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Wingnuts move from denying we’re Real® to denying we even exist

It would be hard to imagine a worsening of the panic amongst right wing nuts over the realization that fetus-worshiping racists who believe that 95% of their tax money goes to welfare lost the election, but alas, paranoia spirals often have no obvious end point.  The birthers started off with fevered conspiracy theories about how Obama isn’t a Real American®, and now they’re moving onto arguing neither are any of his voters or anyone from the past that might be considered left of George Wallace.  Prepare to produce your birth certificates and have them deemed illegitimate because of the kerning, people, because the erasure of your citizenship, your right to vote, and perhaps your very existence is becoming part of the right wing parlance.  Let’s start with Rep. Bill Cassidy, a congressman from Louisiana.

Democrats are choosing to “go it alone” without the country if they opt to pass healthcare reform on a party-lines basis, one Republican congressman accused Thursday.

“If they go it alone without the Republicans, it also sounds like they want to go it alone without the American people,” Rep. Bill Cassidy (R-La.) told a conservative news radio program in an interview.

This brings up some interesting questions, the first one being, “How does Cassidy think the Democrats gained power, if Americans didn’t vote them in?”  If Americans are strictly against social spending, and Americans don’t vote for Democrats, then how did the Democrats get power?  They didn’t pull a Dubya and have the Supreme Court call off vote counting to get “elected”, either.  The Democrats not only got a lot of American votes, they got the majority.  And they got a big majority, too. 

Obviously, the answer in the minds of the increasingly paranoid wingnuttery is a tautological one: Real Americans® don’t vote for Democrats, thus their election is automatically invalidated.  The Founding Fathers, in all their wisdom, did make one error in forgetting to strip all Democratic voters of their citizenship, even though with the fancy new computer technology we have for voting, the whole thing should be easy.  You hit D on a ballot, and armed guards come to haul you away and put you out on a boat to fend for yourself as a nationless person.  Shouldn’t take many of those for the rest of America to eagerly prove their Real American® status by voting the right way. 

But until the vision can be fully realized, wingnuts will have to be content to rewrite history. At least in Texas, where wingnuts who get to set textbook standards are trying to write them in such a way as to teach students that liberals don’t really exist, or if they do, they live in the shadows and are basically nothing but traitors. 

Texas high school students would learn about such significant individuals and milestones of conservative politics as Newt Gingrich and the rise of the Moral Majority — but nothing about liberals — under the first draft of new standards for public school history textbooks.


Under these proposed standards, students would be required to know the extensive history of movement conservatism, but wouldn’t be taught about historical figures that could be considered liberals, even if they changed history completely.  One wonders how easily you can really skip over, say, MLK, but they’re itching to try.  The whole thing is hilarious, because movement conservatism is a reactionary movement.  It needs liberalism to exist, because that’s what it is organized around opposing.  For instance, teaching about Phyllis Schlafly—-who is singled out as someone that students must absolutely know about, which shows where lies the priorities of the anxious masculinity cases that are writing this nonsense—-while not teaching the history of second wave feminism will be an interesting exercise in stretching those propaganda muscles.  Same story with other historical luminaries that kids will be required to learn about in lieu of learning about the civil rights movement, the New Deal, the anti-war movement, or feminism: Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, and James Dobson.  None of these vampires exist as figureheads without the lifeblood of progressivism to drink.  How do you extol the virtues of oppression when you won’t admit the oppressed exist?  They have an answer:

“I think, at the end of the day, we will want the young students to be able to identify what’s conservative, what’s their advocacy and who are the conservative groups, individuals and leaders. And what is liberal in contrast,” Mercer said.

They don’t need to teach about historical liberal figures, because you can just assume that they’re everyone that isn’t a conservative luminary, and you can judge them by the paranoid accusations of the right.  What a bargain!

Obviously, I’m not against teaching about Phyllis Schlafly, who is an important historical figure for the role she played in fighting to maintain women’s status as second class citizens.  But it’s clear what the wingnuts are afraid of.  If you teach what happened honestly, Schlafly is going to come across as the monster she is.  After all, this is the language of the amendment she opposed:

Equality of rights under the law shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or by any State on account of sex.

