Wingnuts meeting for a group froth at the “Moran Town Hall”. 

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The widespread unwillingness, particularly in the mainstream media, to accept that anti-choicers are rather mean-spirited right wing nuts has led to a disturbing unwillingness to label anti-choice terrorism as “terrorism”.

The fetus humpers have been able to frame the abortion arguement for so long that even so called prochoicers feel the need to say I’m prochoice BUT: you should only have one, you should never admit it is a goddamn relief not to be pregnant. You should feel very bad. Abortion is a choice, but it’s a tragic one…And so on.

Terry’s colleagues put on a skit with a man in an Obama mask pretending to whip a bloodied woman, who kept saying, “Massa, don’t hit me no more. I got the money to kill the babies.”

Please, Gods, tell me you’re fucking kidding. 

Faith in humanity lost.  Completely fucking lost. 

I have no words.

Of course it has nothing to do with babies!

Have you seen a single orphanage built by “pro-life” people ? Have you seen then advocating FOR good prenatal care ? For daycare, SCHIP or anything that might make a baby’s life healthier and easier ?

They don’t fool many, just the already susceptible for this BS. Who need a “noble” reason to justify their hate.

Creeps!

The bottom line is that these right-wing scumnuts are scared ineffectual little-dick shitbags who hate anyone and anything that reminds them what scared ineffectual little-dick shitbags they are. As one currently topical example, I am totally convinced that the reason they go completely apeshit over the Ted Kennedy car crash where the woman died has absofuckinglutely zero to do with the unfortunate death of the woman, and everything to do with the fact that the dude was getting laid in an unapproved manner.

Have you seen a single orphanage built by “pro-life” people ? Have you seen then advocating FOR good prenatal care ? For daycare, SCHIP or anything that might make a baby’s life healthier and easier ?

Comment #4: lostmypassword

Before teh babeez is born:

Well, the fetus is a precious gift from God when you’re pregnant and you don’t want to be. And if you didn’t want to be pregnant then you should’ve kept your legs closed you dirty slut. Whoops, did I say that out loud? It’s a gift and who are you to question God? Please don’t “kill” your baby. It will make you a woman, it will make you happy, it will bring you closer to the guy who knocked you up cause you can’t keep your legs clo—. You’ll regret it for the rest of your life.

After teh babeez is born:

What do you mean you can’t afford a child? So? Should’ve kept your legs closed welfare queen. Even though I guilt tripped/shamed/made you carry out your pregnancy you aren’t gonna use my tax dollars to care for the little runt. Should’ve kept your legs closed if you couldn’t handle the responsibility.

you’re going to tell me that I’m supposed to pray for the socialist devil, murderer, infanticide

Wow, he’s using “infanticide” in the oldschool way: “someone who kills infants”. Long time since I’ve heard it used that way. Well, that, or he can’t use proper grammar in a list to save his life, which is the more likely explanation. What is it with unhinged demagogues and bad grammar?

Also: “Pray for your enemies. Pray for those who persecute you.” This Bible he’s humping sounds a lot more like it’s in favour of him praying for Obama to have a good lunch than it is praying that Obama will die & go to hell.

UltraMagnus, that’s almost verbatim from a CPC in Kathryn Joyce’s article in The Nation that Amanda just twittterd about.

They took her baby for adoption by a good Christian Pottery Barn owning family, and when she called them for counselling b/c she was racked with grief and her milk was coming in, she was told:

“You’re the one who spread your legs and got pregnant out of wedlock,” she told Jordan. “You have no right to grieve for this baby.

So, yeah, the you’re a worthless slut, but they coerce adoption as well.

EVIL FUCKERS.  The only women more invisible than a woman having an abortion is the woman who gave her baby up for adoption.  No one gives a shit about her.  No one cares about her depression or regret.  No one insists that the adoptive parents keep an adoption open—birth mommy better toe the line or be cut off.

lostmypassword @ 4—Excellent point, and it’s one of the things that just kills me about the power of the anti-abortion movement.

It’s not a big deal that they’re lying about their motives—liars, after all, lie.  But that anyone else is taken in by their “pro-life” shtick is a tribute to the lack of analytic ability of the general public.

If these dirtbags were truly pro-life, if they really valued life as sacred and worth protecting, they would be screaming for health care reform. For single payer, in fact. And if someone suggested to them that it would affect their taxes, they’d say “uh, what’s your point?”

