agree they signed on for it.  But their kids didn’t ask for it, or their old people, or their handicapped, or other vulnerable members of society, yet they are caught up in the hell along with the rest. 

If their experience could be used to enlighten the hordes of mindless teabagging idiots, at least some good could come from it. 

But if there is anything we’ve learned so far about wingnuts, enlightenment is the very last thing they are looking for…

Comment #24: MikeEss  on  02/01  at  08:55 PM

And then we have Gov. Goodhair here in TX who apparently hasn’t looked at the kluge that is California’s legislature. He is supporting a measure here to require 2/3 majority to raise taxes. I haven’t heard anyone challenge that as the massive cock-up it is. I am hopeful that Bill White or Farouk will make that a HUGE issue in the upcoming election.

I am a 10th generation Californian and it grieves me to the bone to see what a tragic situation exists there now. We had world class universities, a progressive social environment and now, with years of conservative devastation I fear that it will not recover within my lifetime. I am hopeful that Pretty Boy Perry will not succeed this fall. Unfortunately, he’s a popular governor and Democrats are SO organized.

Comment #25: Therealhellkitty  on  02/01  at  09:12 PM

Pay public employees 24K/year so that they have to sign up for foodstamps, low income housing assistance, and the state’s low income medical plan. And no pension so that when they retire they’re low income old people too.

That will totally save the government money.

Comment #26: encephalopath  on  02/01  at  09:16 PM

Therealhellkitty, do you have open primaries? If I lived there I’d seriously consider voting for Hutchinson in the primary just to keep that nutbag Perry out.

Comment #27: Ben D.  on  02/01  at  09:20 PM

@humanadverb, maybe you might want to read this and see if it reminds you of anyone:
http://disabledfeminists.com/2010/01/19/disability-is-not-your-analogy/
And then, for kicks and giggles,  familiarize yourself with the term “fauxgressive.”

Comment #28: samanthab.  on  02/01  at  09:44 PM

A friend of mine is from here and she says going back to visit is like taking a trip to Mad Max land. The whole town has a post apocalyptic vibe.

Way tog o, Conservatives! You maanged to turn Colorado into the proving ground for your great Somalification of the US.

Comment #29: Keith  on  02/01  at  09:55 PM

The problem is the Republican shamans are never held accountable, the adverse effects are never properly pinned to the ridiculous ideas that spawned them, and the evil memes live on, transmitted like a virus from one place to another.

Put another way, they break the government, then tell everyone that government doesn’t work.

Comment #30: damnedyankee  on  02/01  at  09:55 PM

A liberal is a conservative who gets mugged?  So much for the party of law and order . . .

Comment #31: rea  on  02/01  at  10:12 PM

I briefly lived in Colorado Springs, and this is so not surprising. It’s a genuinely beautiful place, scenery-wise, but it’s incredibly unpleasant otherwise. Most of the development in the city in the last few decades has taken place along one long, congested boulevard, where it’s strip-mall after chain restaurant, over and over again, rinse, lather and repeat. It’s also an incredibly private place, not only in the sense of private property, but in the fact that unless you were someone’s relative or part of someone’s church, they wanted nothing to do with you. I’ve never lived in a place where people seemed less interested in their larger community, or in people different than then, than Colorado Springs. It’s a shame—before the religious right and the Orange County Republicans started showing up in the 1970s and the 1980s, the Springs was a really pleasant resort town, I’ve heard.

Now I live in Denver, just an hour to the north, and while this city has its own problems, it feels much, much different. People here actually vote to fund things: http://denverinfill.com/blog/2010/01/3-the-amazing-denver-voter.html

Comment #32: m. heurtebise  on  02/01  at  10:33 PM

I lived for a year in Colorado Springs, and it is really beautiful.  I am with you, heurtebise.  On the one hand I loved it, but on the other it was one of the most socially atomized places I ever lived in.  Very unfriendly people, and the influence of the fundies and the military was huge (lots of tatoo parlors, strip clubs, etc.). Back in 1991-92 they were already busy embroiled anti-gay ballot propositions, batshit conservative school board meddling in the curriculum, a witch hunt against alleged gay and lesbian teachers, out-of-control development and pre-teabagger popular anti-tax sentiment that contributed even more to the fracture of civil society, etc., rather than focusing on sustainable development, taking positive advantage of their abundant natural resources. That city had great potential, but sadly was a bellwether of what is now happening all over.

Comment #33: Kathy  on  02/01  at  10:55 PM

Pay all the city employees $24K a year, except for the department heads who get $250K, and the mayor, who gets $2 Mil. That would give them the right incentives.

