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We were told that common ground was *not* compromise

Is it possible that we were lied to?

President Obama has appointed Alexia Kelley, executive director of Catholics in Alliance for the Common Good (CACG), to head the Center for Faith-Based and Neighborhood Partnerships at the Department of Health and Human Services. Kelley is a leading proponent of “common ground” abortion reduction—only CACG’s common ground is at odds with that of Obama. While the administration favors reducing the need for abortion by reducing unintended pregnancies, Kelley has made clear that she seeks instead to reduce access to abortion. That is an extremely disturbing development, especially coming this week in the wake of George Tiller’s assassination…..

Kelley and CACG have made clear they are committed to Catholic doctrine on abortion and birth control. CACG has supported the Pregnant Women’s Support Act, aimed at stigmatizing abortion and making it less accessible. In discussing legislation on reducing the need for abortion, Kelley has written that various pieces of legislation concerned with women’s health “are not all perfect; some include contraception—which the Church opposes.”

In the wake of the assassination of Dr. Tiller, any and all attempts to reach out and find common ground with opponents of legal abortion and birth control should have been put on hold, and probably terminated until the anti-choice movement completely and genuinely disavows violence, and actually gives up on trying to turn women into second class citizens.  That doesn’t mean that Kelley or her colleagues are members of the large group, probably the majority, of activist anti-choicers who are gleefully celebrating Dr. Tiller’s murder and hoping for more murders.  I doubt Obama would appoint a genuine terrorist-sympathizer to an office like this.  But it’s poor taste, and implies that the administration will respond to terrorism by giving anti-choicers what they want.  (I realize that she was probably chosen before the assassination, but again, her appointment should have been halted and probably terminated in light of the assassination.  Obama should make it absolutely clear to anti-choicers that they do not get their way through political assassinations.)

Anti-choicers who actually want to disavow violence can only do so by coming to realize that state-mandated religion is inherently violent.  The Founding Fathers gave Americans freedom of religion in no small part because they had seen what happens if you don’t have or don’t want a secular government.  We’re seeing it now.  Anti-choicers believe the state should make their religious dogma the official state stance, depriving women of their freedom of religion to decide for themselves if they believe in the use of contraception or abortion.  Once you feel you have a right to force your religion on others, violence is inevitable. 

Therefore, the only way for anti-choicers to be anti-violence, to truly be anti-violence, is to become pro-choice.  Stop trying to force your dogma on others.  Even “moderate” amounts of force—-restricting it so only the most vulnerable women are forced to live by your religious rules—-is depriving women of the most basic of freedoms, and is inherently violent.  If any anti-choicer wants to truly distance themselves from violence, they must immediately quit being anti-choice.  You’re free not to have an abortion or use a condom, if you don’t want.  Be satisfied with the fact that this is a free country and women are equal, and we can start talking.

I respect Cristina Page, but I have to strongly disagree that we can look the other way and call Kelley a “new” kind of pro-lifer, because it seems Kelley is all about the old-fashioned “pro-life” view of forcing women to have children against their will.  This is not the common ground strategy that we were told that Obama was promoting.  Obama outlined the common ground strategy in his speech at Notre Dame, and it’s a combination of reframing pro-choice ideas to maximize the opportunities for anti-choicers to sound like the rabid misogynists they are by showing that they oppose contraception, which is a practice that’s as popular as watching television in the U.S. and playing lip service to a few anti-choice fetishes that are utterly meaningless, since they’re beyond policy solutions.  On the podcast, I addressed the planks that Obama laid out


1) Agreeing that women have a right to terminate, and respecting that that decision isn’t made thoughtlessly.  I liked this move, because Obama framed anti-choice sentiment as what it is—-misogyny.  Obviously, anti-choicers, even so-called progressive ones, buy right into the belief that sexually active women are either morally bankrupt or, being closer to animals than people, can’t be understood as moral actors at all.  But daring them to say it is always fun.

But then they hired someone who agrees with the misogynist sentiment that posits that female sexual activity should only be procreative, and if women should try to use it for another purpose, they should be forced.  We were told women’s humanity and rights would not be compromised.

2) Push to actually reduce the abortion rate through the only thing that is likely to work, which is contraception and education.  It’s been hilarious watching people who hate abortion but think of themselves as progressive struggle with this one, because it does fit their stated beliefs (that abortion is the taking of potential life and is wrong), but it violates the unstated and often far stronger belief (that women who have sex without having children are sluts who need to be set straight, and giving them contraception just allows them to evade punishment).  Of course, as you can see from the above quotes, anti-contraception sentiment is never far from anti-abortion sentiment, even with people who are lauded as progressive.  I’ve often felt this is where common ground will fall apart, because it’s the only thing that will actually work to reduce the abortion rate, but it flies in the face of anti-sex sentiment.