Living in Phoenix as I do and having actually met this Chris character a few times (libertarians and other sorts of political kooks love to show up at progressive events and be annoying) seeing his picture on national blogs freaks me out.  I knew him to be a Paultard so I can’t figure out how Pastor Anderson’s views on policing everyone’s personal morals squares with his purported libertarianism.  Then again, he wouldn’t be the first libertarian douche I’ve met who was anti-choice.  Far from it.

It’s the sort of thing that gets ignored or papered over in an attempt to paint anti-choicers as earnest people with moral qualms about abortion, instead of right wing nuts who are in a full-blown panic over the fact that they don’t have a legal right to control and punish women who have unapproved sex lives.

Since we know that not only is anti-choice rhetoric privileged with this presumption of high-minded sincerity in the general public discourse, but right here at Pandagon there are certain long-term (and generally progressive, as opposed to the Catholic Answers claque we also have) commentors who will probably try to make this very point—and anyway have said just this in recent threads here—I’m putting in a preemptive argument.

An anti-choice position reflects a certain ideology—and ideology is somewhat independent of the social structures that call it forth.

To make an analogy, consider racism. To me, the rational view of racism is that it is obviously an ideological structure developed in service of economic and political polarization. But even today most racists would probably deny that they are just cynically guarding ill-gotten privilege for themselves—indeed many would be irrational to hold to their prejudices if they recognized their overall social function since they serve to keep down a lot of “white” people too. But while especially today, most racists probably do recognize they are playing some kind of double game, I’m sure there must be some still left who sincerely don’t think so. And in the past, before the Civil Rights movement era, in the earlier half of the 20th century when the USA was almost totally dominated by overt, explicit racist doctrines embodied in law, I imagine this naive, befuddled group was far larger, and included some very well-meaning people.

One thing about ideology is, people can be relied on to some extent to construct their own version of it. When you are immersed in a social reality, it falls to your own mind to make sense of it. Of course our society then and even now provides many handy rationalizations for the observable realities of our racially organized system. But it is up to individuals to pick and choose, mix and match, to find the way of looking at things that makes sense to them. Having done that, of course most people are going to be both incredulous and annoyed if you suggest that they really think as they do for some other reasons.

To switch back to the main topic at hand—given that we live in a society that is indeed patriarchial, devaluing women in general and holding that they should devote themselves to certain roles on the “madonna-whore” axis, people are going to find some way of making sense of that.

Some of us pride ourselves on stepping back and seeing that there is something wrong with the big picture. Well actually, so do a lot of reactionaries—they pride themselves in seeing the destructive hand of Satan, or the Communist/atheist conspiracy, or the like, as serpents in the Garden.

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I think the misogyny thing goes even further than that. Being anti-choice or even having concern-troll high flown moral doubts about the way “those people” have access to abortion is one of the last conventionally respectable ways to express hatred for women in the US. Suggest that women aren’t as good at math and science and kiss your university-president job goodbye*, but “admit” that you’re troubled about the destruction of potential human life without full consideration of the alternatives or some other bullshit, and watch everyone nod and praise you as evenhanded and thoughtful.

*Yes, I know that was a most a contributing cause. But really very few people thought Summers was saying something smart and thoughtful that needed to be said, the way they would have if he’d said something about supporting women’s choices but being concerned about how they used them.

.....you’re going to tell me that I’m supposed to pray for the socialist devil, murderer, infanticide, who wants to see young children and he wants to see babies killed through abortion and partial-birth abortion and all these different things—you’re gonna tell me I’m supposed to pray for God to give him a good lunch tomorrow while he’s in Phoenix, Arizona?

I’m not telling you. God is.

“I say to you, love your enemies, bless those who curse you, do good to those who hate you, and pray for those who spitefully use you and persecute you.” (Matthew 5:44)

So, in the eyes of the Christ he supposedly swears by, where does that leave this individual?

”But there were also false prophets among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you. They will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the sovereign Lord who bought them—bringing swift destruction on themselves. Many will follow their shameful ways and will bring the way of truth into disrepute. In their greed these teachers will exploit you with stories they have made up. Their condemnation has long been hanging over them, and their destruction has not been sleeping.” (2 Peter 2:1-3)

Nope. I’m not gonna pray for his good. I’m going to pray that he dies and goes to hell.

”But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.  As we said before, so say I now again, if any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.” (Galatians 1: 8-10)

Yeah. About that Hell thing. God agrees with you that somebody’s going to hell in this case. . .

