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Snapshots in wingnut psychology

I briefly mentioned this in my post from earlier today, but Atrios said something similar, so I thought I’d flesh it out a bit.  (Just a bit; taking off to do some book-writing tonight.) 

I’ve written before that I think part of the problem that conservatives/Republicans face is that their mythology has become a bit too complex for mere mortals (people who don’t listen to Limbaugh and read The Corner obsessively) to comprehend. They reference rogues’ gallery of enemies and various “bad things” that most people have never heard of. Simply trying to navigate through the various wingnutty minefields while throwing out the appropriate red meat has become difficult to do, and the result is incomprehensible to most of the country.

Volcano monitoring! High speed rail!

I said something similar last night after the speech to Marc—-the amount of code language that Republicans have to use to communicate their ideas is getting so thick as to be incomprehensible.  Even in 2004, when Bush was talking about Dred Scott during a debate as a way to hint at his extreme anti-choice views without coming out and saying it, things were better.  Soon it’s going to be so bad that they’ll have to give their speeches entirely with “You knows” and hand gestures.  Conservatives have a major issue.  The reason they feel under attack is that the dominant values of the country are officially liberal—-it’s bad to be racist, sexist, or homophobic, it’s bad to suggest poor people are subhuman, etc.  Couple that with the perception, often correct, that the actual dominant values of the country are sexist, racist, homophobic, anti-poor, etc.  (Though less so all the time.)  People don’t like to be thought of as sexist or racist, but they want to hang onto their beliefs, and Republicans need to communicate with those people.  But how to do it without coming out and saying it? 


Two ways: proxies and euphemism.  Right wing talk radio show hosts get more ability to come out and state openly vile beliefs,* so Republican politicians don’t have to.  Republican politicians have to refer to those beliefs without offending the swing voters who might not be as crazy and hateful as the base.  Thus, they employ euphemisms like “Dred Scott”, “law and order”, “pro-life”, “big government”—-fill in your own.

The problem with euphemism is one that language-speaking, taboo-having humans (i.e., all of us) have struggled with forever.  It’s that euphemisms, over time, stop being euphemisms and instead directly denote the thing previously alluded to.  For instance, words like “water closet” and “toilet” were euphemisms for the commode, but now they denote the thing itself.  “Going to powder my nose” is a way of saying straight up that you need to take a piss.  “Making love” is another example, as is “sleeping together”.  I’d say the main reason wingnut mythology gets increasingly complex is that as each euphemism for an odious belief becomes denotative, they need to shift gears a little.  Mere mortals can’t keep up.  We, after all, aren’t being fed a daily diet of right wing talk radio to make the connections for us. 

Knowing this, the strategy for liberals (one that Obama has embraced) is to be as straightforward and bullshit-free as possible.  We’ve got the high moral ground, so no need to be ashamed of it.  Obama avoided euphemism last night, and spoke plainly, and that just made Jindal’s nonsensical nudge-nudge speech seem even more obtuse.  The contrast couldn’t have been better.

*Though for some reason, the believe they deserve to be considered not sexist or racist.  Hilarity ensues.  Hilarity like Limbaugh’s puzzlement at why more women don’t listen to his show.  He doesn’t officially hate women!  Just unofficially!  They should accept his bullshit on face value, because women are stupid, right?

 

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Posted by Amanda Marcotte on 09:47 PM • (78) Comments

Mmm - I kept wondering, from an outsider’s perspective, what the hell was all the big deal about “immigration” until I twigged.

Comment #1: Phoenician in a time of Romans  on  02/25  at  09:55 PM

Fascinating. It’s like right wingers are now Battlestar Galactica fans and everyone else has never seen the show. They’re trying to compare the stimulus plan to the Cylon occupation of New Caprica and no one knows what the hell they’re talking about.

Comment #2: Michael Clear  on  02/25  at  10:05 PM

I just want to know, what the hell does everyone have against volcano monitoring?  WE SHOULD BE MONITORING VOLCANOES.  THEY CAN EXPLODE AND SPEW LAVA EVERYWHERE.

I mean, sheesh.

