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Women’s happiness isn’t so mysterious after all

Books

As I mentioned in my interview with her at Reality Cast, Ariel Gore picked the right time to write a book about women and happiness.  Gore didn’t start out writing Bluebird: Women and the New Psychology of Happiness because of a study on women’s subjective happiness relative to men—-and a media blitz that took a relatively small shift between men and women and used it to argue that women, being small-minded creatures, would be better off without feminism, freedom and quite possibly literacy and the right to vote.  But she had the fortune to release her book during this blitz, and boy, is it a breath of fresh air.  Because Gore is a logical, reasonable person who actually bothers to read the research about happiness, and unsurprisingly, the idea that having more freedom automatically makes women less happy is a thesis she engages and quickly rejects.  The NY Times-style mainstream media tends to think women aren’t people, because women are the opposite of men in their reckoning, so if men are people, women can’t be.  But Gore and all the psychologists she engages tend to think that women are people like men are, and subject to the same pressures and psychological cues.  They think this mainly because of evidence and common sense.

Gore actually reads the U Penn study on women and happiness, apparently unlike all the media outlets trumpeting it, and discovers that the researchers are as skeptical of blaming feminism as she is.  This is probably because the mountains of research on happiness that are out there—-much of which Gore reads and reports on in this book—-indicate that helplessness isn’t really very good for someone’s ability to be happy.  After all, the guru of happiness studies is Martin Seligman, who decided to start studying what creates happiness in no small part because he was also the guy who discovered the learned helplessness response.  Which is, he discovered that creatures who have a lack of control over their environment become anxious and basically give up.  A multitude of other studies, including one involving nursing home patients given plants to take care of, have demonstrated something similar.  The way Gore puts it is this: self-determination is an important part of being happy.  Thus, feminism is crucial for women’s happiness, because it provides us control over our bodies, our decisions, our lives.  We can end unhappy marriages, choose when to have children, have a measure of independence.  These things alone cannot make you happy, but without these things, happiness is much harder to achieve, impossible in some cases, such as when dependence means inability to escape violence and abuse.

So why are women less happy than men?  Gore has a lot of really interesting ideas that make a lot more sense, especially coupled with the research, than a bunch of anti-feminist concern trolling.  And she makes a very convincing case, because she weaves the research in with interviews with other women about happiness and her own personal observations about herself and her own happiness.  Since happiness is an extremely complicated subject, Gore’s personal observations about her own life and her own quest to be happy make a lot of the trends clear.  For instance, on paper there seems to be a conflict between the fact that grateful people are happier, but self-determination is also necessary—-after all, dependence should instill feelings of gratitude, right?  (And to back up this contention is research showing men are less grateful, in part because they tend to downplay how much their well-being depends on others.)  But put in the context of a human’s life, the complexity is easier to understand.  Taking the time to be grateful for what you have to buck against demanding that you have the right to self-determination.  For instance, you can take time to be grateful to your feminist foremothers for winning you the right to vote and control your own fertility. 


One of the most entertaining aspects of Gore’s book is her struggle with the hokey aspects of positive psychology.  Even though America has a culture of forceful friendliness and cheeriness—-and women especially are required to be life’s cheerleaders—-there’s also a streak of puritanism that inclines us to think that we’ll be more motivated to work harder if we take a grim view in certain aspects.  And if you doubt this, look for instance at the American attitude towards physical fitness.  We approach it with a dreadful, punishing attitude—-you have to do this or you’ll be fat/sick/loser/die early.  And people who take an upbeat approach, and talk about feeling better and being stronger and actually enjoying the process get cynical eyerolling.  We find taking pleasure in these things to be uncool, somehow, which is one reason that our culture worships the hyper-thin bodies of anorexic models, because they are physical representations of choosing discipline over pleasure.  Gore often struggles personally in this book with feeling unworthy of taking joy, or cynical about feeling grateful, or anxious at taking the time to “loaf”—-do things with the express purpose of chilling out a little.  I think we can all relate.

And because of this, she has a useful insight into the question of why women’s subjective happiness has fallen relative to men’s in the past 30 years or so.  Higher expectations is part of it, but Gore is skeptical of writing it off solely to that, pointing out (rightfully) that higher expectations are an important factor in getting out there and fighting for yourself, an important part of happiness.  Gore keeps coming back to the ideas of “flow” and “loafing” as two experiences one must regularly engage in order to be happy.  Flow is the ability to get absorbed in a task that challenges but that you are the master of, and to lose track of time in it.  Loafing is relaxing in an engaged way—-not smoking a joint and zoning out in front of the TV, but taking a walk or even folding laundry in a way that you’re relaxed and really giving your mind some time to process stuff and go to creative places.  Women have much less access to both these experiences than men.  Women, Gore points out, are more interruptible.  There’s a reason that women are less likely to start bands or blogs, are fewer in number in the world of gaming, or play sports as a hobby instead of grimly trying to drop 5 pounds on the treadmill.  This is because there are dishes to do, and women have to do them.  Feminism has given us many things, but the task of giving us the same freedom as men to flow or to loaf is far from over. 