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To repeat a point I made earlier this week or late last, we progressives tend to include a lot of people who have at some point in our lives been inside the worldviews we now reject. Many of us have been raised by, and continue to be related to, reactionaries. I think we know whereof we speak when we say that the problem isn’t the Serpent in the Garden, it’s that the “Garden” is an inhumane trap that needs to be reorganized or done away with completely.

So-suppose you were raised in a typical white family back in the 1920s or so, when American racism was at its worst, and the Ku Klux Klan ran dominant political machines in several Midwestern states (and had a lot of influences much more broadly than that). Looking back, we see that then (and before then) quite a few people of all races were capable of seeing racism as a big scam, but a far greater number were not so bold, honest, far-sighted, or whatever, and accepted “race” and racial hierarchy as an objective reality.

Back in the 1920s, 30s, 40s, and 50s, to what extent should non-racists have simply humored the delusions of these normal American racists, on the grounds that many of them were well-meaning people who simply had been conned successfully? Or that perhaps the real issue was—not all of them were all that well-meaning, at least not if you challenged them, and there is only so much boat-rocking one can get away with before one is thrown overboard?

In fact I think the proper, if sometimes risky, way of proceeding would have been to be open and sincere about one’s disbelief in race, and offer to work effectively with those who demonstrated they meant well by helping them with relevant projects—that did not fatally compromise one’s own views. I think a lot of that kind of thing did happen, and it tended to undermine the racist monolith.

But when we are “challenged” today to accept respectfully the views of those who say they believe abortion is murder, that seems to me more like working with people who in 1950 or so would have been saying openly that they were going to preserve segregation and racial hierarchy in this country. Some of these people must have seen themselves as kindly and intended that the racial order should be humane and fair, and kidded themselves that if people would just calm down and accept reality, they’d all be happier for it in the long run. In fact I don’t have to spell out this analogy any further here at Pandagon because Amanda has long ago and repeatedly pointed out how the modern Right we face today attacking reproductive choice did in fact emerge from racists who felt defeated by LBJ and the ‘60s in general. They have gone to something more like guerrilla tactics on the race front, because they lost the high ground there some time ago. But on the gender front, it is still more like 1960 was on the race front; they think they can hold or take it back.

Well, if they do, I’m sure the overt racism enacted in law would not be far behind.

I want to study more about the terrorist tactics of the anti-choice right. Someone needs to make the argument, from a security standpoint, that the ‘pro-lifers’ are infested with terrorists. I mean that in the classic sense of people who use violence or the threat of violence, against civilians, for a political aim. This argument needs to be made well and often in the media.

Hey DonnaDiva, I’m in Phoenix…. we are having a banner month, aren’t we? I feel like every day there’s some new mortifying piece of local news that makes me ask again why I moved here.

I am totally convinced that the reason they go completely apeshit over the Ted Kennedy car crash where the woman died has absofuckinglutely zero to do with the unfortunate death of the woman, and everything to do with the fact that the dude was getting laid in an unapproved manner.

Well, they believe he killed her deliberately.  For some of them, they’re really jealous, because they don’t get to kill pretty young women and get away with it. Of course, in reality it was an accident, but they don’t let that puncture their jealous fantasies.

I’m kidding, mostly.  But really, there’s a violent urge towards women that’s barely concealed in the relentless obsession over what was, at the end of the day, an accident.

The Department of Homeland Security is already aware of the right-wing terrorists, but to what extent remains to be determined, and whether anything will be done about them seems really fucking unlikely.

UltraMagnus @ #6: The cycle you describe is literal  If you read the link, you’ll find that it’s all soft beds and praise while the woman is pregnant, but after she gives up her baby for adoption, this is what she gets when she asks for help:

“You’re the one who spread your legs and got pregnant out of wedlock,” she told Jordan. “You have no right to grieve for this baby.”

.you’re going to tell me that I’m supposed to pray for the socialist devil, murderer, infanticide, who wants to see young children and he wants to see babies killed through abortion and partial-birth abortion and all these different things—you’re gonna tell me I’m supposed to pray for God to give him a good lunch tomorrow while he’s in Phoenix, Arizona?

Actually, yes:

1 Timothy 2

1: I exhort therefore, that, first of all, supplications, prayers, intercessions, and giving of thanks, be made for all men;

2: For kings, and for all that are in authority; that we may lead a quiet and peaceable life in all godliness and honesty.