But really, the obvious thing is to prioritize city services by who needs them. All the CEOs can hire their own damn security and fire protection, so calls to upper-income neighborhoods will no longer be answered. Oh, wait.

Comment #34: paul  on  02/01  at  11:14 PM

Wow - I was in Colorado Springs 5 years ago, and it was all growth, and go-go-go.  The desolate parts I saw were all around the toll road beltway-ing Denver to the newish airport.

Comment #35: idiosynchronic  on  02/01  at  11:15 PM

I think this has gone straight to #4. Look for a bunch of “It’s not so bad!” stories in the next couple of days.

From a commentator on Dana’s blog:

“So they can’t find anyone in city hall to cut? How about at the Dept. Of Recreation? Want me to go on? All leftists are liars, they cut what we want and need, not the bullshit they create. Such assholes.”

So you forgot 3.5 - “Leftist mayors are living it up on caviar and champagne and cutting services to taxpayers to pay for it!!!”

Comment #36: Phoenician in a time of Romans  on  02/01  at  11:22 PM

It seems to me that Bartolin is comparing city managers at a mid-level to his low-wage workers.  If he pays his managers at a $24,000 level then he must have one bad turnover problem. CS’s mayor and city council are part-timers paid $6,000 a year (the mayor gets an extra $250).  CS has a city manager who handles the day-to-day running of things. Their three main industries are defense/high tech; the military (Air Force Academy and bases) and tourism.  They are on the road to killing their tourism industry.

Comment #37: PurpleGirl  on  02/01  at  11:24 PM

I’ve never lived in a place where people seemed less interested in their larger community, or in people different than then, than Colorado Springs.

This is due to the highly transient nature of the population of Colospgs.

This problem has been brewing in the Springs for decades.

I grew up there, turned 18 in 1980 and left. I have never looked back.

For a very long time the city had an unpaid city council, I’m not sure but I believe it still does. As a result the only people willing to serve on the city council were wealthy real estate developers mostly from out of state.

The economy of the city is always on the downside of a boom bust cycle. I think the boom was the Pikes Peak Gold rush in the 1860s and it has been downhill ever since.

It is a beautiful city but has very little in the way of culture.

It is a physically beautiful city (at least the west side) with a large military presence.

The military is by nature very transient. The soldiers and airmen are stationed there for 3 or 6 year tours and leave.

It is in a beautiful physical setting with a large military hospital. As a result it is a haven for military retirees.

The poor economy and the large number of retired military in their late 40s and early 50s means there is little advancement opportunity in any career.

There is an old joke in town that if you want a job that does not involve saying “do you want fries with that” you need to be a retired Light Colonel.

Since at least 1975 the moment any young person with promise turns 18 they leave. A few might go to the University of Colorado in CS and then leave.

This means there are very few young adults in their 20s with any real ties to the city. I am almost 50 but I do understand that a city gets its vitality from the vibrancy of youth.

Then in the late 1980s the city actively attracted the religious community mostly for economic reasons. They thought the megachurches would provide jobs. They were wrong.

So you have a city with a highly transient population, a natural tendency for conservativeness due to the military presence, a very small number of ambitious and talented adults in their late 20s or early 30s and a huge influx of out-of-town religious lunatics.

Is there any real wonder there is no sense of civic pride or civic duty?

Comment #38: Colorado Dave  on  02/01  at  11:36 PM

What about Colorado College?  An excellent liberal arts college right there.  I can’t believe the students there aren’t pretty liberal.  But I guess they vote in their home states.

Comment #39: Susanne  on  02/01  at  11:43 PM

Phoenician: From a commentator on Dana’s blog:

“So they can’t find anyone in city hall to cut? Want me to go on? All leftists are liars, they cut what we want and need, not the bullshit they create. Such assholes.”

The clear implication being that the political leaders in the city of Colorado Springs are all “leftists,” who - of course - manipulate the city budget for sinister ulterior purposes.  Right.  When they hold elections there in Colorado Springs, leftists invariably get elected. 

You wouldn’t expect that in a town chock fulla wild-eyed right-wing Christer fanatics, but when they get into the voting booth, Satan takes hold of their wrists and makes them cast unconscionable votes.  In consequence, the current Mayor of Colorado Springs, for example, is a leftist, as were his predecessors.  The Colorado Springs City Commissioners or whatever they’ve got there are leftists.  Even the dog-catcher is a leftist.  The only non-leftist city manager is the Commissioner of Police, because as we all know, just like there are no atheists in foxholes, there are no leftists in Fort Apache.  And that’s why they’re laying off cops!!!1! 

This is very believable and makes perfect sense to me.