Comment #3: LauraB  on  02/25  at  10:13 PM

As Digby said, conservatives have created a sub-culture.  Like Amanda said, they communicate in code only their base understands.  I really noticed this during the Republican Convention—it’s like they’ve created this weird parallel universe where everyone lives in a suburb in Wingnut Land and speaks wingnutspeak.  It’s bizarre and enough to cause vertigo to those living in reality.

Comment #4: Cat Ion  on  02/25  at  10:21 PM

Laura, this is what I say:
Jindal lives in a state that doesn’t know what mountains look like. Of course he sees volcano monitoring as wasteful. However, the people who live in Hawaii, Alaska, Washington, Oregon, California, and anywhere near Yellowstone National Supervolcano just might want to know if they need to evacuate.

Comment #5: Samantha Vimes  on  02/25  at  10:37 PM

Is there a single source where the euphemisms and their real meanings are listed?

Comment #6: futureshock  on  02/25  at  10:41 PM

You can see Euphemism Creep with the recent complaint from a fundamentalist that it was unfair and biased to uuse phrases like “religious right” and “moral majority”...even though those were invented by the people who called themselves that.

Comment #7: KeithM  on  02/25  at  10:43 PM

Volcano monitoring was another way to bash academics and scientists, who are assumed not to work real jobs.  Never mind that most people who think this probably couldn’t survive a day of data-crunching that scientists have to routinely do.

Comment #8: Amanda Marcotte  on  02/25  at  10:47 PM

Thus, they employ euphemisms like “Dred Scott”, “law and order”, “pro-life”, “big government”—-fill in your own.

“Pro-family.”

It’s amazing how many of those are products of southern strategy appeals to racism: Law and Order (not exclusively about race—also about the hippies and anti-war protesters, but largely about the urban riots of the 1960s), big government (damned welfare!). Toss in “reverse discrimination” and “quotas” and whitey is pissed off!

Then screw the women and queers with “pro-life” and “pro-family” and their idiotic “Dred Scott” nonsense, which also diminishes actual problems of race by associating the suffering of living humans with blobs of cells.

Comment #9: MAJeff, the God of Biscuits  on  02/25  at  11:10 PM

As the GOP’s odious behavior has become purers and ever more obvious, they’ve have to shift euphemisms at an ever-increasing rate. We can only hope that sometime soon they will reach a singularity where every sentence disavows the code words that started it and introduces new ones to be disavowed by the next.

Comment #10: paul  on  02/25  at  11:22 PM

You can see Euphemism Creep with the recent complaint from a fundamentalist that it was unfair and biased to uuse phrases like “religious right” and “moral majority”...even though those were invented by the people who called themselves that.

Yup. You beat me to it but it’s the exact same thought I had when reading about this.

Comment #11: UltraMagnus  on  02/25  at  11:31 PM

Laura, this is what I say:
Jindal lives in a state that doesn’t know what mountains look like. Of course he sees volcano monitoring as wasteful. However, the people who live in Hawaii, Alaska, Washington, Oregon, California, and anywhere near Yellowstone National Supervolcano just might want to know if they need to evacuate.
Samantha Vimes on 02/25 at 08:37 PM

Yeah, but you’d think that if you’re going to pick something as an example of government waste, you’d choose something less freaking terrifying than exploding mountains, no?  I mean, honestly, there has to be something else in that stimulus bill that’s a better example of “Do We Really Need To Spend Money On This Right Now?”  Because your average person, I bet, is going to think, “You know what?  Exploding mountains, let’s look out for that.  Because that shit is horrifying.  Seems like something we should be on top of.”

I would like to personally declare my support for volcano monitoring (and I don’t live in an active area).  If I’m going to be buried in molten rock, I’d at least like the courtesy of a head start.

Comment #12: LauraB  on  02/25  at  11:32 PM

They’re trying to compare the stimulus plan to the Cylon occupation of New Caprica and no one knows what the hell they’re talking about.

What an astoundingly perfect analogy!  I don’t know what the hell you’re talking about! wink

Comment #13: damnedyankee  on  02/25  at  11:43 PM

I used to live in Portland, OR so the idea that “volcano monitoring” is frivolous is sort of lost on me.  I mean, jeez, Mount Fucking St. Helens is close by.  It seems like the kind of thing that should be monitored, you know. 