I have strong suspicions that teaching of Schlafly as an American hero will have to follow her strategy of lying about and concealing the actual wording of the ERA she was successful in killing, because if you look at the facts on the ground, the conclusion is inescapable: Schlafly is opposed to the belief that women are equal citizens.  And indeed, she’s written extensively about her belief that women should be the legal property of their husbands—-I’ve seen her excuse marital rape and suggest that a woman who left her husband after he threw her through a wall was a screeching harpy poisoned by feminism. Most high school students are sexist, as are most people in general, but few are going to be on board with the idea that the law should legally treat women not as citizens, but as property.  So their only choice is to avoid teaching the truth, and just make vague hand gestures about how Schlafly was against “feminism”, which will only be defined as the horrible thing that this American hero opposed.

They’re desperate.  This has extended beyond just denying that the President is a legitimate citizen, and has moved into insinuating that most voters aren’t legitimate citizens and that most historical figures who’ve shaped our country to be what it is aren’t legitimate historical figures. 

 

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Posted by Amanda Marcotte on 10:41 AM • (44) Comments

It would be hard to imagine a worsening of the panic amongst right wing nuts over the realization that fetus-worshiping racists who believe that 95% of their tax money goes to welfare, but alas, paranoia spirals often have no obvious end point.

Try again.

Comment #1: Alkaloid  on  08/24  at  10:50 AM

Look on the bright side ... I’ve never heard of a high school American history class that managed to make it past Vietnam before the end of the school year.

Comment #2: chingona  on  08/24  at  10:55 AM

THIS is why I want there to be national standards for things, and I worry about the entire concept of ‘states rights’. Because when a state as large as Texas is able to opt out of the reality based curriculum?

You have issues. Big big issues.

Comment #3: Nora Bombay  on  08/24  at  11:14 AM

Supposedly, they’ve stripped the bio of Abe Lincoln.  I mean, I know, Texas, not too fond of “that man” but seriously?  REPUBLICANS denying that LINCOLN is a historical figure?!?!

Comment #4: Scott the Obscure  on  08/24  at  11:23 AM

Our issues from this are even bigger.  TX abnd CA basically set the standards for national textbooks because they are so big.  So Texas standards are going to screw over reality based history classes cross country.

Comment #5: helen w. h.  on  08/24  at  11:28 AM

It’s kind of frightening when the US begins to resemble Iran.

Comment #6: atheist  on  08/24  at  11:32 AM

It’s not “hilarious” because my kid is going to be in Texas schools in two years. I may have to move him elsewhere if the Texas school system becomes such a laughingstock that no college will accept his diploma.

Aside from conservative ego-stroking, I take this as another attempt to torpedo the public school system, as parents who don’t want their kids to be laughingstocks will be even more inclined to go private. And poor kids will become even less competitive and be more poorly educated. It’s a threefer.

Comment #7: emjaybee  on  08/24  at  11:40 AM

Under these proposed standards, students would be required to know the extensive history of movement conservatism, but wouldn’t be taught about historical figures that could be considered liberals, even if they changed history completely.  One wonders how easily you can really skip over, say, MLK, but they’re itching to try.

Wait, didn’t I see a bunch of banners at the ‘08 GOP Convention specifically stating that MLK was a Republican?  I’m sure while we’re whitewashing history we can neatly excise LBJ from the White House during the Civil Rights Movement and teach a full six week course about how Dwight D. Eisenhower and Richard Nixon lead the charge for civil rights against the evil racist Dixiecrats throughout the south.

Look on the bright side ... I’ve never heard of a high school American history class that managed to make it past Vietnam before the end of the school year.

Ditto that.  The AP classes get even more focused, picking a 50 year time period and teaching almost exclusively on it.  My junior year consisted of learning almost entirely about the run from the end of the civil war, through reconstruction, and into the industrial revolution.  I think we spent maybe a week on the entire American Revolution.

If the GOP thinks it can keep condensing classes and cutting education funding and still work in early 90s Congressional politics… wow are they in for a wild ride.