Part of it is that women don’t feel like we deserve these things as much as men, and grappling with this entitlement gap is one of the most interesting aspects of Gore’s book.  Yes, of course there are women who overcome female training in the art of self-sacrifice, but the endless pressure of women to put anyone and everyone before themselves gets to us.  In fact, the idea that women should do for others and not for ourselves is so ingrained that we’re expected to create obligations to others before we start to engage in self-care.  Gore tells of listening to a woman who was taking her trash out, and a male neighbor asked why not make the kids do it.  And the woman pointed out that she doesn’t have or want children.  The man called her “selfish”.  Logically, this makes no sense, since we use the word “selfish” to mean someone whose self-regard harms others, and being childless not only doesn’t do any harm to others, but arguably helps others by freeing up more resources.  But if you think about the term as a sexist term, something that’s flung at women suspected of having entire minutes and perhaps hours to themselves to do things they want to do instead of endlessly serving others, then it makes sense.  But Gore also wisely points out that women who want children are also shamed if they are perceived as putting their relationships to their children before any random demand that others make on them.  If there’s a whiff about you that you might not be engaged in sacrifice at any point in time, then someone is going to be angry with you.

Mostly, Gore takes a refreshingly hard-headed approach to this task of understanding happiness.  She accepts that a lot of what makes people happy is their own constitution—-certainly, the research suggests happiness is a self-perpetuating thing, and naturally cheerful people tend to stay that way because they recover from stress more quickly—-but also that it’s not hopeless, because there are things that make us less happy that are under our control.  She looks at the research and listens to the experts instead of buying into hokey crap like “The Secret”.  (Except for the baffling chapter on money, where she drifts from interesting discussions about how to get over money anxiety into talk about being “open” to money, which reeks of woo and is made worse by references to Inga Muscio, who I can’t stand, because she’s so hostile to science and rationality.)  Gore talks about how spiritual people are likelier to be happy, but grasps that this is because they engage in habits that non-religious people can adopt without giving up their rationality.  And most importantly, she exposes the lie that is “happily ever after”—-at best, happiness is only possible as an ongoing project.  The pursuit of the thing, it turns out, is the thing itself.

 

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Comment #1: Eric_RoM  on  02/14  at  12:27 PM

Happiness is mostly a matter of control.  On the whole, people whose lives are out of their control are less likely to be happy.  So poor and oppressed people are, on the whole, less happy than everyone else.  That’s why so many women are miserable.  As a demographic group they aren’t alone in that by any means, but they sure are when compared to men.

The entitlement gap is something I haven’t considered much, but it makes sense that it would be there since more women are struggling to get through the day than men are.  Familiarity with struggle eventually makes the struggle normal, so toiling away becomes not just normal but expected.  It’s almost as if most women are too busy to expect things.  I’ve long thought “Well, why don’t women be more like men?” without exploring many of the reasons they don’t.  (I never thought “Why don’t those minorities follow white people’s lifestyles?” because that would be ridiculous… but for women: I thought the ridiculous thought.)

As for all the studies that show how miserable people get when they have too many options: they only show how people with too many options indulge their inner-crybaby selves out of guilt over their choices regarding free-range chicken breasts versus farmed salmon.  Whenever I try to figure out which of my projects to get to next, I’m not miserable because I can’t decide.  I’m just being indecisive.  I’ve been miserable before: misery is knowing that the bills can’t be paid and I won’t go on a vacation for the fourth year in a row.  Now I get bothered over whether I want to get a passport or if I should visit more of my own country.

Comment #2: 3letterjon  on  02/14  at  12:38 PM

Fixed, and a good example of how women don’t get to “flow”—-I dropped writing halfway through to attend to some minor household chore.  I didn’t have to do it; no one expected it of me.  I’m just that ruined by my feminine training to always be attending to something.

Comment #3: Amanda Marcotte  on  02/14  at  01:10 PM

3letter, I think you’re so right about how studies on too many choices get blown out of proportion.  Having 15 kinds of cheddar to choose from can cause choice paralysis, but I’m not sure it follows that people should have basic self-determination stripped from them for their own good.

Of course, the “strip people of self-determination” thing gets applies mainly to women.  But the evidence is that men are happier than women because they have more control over their time, and that is increasing for men as expectations on what makes you a Good Man are relaxed, in no small part because feminism has relieved men of having to always be the grim, breadwinning leader.

Comment #4: Amanda Marcotte  on  02/14  at  01:12 PM

I think you also have to differentiate between *meaningful* choices and choices about which among dozens of similar consumer products to buy.  Lack of the former leads to unhappiness; lack of the latter might actually make us more likely to find time to ‘flow’ and ‘loaf’.