But, Portland is in a blue state so I can see how Jindal wouldn’t give a shit.

Comment #14: Cat Ion  on  02/26  at  12:15 AM

If things keep going this way, this will be a typical conversation between conservatives:

“Darmok and Jalad at Tanagra.”

“Shaka, when the walls fell.”

Comment #15: Michael Clear  on  02/26  at  12:21 AM

Yeah, Cat Ion, but Alaska is red, and Mt. Redoubt is near Anchorage.

As both a Pacific Northwesterner, and someone with a science degree, I’m offended by both the literal interpretation and the coded slam on scientists.

And, seriously, there has to have been some basic science funded in the stimulus bill. He couldn’t have criticized something that hasn’t been directly proven to save lives?

Comment #16: Av0gadro  on  02/26  at  12:29 AM

does it remind anyone else of Thieves Cant?

thieves cant is a made-up not-language used in Dungeons and Dragons (and actually, lots of other role-playing games) to explain how thieves and fences and such are able to actually set things up. every thief (play character class) knows it automatically, and its generally described as being all slang (like the word fence was a slang word, a fence is a person who sells stolen goods…) and so its spoken in whatever the language of the region is, but is all slang…

and the GOP totally reminds me of the Thieves Guild…

this comment started as a joke, but i’m not joking anymore.

Comment #17: denelian  on  02/26  at  12:32 AM

LauraB:

“You know what?  Exploding mountains, let’s look out for that.  Because that shit is horrifying.  Seems like something we should be on top of.”

Or not, as the case may be.

Comment #18: XtinaS  on  02/26  at  12:34 AM

Also, Mt. Rainier is pretty, but I’d miss my sister an awful lot if it destroyed Seattle and Renton. Oh, also the other 3.2 million people. I mean, Pompeii was fun to visit, but I wouldn’t want my family to live there.

Comment #19: Av0gadro  on  02/26  at  12:34 AM

har har, Xtina.  : )

Comment #20: LauraB  on  02/26  at  12:36 AM

I think “volcano-monitoring” as a code for “We hate scientists” is just sad. They could’ve gone for “monitoring fish populations” or “measuring rabbit penii” or “testing velocity of European swallows” or something. Something to let the idjits go “Har har, rabbit winkies.”

Instead, they went with something that made everyone, including the idjits, say, “Wait, wait, why don’t the Republicans want us monitoring volcanoes? Are they crazy?”

Epic, epic fail.

Comment #21: Scott  on  02/26  at  12:51 AM

Science and knowledge? Hell, why would we want to pay money for any of THAT? We got the Good Book and that’s good enough for me.

Comment #22: BlackBloc  on  02/26  at  12:56 AM

“If things keep going this way, this will be a typical conversation between conservatives:

“Darmok and Jalad at Tanagra.”

“Shaka, when the walls fell.”

Nah that result in the Conservatives making sense all the time. Clearly impossible.

Comment #23: tootiredoftheright  on  02/26  at  01:10 AM

Excellent observation, Amanda.  Another reason for the increase in euphemism and code is that the GOP is undergoing a huge internal struggle for power, and that struggle for internal power is actually more important to the Party than the general struggle for political power.  The need to use more code in order to establish their legitimacy in the succession/supremacy fight, and in order to insure that their faction gains control.

Comment #24: Pesto  on  02/26  at  01:12 AM

Euphemism creep—is that like how “family” and “values” used to mean “family” and “values,” but now it means “we’re entitled to stick our noses into your bedroom and otherwise micromanage everyone else’s sex life—and we expect everybody to pay for the privilege through their taxes, although we’re ostensibly anti-tax?”? That euphemism creep?

Comment #25: Molly, NYC  on  02/26  at  01:15 AM

“Darmok and Jalad at Tanagra.”

“Shaka, when the walls fell.”

Please tell me I’m not the only one who immediately got that.

Comment #26: Ruby  on  02/26  at  01:20 AM

Don’t worry, Ruby, I’m with you.

Comment #27: Tyro  on  02/26  at  01:28 AM

Something else that’s creepy about Jindal—his whole life is about valuing “go with the flow” over all else. Has a perfectly nice Indian name—changes it to “Bobby.” Raised Hindi—switches to the majority religion in his region. Gets a better-than-decent science education (Biology degree from Brown, IIRC)—drops it for creationism, exorcism and similar boogety-boogety. 