Comment #8: Zifnab  on  08/24  at  12:41 PM

Those are some scary links, AM.

The whole thing is hilarious, because movement conservatism is a reactionary movement.  It needs liberalism to exist, because that’s what it is organized around opposing.  For instance, teaching about Phyllis Schlafly—-who is singled out as someone that students must absolutely know about, which shows where lies the priorities of the anxious masculinity cases that are writing this nonsense—-while not teaching the history of second wave feminism will be an interesting exercise in stretching those propaganda muscles.

Great point - those standing in opposition to this spite-washing of history would be well-served to generously crib from your post.

Comment #9: Tommy Deelite  on  08/24  at  12:44 PM

It’s even worse, as many people in other places have pointed out, because Texas is such a big customer, textbooks nationwide are often written to be in accordance with Texas law.

This might be a big enough break to cause an outcry elsewhere, but looking at the evolution “controversy” a lot of textbooks just drop the issue rather than address it at all to be in line with Texas requirements.

This might get liberals dropped from textbooks nationwide.

Comment #10: Lymis  on  08/24  at  12:48 PM

Well, that’s it then.  The Republican Party is a bunch of Communists.  After all, it was good ol’ Stalin and his NKVD officers who went through the trouble of “redacting” inconvenient or disgraced people out of photographs, biographies, and histories.

So, COMRADES Limbaugh and Gingrich, that’s your Godless Socialist plan, eh?  COMMIES!

Comment #11: tannenburg  on  08/24  at  12:48 PM

On the other issue, why would this surprise? These are the same folks who solidly declare that nobody who disagrees with them on any theological point is a “real Christian.” Why should the hesitate to declare someone not a real American.

For that matter, why expect them to hesitate to declare someone “not a real human being?” They are perilously close to that on a lot of fronts now.

Comment #12: Lymis  on  08/24  at  12:50 PM

So some kids have this game they like to play.  It’s been going on in their neighborhood for a long long time.  There are some new kids and the other kids, being good kids invite them to join.  The new kids raise a hue and cry that they HATE the rules of the game.  The other kids say, well, ummm, let’s vote and see if we want to change the rules or keep the old ones.  So they do and the old rules win hands down.  The new kids scream how unfair it all is and how they are being excluded and how the old kids are ruining the neighborhood.  The old kids, a bit sad because they wanted some new friends deal with it and go on playing the game just as they always have while the new kids sulk.

Old kids = group that has wanted health care for 60+ years
New kids = well, they’re new because they’re new to the reform neighborhood and did absolutely nothing about it in the old neighborhood they lived in.

Have I missed anything?

Comment #13: Magis  on  08/24  at  12:56 PM

The texas thing is also a way to arbitrarily punish scools and teachers who do a good job teaching. You just ding them because their students can’t recite James Dobson’s birthday. I wonder if there’s enough of a college history establishment to push back the same way the biologists did against Kansas, essentially threatening to stop admitting students who haven’t been taught the basics of their subject matter.

If you follow what’s happening to the wingnut members of congress getting booed for being insufficiently crazy, it sometimes doesn’t seem like there are a lot of Real Americans left. Maybe we’ll have to have a call for immigrants to fill up that empty land.

Comment #14: paul  on  08/24  at  12:59 PM

THIS is why I want there to be national standards for things, and I worry about the entire concept of ‘states rights’. Because when a state as large as Texas is able to opt out of the reality based curriculum?

Oh, there are national standards of a sort for textbooks. Unfortunately and frighteningly, it happens to be Texas that sets them.

The publishers, a cravenly risk-averse bunch to begin with, basically cater to whatever harebrained notions and dumbed-down standards Texan wingnuts have about what children should and shouldn’t be taught, so the whole nation suffers. Combine that with the fact that the other major influencer on textbooks is California, with its basket-case public-sector economy, and this Texan re-writing of history just adds conservative insult to conservative injury (underfunding) to an American public education system already compromised by its underlying philosophy.

Comment #15: Gracchus.  on  08/24  at  01:06 PM

Well, that’s it then.  The Republican Party is a bunch of Communists.