Comment #5: teabea  on  02/14  at  02:19 PM

I think you also have to differentiate between *meaningful* choices and choices about which among dozens of similar consumer products to buy.

Exactly.  A company that I like, Apple, takes the “less is more” approach to consumer choices.  They assume that most consumers don’t really know much about computer specs, and don’t really care; consumers just want a product that will do what they want it to do.  So Apple offers several clearly delineated model lines of computers, and within those model lines, a couple clearly different levels of quality.  This way consumers can more accurately gauge which computer meets their needs.

On the other hand, there are times when you do really care about whatever it is you’re buying, and you know a lot about it.  I’m sure 15 different kinds of cheddar to choose from would be great for a chef or a cheese connoisseur, the way infinitely configurable PCs are great for the computer hobbyist.

When it comes to life choices, most people DO know a lot about themselves and their lives, and they DO really care.  So it is wrong to limit people’s choices for their own good.  Applying studies about consumer behavior to life in general is ridiculous.

Comment #6: Denise  on  02/14  at  02:47 PM

The idea that anyone is happier with fewer choices seems to be tied to a belief that authoritarian personalities—who do prefer having decisions made for them—are normative.

Authoritarian personalities (and people who find them convenient to use—Hello, Religious Right!) have an interest in perpetuating that view (in fact, it’s not clear that authoritarians can perceive any other), but I can’t see why anyone else would.

Which is why you can reasonably predict that anyone who thinks women are happier with fewer choices will know exactly what those choices should be limited to.

Comment #7: Molly, NYC  on  02/14  at  03:12 PM

I’ve realized in recent years, despite the fact that I’ve been living alone for over 10 years now, that I don’t have to clean or cook or whatever else if I don’t want to. I’ll wake up on a Saturday or Sunday, just dreading the loss of my day to chores, and then I realize: I actually don’t have to clean the bathroom. I can take a nap or go to a museum or see a movie if I want to instead. It sounds so silly and basic, but it was a huge thing for me, and that moment of taking back control really is kind of joyful for me.

On the “too many choices is a bad thing” idea, I only remember reading one article on this but I thought the main idea was that people preferred security over too many choices, where it’s actually that security that enables greater self-determination. Social Security and health care are perfect examples. I don’t enjoy spending my days researching investments and how to manage my retirement, or flipping through different health care plans and comparing pros and cons. I just want to know I’m not going to be homeless when I’m old, and that if I get sick, I can get care without going bankrupt. The current systems for managing these issues are centered on the idea of choice but I think they’re actually quite limiting over the long term. Think of all the people who can’t leave their jobs because they need the health care or don’t want to give up their retirement benefits. More choice is not always the key to greater self-determination (at least not when dealing with matters that shape your financial security).

Comment #8: antiope  on  02/14  at  03:19 PM

Having plenty of choices can be overwhelming and paralyzing, especially if one doesn’t have the knowledge and/or the tools to meaningfully evaluate them.  Being able to have/gain such knowledge and/or tools is not only empowering in being able to perform such evaluations, but also to see if those choices are meaningful in the first place. 

Exactly.  A company that I like, Apple, takes the “less is more” approach to consumer choices.  They assume that most consumers don’t really know much about computer specs, and don’t really care; consumers just want a product that will do what they want it to do.  So Apple offers several clearly delineated model lines of computers, and within those model lines, a couple clearly different levels of quality.  This way consumers can more accurately gauge which computer meets their needs.

On the other hand, there are times when you do really care about whatever it is you’re buying, and you know a lot about it.  I’m sure 15 different kinds of cheddar to choose from would be great for a chef or a cheese connoisseur, the way infinitely configurable PCs are great for the computer hobbyist.

Incidentally, Apple is learning from the mistakes they made 15+ years ago where they had too many ill-defined product lines which confused consumers…especially when the prices were around the same as your typical decked out Macbook Pro today.  They have also been positioning themselves as a boutique brand associated with those in creative fields like artists in direct contrast to the more generic corporate image of PCs….the very image IBM and OEM marketers used back in the 1980’s to market their computers as “serious business tools” rather than an “expensive toy” for the artsy hippie set.  It is amusing to see how Apple has used the very marketing once used to denigrate them to their great advantage in the aughts with ads like “I’m a PC vs I’m a Mac” where the stereotype of a corporate drone is pitted against one of an artsy hipster. 

Infinitely configurable PCs are also not only for hobbyists, but also IT professionals who want more flexibility and some cost-effectiveness than what Apple offers.

Comment #9: exholt  on  02/14  at  03:52 PM

Great post.  I also suspect that women are more likely to report unhappiness than men, simply because women are culturally taught to be more aware of their feelings.  A woman who has a satisfying career but not much of a social life might report being a 4 on a happiness scale (with 10 being the highest) because even if she’s mostly satisfied sometimes she feels a little lonely while a male with the exact same situation might report being an 8 or so.  Just my hunch.