3) Make adoption easier.  This is empty rhetoric to make anti-choicers feel like they’ve contributed anything. Women do not go get abortions while thinking, “If only the government let me give up a healthy infant to an infertile couple.”  Legally, it’s incredibly easy and you have teams of people willing to do all the work for you.  If you can sign your name, you can do this. 

4) Relieve women’s financial concerns in hopes they’ll choose to have the baby.
I’m incredibly skeptical that this will work, but it’s enough to get some otherwise progressive anti-choicers on board, where you can use guilt to de-tooth their misogyny. 

But all this was contingent, for pro-choicers, on the belief that this was not a compromise.  Pretty much everything above is on the pro-choice wish list, except adoption, since that’s largely irrelevant, since they’re asking to make easier something you can’t make legally easier.  (Women aren’t going to give up more babies, no matter how much you try to make it legally more palatable, which again, is impossible, short of allowing women to be paid directly for babies.  Giving up a baby is emotionally too much of a strain for most women, which of course is not what anti-choicers want to hear, because it requires believing that women are people with feelings.)  But this appointment calls into question Obama’s willingness to stand strong for common ground and not compromise.  This was, from the beginning, pro-choicers concern about this naive common ground strategy.  It was predicated on the belief that anti-choicers are stupid.  Now, I can see the temptation to believe they’re stupid, since they hold the very stupid belief that sperm have rights and zygotes are people.  But bigotry isn’t stupidity.  It wasn’t going to take them long to see there’s nothing in it for them to get on board with common ground, and as soon as they figured it out, they were going to start agitating for some compromise where they get some kind of power to punish women for being sexual.  Tempt the Democrats by asking to be handed women with very little political power—-poor women and teenagers—-and control their sexuality in exchange for giving middle class adult women their rights.  For now.  I’m afraid that this might be a sign that the Obama administration is selling out in order to keep the very few anti-choicers they’ve even gotten to agree to play ball. 

 

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Posted by Amanda Marcotte on 12:53 PM • (53) Comments

I’m so upset. 

This is unacceptable.

I am sick to death of forced-birth terrorists, and even the “sane” ones are unacceptable to me any longer, as they only give cover to the the terrorists.

The “sane” pro-lifers are the idiots who have never thought about abortion more than “icky”.  They are the ones who never think about jailing the mothers.  They are the ones who aren’t against abortions for health reasons, but just against abortion as “birth control”.

In other words, they are people who haven’t thought things through, and we are giving them control.

Comment #1: Caren-Sun-blocking Creator of Animorphic Pancakes  on  06/07  at  01:35 PM

Cristina Page’s piece is unbelievably depressing.  She just throws in the towel.  She can’t bear to face the truth about people like Kelley, and the politicians who put forth people like Kelley as a solution.  I’m glad you didn’t get on board, Amanda.

Comment #2: Unree  on  06/07  at  01:36 PM

It’s a really disappointing pick.  I would rather he just got rid of that office altogether. My guess(or maybe hope)is she is a sop to the conservatives, but that she will head a potemkin office with practically zero resources.  And yes a new kind of pro-lifer is just one with a nicer facade but still wants to force women to be mothers, and to punish those who would help them end their pregnancies.

Excuse the threadjack, but i know you’re a multiple cat owner and could use some advice.  In April I acquired an 11 month old female cat from a shelter.  She’s very affectionate and needy, and i feel guilty leaving her alone 8+ hours a day that i work, plus I’ll be away for a couple of weekends this summer. I have a small place so I’d rather not get a second cat to keep her company(and what if they hate each other?), but if i do go that route then what kind of cat should i get to maximize compatibility? I’m trying to make her environment as stimulating as possible with toys, a fish tank(we she shows almost no interest in), and a bird feeder outside the window(which the birds aren’t showing much interest in). Someone recommended a pheromone diffuser, so i ordered one off the net.  I could use some advice.

Comment #3: pablo  on  06/07  at  01:38 PM

The only possible hope is if he plans to marginalize the entire “Faith-based initiative” group.  If pro-Catholic celibacy wonks are running a dept of shuffling papers, it’s not so bad.

Best of all would be completely terminating funding for the entire Faith-based group program.  Faith-based groups should be supported by people of that faith, not the public dole.

Comment #4: Caren-Sun-blocking Creator of Animorphic Pancakes  on  06/07  at  01:38 PM

I wonder if Obama’s using the old university trick of forming a committee to study an issue, work really hard for a couple years to produce recommendations, then gleefully ignoring the recommendation.