Hey, the liberal Christians did it when Bush was president….

Or, what Caren said.

I’m in Phoenix, too! And I swear we are not all crazy here. These assholes are fucking embarrassing. Watching Steven Anderson’s sermons on YouTube, I’ve noticed how the camera angle only shows the pulpit. I wonder how many people actually attend this nutjob’s church.

DonnaDiva—Ron Paul is adamantly anti-choice. It was right there on his campaign’s website. He’s also pro-flag burning amendment. So basically, Paul’s campaign comes down to this: If you’re a right wing man, you’re allowed infinite liberties. If you’re not a right wing man, the state gets to tell you what to do. You can imagine how this attracts people who have only ever been concerned with possessions, and not personal bodily integrity.

Chris is a Ron Paul follower? I suppose he did his research and found out that Ron Paul is a strident bigot and edited and wrote for a racist newletter denouncing MLK and spewing hatred against blacks. . . in the late 80’s.

He probably did that research just after he sat down and actually read the New Testament, both of which was shortly after he committed his life and honor to the Prince of Peace—

—oh, I just can’t keep this up anymore.

Amanda:

In fact, there’s pretty clear evidence that many women who give up their infants suffer from post-adoption trauma of some kind. (The only woman I know well who told me about having given up a baby for adoption was adamant that she would never do so again, because she always had worries in the back of her mind about what was happening to her biological child. In contrast none of the women I know who’ve had abortions give more than a passing thought to the pregnancies they terminated. Anecdotes, I know, but still.)

Just more projection.

Caren, Amanda,

While I hadn’t read that sad account, I’d known that’s how the anti-choice nuts operate. It’s fucking sad when you’re trying to be glib and funny and the shit turns out to be all to true.

I am totally convinced that the reason they go completely apeshit over the Ted Kennedy car crash where the woman died has absofuckinglutely zero to do with the unfortunate death of the woman, and everything to do with the fact that the dude was getting laid in an unapproved manner.

In any other circumstance, they would blame HER for getting in the car with a drunk.  (Assuming that Kennedy actually was drunk.  That’s what I’ve heard, but then again I’ve only heard that from right-wing fuckheads.)

LOL!  Pandagon is turning into a refuge for mortified Phoenicians.

DonnaDiva—Ron Paul is adamantly anti-choice. It was right there on his campaign’s website. He’s also pro-flag burning amendment. So basically, Paul’s campaign comes down to this: If you’re a right wing man, you’re allowed infinite liberties. If you’re not a right wing man, the state gets to tell you what to do. You can imagine how this attracts people who have only ever been concerned with possessions, and not personal bodily integrity.

Oh yes.  They’re Republicans who want to smoke pot and get laid, and who still want to put YOU in jail for doing those same things.

Oh god Amanda, that Shotgun Adoption story you linked has me heartsick.  I was born in 1968 in Washington, DC to a young unmarried woman and adopted 3 weeks later from St. Ann’s Maternity Home.  I remember asking my dad what made he and my mom choose me out of all the babies available at the time.  “You were the only white one,” was his answer.  I should point out that back then it was very difficult for people to adopt people children of other races so even if my parents were willing to do so, they may have been required to wait for a white infant.  I didn’t explore that aspect of it so I don’t know what their feelings were about interracial adoption, and they are dead now.  I took my father’s comment at face value.  Over the years I’ve learned more and more about how unmarried women were coerced into giving their babies up for adoption to more “suitable” families and I’ve often wondered if the line I was fed about how my birth mother gave me up of her own volition was entirely accurate. 

Adoption is a weird, squicky thing for everyone involved, and people often minimize the effect on the adopted children.  I will never forget the day I learned of mine.  I was seven years old and my sister and I were in the car with our dad.  I asked why people remarked that my sister and I didn’t look alike.  That’s when he told us.  We were both adopted.  It’s not like it was a traumatic experience but it was definitely a defining one.  From that moment on, I was intensely aware that I was different.  My “real” mother hadn’t wanted me.  That’s how my seven year old mind interpreted it.  And my 40 year old self still wants to know what, or who, informed my birth mother’s decision to give me up.  I hate to admit it, but part of me wants to believe that she wanted to keep me but was *forced* to relinquish me to a married couple.  OTOH I hope she is at peace with her decision and is happy wherever she is. 

I rarely think about my biological father at all.  Not sure what to make of that.