Substituting other people’s consensus for actual thought makes him a perfect Republican, of course. I can see why he’s their fair-haired boy just now.

Comment #28: Molly, NYC  on  02/26  at  01:32 AM

I got it too, Ruby.  Excellent reference, Michael Clear.  Takes me back to my days as a Trekkie…

Comment #29: Sam Holloway  on  02/26  at  01:50 AM

Volcano monitoring was another way to bash academics and scientists, who are assumed not to work real jobs.

I read it mainly as a dog-whistle to Dixie, since volcanos are clearly signs of the continuing wrath of God against the sodomite left coast. Hurricanes and tornados are what get visited on Red America (though mainly on sodomite cities like Miami and New Orleans).

Still, I do think that there’s a weird wingnut fixation on the supposed uselessness of primary scientific research, which is tied into the idea that their take on the world is top-down (‘cause the Bible tells me so) rather than bottom-up. That’s why they mistakenly treat The Origin of Species as if it’s a competing religious text, instead of a narrative account based upon years of assessing specimens that can be subject to revision when new evidence is gathered. Remember Palin and her line on fruit flies?

Comment #30: pseudonymous in nc  on  02/26  at  01:58 AM

NEW Caprica?  What happened to the old one?  What have I missed??????

Comment #31: seeker6079  on  02/26  at  02:14 AM

Ruby, I got it too.  Huge Paul Winfield fan.

Comment #32: seeker6079  on  02/26  at  02:15 AM

or “testing velocity of European swallows” or something.

That’s fucking insane.  Everybody knows that the real science is in studying African swallows.

Comment #33: seeker6079  on  02/26  at  02:17 AM

Ruby - Yep, I got it too.  I feel a little sad now.

Comment #34: Mireille  on  02/26  at  02:20 AM

I got the Star Trek reference and so did my Nigel!

Comment #35: KMTBERRY  on  02/26  at  02:42 AM

NEW Caprica?  What happened to the old one?  What have I missed??????

SPOILER ALERT SPOILER ALERT SPOILER ALERT

Nukes, man.  Nukes.

SPOILER ALERT SPOILER ALERT SPOILER ALERT

Comment #36: Jrod  on  02/26  at  03:12 AM

Ooooh fuuuuccccck nooooooooo, Jrod!  I just invested in tons of property with variable rate mortgages there!

There is a sixth Cylon.  And he is a banker.

Comment #37: seeker6079  on  02/26  at  03:43 AM

Umm Thieves Cant actually existed through much of history. At the very least there is normally slang and jargon that develops among full-time criminals. But in various times and places it really did amount to a seperate dialect - including 19th century England.

Comment #38: Gar Lipow  on  02/26  at  04:14 AM

Well, the wingnut psychology seems to have worked on at least one person: David Brody, “White House Correspondent” for the Christian Broadcasting Network.

But they’re going to need to broaden their message beyong the anti-science fundiegelical crowd if they want to win any future elections.

Comment #39: SouthernBeale  on  02/26  at  04:27 AM

“does it remind anyone else of Thieves Cant?

thieves cant is a made-up not-language used in Dungeons and Dragons (and actually, lots of other role-playing games) to explain how thieves and fences and such are able to actually set things up. every thief (play character class) knows it automatically, and its generally described as being all slang (like the word fence was a slang word, a fence is a person who sells stolen goods…) and so its spoken in whatever the language of the region is, but is all slang…”

Rotwelsch in German, Argot I think in French and there is perhaps a english parallel.
One could argue that Yiddish started out as the language of a sub-culture too.

And the president is a Trekkie too!

Comment #40: _IM_  on  02/26  at  05:37 AM

Subcultures are a strenght of political parties.

Once upon a time , most german parties relied on subcultures: socialist working class, chatolic and so on.
But as our catholic party found out, that is a drawback too: It was called Zentrumsturm. A turm is a tower and tower can mean fortress but also prison.

So the republicans keep theier 35% stable and keep the rest out.