Comment #10: Lurker  on  02/14  at  03:57 PM

I’ve definitely seen people try to use “choice paralysis” to diagnosis modern people—-especially women—-as unhappy in love because they’re always chasing after something better.  The Lori Gottlieb problem, in other words.  But the statistics don’t bear this out.  Educated, professional women are the ones targeted for concern trolling about choice paralysis and unhappiness in love, but as we all know now, they’re more likely to marry, stay married, and be happy with it.  It shouldn’t be hard to see why.  It’s much more up front trouble to date heavily, instead of marrying the first guy you sleep with, sure.  But you learn so much about what you want and what makes you happy in the process that you make a better selection.

Comment #11: Amanda Marcotte  on  02/14  at  04:05 PM

Awesome post, and I’ve loved Ariel Gore ever since I stumbled across The Hip Mama Survival Guide back in the late 90s.

Comment #12: Lisa KS  on  02/14  at  04:11 PM

I think the point about women’s time being interruptible is also tied heavily to the idea that many of the household chores women do are, or should be, invisible.  Oh, you’re folding pillowcases?  That can be done any time, come hold a flashlight for me so I can plug in a new set of computer speakers.  Never mind that folding things right when they come out of the dryer means (depending on the things, and the dryer) that they won’t have to be ironed later, taking up even more time—what’s important is that somebody is asking for a favour right this very second, and folding can be done any time.  Domestic work isn’t valued, but the product of it is demanded.

Also, re: choice, I find having too many choices is paralyzing only when there’s a deeper issue going on.  If I’m already stressed out I’ll probably crave simplicity, but it’s not because simplicity is inherently better.  It’s because I’m already angsting about six million other things and I just don’t want to deal with anything that asks more of me, so I don’t want to arrive in a supermarket with ‘deodorant’ written on my list only to realize my usual brand has redone their packaging and trotted out new lines for me to sift through.  If I’m not stressed, I’m glad to know there are more kinds of deodorant out there, because each one will be a little different and suit different people better.  (Raspberry scented deodorant doesn’t makes sense to me either way, but it’s a choice, and presumably some people like exercising that option.)

Comment #13: fluffster  on  02/14  at  04:47 PM

For instance, on paper there seems to be a conflict between the fact that grateful people are happier, but self-determination is also necessary—-after all, dependence should instill feelings of gratitude, right?

Not so much . . . there’s something really, solidly grating about being forced to let somebody else take care of what you would like to be capable of yourself.

I mean, sure, it’s nice to have somebody to help you avoid the negative consequences of something, but sometimes having somebody else do that carries consequences of its own, and the inability to accomplish it yourself can lead to feeling weak, helpless, frustrated, stupid, or otherwise unhappy. (Not to mention that the assistance may come on its own time, or be dependent on someone’s whim, which is at best annoying and at worst dehumanizing.)

And enforced helplessness, of course, is infuriating—-to want to learn something but be unable to because no one is willing to teach you or let you leran, or to know full well how to do something but be prevented from doing so (which leads to the consequences of it going undone, or leads to you oweing somebody else for it, or results in people condescendingly continuing to think you incompetent, forcing you to live down to their expectations).

I remember being younger and traveling home from a group camping trip (girl scouts, maybe?) and getting a flat tire, and offering to change it and being told by our adult (female) driver that no, she was going to call and wait for a man to come and change it.  I was in tears the rest of the way home, due to having been effectively told that I was so incompetent I couldn’t justify trying.  She lowered me to a sexist stereotype of a helpless little woman, even though I wasn’t.

I’m still pissed.

So, no, dependence isn’t really sufficient to inspire gratitude.  Thoughtful kindness is.

Comment #14: Kyra  on  02/14  at  04:47 PM

Denmark is frequently ranked at the top of the happiness index.  A solid social safety net is probably a big part of it.  The Danish people are also noted for having low expectations.  There might be something to the low expectations thing.  If you expect to win a national championship 8-4 is a disaster.  If you didn’t win a single game last year 8-4 is thrilling.

Comment #15: Seth  on  02/14  at  04:50 PM

On the feminine training front—I remember the exact moment when I realized that I didn’t give a fiddler’s fart if people found me unlikeable.  Because, you know, as a person with ladybits you’re supposed to get along with everyone.  But there I was, in the laundry room, arguing with a neighbor about leaving one’s clothes in the washer after the wash cycle was done (she felt that this was acceptable behavior, I did not) and I just realized, you know what?  I don’t have any reason to want to be friendly with you.  I think you’re a jackass, and I’m not interested in you liking me or thinking well of me, so fuck off.  In retrospect, it seems like such a little thing, but realizing—really realizing it, in no uncertain terms—that I don’t really care about being liked was incredibly liberating.  And, paradoxically, it’s made me happier.

(Insert standard disclaimer here about how I’m not a jackass to everyone I know.  Obviously I make an effort to get along with people I like and respect.  But I don’t need every person I ever meet to think that’s I’m super-nice and fun to hang out with.)