I’ve been ardently pro-choice since as long as I can remember.  Since at least the age of 12.  People are often surprised that I am, since I’m adopted.  “But Donna, what if you’re mother had aborted you?”  My response is, “So what if she did?  I wouldn’t be here.  So what?”  Don’t get me wrong, I’m glad I’m here but I don’t want to think my birth mother was forced to bring me into the world against her will.  That’s probably why I cling to the narrative that she wanted to have me but was prevented from keeping me by the scheming moralistic nuns. 

Not sure what this contributes to the discussion, or even if it makes sense, but I just had to put it out there.  Let me just add that I really, REALLY fucking hate Leslie Unruh and the CPCs for bringing back the worst and most exploitive aspects of the adoption system, just when we seemed to be on the path to doing adoptions in a way that minimized the harms and respected the needs of both the birth mother and the child.

One of the many things that gets me is exactly this “So you want me to pray for him” angle - which includes the way these people treat women at reproductive health clinics and so very much more.

Not to defend the patriarchy or its adherents, but it actually does teach that women are delicate flowers, and not to defend old-school religious teaching on sexuality, but they actually do teach that sex should be limited to within marriage. Behaviors that stem from these are at least (at best?) consistent.

But what throws me all the time is these people, usually right-wing Christians, who stand up and just spout utter bullshit as judged by their own rules, and they get a media and society pass on it. Someone shouting “I am a Christian, do you expect me to pray for my enemies?” or “Jesus wants me to stone this woman I caught in adultery” or for that matter “Jesus’s teachings encourage me to pray in public on TV in front of millions and declare my righteousness” pisses me off every time.

It’s like sponsoring the PETA seal-clubbing expo or the Vegan Beef Recipe cook-off. If just about anyone else routinely did things so at odds with their underlying rules, they’d get eaten alive by their own members, much less the media.

I know, I know, but it it still pisses me off, especially when they take the Book they’ve just completely ignored and use it as a club to attack me with.

“Please, Gods, tell me you’re fucking kidding.

Faith in humanity lost.  Completely fucking lost.

I have no words.”

It’s Randall Terry.  You know, Randall “Operation Rescue determined to strike in US” Terry?  The guy that called a press conference to announce that there would be reprisals if health care reform passed not three months ago?

It’s like sponsoring the PETA seal-clubbing expo or the Vegan Beef Recipe cook-off. If just about anyone else routinely did things so at odds with their underlying rules, they’d get eaten alive by their own members, much less the media.

I know, I know, but it it still pisses me off, especially when they take the Book they’ve just completely ignored and use it as a club to attack me with.

lymis, the American public has little brain or memory, and the US media is a bunch of over-paid, under-curious bullshit artists. These are the ground rules. I know how mad you can get, because this also drives me up a fucking wall and causes me to snap at people that don’t deserve it. But these are the ground rules.

Just don’t forget that, even with these shitty ground rules, we can win, and have won, many times.

from comment #18

The Department of Homeland Security is already aware of the right-wing terrorists,

Sorry, veggiegirl2, I missed your comment the first time. The fact that people in the state apparatus are aware is good, but to my mind it isn’t enough. I want to study more about these guys so I can, personally, make an argument that what they are engaging in is terrorism. There has to be a way to get this out more.

should point out that back then it was very difficult for people to adopt people children of other races so even if my parents were willing to do so, they may have been required to wait for a white infant.

Ah, what?  My parents adopted Two mixed racial children, 1967 and 1970.  That was in CA, so maybe that was a regional issue?  DC is fairly close to Southern.

In my naivete as a teenager I honestly thought the rhetoric would die down once the number of women having abortions became majority black/hispanic. Because of the rampant racism I ALWAYS saw from anti-choicers I really believed that when the statistics were announced in the year 2000 and it became clear that over 50% of women who had abortions that year were women of color, I really thought they would start going away. WRONG.

This blog and many other progressive feminists have really helped me to see that these folks are just motivated by hatred of women and if they get to vent how much they hate people of color in the process, than that is just an added bonus to them. It is just sickening and maddening how the media continues to frame these hateful horrible people as folks who are just concerned about fetuses. They don’t give a rats ass about kids. That’s why there are over 600,000 kids in foster care. That’s why their president (W) who they just worshiped vetoed expansion of the S-Chip program which gives health insurance to poor kids. All they want to do is punish women with terrorist violence.