Comment #40: W. Kiernan  on  02/02  at  12:05 AM

rowmyboat @ #3:

Here in Nashville, where the mayor has recently let us all know that homelessness in not a government issue, my neighborhood has yet to be plowed after last Friday’s snow storm.  It seems like most of the roads that are clear, are so because people have driven on them and because it was above freezing today.

Yeah, I walked a few blocks down to the main road yesterday, which had been salted on Thursday IIRC, and was shocked to see big piles of snow & ice.  I don’t really expect most residential streets to get much attention here, partly because of the limited cold-weather resources, but also because there are too many breaks in the not-grid that make it tougher to move equipment efficiently.  I waited until 10am to go in this morning & it wasn’t too bad, although the only reason getting to the office itself (second highest hill in the downtown area) was relatively painless was because Metro’s doing a huge construction project at the Howard complex & the trucks had worn the ice away—that was a small but enjoyable bit of irony.

Comment #41: latts  on  02/02  at  12:06 AM

Isn’t Michelle Malkintented from Colorado Springs?  That must be one fucked-up cesspool.

Comment #42: Albert Cirrus  on  02/02  at  12:35 AM

A husband works for Focus on the Family and he gets laid off so the group can pay for anti-gay ads.  He and his wife get divorced for economic reasons.  Can FOTF then claim gays destroyed their marriage?

Comment #43: Albert Cirrus  on  02/02  at  12:38 AM

@21:

By “CS” I meant Colorado Springs.  Sorry I wasn’t clear.

Comment #44: Jake Squid  on  02/02  at  01:04 AM

I’m in Denver, but lived in COS for a few years. You are half right and half wrong.

The part you’re right about is not being willing to raise taxes. Way too many dont-tax-me-for-anything Republicans around.

The part you’re wrong about is that the city government really is a bloated mess. That isn’t $89k for middle management; that’s $89k AVERAGE. (By contrast, the Federal government average is something like $70k, and they use a lot more professional workers than COS does.) The city government is one huge incestuous ratnest of nepotism-for-your-friends hiring, juicy pensions, and sweetheart back-scratching deals.

It’s bullshit that they’re going to balance their budget on the backs of people who need light and garbage services instead of letting a few $100k/year “executive secretaries” go, but I can understand the reluctance of the locals to raise taxes. The money wouldn’t go into keeping the lights on; it would go into sweetening the pension fund so a few more of the mayor’s drinking buddies could have “jobs for life”.

It’s wild to realize that DENVER is way better governed.

Comment #45: Alkaloid  on  02/02  at  01:40 AM

Didn’t someone already mention that most city jobs in a town where the trash isn’t being picked up and the lawns aren’t watered and the lights aren’t on… Aren’t minimum wage?

What job for the city should be below 90K in Colorado Springs?

Comment #46: Crissa  on  02/02  at  02:55 AM

Broadmoor luxury resort chief executive Steve Bartolin wrote an open letter asking why the city spends $89,000 per employee, when his enterprise has a similar number of workers and spends only $24,000 on each.

Bartolin’s comparing apples and oranges.  I’ll bet that the $89,000 includes everything - salary, benefits, bonus, vacation, insurance - and that the workers who get his $24,000 is only salary and that Bartolin doesn’t give insurance, bonuses, vacations, etc….. and I wouldn’t be at all surprised if he pulls a WalMart and all of his employees are just less than full time, and that the turnover rate is enormous.

He’s being dishonest at best.  Not that I’m shocked.  Just one more I-got-mine-fuck-you-tone-deaf Republican businessman.

Comment #47: NobleExperiments  on  02/02  at  03:17 AM

No. You guys don’t understand. This isn’t a case of conservative government-haters hating on the noble workers of the city, oppressed under their banner of socialist toil.

The COS city government is a cabal of mostly Republican fat cats who shovel public money to one another. It’s not Chicago; people don’t turn up dead or mysteriously “move to Arizona”. But it’s not an honest city gummint doing its best. They’re dirty, dirty people.

I imagine the park maintenance people are perfectly nice folks. They’re not the ones in charge.

SURROUNDING THAT kernel of festering yuck, there are a bunch of putatively Christian Republicans who have their own flaws as human beings. If you guess that if we had a decent and responsive city government the pubs would still be uppity about taxes, you’d be right, but this time they’re right too.

Comment #48: Alkaloid  on  02/02  at  03:37 AM

I live in Colorado Springs.  Sadly, we’re the home of Doug Bruce, the man responsible for TABOR (and who, at least when I had the misfortune of meeting him, was convinced the city government was following him around and out to get him), and Focus on the Family, and enough dim-witted conservatives who fail to grasp that taxes are what pay for civilization.  We’re also the home of plenty of very nice people who desperately vote for civilization…and get out numbered at the polls by the dimwits.  Kind of like what happened in the entire country when W. got re-elected.