More true than is commonly known* —many of the neoCon “intellectuals” who set the tone in the GOP over the past quarter century were originally Trots of a particularly simple-minded sort—the kind who’d easily have taken up their rival Stalin’s totalitarian propaganda tactics had their side won the struggle for power back in the ‘20s and ‘30s.

* doubtless due to America’s piss-poor attitude toward the relevance of history, which allows for these textbook “revisions.”

Comment #16: Gracchus.  on  08/24  at  01:17 PM

Look on the bright side ... I’ve never heard of a high school American history class that managed to make it past Vietnam before the end of the school year.

I’m a history prof. If the class says “to the present,” I dang well get to the present. Not doing that is a usually a sign of mechanical, rote teaching (though it could be someone who goes off on a lot of tangents - which I do, but I still get to the present). Of which there is a lot in high school, because a lot of people think teaching history is just memorizing the book, so anybody can teach it, right? How many of us had a history teacher named “Coach”? (Raises hand.) And how many of you had a history teacher named “Coach” who had a history or social science or social science education degree? (Hand goes back down.)

The last time I taught modern U.S. (not my field at all, but sometimes I have to fill in), I taught movement conservatism entirely as a reactionary movement. How can you not?

Comment #17: Theron  on  08/24  at  01:30 PM

Fixed, Alk, and another data point for the high threshhold of free content is noted. wink

Comment #18: Amanda Marcotte  on  08/24  at  01:46 PM

“So what did you learn in school today, Sally?”

“Well, daddy, we learned about the Great Depression, and how Franklin Roosevelt caused the stock market to crash when he threatened to raise the Death Tax and increase marginal tax rates to 98%.  And then we learned about how Herbert Hoover was able to end the Great Depression by cutting taxes and adding incentives for Americans to invest in new startups, and creating healthcare co-ops.”

“Did you learn anything else?”

“We learned that General Ronald Reagan was the greatest military leader in World War 2, and also helped build the Atomic Bomb that brought America almost 50-years of peace and prosperity until Bill Clinton and Jimmy Carter decided to force all Americans to kill their unborn children and become mooslims.  This was called ‘The Holocaust’.  Later Mr. Clinton did one good thing when he flew one of the airplanes that hit New York on 9/11 and killed a bunch of liberals.”

“Is that all you learned?”

“We learned all about Doctor Rush Limbaugh and his civil rights marches to free white people from black liberals and end integration.  Then we found out about the man from Kenya, He Who Shall Go Unnamed.  He arrested Good Americans who wanted to not spend their money on welfare queens to buy expensive cars and clothes and listen to rap music.  Then he locked them up into cattle cars and sent them to concentration camps, where they were slowly starved to death by being forced to eat vegetarian food.  And then some Americans got together and created The Wolverines and used their guns to set free the Good Americans from the concentration camps.”

“Well, pumpkin, it sounds like you learned a lot.  Good for you!...”

Comment #19: MikeEss  on  08/24  at  01:54 PM

Wait, didn’t I see a bunch of banners at the ‘08 GOP Convention specifically stating that MLK was a Republican?  I’m sure while we’re whitewashing history we can neatly excise LBJ from the White House during the Civil Rights Movement and teach a full six week course about how Dwight D. Eisenhower and Richard Nixon lead the charge for civil rights against the evil racist Dixiecrats throughout the south.

LOL!  Not with today’s GOP, they won’t.  Instead, we’ll hear how Jim Crow was working swell until those Commie Northern agitators came down to stir up trouble and bother “our people” about voting rights and such.  Why, there wouldn’t have been any violence at all if those pesky civil rights workers had just let Southerners work out their own problems—Jim Crow probably would have fallen by the wayside in another century or two; what was the big rush, anyway?

Considering that there are Southern schools who are teaching students that the Confederacy actually won the Civil War, that’s probably the best we can hope for.

Comment #20: Blue Jean  on  08/24  at  02:06 PM

And then Texans wonder why the rest of the country doesn’t want to have much to do with them!  Good grief.  Unbelievable.  It’s a shame—I’d love to send my kids to Rice University, but that’s out.