Comment #41: _IM_  on  02/26  at  05:41 AM

OMG guys I’m just starting to watch BSG from the beginning, can we not post about it in threads that aren’t about it?  For fucks sake.

Comment #42: Denise  on  02/26  at  06:28 AM

“thieves cant is a made-up not-language used in Dungeons and Dragons (and actually, lots of other role-playing games) to explain how thieves and fences and such are able to actually set things up.”

Actually criminal groups have had their own made up language throughout history. The Thugee cult had one, The Irish Travellers have the Shelta Cant. Gypsies were using Cant too. It’s a real fracking thing that criminal societies used to do to disguse their activities. Prisoners used to do it as well to disguse their escape plans and keep things from the guards.

Cant means secret language. Lots of secret societies have their own argot.

The Dungeons and Dragons Thieves cant is based on British real life criminal underworld speak from the middle ages and on up to the late 18th century.

http://www.gutenberg.org/etext/5402 actually has a published dictionary of Cant and slang in 1811 .

Comment #43: tootiredoftheright  on  02/26  at  07:57 AM

Cant means secret language. Lots of secret societies have their own argot.

So, when late 19th-early 20th century British writers (it just seems to me that I’d read this almost interchangably in Shaw, HG Wells, Kipling, or Conrad) spoke of “empty cant” in politics, they were in fact, originally, whenever they started saying that, very bluntly comparing disingenuous political speech coded in euphemism and allusion to the scheming of thieves?

They were saying the same thing as Amanda is now, then.

Takes me back to my days as a Trekkie…

Just last night, I saw the episode “Datalore” for the first time ever.

So I have one thing to say to you, Sam Holloway.

And that’s:

“Hrrmph!”

Comment #44: Mark Foxwell  on  02/26  at  08:49 AM

Volcano monitoring was another way to bash academics and scientists, who are assumed not to work real jobs.

Speaking as a geologist, the only more dangerous job in the science is possibly mine geology (where the geologist face the same dangers as miners).  This is a specialty where risk of death is considered part of the job and where people do die.

Jeez, someone should sit Jindal for a marathon of repeated showings of <i>Volcano<.i>.  No, not because he’ll learn anything realistic from it, I just want him to suffer through that piece of shit like I had to.

Comment #45: KeithM  on  02/26  at  08:51 AM

“Shaka, when the walls fell.”

Y’know, I think the internet communicates this way a lot of times; in memes. We have a one that means the same thing as this: FAIL.

Comment #46: KMac  on  02/26  at  09:07 AM

Being a simple soul, most of this discussion went way over my head, I remain clueless as to, “Darmok and Jalad at Tanagra.” and “Shaka, when the walls fell.”  I don’t find it mentioned in the “Good Book” so I am unconcerned with my ignorance in this area of whatever it is.

“Dog whistles to Dixie,” I get that and will come everytime to the evangelically correct whistle.  For the simple soul, it really is very simple, science vs. the Bible.  Thank you blackbloc and southern beale for pointing out the only thing that really matters.  It’s a no brainer, at least in Gods country, the real America.  God Bless her, or is it really a him?

Comment #47: knowdoubt  on  02/26  at  09:16 AM

Can I also point out that the use of coded language is significant tactic of cults? Don’t know if anyone has mentioned that yet.

Comment #48: SouthernBeale  on  02/26  at  09:26 AM

1.  “OMG guys I’m just starting to watch BSG from the beginning, can we not post about it in threads that aren’t about it?  For fucks sake. ” 
Nobody tell Denise about Lincoln’s visit to the theatre!

2.  Southernbeale is a heretic!  Southernbeale is a heretic!  Kill the unbeliever!  Follow the way of the language of the shoe!

Comment #49: seeker6079  on  02/26  at  10:12 AM

Being a simple soul, most of this discussion went way over my head, I remain clueless as to, “Darmok and Jalad at Tanagra.” and “Shaka, when the walls fell.” I don’t find it mentioned in the “Good Book” so I am unconcerned with my ignorance in this area of whatever it is.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Darmok

Comment #50: Michael Clear  on  02/26  at  10:29 AM

“Please tell me I’m not the only one who immediately got that. “

You’re not alone.  That’s one of my favorite episodes.