The city does not resemble something out of Mad Max, nor have I encountered wildly unfriendly people in the eight years I’ve lived here.  Granted, the conservatives may not be happy until it does resemble a post apocalyptic waste land.  I hope the disaffected decide to return to the polls and vote against the stupid anti-civilization crowd before that happens.

Even if they don’t, everyone who lives here does not deserve the results of the votes of the majority anymore than everyone in America deserved two terms of W. or deserves to not have universal health care.  You wouldn’t say that people in California don’t deserve to get married or have equal rights simply because the majority of those who voted decided that some of them don’t deserve those things.  At least I hope no one would.

I know people here aren’t very happy with the Springs’ government, particularly the money they spent to keep the Olympic Training Center here, but they’ve voted to screw everyone.  Voting people out off office would make sense, voting against having parks and police and street lights doesn’t.

Oh, and for an extra layer of awesome, there are people who have actually written to the paper demanding to know why the Pikes Peak Library District isn’t making cuts like the rest of the city.  Some bright person twenty or so years ago decided the local libraries should be their own tax entity…which is why I have a job and Colorado Springs isn’t about to lose their libraries along with everything else.  But I still can’t get over the fact that there are actually people angry that we aren’t losing more of our free public services.

It’s enough to make one hate humanity.

Comment #49: depizan  on  02/02  at  04:35 AM

I think we should force everyone who wants to get into politics at any level to play SimCity five hours a day for three months straight before they’re allowed to touch dollar one of anyone’s budget. Anyone who has ever played it for any meaningful length of time can tell you that when you slash taxes to the bone and fire all your cops, firemen, and sanitation workers, you wind up with a garbage city.

That game is a better model of how local budgetary politics actually works in the real world than anything the GOP could ever come up with in its wildest fever-dreams.

Comment #50: Dan, Grand High Emperor of Bananas Foster  on  02/02  at  06:00 AM

Hallelujah! Let us all celebrate the birth of Teabaggerstan! Go Galt, Teabaggers, Go Galt!

Comment #51: StarStorm  on  02/02  at  06:13 AM

More of computo-socialist demagogue Wil Wright’s liberofascist brainwashing!

Slant!

Bias!!!

Comment #52: Dan  on  02/02  at  06:24 AM

No but seriously, so when do Steve Bartolin’s employees kick his door in carrying pillowcases full of individually-wrapped bars of soap?

I mean what’s he going to do? Call the police?

Comment #53: Dan  on  02/02  at  06:26 AM

I imagine he will hire Blackwater.

Comment #54: StarStorm  on  02/02  at  06:36 AM

Mayor and City Council are part-time positions.  Pay peanuts, get monkeys.

Comment #55: Punditus Maximus  on  02/02  at  08:57 AM

SimCity is a prime example of embedded assumptions in models.  In this case, Taxes Are Evil And You Must Cut Them To Keep People Happy And Be Elected is part of the game.

Comment #56: Phoenician in a time of Romans  on  02/02  at  09:06 AM

The voters of very blue-state California (61% to 39% for Barack Obama over John McCain in November of 2008) voted, in May of 2009, by a nearly 2 to 1 margin, against Proposition 1A, a (supposedly) temporary tax increase to reduce (not eliminate) the state’s huge budget deficit.  Te Democrats campaigned for Prop 1A, the Republican Governator campaigned for 1A, the public unions and teachers unions campaigned for 1A, the newspapers supported it, but the arguments Amanda has made here, a version of which were blared all over the Pyrite State, didn’t sway the voters in the least.

The public were told, in advance, what kinds of things would have to be cut; it’s not like any of this was a mystery.  Yet, when the issue was put before the voters, they turned it down, by a wide margin.

It’s kind of difficult to blame this on us evil Reichwing Republicans, when a state as blue as California votes that way.

Comment #57: Dana  on  02/02  at  09:15 AM

The public were told, in advance, what kinds of things would have to be cut; it’s not like any of this was a mystery.  Yet, when the issue was put before the voters, they turned it down, by a wide margin.

Direct democracy, Dana, doesn’t recognise cause and effect.  You know this; you’re just being disingenuous in order to troll.