Comment #21: Susanne  on  08/24  at  02:09 PM

Most Americans aren’t Republicans.  Most Americans want health care reform.  To “compromise” or be “bipartisan” would be anti-American, because that’s not what most Americans want.  Of course Republicans realize this, and that’s why they try so hard to convince themselves that most Americans just aren’t real and don’t count.

Comment #22: bananacat  on  08/24  at  02:24 PM

More true than is commonly known* —many of the neoCon “intellectuals” who set the tone in the GOP over the past quarter century were originally Trots of a particularly simple-minded sort

Marxism-Leninism: where “class warfare” means the war of the petit bourgeois intellectuals versus large capitalists. wink

David Horowitz also was part of that crowd, which makes his big witchhunt of leftist intellectuals a rather ironic thing.

Comment #23: BlackBloc  on  08/24  at  02:41 PM

I’d so love to prank these guys by having some country singer sing adjusted lyrics to the music for The Internationale and put it on right-wing radio.

Comment #24: tannenburg  on  08/24  at  02:52 PM

I’d so love to prank these guys by having some country singer sing adjusted lyrics to the music for The Internationale and put it on right-wing radio.

Or have a caller-in to one of the talk shows quote from “Mein Kampf.”

Comment #25: Rebecca  on  08/24  at  02:54 PM

It’s a shame—I’d love to send my kids to Rice University, but that’s out.

???

These are high school standards that hopefully won’t actually be adopted. But even if they are, they won’t affect a private university.

Comment #26: chingona  on  08/24  at  02:57 PM

Zifnab, I’m really sorry you got the short end of the history stick, but I took AP US history and now *teach* AP US History. Yes, it goes into more depth into more areas, but it sure as shit covers early US history. There is a promise from the AP board that *ONE THIRD* the test will be on the colonial and revolutionary period. I’ll also point out that since just about every teacher in the country starts at the beginning (not criticizing…) and lacks time management skills, one of the ways that I compensate for this is by rushing over material that my kids have seen a bunch of times previous years and then concentrating on the civil war forward, because they surely will be tested on the twentieth century. And *my* students enjoy a strong pass rate.

I’m with you, Theron. Almost as big a problem as these text books is the SHIT qualifications you need to teach history. Just to be able to answer questions you need to know about everything from soil science to European theory of history to explain motive. Schools won’t hire any schmuck to teach physics, but for some reason any literate moron is allowed to “teach history”.

Comment #27: wreckerofplans  on  08/24  at  04:14 PM

For those who repeat history because they can’t remember it, I took a little Joseph Gebbels speech and updated the people and places to pre-Obama U.S. context.  Read is and be frightened by the similarity of the rhetoric of the Reich and the Right:

“I ask, which leader is it today that has the vision, the willpower, and yes, the backbone to best protect us?

The clear answer to that question has placed me in this hall with you tonight.

There is but one man to whom I am willing to entrust our future and that man’s name is President Bush.

There are some crazy men who would kill us if they could. So President Bush has told us: ‘All private plans, all private lives, have been in a sense repealed by an overriding public danger.’

But where is the national unity in this country when we need it most?

Now, while young Americans are dying in the sand in Iraq and the mountains of Afghanistan, our nation is being torn apart and made weaker because of the Democrats manic obsession to bring down our leader.

What has happened to the nation I’ve spent my life working in?

I can remember when Democrats believed that it was the duty of American to fight for freedom over tyranny.

Time after time in our history, in the face of great danger, Americans worked together to ensure that freedom would not falter. But not today.

Motivated more by partisan politics than by national security, today’s Democratic leaders see American as an occupier, not a liberator.

And nothing makes me madder than someone calling American troops occupiers rather than liberators.

Tell that to the Iraqis and Afghanis, who have been freed because President Bush led an army of liberators, not occupiers.

Tell that to the millions of men, women, and children who are free today from the Bhagdad to Mosul, from Khandahr to Kabol because President Bush built a military of liberators, not occupiers.