Comment #5: Punditus Maximus  on  06/07  at  01:48 PM

I’m with Caren in hoping that the entire “faith-based initiative” council thingy is just a way to shuffle all the nuttiest people into the same office so they can feel like they are surrounded by like-minded people and have power, and then let everyone else ignore them. I’m praying to whatever may or may not be out there that this is the case. Otherwise, we’re in so much trouble.

Comment #6: thecynicalromantic  on  06/07  at  01:57 PM

In the wake of the assassination of Dr. Tiller, any and all attempts to reach out and find common ground with opponents of legal abortion and birth control should have been put on hold, and probably terminated until the anti-choice movement.

Until the anti-choice movement does what? Disbands? Apologizes en masse? I’m trying to imagine how that sentence was supposed to end, but I can’t think of anything remotely plausible that would constitute an actual meaningful apology.

The movement just got their way via terrorism. What, exactly, can a decentralized network of fanatics to do make up for that?

Comment #7: grendelkhan  on  06/07  at  02:08 PM

Obviously, anti-choicers, even so-called progressive ones, buy right into the belief that sexually active women are either morally bankrupt or, being closer to animals than people, can’t be understood as moral actors at all.

I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again: in terms of a certain kind of pro-natalist rhetoric (possibly in terms of a certain kind of pro-natalist thought as well) women don’t even make it as animals.  But we do figure as implements.  Let’s say you’re breeding kittens out of a tabby you value for some reason (maybe she has good-mouser genes or is a purebred or whatever) and she turns out to be endangered by a litter she’s carrying.  What do you do?  Unless you’re an idiot, you take her straight to the vet and have her scraped out and cleaned up; if not for her own sake, for the sake of future litters of kittens to come.  But let a woman fail to carry one pregnancy successfully to term, even though she may have produced viable kids before and, in the event that her life is saved, will survive to produce others, and the pronatalists cheerfully invite her to go ahead and die; nay, they go even further: they hold up her death as her duty.  That’s not the attitude they would take toward a dog or a mare.  The reason is that in their eyes she’s far less akin to a dog or a cat or a mare than she is to a DVD player or automatic mixer that breaks down.  It’s on the fritz, it can’t be fixed; voilà, to the rubbish heap it goes. 

Tell me where I’m wrong.

Comment #8: bekabot  on  06/07  at  02:10 PM

I’m not surprised.  It is what Captain Spineless is…  No gay rights, just talk…  No women’s rights, just talk…  No church-state separation, just talk…  No respect for the Constitution, just talk…  No ending the horrors of the Bush years, just talk (and a move to Bagram)...

Comment #9: MosesZD  on  06/07  at  02:19 PM

It hasn’t even been 6 months yet Moses. Give him some time, he may be strategizing for the long game.

Comment #10: pablo  on  06/07  at  02:29 PM

pablo: It hasn’t even been 6 months yet Moses. Give him some time, he may be strategizing for the long game.

You know, I’ve seen the same argument, almost verbatim, in a variety of other threads about Obama, for instance, not closing Gitmo, not closing Bagram, not moving significantly toward ending the war, not releasing an executive order against DADT, or any number of other issues.

It’s a profoundly versatile excuse.

Comment #11: grendelkhan  on  06/07  at  02:40 PM

Grendel- In another 6 months if no progress has been made then I will join the chorus, until then it seems fickle and naive to expect him to have taken care of all of our personal concerns. He’s got a lot to handle right now.  I think a lot of the complainers had unrealistic expectations during the campaign.

Comment #12: pablo  on  06/07  at  02:46 PM

pablo, that’s an incredibly threadbare and indeed insulting excuse. The complaint is not about him not doing enough about this or that concern. The complaint is that on too many issues he is doing EXACTLY THE WRONG FUCKING THING. Please explain to us how time will cure that.

Comment #13: Steve LaBonne  on  06/07  at  02:51 PM

Thanks for finding that, grendel.  I’ve fixed it.  We’ve had people in the house, and it’s distracting, and I was distracted from finishing that sentence. 

Which, by the way, shows how much the forced birth movement is using mandatory childbirth for sexually active women to get women out of the public sphere.  If I can’t finish writing a sentence because a few adults distract me, I’d probably lose my ability to write altogether if forced to bear children by law.

Comment #14: Amanda Marcotte  on  06/07  at  02:52 PM

Sorry, pablo, but I’m not remotely interested in giving Obama endless Friedman Units to turn the corner.  He was my Senator.  He can do the right thing.

But he’s more likely to do the politically expedient thing.  Rahm Emmanuel, my former representative, is there for a reason, and it sure isn’t to make the world more progressive.

It’s to cement their power by getting Obama a second term.