Comment #16: LauraB  on  02/14  at  05:14 PM

Lots of choices highlights opportunity cost, i.e. if you choose one thing (on a budget, or what-have-you), you are rejecting the other choices.  If there’s three things you’re choosing from, you’re rejecting two things, whereas if there’s fifteen things to choose from, you’re rejecting fourteen, and there’s a psychological feeling of deprivation that bringing those items into the decision process has created.

Plus it decreases the soothing feeling of “I can have the other(s) later.  Salmon vs. sea bass? Get one this week and one next week. Salmon vs sea bass vs trout vs mahi mahi vs crab legs vs trout vs giant prawns vs etcetera etcetera etcetera? Eeeeeg.  I buy stuff at art fairs when there’s one or two or three things that stand out in an “I want THAT one” fashion from a single artist, but when it’s fifty, the choice seems horrendous, and highlights both the possibility for regret and my inability to get them all.

It just sort of increases the definition of the situation by what you can’t have, rather than by what you can.

Regardless, one can long for a forbidden/not offered choice just as much as one can dither over too many choices.  More choices do help the possibility that a right choice will be offered.

Comment #17: Kyra  on  02/14  at  05:15 PM

Kyra, I have my own tire changing story for that too. It seems that if a man ever sees a woman with a flat tire, he instantly stops and does it for her. The first time this happened to me, it was nice because I had forgotten a few aspects of tire changing and I was on my way to work. The second time it happened, I just needed help loosening the lug nuts, since they had just been tightened by a machine a few days earlier. The guy proceeded to change the tire himself, even though i indicated that I was perfectly capable of doing that. The third time I had a flat tire, I was so happy because it happened to be after work, in a nearly empty parking lot, where NO ONE could do that shit for me.

Comment #18: Ursula  on  02/14  at  05:23 PM

A whole bunch of meaningless choices (five different brands of comparable cereal, each of which is promoted by insisting that this choice will determine the future course of your life) are depressing, as are choices that are weighted with meaning but are actually largely determined by contextual constraints (“breast or bottle”, for instance, is not a freely made choice when only 50% of working mothers qualify for FMLA and FMLA is only 12 weeks of unpaid leave in the US). I think a lot of women have their pick of uphill battles, when, as Amanda notes, what makes for happiness is more the right to sit down on your butt and stop struggling for five freaking minutes.

This is actually a good reminder for me - I don’t even have kids, but my household composition has recently changed, my family is pretty close-knit and demanding, and I hadn’t realized how much I was getting used to dropping what I was doing because some relation had IM’d me wanting help with something. I am going to try to stop letting that derail all of my alone time.

Comment #19: purpleshoes  on  02/14  at  05:25 PM

The thing that drives me insane about “feminism just made women unhappy” arguments is that they’re argued in bad faith by people who are privileged enough to get plenty of support in their life choices.  If we’re unhappier now, it’s not because we have too many choices; it’s because our roles expanded without a corresponding shift in men’s roles to accommodate.  And yeah, more and more guys are stepping up to help in traditionally “female” spheres, and yeah, I do see gender roles shifting by inches in new directions.  Even so, I think that the shift is happening slowly enough that most of us (and our mothers, and possibly grandmothers) get caught in the same old second shift lurch, where we don’t have enough time or energy to engage in a public life without running into problems on the private front.  We’re not unhappy that feminism gave us choices, but we would like some support when we make them, and I don’t see a lot of that support forthcoming.

I like this argument about needing downtime, and needing that downtime to be considered necessary and valuable, not selfish or expendable.

Comment #20: atomicgeek  on  02/14  at  05:30 PM

Actually, I think the issue with choice paralysis is that things that shouldn’t have that much meaning (which kind of cereal makes you a terrible mother, again?) are, through the power of marketing and social pressure, imbued with terrible and disproportionate weight, because the assumption is that women can’t possibly be asked to care about too much minutiae. Failing to sterilize the sink properly and buying whatever kind of cereal is for men in sitcoms who can’t live without their annoying wives, after all.

Comment #21: purpleshoes  on  02/14  at  05:33 PM

@ Ursula, et al.

I once had a guy offer to help me *lock my bicycle to the bike rack* as I was maneuvering it into position, as if I couldn’t work my own bike lock!! I was soooo insulted.

Comment #22: liviaclaudia  on  02/14  at  05:37 PM

Kyra@14
Not so much . . . there’s something really, solidly grating about being forced to let somebody else take care of what you would like to be capable of yourself.
I mean, sure, it’s nice to have somebody to help you avoid the negative consequences of something, but sometimes having somebody else do that carries consequences of its own, and the inability to accomplish it yourself can lead to feeling weak, helpless, frustrated, stupid, or otherwise unhappy.

THIS.  WORD.

I am still trying to figure out how to explain this to my husband, who is a sweet loving person of the liberally-inclined-but-politically-clueless stripe, and who gets yelled at (by me) on a regular basis for being “TOO GODDAMN HELPFUL!”