Never in the history of the world has any soldier sacrificed more for the freedom and liberty of total strangers than the American soldier. And our soldiers don’t just give freedom abroad; they preserve it for us here at home.

Right now, the world just cannot afford an indecisive America. Fainthearted, self-indulgence will put at risk all we care about in this world.

In this hour of danger, our president has had the courage to stand up. And I am proud to stand up with him.

God bless this great country and God bless President Bush.”

Comment #28: Randomizer  on  08/24  at  04:48 PM

Chingona, if you send your kids to Rice University, they will learn that white people are students, black people serve them food, and Hispanic people keep their grounds tidy. 

I’m given to understand other subjects are also taught.

Comment #29: Punditus Maximus  on  08/24  at  05:04 PM

Reading some of the comments on the chronicle article, I am not surprised someone commented on how many schools in the south gloss over/ignore the fact the Confederacy lost the civil war.  I’ve also heard that way the Civil War is taught in South Carolina is to emphasize the fact it was all about “States Rights” and the big bad bullying North vs the virtuous south trying to preserve “good old southern tradition” while leaving out almost any discussion of the evils of slavery with the exception of some who said slavery wasn’t as bad as it sounds.  rolleyes

Comment #30: exholt  on  08/24  at  05:57 PM

exholt - I remember in grade school listening to the whole “industrialization/modernization in the North versus agricultural South” explanation of the Civil War (and this was in Wisconsin.)  John Brown and the Abolitionists were given a cursory gloss but the Civil War was reduced to an economic struggle…

Comment #31: tannenburg  on  08/24  at  06:01 PM

Yes, the “War of Northern Aggression.”  And all about “states’ rights.”  Morons.  And anyway, the only place a Confederate flag belongs is in a museum. 
And what’s with calling people from the north “Yankees” anyway?  It comes across so stupid—um, guys, war’s been over for 150 years.

Comment #32: Susanne  on  08/24  at  06:14 PM

And what’s with calling people from the north “Yankees” anyway?  It comes across so stupid—um, guys, war’s been over for 150 years.

Try telling that to some southerners I’ve encountered who never tire of saying “THE SOUTH IS GONNA RISE AGAIN!”

Comment #33: exholt  on  08/24  at  06:51 PM

You know, if I’m still going to be called a “Southern Belle” I feel that it’s fully within my rights to respond by calling you a “Damn Yankee.”  Accent doesn’t dictate intelligence.

Comment #34: Mimi  on  08/24  at  07:36 PM

Exholt and tannenburg:  yes, at least in the schools in Arkansas and North Carolina that I attended in the 1970s.  Oklahoma had it’s own revision of red-blooded-Americans-vs-the-noble-natives slant on their history.

Mimi, my Southern brother-in-law has pointed out that it’s been his experience that outside of the South, a woman with an accent is considered charming, but that a man with the same accent is considered stupid until proven otherwise.

Comment #35: NobleExperiments  on  08/24  at  08:18 PM

NobleExperiments—That’s pretty much it.  The assumption is that if the folks we keep seeing on the TV are the leaders . . .

Comment #36: Punditus Maximus  on  08/24  at  08:21 PM

NobleExperiments, sure, charming, adorable, sweet, it’s almost like you’d call her a Southern Belle!  When you’re a Computer Science major and one of the six women in your difficult major, charming isn’t really a compliment.  It’s an “aren’t you sweet!” put-down. 

“[A] man with the same accent is considered stupid until proven otherwise.”

Whereas a woman with the same accent is considered stupid flat out.  But, you know, charming!  Until she’s proven she’s at least sixteen times as smart as the least cro-magnon of her cohorts, and at the same time poven she’s sufficiently female as to be perfectly coiffed (or making some sort of statement about dress-codes), provided extensive study-guides for her male cohorts, cooked many meals for them so as to provide her with the “priviledge” of studying with them, been more willing to be demure than the “Northern” women he’s known, and must I go on?

Comment #37: Mimi  on  08/24  at  09:14 PM

Mimi, my Southern brother-in-law has pointed out that it’s been his experience that outside of the South, a woman with an accent is considered charming, but that a man with the same accent is considered stupid until proven otherwise.