I hope for some good things along the way, but he is not and has never been the most liberal politician.

It’s important to let him know how much he’s pissing us off.  It’s important to keep selecting more progressive Democrats in the primaries—not to support Obama, but to PUSH HIM TO DO THE RIGHT THING.

I’d still vote for him again.  Obama is orders of magnitude better than McCain/Palin or anything else the reichwing tosses up.  But he’s not good enough.  He’s a starting point, and we need to keep pushing and not get complacent.

Comment #15: Caren-Sun-blocking Creator of Animorphic Pancakes  on  06/07  at  02:54 PM

Grendel—it’s versatile because it has the virtue of actually being reasonable.  I really hope my trust in Obama is borne out over the next six months, because a year really is long enough to do a bunch of things.

Comment #16: Punditus Maximus  on  06/07  at  02:55 PM

On the cat thing:  pablo, I know you said your place is small, but as long as you clean the litter box every single day, two cats don’t need any more space than one cat.  In fact, they need less, because they entertain each other. 

As your female is only 11 months old, she’s the perfect age to pair her up with another cat.  I’d recommend a cat her age—-around a year—-and don’t go much older or younger than that. I’ve heard that male/female pairs get along best, but I’m coming around to the idea that that’s heterosexism being projected on cats.  I’ve got two females that get along great.  My old apartment was only 500 sq. ft. but two cats kept as good as one.

I’ve had cats my whole life, and I’ve found that the ones that consistently have a peer-age cat companion are the sweetest cats to humans, as well.  I think it’s because they’re constantly interacting, so they have social skills, and they aren’t lonely or angry.

Comment #17: Amanda Marcotte  on  06/07  at  02:56 PM

Steve- Except for annoying insignificant shit like having Rick Warren give a speech at the inauguration I can’t think of any major wrong he’s committed. The administrations actions on Gitmo and the crimes of the Bush administration are questionable but those things are still unresolved, and there is likely more to come. I stand by my statement. Six months time is too soon to despair.

Comment #18: pablo  on  06/07  at  03:01 PM

Amanda- my fear of getting another female cat was that there would be a period of struggle over who would be the alpha. You didn’t experience that with your cats?

Comment #19: pablo  on  06/07  at  03:04 PM

But he’s not good enough.  He’s a starting point, and we need to keep pushing and not get complacent.

I agree. My point is that a lot of liberals are feeling betrayed, and it is they who had unrealistic expectations.

Comment #20: pablo  on  06/07  at  03:08 PM

There was a small but inconsequential struggle.  Right now, there’s no clear-cut winner, and they don’t seem to care.  I think the real struggle lasted a couple weeks, and then devolved into play time.  That they’re the same age seems to help tremendously.  People with older cats who bring younger ones in find that the older ones can’t stand it, a lot of the time.

My ex had two cats, same deal—-both a year old when he put them together, no clear alpha, and they were a pair.  Male/female, but their interactions were about the same as my two females.  Lots of kissing and playing.  The only difference was that the male/female pair walked around side by side a lot, and often just sat and chilled out together on the chair, whereas my females will sit in separate chairs.  But very minor difference.

Comment #21: Amanda Marcotte  on  06/07  at  03:10 PM

If your choice is between a female or male that’s older that got fixed post-puberty, I’d pick the female, for what it’s worth.  Either sex, the younger you fix them, the more docile they are.  But males can be especially territorial, and may have the urge to spray if they’re fixed post-puberty.

Comment #22: Amanda Marcotte  on  06/07  at  03:13 PM

There simply is no common ground with the forced birthers.  Ultimately, free choice <strong>is</etrong> the compromise position.  Nobody is forced to have an abortion and nobody is prevented from having one.

Comment #23: DrDick  on  06/07  at  03:20 PM

Like I said in the post (after rewriting it to address the stuff I was thinking and didn’t put in), this is fundamentally the same religious fighting that led to the discovery of the non-compromise common ground solution of a secular government and religious freedom.  The media makes this confusing, because they portray anti-choicers as motivated by values, and pro-choicers as somehow hostile to values.  But this is a matter of religious freedom.  The law shouldn’t be able to force me to live by any religious dogma. They can’t make me give up anything for Lent, and they can’t make me give up non-procreative sex.

Comment #24: Amanda Marcotte  on  06/07  at  03:23 PM

There shouldn’t be an office of faith-based anything.

Obama is delusional if he thinks common ground can be found. For decades now the pro-choice supporters have been giving back things to the control women’s bodies brigade—hospitals and doctors can opt of performing abortions; teenagers have to tell their parents and can’t be helped to cross state lines to obtain an abortion; various pills and chemical agents are attacked as being abortions; there are fewer and fewer doctors and other health care professionals being trained to do abortions of any sort; the trimester scheme of Roe v. Wade was a compromise which restricts access; federal health money can’t be used to pay for poor women’s reproduction health care, etc., etc., etc.  Today is “The Pill Kills Day.” Want to think they will support contraceptive use?