He really is well-intentioned, but can’t quite grasp that just because he -can- solve a problem doesn’t make it his problem to solve, let alone that the person whose problem it appears to be might have decided that it’s not a problem and doesn’t need solving…

Argh.

Comment #23: Thena, Sultana of Stale Raisin Bread  on  02/14  at  05:38 PM

which kind of cereal makes you a terrible mother, again?

All of them! You should be preparing a healthy, well-balanced, economical breakfast for your family from scratch every morning.

Thena @23 - with these guys you just have to sit them down and explain it to them, pretty much just as you did. Then you can later “Honey? Remember I explained that you don’t have to fix all my problems for me? You’re doing it.”

Comment #24: mythago  on  02/14  at  05:46 PM

@mythago I’m working on it.  He’s better about asking before he messes with stuff, but there’s still a long way to go. 

(It doesn’t help that his family is mostly male and the dominant female presence vacillates between ‘grand matriarch’ and ‘helpless female’.  I find myself regularly reminding my guys-in-law that it’s probably just easier to think of me as a dude who happens to be female than as one of those crazy women creatures….)

Comment #25: Thena, Sultana of Stale Raisin Bread  on  02/14  at  06:00 PM

  which kind of cereal makes you a terrible mother, again?

All of them! You should be preparing a healthy, well-balanced, economical breakfast for your family from scratch every morning.

I’ve been on a decades-long guilt trip about this, I swear to God. :D

Comment #26: Lisa KS  on  02/14  at  06:06 PM

I have no interest in changing my own tire, but I also don’t want to have to rely on the kindness of passing strangers, so I have AAA.  Being able to pay someone else to do the work for you has its own kind of empowerment.  wink

(In a pinch, I could change my own tire, but I’d really rather not.)

Comment #27: Mnemosyne  on  02/14  at  06:59 PM

I can’t find the NYT article I was remembering in my earlier comment but it was based on this underlying question about the value of choice and how it varies by culture and class, which is addressed a bit here: http://www.psychologicalscience.org/observer/getArticle.cfm?id=203

I haven’t read the U Penn study and am not sure what the study says about happiness gaps across class lines, but I think it’s important to remember that the idea that choice=freedom (and therefore happiness) is not a given, and it certainly isn’t universal.

Comment #28: antiope  on  02/14  at  07:03 PM

Exactly.  A company that I like, Apple, takes the “less is more” approach to consumer choices.  They assume that most consumers don’t really know much about computer specs, and don’t really care; consumers just want a product that will do what they want it to do.  So Apple offers several clearly delineated model lines of computers, and within those model lines, a couple clearly different levels of quality.  This way consumers can more accurately gauge which computer meets their needs.

That approach towards marketing has won apple a huge market share.  But if you plan on using your computer for more than surfing the internet or writing a letter you will certainly want to take the 20 minutes to learn about features and abilities.  Apple assumes their consumers are indifferent suburbanites with few clues as to what a computer is outside of a nice thing to put on a desk and look at porn occaisonally.  Only their most expensive models have serious computing power for graphic design (which they still dominate in).  But the rest of them are largely trash next to their PC counterparts at the price points.  Sadly that is so far off topic I feel bad speaking on it, but I have to point out that what was quoted is essentially the marketing goop that corporations want you to believe when they offer a “streamlined” buying method. 

On the topic of happiness, Americans are very puritanical.  We believe anything worth our time should be hard and that the human condition is sadness.  Contrary to popular belief though the human condition is happiness, which is different from pleasure.  Happiness is self-satisfaction which is something we can do over lesser creatures.  The fact that women are less happy than men would suggest they still have a lower social rank in society, suffer more indignities, and essentially are taking more personal doubt in then men.  None of which has to do with feminism, if anything it is the chauvinistic attitude that is probably pushing the doubts & anxiety into their lives.

Comment #29: Xeranar  on  02/14  at  07:14 PM

I can’t change a tire because I can’t get the lug nuts to loosen.  It’s infuriating.  And lots of women I know have had the same experience—they know how to change a tire, they can jack the car up, they can put the spare on, but loosening the lug nuts is impossible.  There should be a tool to overcome this problem—I’m ignorant of the exact mechanical forces involved, but it seems like if I can jack up a car—I mean, if I can **lift an entire vehicle off the ground** with the aid of a jack—there should be some inexpensive device that will give me the necessary leverage to loosen a lug nut.  (If there is, and I just haven’t encountered it, please clue me in!)

Comment #30: A.  on  02/14  at  07:54 PM

A., I don’t know about a tool, but I ask for the lug nuts to be hand-tightened whenever the wheels are taken off for any reason.  Haven’t had a flat since I started asking wink so no idea whether it works, but it’s something.