From my observations in NYC, Boston, and Ohio, a southern accent, especially among Whites is often associated by northerners with lower levels of intelligence, latent racist tendencies, smug provincial anti-intellectualism, extreme religious/political conservatism, and a desire to refight the Civil War through displays of the Confederate flag or denouncing anyone who argues against the “Lost Cause” school of Civil War Historiography. 

Some of this is probably one factor in why there is some shame in the US NE towards openly admitting one loves country music as that’s considered dismissively as a sign of “unsophisticated” and even “reactionary” tastes….especially in some progressive liberal activist circles and in academia.  Keep in mind, this all took place well before the Dixie Chicks openly criticized W with the subsequent brouhaha from the wingnuts. 

Then again, I have heard accounts from some southern undergrad classmates that folk guitar music is treated with similar disdain by most in their hometowns as a sign of “effete”, “radical”, and “elitist” liberal tendencies.

Comment #38: exholt  on  08/24  at  09:46 PM

Chingona, if you send your kids to Rice University, they will learn that white people are students, black people serve them food, and Hispanic people keep their grounds tidy.

And this is different from the majority of private universities how?

The poster said she wanted to send her kids there but now wouldn’t because of something to do with this post, something I still don’t understand.

Comment #39: chingona  on  08/25  at  01:14 AM

Look on the bright side ... I’ve never heard of a high school American history class that managed to make it past Vietnam before the end of the school year.</blockquotw>
Vietnam? I don’t think any of mine made it through WWII!

<blockquote>These are the same folks who solidly declare that nobody who disagrees with them on any theological point is a “real Christian.”

A criticism they also level at people who DO agree with them but ACT on their beliefs. See also: the reaction whenever a Christian commits a crime or gets caught red-handed doing something immoral and/or illegal…

Comment #40: Devonian  on  08/25  at  02:35 AM

Wait, didn’t I see a bunch of banners at the ‘08 GOP Convention specifically stating that MLK was a Republican?  I’m sure while we’re whitewashing history we can neatly excise LBJ from the White House during the Civil Rights Movement and teach a full six week course about how Dwight D. Eisenhower and Richard Nixon lead the charge for civil rights against the evil racist Dixiecrats throughout the south.

LOL!  Not with today’s GOP, they won’t.  Instead, we’ll hear how Jim Crow was working swell until those Commie Northern agitators came down to stir up trouble and bother “our people” about voting rights and such.  Why, there wouldn’t have been any violence at all if those pesky civil rights workers had just let Southerners work out their own problems—Jim Crow probably would have fallen by the wayside in another century or two; what was the big rush, anyway?

Sadly, your hyperbole isn’t very far from reality:

“When Strom Thurmond ran for president, we voted for him. We’re proud of it. And if the rest of the country had followed our lead, we wouldn’t have had all these problems over the years, either.”

-U.S. Senator Trent Lott (R-MS), December 5, 2002

Comment #41: DTG in STL  on  08/25  at  07:42 AM

Yeah, DTG, I grew up with a lot of folks who thought the whole Civil War was unnecessary; if “Lincoln could have just left us alone”, then slavery would have died out in another hundred years or so when…I don’t know…when John Deere invented tractors or something.  The fact that the Confederacy picked this fight when they chose to leave the Union doesn’t factor into their equations, nor does the fact that slavery (and later Jim Crow) was fundamentally unjust.  To them, the suffering of non-white people doesn’t count, any more than the suffering of women counts.

*sigh*

Comment #42: Blue Jean  on  08/25  at  01:40 PM

When I pointed out those two facts to them, I’d usually get a blank look and/or a “What are you? A Commie or something?”

Comment #43: Blue Jean  on  08/25  at  01:44 PM

When I pointed out those two facts to them, I’d usually get a blank look and/or a “What are you? A Commie or something?”

Explains some of the vitriol and outrage over Alice Randall’s The Wind Done Gone....or any arguments disputing the historical veracity of “Gone With The Wind” in either medium. rolleyes

Comment #44: exholt  on  08/26  at  01:22 AM
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