Comment #51: Gypsy Lee  on  02/26  at  10:40 AM

” spoke of “empty cant””

Empty cant is still used today. https://www.melbourne.anglican.com.au/main.php?pg=news&news_id=6927&s;=

Seems to be still used by European and Australian writers.

Comment #52: tootiredoftheright  on  02/26  at  10:58 AM

“http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Darmok “

A much better link is http://rec.horus.at/trek/lists/darmok.html which has the language text and even provides a translation.

Of course I take issue with the fact the author doesn’t understand that due to the Universal Translator having such a high degree of accuracy and basically able to flawlessly translate hundreds of thousands of languages, the Federation doesn’t have lot of linguists or language experts. Nor why Data said the Tamarians were egotiscal. It’s because they know what is being said to them due to their translators but they refuse to speak another language due to their egos.

Comment #53: tootiredoftheright  on  02/26  at  11:07 AM

Southernbeale is a heretic!  Southernbeale is a heretic!  Kill the unbeliever!  Follow the way of the language of the shoe!

LOL .. .Okay, that was a dog whistle of a different stripe. Hilarious.

Comment #54: SouthernBeale  on  02/26  at  11:36 AM

I think this may be the geekiest thread I’ve ever seen at Pandagon.  It hits the geek trifecta - Star Trek, Dungeons and Dragons and Monty Python and the Holy Grail.  Toss in some gratuitous new-BSG and even a Life of Brian reference and man, it even seems fully self-referential.  I’m not sure many non-geeks could really get most of what this thread talks about. smile

—TP in UT

Comment #55: The_Plebe  on  02/26  at  11:36 AM

Between the game references, the complaints about spoilers, BSG jokes, and a Monty Python reference, this thread wins for “Geekiest Thread Under A Post About Non-Geek Stuff”.

Comment #56: Amanda Marcotte  on  02/26  at  11:39 AM

Please tell me I’m not the only one who immediately got that.

Oh, we got it.  We were just too ashamed to admit we got it.

I remember those guys most from the game “Birth of the Federation”...

Comment #57: Phoenician in a time of Romans  on  02/26  at  11:50 AM

it’s bad to suggest poor people are subhuman,

“Are there no workhouses?!!eleventy-one?!”

Everyone loves Scrooge!  Wait…they don’t love him until he stops being a conservative and starts being a liberal?  Shit.

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Ruby, no worries.  I thought that episode was an interesting idea: they could decode the word definition, but not the connotation, but poorly executed, although I’m not sure how to do it better.

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Denise, no real spoilers have been posted.
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I really would like someone to continue to monitor the Yellowstone Caldera.  It explodes ~600,000 years, and last exploded over 640,000 years ago.  Ash 6 feet thick as far away as Chicago, not to mention a buncha red states all gone kablooey.

Good to know what’s going on there.

But only if you value knowledge.  If you think more facts are good, then you live in a reality-based world and are a stinking liberal.  If you just want to follow an authoritarian with a book of ‘facts’ over 2000 years old, then you are a proper God-fearin’ red-blooded American, and God would never blow you up. 

Unless you think about the homosex.  Then he most definitely will.

Comment #58: Caren-Sun-blocking Creator of Animorphic Pancakes  on  02/26  at  11:56 AM

It hits the geek trifecta - Star Trek, Dungeons and Dragons and Monty Python and the Holy Grail.

Wait, wouldn’t Lord of the Rings be higher in the *cough* Geek Pantheon than D&D;?

Comment #59: Nobody in Particular  on  02/26  at  12:37 PM

What KeithM said.  Vulcanology is easily in the top three most dangerous sciences.  It’s also one of the ones with the greatest potential to prevent needless deaths in natural disasters.  Vulcanologists saved hundreds of lives when Mt St Helens blew up thanks to warnings that something big was about to happen.

Jindal lives in Louisiana for fuck’s sake.  Would he mock Hurricane monitoring?  Probably, given his insane demon infested worldview where god reaches down and smites people via means that just coincidentally look like they are the result of natural forces operating according to intelligible laws and which could in principle be understood and predicted ahead of time.  That, however, would permit two great offenses against Faith:  it would spare the sinners and it would validate the non-insane worldview of the infidels.