I recently wrote the president asking that he quietly keep the US Marshalls in place for Dr. Hern and other besieged abortion providers indefinitely. I don’t know how much good that will do, but it isn’t fair that these folks risk their lives every day to perform LEGAL procedures. Other people threatened by terrorists receive federal protection all the time and they should to. And this time, we cannot sit back and let them stop the protection because there is no imminent danger. These men and women are always in imminent danger and the president can leave the US Marshall’s with them at least until January 20, 2013.

DC Fem, thanks for reminding me of that. I need to write Obama about it. Or better yet try to get it out into the media more.

Do you know why the administration wants to take away the federal marshalls, by the way? Has there been any explanation?

Earlier someone posted that many of us were raised inside the ideologies that we now fight against.  That is so true.  My grandfather voted for W twice.  My mom and grandmother each voted for him once.  My family are about as redneck as they come.  The one thing that my sister and I get into huge arguments all the time about isn’t what I’m for, because she’s for them to.  But she has a hard time separating the person from the ideology. 

She thinks I hate my family because they’re a bunch of Rush Limbaugh listenin’ to good ol’boys.  I don’t.  I hate their ideology, but I still love my family. 

When I say, “Denying other people health care coverage is evil,” she says, “Well, what about Uncle so and so, is he evil?  He’s against health care reform.”  To which I respond with, “He, as a whole, may not be, probably isn’t evil, but this particular facet of selfishness, this ‘I got mine, screw you,’ bullshit? It’s either ignorant or evil.  Take your pick.” 

Over at the California Chapter of NOW’s site, I did a blog entry called, “When Stupid is the best case scenario.”  Because I would rather believe that the old folks who are anti-healthcare reform are misled dupes of the far right, than believe grandmas and grandpas could be that willfully evil as to deny others the same healthcare they enjoy.

Yeah, I know it’s a good bet that some of the grandmas and grandpas are willfully evil, but I’d like to believe they’re just ill-informed.

Even I have a hard time dealing with the concept of people I like/love/respect behaving in or holding beliefs I find just plain damn evil.

I don’t actually know that they want to take them away, they just always do. After a doctor gets shot or a clinic gets bombed, the most endangered people (like Dr. Hern) get US Marshalls. Then the furor dies down a bit and after a few months, the feds go away. Granted, there is (so far) no evidence that Obama will follow this plan but I’m not optimistic enough to believe he won’t. This was the established pattern under Clinton and W. That’s why I put it out there that this time, these folks need federal protection night and day until the terrorists stop. Even if that takes forty years or more.

LOL!  Pandagon is turning into a refuge for mortified Phoenicians.

I’m not dead!!!

I just smell like it.

You’ll be stone dead in a moment…

**Reality Check**

The really hardcore racists LOVE abortion.  Why?  Because it prevents more black babies from being born that it does white babies.  Remember the breathless reports about the reduction in the violent crime rates that happened when the first generation after Roe reached puberty?  That was media code for “ain’t we lucky that all those n****rs never saw the light of day.”  David Duke and Margaret Sanger share the same bed.

“The really hardcore racists LOVE abortion.”

Except when they assassinate abortion providers and bomb abortion clinics and try to ban abortion full-stop, no exceptions.  I’m guessing you don’t remember all the “abortion is a plot to kill white babies” rhetoric that’s still going on.

Seth, the ‘media reports’ you’re thinking of weren’t about race - they pointed out that there were fewer births as a result of legal abortion, therefore less young people, therefore less crime. Of course, the fetus-huggers tried to pretend this was an argument FOR abortion.

Seth is partially right. Racists have sponsored, and performed illegal, sterilizations of blacks in the U.S. Abortion by black women is most certainly not the focus of the movement. That being said, there are fundies who are not racists who court blacks by saying—and I kid you not, I’ve heard this in person from many sources—that “they’re trying to kill your babies.”

Hey, I was at this town hall!  The anti-health care protesters were just plain rude and childish.  Even though they were in the minority (probably about 23%, reflecting the general public), they were the loudest ones there.  Sadly, this particular guy was only the tip of the iceberg.  One anti even lied about her identity in an attempt to “ask a question” (or rather, rant loudly).  I just can’t get over the hypocrisy of wanting to save the precious embryos, but then wanting to deny health care to actual living people.  That’s exactly why I can no longer believe that anti-choicers argue in good faith or that they actually care about life, as they claim.