NO MORE. Nada, Zilch… no more compromises, no more caving.

Comment #25: PurpleGirl  on  06/07  at  03:48 PM

Just wanted to echo your last post. The media narrative is that pro-choicers are selfish and have a callous disregard for human life, whereas pro-lifers are portrayed as moral and caring about babies.  I’m hoping with the recent leftward tilt of the electorate, the conspiracy to murder Dr. Tiller, and the ridiculous anti-contraceptive protests scheduled for tomorrow, that this narrative will begin to become more realistic-that these pro-lifers are anti-sex whackjobs.

Comment #26: pablo  on  06/07  at  03:53 PM

Oops! Today’s Sunday. Those protests are today.

Comment #27: pablo  on  06/07  at  03:55 PM

4) Relieve women’s financial concerns in hopes they’ll choose to have the baby.  I’m incredibly skeptical that this will work

It both will and won’t, depending on what all your goals are.  The obvious problem is that babies are a big load of expenses, and therefore it’ll take a LOT of change to be enough to make a difference—-this is presumeably a solid chunk of the reason even the “good” pro-lifers don’t focus on it: it would take loads of money to make a significant difference for even a few women.  And of course it would only ever work on those women who terminate solely or mostly because of economic concerns, which is no good to the hordes of anti-choicers in it to punish the women who want to “escape” pregnancy and motherhood.

For OUR purposes, however, increasing women’s economic security can only be a good thing, for a multitude of reasons only starting with letting women afford babies they want to have.  For our purposes, the social safety net that would let these women have their babies comfortably would increase quality of life for all low-income women, and all working mothers, and many, many children.  Universal and/or affordable health care potentially helps everyone.  Affordable daycare lets mothers make and keep enough money to provide for their families without overworking themselves, and grants them leisure time with their children cared for, and decreases the number of children left alone out of financial necessity while their parents work.  Living wages stimulate the whole economy, and make life much better for workers and their families.  And, yes, it enables people to have children when they otherwise couldn’t afford them, including lower-income people of color whose reproductive rights in the childbearing direction have historically been held in low esteem.

In other words, this is a good idea for a whole host of reasons, many of which the anti-choicers both pretend to have sympathy for and completely disdain, and many of which extend far beyond the issues concerned with abortion.  It’s perfect.

Comment #28: Kyra  on  06/07  at  04:05 PM

Kyra, I’m very pro on increasing women’s economic security.  My concern is this—-if we say that the only reason to do so is for fetuses, then we’re conceding that women aren’t valuable as anything but incubators.  If we do that, then when it doesn’t work, they’ll have their excuse to take it away.

Comment #29: Amanda Marcotte  on  06/07  at  04:28 PM

My take on this is that Obama’s “common ground” platform isn’t an outline for pro-choice compromise, it’s an outline for anti-choice capitulation. If he needs to hand out some appointments that are fundamentally irrelevant to policy on abortion and birth control in order to get the anti-choicers to sign on with it, well, I’ll just be glad he got them to give up without making concessions that actually matter.

Other pro-choicers are clearly pretty bothered about this, and it’s quite possible I’m missing something. I’m just not really sure what it is.

Comment #30: pillsy  on  06/07  at  04:29 PM

Thing is, as I had intimated over on feministe, Kelly is in no-man’s land.  She’s basically an anti-misogynist anti-abortion gal, which is really anti-misogyny anti-misogyny…Which makes no real sense.  I also get the strong impression that a large part of her agenda is getting the Catholic Church to accept the modern age by working from within.  If the Catholic Church would moderate its position, she would in a heartbeat as well.

oh well, she probably would be nice as a minesweeper, I guess…

Comment #31: shah8  on  06/07  at  05:18 PM

Amanda-One more cat question please.  What kind of litter do you use? My cat had issues using the box(which i think is why she ended up in the shelter). At first I tried the flushable pine litter, but like i said, she had issues. I eventually got her trained using that expensive “Cat Attract” litter. I’d like to transition back to the pine but not sure it will work. So what litter has worked well for you?

Comment #32: pablo  on  06/07  at  05:21 PM

Fair enough; I hadn’t considered that perspective.  Seemed pretty obvious that that’s something we keep fighting for anyway, but I suppose, on further thought, that the antis aren’t going to make that connection so easily, given that it’s in our best interests for them to do so.