Comment #58: Phoenician in a time of Romans  on  02/02  at  09:18 AM

My favorite part of his letter is when he says a lot of his employees are seasonal. Clearly the answer to the city’s problems is to hire cops for the crime season and then let them go again. The fire fighters should also work on commission. If they save a building they get to loot it for all the goodies.  They could also privatize the traffic light system. Since the time of rich people is more important they should be able to pay for a green light. Same goes for the streetlights, you want to feel safe you put in your goddam quarter and pray the machine doesn’t eat it.  And when you think about it why should my taxes pay for your kid to be educated? They should all be home schooled and then that would keep the women out of the workspace. Obviously what Colorado needs is to go full on libertarian, its these pesky half measures that are the problem.

Comment #59: pharmakos  on  02/02  at  09:46 AM

The Phoenician wrote:

Direct democracy, Dana, doesn’t recognise cause and effect.  You know this; you’re just being disingenuous in order to troll.

It doesn’t even matter whether you think that “direct democracy” doesn’t recognize cause and effect, or if you think that the voters are stupid or that they took the wrong decision: that’s still part of democracy.  The people get what they voted for.

Comment #60: Dana  on  02/02  at  09:59 AM

Amanda, I’ll have to send you a link to my photoset of Katrina-ravaged New Orleans neighborhoods to provide the ultimate expression of this mentality.

5 years later and NOLA has yet to repair, replace, or even condemn and demolish most of its former public housing stock.

Which leaves the question lingering for the coming census: where did all these poor people go?

Comment #61: Ms Kate  on  02/02  at  10:12 AM

Actually, much of the damage is recorded on Google street view ... take a run down Gentilly ave toward Desire.

Comment #62: Ms Kate  on  02/02  at  10:13 AM

Wow - I was in Colorado Springs 5 years ago, and it was all growth, and go-go-go.

A high-grade neoplastic tumor will have the same philosophy.  It will then grow and spread from the edges while rotting from the inside of the original mass.

Comment #63: Ms Kate  on  02/02  at  10:16 AM

In this article on my site, from last November, we were talking with a gentleman who was a student at UC Davis, who was extremely displeased that his tuition was going way up.  My sympathy for him was somewhat limited, because his tuition was still significantly less than my daughter’s at Penn State, but that’s beside the point; when asked, he stated that yes, he had voted against Proposition 1A.  Told that state aid to the UC system would have to be cut if Prop 1A wasn’t passed, he still voted against it, and then combitched when his tuition was increased!

Everyone wants government services, yet it seems that everyone also wants someone else to pay for them.  Even President Obama ran on a platform of lower taxes for everyone making less than a quarter-million—his tax cut plan is still up on his campaign website, where he tells you how much more you’ll save with his plan vis a vis that of John McCain—and still promised significant spending increases, not even including his health care proposals.

Every presidential candidate since Ronald Reagan in 1980 has run on a platform of lower taxes, save one; Walter Mondale in 1984 said that he was going to raise taxes—and he carried one state.

Comment #64: Dana  on  02/02  at  10:38 AM

Punditus Maximus wrote:

Mayor and City Council are part-time positions.  Pay peanuts, get monkeys.

In Philadelphia, the mayor and city councilmen are (supposedly) full time, and the lowest paid councilman makes over $100,000 a year; please don’t think that things are any better in the City of Brotherly Love.

Comment #65: Dana  on  02/02  at  10:42 AM

But wait!  Let me just explain to you how this all works out.  See, the very rich business owners pay less in taxes.  That means they have more money to hire workers.  Of course, they’re so kind and generous that they’ll certainly use that money to hire more workers, even when there’s less demand for their product.  They would never spend that money in some selfish way, right?  So they have this extra money and they throw it at their workers out of the goodness of their hearts.  Then the unemployment rate goes down, tax revenues increase, and everybody is happy again because of the benevolent business owners who just want to give but can’t afford it because of heavy taxes.

Now, some sissy liberals would have you believe that helping out the middle class would allow a lot more people to become better consumers, and that would increase demand for business owners who would then have to hire more workers, but that would mean that non-rich people have some power, and that’s called Socialism(TM) or whatever scary buzzword is going around.  You know, Nazis and stuff and whatever sounds scary.  Hey, look over there - it’s someone being unpatriotic.  Pay no attention to the logical arguments being presented.

Comment #66: bananacat  on  02/02  at  11:02 AM

It’s kind of difficult to blame this on us evil Reichwing Republicans, when a state as blue as California votes that way.

Dana, either you don’t know or care that under the CA Constitution, tax increases of any sort must be approved by a 2/3rds majority of the electorate or the Legislature, which would account for the election results you cite.

This is not the case around the country, AFAIK.

Even in Red CA, we had a tax pass this requirement here in Tulare County a few years ago, but it was for a specific project that required funding, and the tax was removed after there was enough money for the project raised.