Back in the nineties—pre-cell phones, IOW—I had a blowout when alone at 1 am, and I managed to break a lug nut (or the bolt, actually) completely off by using my foot to try to loosen the damned thing.  Luckily, someone I knew slightly came along, but that was freakin’ scary.  My dad had insisted we know how to change a tire & check the oil, plus a couple of other minor maintenance tests, before we got our licenses.

I’m not completely up on the original topic, but has anyone pointed out that the changes in social climate have almost certainly also lessened the pressure to self-report happiness?- IOW, thanks to feminism and a host of related cultural changes, it’s okay to say one is unhappy or frustrated without it seeming like a betrayal, while I imagine there were far more barriers to honesty back when women had fewer choices.  After all, anything that weakened the standard arrangement also introduced some truly terrifying risks.

Comment #31: latts  on  02/14  at  08:14 PM

Men can’t take those lug nuts that were put on with that air gun thing, either.  So don’t feel bad.  It’s just fucking impossible.

Comment #32: Amanda Marcotte  on  02/14  at  08:17 PM

Ladies, you too can loosen your lug nuts! The trick is to stand on the (what’s it called? lug wrench?) and use your body weight to loosen it. You don’t have to use upper body strength. Men know this trick - I learned it from a man!

Comment #33: liviaclaudia  on  02/14  at  08:24 PM

# 29, Xeranar

“But if you plan on using your computer for more than surfing the internet or writing a letter you will certainly want to take the 20 minutes to learn about features and abilities. Apple assumes their consumers are indifferent suburbanites with few clues as to what a computer is outside of a nice thing to put on a desk and look at porn occaisonally.”

I’m that customer!

I have a computer because I’m a writer - I use my computer to write manuscripts, surf the net and download porn - I really don’t need to know how the machine works - as long as it does it’s job when I need it to.

# 30 A.

Go to Home Depot and buy a Cordless Impact Wrench (it doesn’t matter what brand - they’re all the same) - bring a lug nut with you, so you can get the proper sized socket for that nut. Then - after you’ve charged up both batteries - put the Impact Wrench in your trunk so you’ll always have it handy (I hope I’m not “mansplaning” here - but hey, I’m a guy, and in this society men are socialized to be “problem solvers” - plus in my day job I’m a carpenter, so I know a whole lot about power tools)

On the question - I totally have to agree with what Gore is saying here about women and happiness - it sounds like she’s right on the money. Women are constantly expected to take care of others, and to always be nice to everybody and act like they like everybody - If I’d been born female I’d probably have gone nuts from that!

I suspect many computer users think just like I do.

Comment #34: GregoryAButler  on  02/14  at  08:43 PM

That last sentence “I suspect many computer users think just like I do. was supposed to be after paragraph 3 - proofreading fail

Comment #35: GregoryAButler  on  02/14  at  08:44 PM

I think the point about women’s time being interruptible is also tied heavily to the idea that many of the household chores women do are, or should be, invisible.

Related to this is the fact that children are nature’s Great Interrupters, especially when they are small and their needs outweigh their mother’s.  It’s maddening because it makes it impossible to concentrate on anything for a decent period of time—and it goes on for YEARS.  I couldn’t even write this 3-sentence response without having to leave the desk to tend to my offspring’s needs.

Comment #36: Pomme  on  02/14  at  08:53 PM

Well, a long wrench will do it too.

But yeah, lugs that are that tight can’t really be loosened by most anyone.  Body weight will do it, as will bigger leverage.


On computers…

Now THERE is where you can get paralysis.  In order to build a computer, you have to do a ton of research to figure out compatibility issues with hardware and software, and the amounts of choices is huge, and, importantly, significant.  I one bought a mobo with a cool fanless heat sink that piped heat out to a certain area with a very nice case that minimized the need for fan—and then found out that their advantages *canceled* each other.  I was pretty pissed, and it’s not always obvious or instantly googlable that there is a problem since only a few people might have made the choices you’ve made and complained about it online.

Comment #37: shah8  on  02/14  at  08:56 PM

Too many choices seems like a problem when you have two good but mutually exclusive options.  I am thinking about when I adopted my dog, I narrowed the choice down to a three year old male Australian Shepard mix and a eight year old female border collie mix. I took the Aussie home and couldn’t stop thinking about the other dog. A few days later I wound up adopting the border collie as well, other than one fight it worked out really well. But thier is a lot of situations, especially marital ones where you can’t take them both home.

Comment #38: John Rove  on  02/14  at  09:11 PM

Incidentally, Apple is learning from the mistakes they made 15+ years ago where they had too many ill-defined product lines which confused consumers…especially when the prices were around the same as your typical decked out Macbook Pro today.  They have also been positioning themselves as a boutique brand associated with those in creative fields like artists in direct contrast to the more generic corporate image of PCs….the very image IBM and OEM marketers used back in the 1980’s to market their computers as “serious business tools” rather than an “expensive toy” for the artsy hippie set.  It is amusing to see how Apple has used the very marketing once used to denigrate them to their great advantage in the aughts with ads like “I’m a PC vs I’m a Mac” where the stereotype of a corporate drone is pitted against one of an artsy hipster.
Comment #9: exholt on 02/14 at 01:52 PM

Except in the 1980s, it wasn’t artsy hippies using computers, even Macs.  It was geeks.