That said, I think from our perspective it’s the woman’s ability to have a family she wants, that is valuable in that scenario.  Not the fetus for its own sake, or the woman’s economic security for the fetus’ sake, but both options of the choice, sans economic sanctions, as her right.

Unfortunately this doesn’t roll off the tongue quite as easily as “baby-killer.”

Comment #33: Kyra  on  06/07  at  05:24 PM

Gyah, hit blaspheme too soon.

It’s a sort of balancing act: framing it as “saving babies” has the best chance at getting some of the anti’s in on it, and enables us to go “Why don’t you support this?  Do you not think these babies are worth saving?” at the ones who don’t.  But yes, I can see how it could dilute our arguments as well.

Comment #34: Kyra  on  06/07  at  05:28 PM

Pablo, I use the “World’s Best” cat litter, which seems to work fabulously for my three cats.  Have you tried mixing a little of the pine in with the Cat Attract?
In my experience, it’s wise to have one litter box per cat, especially if you’re away all day(some cats are quite fussy about using a soiled box, and two cats can easily poop/pee their way through most of a box of litter in eight hours).  If you do get another cat, you could try filling one box with your preferred litter and one with the stuff she uses now, and see what happens.

Comment #35: Craig R.  on  06/07  at  05:37 PM

She may never use the pine.  It’s not really their favorite to dig in.  I’d continue to use the Cat Attract, and if you want to put a little pine in it to kill the odor, that sometimes works.  I use plain old clumping litter, and clean it once a day.  That works, and they like it, because it fulfills their urge to dig and bury.

One thing you can do is, like Craig said, put a box full of the stuff you’d prefer next to her favorite box, and see if she uses it.  Sometimes you just have to go with their preferences, though.

Comment #36: Amanda Marcotte  on  06/07  at  05:54 PM

Let’s see. Right after he’s inaugurated President Obama expands the role of the faith-based government centers, from the pork-funneling enterprises of the Bush era to policy making ones. He then tasks the faith-based center at the HEALTH department with reproductive health policy recommendations (specifically, abortion rate reduction).

Then, about a week after the assassination of one of only ~3 Ob/Gyns who perform a specialized type of abortion he appoints as head of the faith-based center at the HEALTH department, the very office tasked with coming up with policies aimed at reducing the number of abortions, a person 1) whose organization’s mission is to advance the prophetic voice of the Catholic social tradition (yay, virgin births!)  2) who is scientifically illiterate, and 3) whose repro health policy position is that [r]educing the abortion rate by 95 percent in 10 years is an essential and achievable goal.

I don’t know about President Obama’s political career, but the healthcare and safety of women of repro age is clearly on track.

Comment #37: ema  on  06/07  at  06:01 PM

Whoops.  Craig R. up there is actually me.  Forgot to change names.
But yes, a litter that the cat uses is always preferable to one the cat doesn’t.

Comment #38: Ledasmom  on  06/07  at  06:06 PM

Pablo, pine (or whatever) on the bottom, Cat Attract on the top. Once she uses it, she’ll mix it and find the new stuff, and will likely get used to it so you can gradually phase her over. But if she won’t switch, respect her wishes.
As for a 2nd cat, I’ve heard kittens are best, and that if the older cat doesn’t accept them pretty quickly, you can smear the kitten with a little of the cat’s urine and they will feel compelled to clean it off the kitten, and the grooming will bond them. Also, your cat is young enough not to find the kitten’s desire to play annoying.
If you do go with a same-age cat as Amanda suggested, there may be hissing and yowls at first. You are right they will want to establish dominance—whether same sex or mixed. But some cats establish that in record time.
Once a friend of mine brought over her cat without warning me, and the noises were very alarming and mine chased hers into the other room. I bounded after them ready to get clawed up breaking up a fight, only to find that they had already seated themselves calmly parallel, which my cat on the sofa and her cat on the floor below. Rank established, peace reigned.

Comment #39: Samantha Vimes  on  06/07  at  10:16 PM

I think the best way to judge Obama’s progressiveness on any particular issue is by his record.  Marriage Equality and gay rights in general?  Pretty useless.  We’re going to have to push him the whole way on that one. 

Reproductive rights?  Different story.  He stood up against the Set Up The Pro-Choicers For Rhetorical Attacks Bill (aka the “Born Alive” bill), and has taken not-insignificant political heat for it.  He’s appointed feminist, pro-choice people to some of the most powerful positions in his cabinet (Biden, Clinton, and Emanuel are the first that come to mind).  Every action I can think of that he’s taken so far has been supportive of sane sex education and reproductive rights.  The speech at Notre Dame, in the center of an anti-choice shitstorm as it was, was a perfect place for him to back down if he was going to.  Instead, he essentially announced a pro-choice position while giving the anti-choicers some empty rhetoric (and credit for ideas that were actually pro-choice in origin; annoying, but useful if we can convince them that they’re winning by doing what we want them to…no, please, don’t allocate more money for pregnant women in need of financial aid, anti-choicers, please don’t throw us in the briar patch). 