We have our share of nutty Republicans, combine that with the fact that some of them have safe seats due to the last redistricting which also gave the Democratic majority safe seats in the Legislature, and you have a formula for gridlock.

Learn a little more about CA than you got from one exchange from a young Californian, you can demonstrate that conservatives can learn from their mistakes contrary to popular belief.

Comment #67: Dark Avenger Guardian Chow Mein  on  02/02  at  11:17 AM

And when you think about it why should my taxes pay for your kid to be educated?

I know you’re being sarcastic but, sadly, some people actually feel this way.

Comment #68: bananacat  on  02/02  at  12:05 PM

The Dar Avenger wrote:

Dana, either you don’t know or care that under the CA Constitution, tax increases of any sort must be approved by a 2/3rds majority of the electorate or the Legislature, which would account for the election results you cite.

But the vote on Proposition 1A was almost 2/3 opposed to the tax increase: the voters rejected the tax increases by 3,152,141 to 1,668,216 (65.39% to 34.61%).  It wasn’t that the “yes” votes fell just short of 2/3, but that almost 2/3 voted against the increases.

Comment #69: Dana  on  02/02  at  12:13 PM

Dark Avanger, according to this map (from Wiki), Proposition 1A didn’t pass in even one single county.  Very blue, very liberal San Francisco voted it down!

Comment #70: Dana  on  02/02  at  12:17 PM

America wants to die.

Comment #71: wapsie  on  02/02  at  12:26 PM

The reasons Prop 1A didn’t pass are many; I don’t think you can just say 1A was a tax increase that got voted down. If you want to see the details of what was in the proposition, look here: http://www.ballotpedia.org/wiki/index.php/California_Proposition_1A_(May_2009)

It’s worth noting that 1A was voted on in a special election, which means the turnout was lower than it would have been otherwise. It’s also important to note that 1A had a ton of things in it; I’m a pretty well-educated person and I have to say that it’s quite hard for me to understand exactly what’s going on in that proposition or what kind of impact it would have had on the state. I conjecture that a not insignificant amount of votes against it came from people simply not understanding what it was supposed to do.

Also, 1A was a sort of constitutional amendment, so I don’t think it would have run up against the 2/3 criterion for raising taxes. I’m not sure about that last one though.

Comment #72: Jerry Vinokurov  on  02/02  at  12:36 PM

But wait!  Let me just explain to you how this all works out.  See, the very rich business owners pay less in taxes.  That means they have more money to hire workers.  Of course, they’re so kind and generous that they’ll certainly use that money to hire more workers, even when there’s less demand for their product.  They would never spend that money in some selfish way, right?  So they have this extra money and they throw it at their workers out of the goodness of their hearts.  Then the unemployment rate goes down, tax revenues increase, and everybody is happy again because of the benevolent business owners who just want to give but can’t afford it because of heavy taxes.

Well, ideally what is supposed to happen is that you’ve got companies with lots of money and they can all compete for superior talent.  Everyone needs a janitor, but if you’ve got 100 companies and only 50 good janitors, then companies will compete with progressively higher salaries and better benefits packages to get the guys that actually do a good job of cleaning.  Everyone else is left with the dregs or messy offices.

Likewise, if you want functional servers, you’ll be forced to shell out extra for competent IT staff.  If you want your books balanced, you’ll need to pay more to the superior accountants.  Etc, etc.  Companies with surplus cash but substandard talent will go around poaching skilled employees from less successful companies.

Of course, none of this really explores how liquid or fungible employees actually are.  None of it addresses training (retraining) costs or the price of hiring / firing or the myriad other reasons why employee populations don’t migrate like buffalo between corporate grazing fields.

The big problem with conservative economics is that it’s reduced to the intellectual level that conservatives can actually handle.  So it skips over a lot of nuance and brushes past serious problems.  And it leaves a lot of rubble in it’s wake.

Comment #73: Zifnab  on  02/02  at  12:37 PM

When are these assholes going to Go Galt or move to Somalia? (Although I’d hate to foist another country with our fundies. Maybe all the fundies from each religion can fight it out amongst themselves)

Comment #74: pitbullgirl65  on  02/02  at  12:41 PM

Thanks for clearing things up, Jerry, and it is historically true that special elections have had low turnouts, historically, in CA.

Also worthy of note that the initiative, the referendum, and the recall, were all put in place in CA due to the efforts of Hiram Johnson, whose stated goal with these three tools. was to make it impossible for a Democrat to be elected governor, although he himself was a Progressive Republican.