This is a guy who claims to have participated in the casting out of a demon.  He can predict volcanic eruptions by simply sniffing the air for signs of buttsecks.

Comment #60: togolosh  on  02/26  at  12:52 PM

For a post about how wingnuts use coded language, this comment thread certainly has a lot of…coded language. I suppose the difference is that geekspeak isn’t generally used to promote political agendas. In fact, it usually ensures the death of them. Obama keeps his Klingon dictionary well concealed.

Comment #61: the matthew show  on  02/26  at  12:56 PM

I thought ‘powder my nose’ was a euphemism for ‘go do cocaine in the bathroom’. Might be time to listen to less booty bass and DJ mixes.

Comment #62: Colin  on  02/26  at  01:34 PM

Wait, wouldn’t Lord of the Rings be higher in the *cough* Geek Pantheon than D&D;?

Yes.

This has been another edition of Simple Answers To Stupid Questions.

Comment #63: Phoenician in a time of Romans  on  02/26  at  01:53 PM

Jindal lives in Louisiana for fuck’s sake.  Would he mock Hurricane monitoring?

In light of the way he’s handling other benefits for Louisiana citizens, I’m guessing yes.

Comment #64: Molly, NYC  on  02/26  at  02:00 PM

For a post about how wingnuts use coded language, this comment thread certainly has a lot of…coded language.

The problem is when you’re a political party which is trying to continue to exist within the mainstream of national politics, and you get your Poster Boy Of The Moment on national prime-time TV to give an official rebuttal of a speech by the President of the US, and all he does is fart out cant/dog whistles/whatever you want to call it.  To the point that all but a very small minority of Americans even understand what he’s talking about.  I mean, it’s like he got on camera and spoke Hmong.  Cool for the very tiny minority of Americans who speak that particular language, but everyone else will think it’s gibberish.

Comment #65: The Opoponax  on  02/26  at  02:04 PM

“I remember those guys most from the game “Birth of the Federation”…”

Why? They were a minor race that didn’t really do anything in the game.

Comment #66: tootiredoftheright  on  02/26  at  02:16 PM

“wouldn’t Lord of the Rings be higher in the *cough* Geek Pantheon “

Only due to the movies being released. Until then the Dungeons and Dragons basement dwellers ranked higher. Tolkien having popularity among the younger set was due to Dungeons and Dragons.

Comment #67: tootiredoftheright  on  02/26  at  02:18 PM

Why? They were a minor race that didn’t really do anything in the game.

I played it more than I watched the series.  Don’t have a TV.

Comment #68: Phoenician in a time of Romans  on  02/26  at  02:37 PM

You can see Euphemism Creep with the recent complaint from a fundamentalist that it was unfair and biased to uuse phrases like “religious right” and “moral majority”...even though those were invented by the people who called themselves that.

Same thing happened with “neo-conservative”.  The neo-cons coined the term themselves back in the early ‘70s - to distinguish themselves, at least nominally, from the Trotskyite neo-liberals who were their forbears.  Irving Kristol wrote a fracking book called “Neo-conservatism”!  But once the PNAC shenanigans were exposed you had people like Limbaugh claiming that “neo-con” was a slur and a an anti-Semitic left wing conspiracy theory.

Comment #69: DonnaDiva  on  02/26  at  05:33 PM

“neo-con” was a slur “

Of course it is a slur they themselves transformed it as such.

“an anti-Semitic left wing conspiracy theory.

Which would be one of a handfull as opposed to hundreds of anti-Semitic right wing conspiracy theories that lead to the deaths of tens of millions and entire population centers wiped out.

Comment #70: tootiredoftheright  on  02/26  at  07:01 PM

I thought ‘powder my nose’ was a euphemism for ‘go do cocaine in the bathroom’.

Colin owned Studio 54.  Pass it on.

Comment #71: seeker6079  on  02/26  at  07:50 PM

“an anti-Semitic left wing conspiracy theory”

That whole PNAC debate shows how the over-eager playing of the “antisemitic” card has—as Glenn Greenwald recently so accurately pointed out—rendered the phrase almost meaningless.  The term is so overused now that real antisemites can operate from better cover: so many other people have been called antisemitic that they have lots of cover.