Also, if there’s one thing we know that he’s good at, it’s getting his enemies to hurt themselves.

With that in mind, I’m going with “Potemkin Office” until proven otherwise.  Who’s to say that conservatives are the only ones who can play the “We even have one of you on board with what we’re doing” game?

All of that said…yeah.  This one should’ve been cancelled, or delayed, or somehow used to show his disapproval for last week’s atrocity.  Sometimes, for all his vaunted skill with the long game, he doesn’t pay enough attention to the implications of what he does in the here and now.

Comment #40: Seraph  on  06/08  at  12:04 AM

What Seraph said.

Comment #41: pablo  on  06/08  at  12:29 AM

Caren-Sun-blocking Creator of Animorphic Pancakes  on  06/07  at  01:54 PM

I’d still vote for him again.  Obama is orders of magnitude better than McCain/Palin or anything else the reichwing tosses up.

The fact that you voted for him in the first place is why we’re in this fucking mess.

Well, by you, “all of you who voted for him” is meant.

pablo  on  06/07  at  02:08 PM

I agree. My point is that a lot of liberals are feeling betrayed, and it is they who had unrealistic expectations.

They weren’t betrayed. There is absolutely nothing Obama is doing that is inconsistent with the character he displayed in the primaries. Those “liberals” betrayed progressives by bringing the primaries down to Obama and Clinton.

Look, I’ll happily join in and point out that Obama is doing evil crap. But he’s not fucking up. He’s not making mistakes, anymore than Reagan made a mistake breaking the airline strike or Clinton made a mistake with NAFTA. He’s acting like an evil fuck because he’s an evil fuck, and he was an evil fuck in the primaries (a.k.a. the night of a billion jillion candidates) and if you didn’t think he was then you were being very, very dumb. It happens, it’s not morally wrong, but it was dumb. That being the case, the betrayal was one of intellect. Obama hasn’t betrayed anybody.

So if you’re going to analyze his take on abortion policy, don’t ask “how is he helping the U.S. public?” ask “how is he helping Obama?” And remember that he’s not stupid.

Comment #42: No One of Consequence  on  06/08  at  02:22 AM

The Kelley appointment is anything but a Potemkim move.  She’ll be in charge of more than $20 million for teen birth control programs among other things. She’s on record as being against birth control.

Comment #43: PurpleGirl  on  06/08  at  02:42 AM

Like Obama’s “compromise” with religious authoritarians on gay and lesbian equality, this move is a sacrifice of an important moral absolute - in this case, women’s rights - to political expedience.

Absolutes in public policy exist where their proponents argue convincingly in moral terms, appealing to such considerations as rights, equal esteem, human worth, and the like. What religion has done is introduce arguments from mere preference that masquerade as moral concerns; while classifying their preferences for others’ behavior as “moral,” proponents of religious authoritarianism do not offer any reasons to convince anyone else why their preferred social and legal regimes are better than alternatives, why such regimes ought to be followed by others, etc. Indeed, the whole point of faith is that the faithful feel really strongly about it, cannot give reasons to support their views that convince anyone who does not also accept a number of prior propositions on faith, and also cannot prove the truth of their faith.

So what we have is a false moral debate - with one side engaging in moral reasoning, attempting to resolve the content of rights, what human dignity required, whether well-being matters and in what contexts, and similar moral questions. This side frames the argument in those terms. The other side refuses to engage with the reasoning, but offers up its emotional reactions and preferences, without justification or reasoning, and holds them to be beyond questioning and reproach. That may be true, where their private lives and norms are concerned, but as we have seen, they are attempting to interfere with the lives of others and impose norms on everyone.

Caving in to this is a mistake: If you accept that any consideration can be moral and normatively compelling, so long as it is sufficiently deeply held by the person who offers it in a public policy debate, and if, therefore, you accept that public policy positions need not be reasoned or justified persuasively, only that their proponent deeply feel and believe them to be true, then you are rejecting moral reasoning in public policy debates altogether. You are rejecting that truly moral considerations, like rights and human dignity, have any special force in such debates. You are simply allowing the loudest, angriest side to sway the deliberation.

And, note to Obama and his “moderate” supporters who admire his compromises on everything from women’s and gay equality to torture and governemtn transparency: If your every principle is subject to compromise with such loud, angry people and their emotional reactions and preferences, then you don’t really have any principles in the first place.