He succeeded to the point where we didn’t get a second Democrat into office until the early 60s, and you can still count the number of them on one hand.

But my point that we have had limited tax hikes even with the 2/3rds limitation in my area, so using CA as a model for the rest of the nation is fraught with perils.

Comment #75: Dark Avenger Guardian Chow Mein  on  02/02  at  12:53 PM

The public were told, in advance, what kinds of things would have to be cut; it’s not like any of this was a mystery.  Yet, when the issue was put before the voters, they turned it down, by a wide margin.

I think you’re vastly underestimating the extent to which we voters in California are sick and tired of the legislature and governor refusing to do their goddamned jobs and turning everything over to the voters.  Democrats and Republicans battled it out for six months, still couldn’t get anything done, and then tried to force voters to make the decision for them because writing laws is haaaaaarrrrd.

Prop 1A didn’t lose because people didn’t want to raise taxes.  It lost because most people realized that it was a temporary Band-Aid over a sucking chest wound that was actually going to make things worse in the long run because it would allow us to continue pretending that a few tweaks here and there were going to solve a 30-year-old deficit caused by Prop 13.

Comment #76: Mnemosyne  on  02/02  at  01:01 PM

Well, ideally what is supposed to happen is that you’ve got companies with lots of money and they can all compete for superior talent.  Everyone needs a janitor, but if you’ve got 100 companies and only 50 good janitors, then companies will compete with progressively higher salaries and better benefits packages to get the guys that actually do a good job of cleaning.

The problem with this reasoning is that business owners don’t really care about getting the best janitor.  They just want whichever janitor will do a sufficient job for the lowest pay.  For at least half of all jobs, employers only need someone who is good enough, and they don’t really need or want the best.

Comment #77: bananacat  on  02/02  at  01:05 PM

m. heurtebise @ 32:
Clearly you’ve never been to New England where my grandmother moved to CT in 1945 and is still considered one of the new folks though no longer an outsider.  Our neighbors in MA didn’t really talk to us for nearly a decade, except for the other “new” folks who had kids of like ages.

Comment #78: helen w. h.  on  02/02  at  01:18 PM

Well, this is disheartening news. I have been planning to move back to Colorado in a couple of years and C.S. has been on the list of possible cities since 1) I have friends there and 2) it’s beautiful and is a central location for me to see family and friends, and 3) it has been growing so job opportunities seemed positive. I wonder if it will be a good place to live anymore.

(Conservative ties aside, it does have a large liberal population, too. Plus mountains, sunshine, lots of festivals and outdoor activities, and a vibrant down town make it appealing.)

Comment #79: Olivia  on  02/02  at  01:54 PM

re Dana @ 64:
I voted in my 1st USPres election in ‘84.  I voted for Mondale for 2 reasons - We needed to raise taxes and he had the guts to say so, and to say I hated Reagan would have been like saying the sun is a little warm.  I had lived in CA for a few years as a child, so I hated RR long before he became POTUS.

Comment #80: helen w. h.  on  02/02  at  02:05 PM

Hmmm…  California’s total population is 36,961,664.  Out of which 4,820,357 people voted on 1A
So my public education shows that 13% of the population bothered to vote.

That gives me 8.25% of California voted against raising taxes.  Hardly the 2/3 against that you try and statistically pass of as anti-taxing.

“There are lies, damned lies, and statistics,”  Mark Twain

Comment #81: cynickal  on  02/02  at  02:30 PM

cynickal:  lies, damned lies and statistics indeed!  Your statemen carries with it te assumption that, had everybody who was eligible to vote actually voted, the outcome would have been different.

To my way of thinking, everyone who is eligible to vote, votes: those who don’t bother to cast a ballot are, in effect, agreeing with the plurality of those who do vote, agreeing to let other people take their decisions for them.

Comment #82: Dana  on  02/02  at  03:03 PM

Wow, I think about having a splurgey weekend at the Broadmoor someday, but now I think I’ll pass. Though I’d venture to guess that resorts all over the country get away with paying their workers like crap and making them stay at part-time status, but there’s bound to be some with CEOs who don’t brag about it.
To Susanne’s question, Colorado College is small enough that I doubt it has any effect on election results, leftist professors and all. And many, if not most, students are from out of state, or at least out of town, and are likely too busy enjoying the playground that is their backyard, or taking 3-week intensive classes, to vote in municipal elections.