Me, I could never figure out (during the Bush administration) why PNAC, an organization just jammed with ravingly right-wing-Zionist “greater Israel” Jews who advocated policies which could arguably be distilled down to “what’s good for Likud is good for America and America should always support Israel even when it may not be in America’s best interests!” was supposed to be immune from discussion about .... well, about the fact that American Middle Eastern policy was being drafted and implemented in large measure by ravingly right-wing Zionist Jews who advocated policies which could arguably be distilled down to “what’s good for Likud is good for America and America should always support Israel even when it may not be in America’s best interests!”.

It’s not anti-Catholic to examine how a Catholic politician’s faith may impact his views and the policies he advocates, (as with Scalia and Opus Dei, for example).  The American right certainly feels it appropriate to question the loyalty of Muslim Americans… hell, even Christian Americans with funny mooooslim-sounding names!  So why is it antisemitic to note that pro-(rightwing)-Israeli policies were being crafted and implemented by right-wing American Jews?  Amongst other things we can be damned sure that Wolfowitz, Kagan, Goldfarb, Podhoretz, Abrams, Cohen, Krauthammer and Perle et al. wouldn’t hesitate to criticize liberal, pro-Palestinian Jews who advocate less Likudy-at-any-cost policies for the USA, so why were they supposed to be above criticism?

Comment #72: seeker6079  on  02/26  at  08:15 PM

New Caprica? Thanks for the spoiler alert jerks!

Comment #73: pablo  on  02/26  at  11:19 PM

Damn! Jrod beat me too it. Apologies for the redundancy.

Comment #74: pablo  on  02/26  at  11:21 PM

Vulcanology is easily in the top three most dangerous sciences.  It’s also one of the ones with the greatest potential to prevent needless deaths in natural disasters.  Vulcanologists saved hundreds of lives when Mt St Helens blew up thanks to warnings that something big was about to happen.

“Silly, silly Togolosh! Why would Jindal want to put a stop to people who just study Vulcans?”

Jindal lives in Louisiana for fuck’s sake.  Would he mock Hurricane monitoring? [As a Republican, I’m sure he has—MHF, unchanneling Andrew for the moment] Probably, given his insane demon infested worldview…

“There, you see! He doesn’t think of them as the most gentle and rational species in the Galaxy; he thinks they are demons because of their pointed ears and because they use logic!”

... That, however, would permit two great offenses against Faith:  it would spare the sinners and it would validate the non-insane worldview of the infidels.

“Hey, it’s really dangerous to offend Faith; she’s a killer, you know, and not just of demons…I could tell you the story…”

This is a guy who claims to have participated in the casting out of a demon.  He can predict volcanic eruptions by simply sniffing the air for signs of buttsecks.
togolosh on 02/26 at 07:52 AM

“Volcanic…oh, never mind…”

I now claim points for extending the Geek Field of this thread, and I’d have had double if Amanda herself had said “vulcanologist” in the original post, and then I could have started with “Silly, silly Amanda!”

Which would have been way better.

Comment #75: Mark Foxwell  on  02/27  at  01:53 AM

“wouldn’t Lord of the Rings be higher in the *cough* Geek Pantheon “

Only due to the movies being released. Until then the Dungeons and Dragons basement dwellers ranked higher. Tolkien having popularity among the younger set was due to Dungeons and Dragons.

*Snort*

Real geeks read The Silmarillion and played GDW games. LoTR was a kid’s book, and D & D was the lamest RPG ever.

Comment #76: Dunc  on  02/27  at  08:15 AM

Yea!  Buffy references make the thread complete!

Comment #77: Caren-Sun-blocking Creator of Animorphic Pancakes  on  02/27  at  10:58 AM

Dunc!!!!

bite your tounge! D&D;was AWESOME!!!

so was AD&D;. second ed was pretty damned good.

third ed, meh. fourth? dunno, i prefer second, haven’t even looked at 4th.


to everyone who mentioned the “origins” of Thieves Cant:

yes, yes, yes it was based on reality. on empty cant and Calo, yes. but i was comparing these modern Republicans to THIEVES, ok?

Comment #78: denelian  on  02/28  at  08:06 PM
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