Comment #44: Luke  on  06/08  at  07:22 AM

pablo—it takes birds a while to find a feeder.  Once you get one on it, the rest will come.  It took most of a month for the birds to find my suet feeder in the dead of winter.  Then it was katy bar the door.

Comment #45: speedbudget  on  06/08  at  09:35 AM

Those “liberals” betrayed progressives by bringing the primaries down to Obama and Clinton.

Interesting.  Usually those who blame Obama-voters for selling progressivism down the river are blaming us for not choosing Clinton. 

Who was your favored candidate?

Comment #46: Seraph  on  06/08  at  09:56 AM

Interesting side-note: Andrew Sullivan of all people has been running a feature called “It’s So Personal” since George Tiller’s assassination (which he refers to as such) where he posts - without comment - the stories of readers who’ve had late-term abortions, thought they might need one, or endured the pain of carrying a doomed pregnancy to term.  In a conservative forum, no less. 

Apparently it’s shaking a lot of his “certainties”, not to mention those of his readers. 

It’s almost like Abortion was nothing more than a shibboleth to them, a sign of tribal identification in their Culture War, until they started hearing from the actual people involved.  Imagine that.

Sometimes I think that’s the real difference between liberals and conservatives.  We don’t need to get to know someone personally before we can feel compassion for them (that, and we don’t consider compassion in the abstract to be “bleeding heart” weakness).

Comment #47: Seraph  on  06/08  at  10:43 AM

“...until they started hearing from the actual people involved.”

That all sounds well and good until you read hackjobs like this one from Steven Waldman at Huffington Post.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/steven-waldman/the-inconvenient-truths-f_b_210821.html

Waldman uses an old Guttmacher poll to insinuate that “maybe these heart-wrenching stories are not typical.”  He also notes “And saving the life or health of the mother wasn’t mentioned at all. Points for the pro-life side,” without any mention of how unlikely that is or calling the poll into question.  It’s a game, with “points,” apparently.

Guttmacher has newer polls.

A cursory review of fatal birth defects like anencephaly will also bring the poll he cherry picked into question, as the prevalence far exceeds what the poll intimates (note: wiki’s prevalence stat is complete bunk and the cite doesn’t even support the claim).  Attempts to correct Mr. Waldman’s “inconvenient truths” with links to the newer Guttmacher numbers and cites to prevalence of fatal birth defects did not make it through the commenting system.  Odd that.  I’m sure it’s just a technical glitch or a simple time delay, at least until it falls off the front page.  I know that sounds paranoid, but I don’t care.

I wonder if we’ll see any sort of response to this flimsy piece by Mr. Waldman at HuffPo, or if we’ll just continue to get more praise for the likes of Alexia Kelley.

Comment #48: Day  on  06/08  at  11:57 AM

I meant wiki’s stat on anencephaly prevalence is complete bunk.

Wiki currently says ” 1 out of 150,000 to 200,000 babies is born with anencephaly each year,” a number I’ve seen repeated in the media.  CDC has it at 1 in every 4,000 births, a number more in line with current medical literature. 

http://www.cdc.gov/ncbddd/birthdefects/Anencephaly.htm

Comment #49: Day  on  06/08  at  12:15 PM

I’m mystified as to why anyone even thinks that catholics and catholicism in general have anyone’s best interests in mind other than the church’s.
And also why we’re keeping the “faith based” ANYTHING in government anymore. It’s so antithetical to the Constitution. GAAAAHHH!!!

Comment #50: Danica Lefse Queen  on  06/08  at  03:30 PM

Who was your favored candidate?

Any of the progressive candidates who Were Not Electable.

Waldman uses an old Guttmacher poll to insinuate that “maybe these heart-wrenching stories are not typical.”

The basis of any rightwing policy is selfishness. It doesn’t matter if the rightwingers in question know the person getting an abortion personally or not; it matters whether or not they care about that person. Abortion is something only they can be responsible with, just like violence and sexuality. It’s literally okay only when they do it. It is not an ideology; it is a bunch of assholes whining. That is why it is immune to debate.

Specifically, concerning selfishness and abortion:

http://mypage.direct.ca/w/writer/anti-tales.html

Comment #51: No One of Consequence  on  06/08  at  06:19 PM

The circular firing squad is in top form in this thread.

Comment #52: Blue Fielder  on  06/09  at  12:52 AM

Any of the progressive candidates who Were Not Electable.

Imagine, just for a moment, that I didn’t participate in whatever debate you’re still carrying on with - well, everyone, it seems - and actually need a goddamn straight answer to know who you’re talking about.  Think you can help me with that?

Comment #53: Seraph  on  06/09  at  01:25 AM
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