The trouble is, what’s done in Colorado cannot be undone without a heckuva lot of work. Our TABOR amendment (to the state constitution; the Springs has its own TABOR law, too) isn’t going anywhere for at least a few more years. The best chance of modifying it involves the following simple steps:
1. The Legislature passes a bill to refer a ballot measure to voters in the Nov. 2010 election.
2. That ballot measure asks voters to approve the creation of a special council to study the state’s fiscal situation and come up with one or more ballot proposals to rectify the situation. Those ballot proposals are specially exempted from the state’s single-subject amendment law (passed in the wake of TABOR, requiring that all statutory or constitutional amendments on the ballot can address only a single subject).
3. That council is formed, following guidelines for bipartisan, statewide representation, etc. etc.
4. The council spends a year studying the fiscal situation and agrees(!) on ballot measures to send to the voters.
5. Those ballot measures are voted on by the people in 2012.

Piece of cake.

Colorado is an incredible state, truly…but I’m really worried about where we’ll be in five years.

Comment #83: Shiny  on  02/02  at  03:42 PM

@samanthab.

Huh? If you’re addressing something in particular, be direct, not cute about it.

And if you want me to unpack an analogy, I’ll be happy to. Rereading my comments, I am completely comfortable with what I said.

Comment #84: humanadverb  on  02/02  at  03:57 PM

PiatoR:

SimCity is a prime example of embedded assumptions in models. In this case, Taxes Are Evil And You Must Cut Them To Keep People Happy And Be Elected is part of the game.

Hardly. The assumption in SimCity is that taxation rates have a sweet spot, and anything much higher or lower than that will result in either stagnation or flight. Go ahead, try it out. At the very beginning of the game, move your tax rate out of the 6-8% range and leave it there. Higher or lower, it doesn’t matter. You won’t get very far either way.

Comment #85: Dan, Grand High Emperor of Bananas Foster  on  02/02  at  04:24 PM

OK, first of all, Utah is NOT in the midwest.

You start talking about the nutball capital of the midwest and I start thinking you’re looking in my direction, seeing as how Chicago is a World Class City and actually located in the midwest.

Daley tried ‘cost cutting’ wrt snow last year.  Main streets would be plowed, but side streets would only be plowed from 8-5. No overtime for side streets.  It was going to take a few extra days.

The city made menacing grumbling sounds.

It snowed.

The citizens make extremely menacing sounds, so much so that even though he wasn’t facing an election soon, Daley reversed himself during the storm and put the snowplows back on the streets full time.

Now he’s playing games from the other side…snowplows will still run, but instead of paying the unionized drivers all year, as per their contracts, he’s going to lay them off if there’s no snow and just pay them a few hours here and there.  Like a 2 hour work week if there’s no snow.

The whole point of hiring the drivers full time is that they are there when you need them.  If you don’t pay them, then they have to get other jobs.

They will strike, contract negotiation be damned.  The big thing Chicago cares about is getting the fucking snow off the streets.  It’s why we have Minnesota strength removal equipment when it doesn’t really snow that much—not every year at least. 

I’m fully expecting Daley to privitize snow removal, just like he did the parking meters.  Cause that works so damn well.

I just don’t really understand the GOP.  The highest standards of living are in countries with high tax rates.  Taxes pay for services like schools, police, fire—which are rather essential to civilization.  How many CO Springs will it take for people to understand if you want nice things, you need to pay for them?  And that paying for them piecemeal and person-by-person is ineffective, especially for a society overall.

Comment #86: Caren-Sun-blocking Creator of Animorphic Pancakes  on  02/02  at  04:43 PM

I think we should force everyone who wants to get into politics at any level to play SimCity five hours a day for three months straight before they’re allowed to touch dollar one of anyone’s budget.

You’ll just get politicians whose policies revolve around building arcologies and unleashing spider robots on them.

Comment #87: dayraven  on  02/02  at  04:59 PM

The voters of very blue-state California (61% to 39% for Barack Obama over John McCain in November of 2008) voted, in May of 2009, by a nearly 2 to 1 margin, against Proposition 1A, a (supposedly) temporary tax increase to reduce (not eliminate) the state’s huge budget deficit.

Ah yes, the temporary tax increase with the permanent spending cap.

I voted against that—I voted against a Constitutional spending cap.

Comment #88: James  on  02/02  at  08:51 PM

I guess Colorado Springs has really gone down the toilet ever since Michelle Malkin moved there.

Comment #89: Tommykey  on  02/02  at  09:13 PM

Dana, oddly enough, noted the problem precisely.  In 1980, Ronald Reagan promulgated the lie that you don’t have to pay taxes to get government services.  His success in promulgating this lie had the predictable consequences we are currently facing.

Comment #90: Punditus Maximus  on  02/02  at  10:53 PM

“You’ll just get politicians whose policies revolve around building arcologies and unleashing spider robots on them. “
I’d vote for them!

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