Comment #39: oldfeminist  on  02/14  at  10:26 PM

I have no interest in changing my own tire, but I also don’t want to have to rely on the kindness of passing strangers, so I have AAA.

I want to move to the magical fairy land you inhabit where calling AAA doesn’t result in a 90 minute wait time for someone to show up and help you.

Comment #40: Tyro  on  02/14  at  11:14 PM

“Infinitely configurable PCs are also not only for hobbyists, but also IT professionals who want more flexibility and some cost-effectiveness than what Apple offers. “
Or if you want to actually play games. I *still* don’t think Apple’s picked up on that concept completely…

Comment #41: Devonian  on  02/14  at  11:16 PM

(I hope I’m not “mansplaning” here

Someone specifically requested advice.
You actually know what you’re talking about.
No condescension, dismissal, or horn-blowing.

Not mansplaining.

Comment #42: Kyra  on  02/15  at  01:07 AM

That said—-fuss with getting the lugnuts loosenable pre-emptively, either at the mechanic’s or in your driveway.  It’s much preferable to run into trouble when it’s not an emergency, and much safer to be jumping on the wrench (if that’s what you do; I stand on it and stomp with one foot, personally) when the weather is dry.

I did it in the rain once, and I have no idea how I managed to avoid slicing my shin open.

Comment #43: Kyra  on  02/15  at  01:16 AM

I don’t have any answers, but I wonder all the time what the deal is with the number of women on anxiety and depression medications.  I don’t have depression, so I can’t relate to it.  But I wonder - is it really chemical imbalance, or do these people really have legitimate reasons to be depressed?  I suspect a lot of it is the latter.  And I worry about the willingness to medicate ourselves into accepting a reality that conflicts with our mental health.

Comment #44: Wallace  on  02/15  at  01:18 AM

Except in the 1980s, it wasn’t artsy hippies using computers, even Macs.  It was geeks.

I was talking mostly about how IBM and the IBM compatible OEM marketing department were portraying Mac users.  Whether it coincided with the reality of the period is highly debatable….though from what I recalled from my childhood in the 1980s…..the prevailing conventional wisdom derived from such marketing was that Apple computers were expensive toys for the artsy hippie set…..IBM/IBM compatible PCs were “real business machines”....a factor which played a big part in the PC’s/Microsoft’s later dominance of the personal computer/OS market. 

Also, from my experience working with plenty of those “geeks”, many of them also happen to be artsy DFHs.  Being a geek and an artsy hippie aren’t necessarily mutually exclusive…especially among those who took part in the formative stages of the internet and personal computing revolutions.  Incidentally, they all tend to be much more inclined to use older more technically demanding operating systems such as the various flavors of BSD, llinux, or Mac…especially OSX as that is actually built on a variant of BSD unix rather than Microsoft Dos/Windows. 

Or if you want to actually play games. I *still* don’t think Apple’s picked up on that concept completely…

Actually, I don’t think Apple cares enough to cater to the computer gaming market. 

Their relatively minuscule percentage in the computer consuming market, need for great flexibility due to their fast-paced bleeding edge hardware requirements to keep up with the newest games coming out*, inclination of many to be hardware tinkerers/PC enthusiasts, increasing dominance of the gaming consoles in the electronic gaming market, and more means that the amount of work and aggravation involved in catering to this group isn’t worth whatever potential profits they may gain from them. 

There’s much more money to be made from a much greater pool of average users who don’t want to know too much of the technical details…..especially those who also place a premium on good design, ease of use, and the cachet of a perceived boutique brand targeted towards the “cool” artsy creative set. 

* Many gamers I know upgrade or buy bleeding edge machines much more often than your average computer consumer….every year or even six months if my hardcore computer gaming colleagues/friends and computer gaming magazines I’ve read are any indication.

Comment #45: exholt  on  02/15  at  01:34 AM

# 42 Kyra - thanks for clarifying that! Considering how male socialization works in this country, it’s really easy to go all “Cliff Clavin” and get into lecture mode when talking to a woman - I try very hard not to do that!

And on the jumping on the tire iron thing - it’s really a better idea to get a 4 or 5 foot long metal pipe to use as a handle extension - it will give you extra leverage to move the lug nuts and if you use a long enough pipe, you can use your whole body to try and make the nuts move.

Or, as Kyra suggested in post # 43, you can pre loosen the nuts in the safety of your driveway or a garage - when it’s nice and safe and you won’t have to worry about hurting yourself or getting hit by a car.

Comment #46: GregoryAButler  on  02/15  at  02:17 AM

Interruptions. OMG - interruptions!  My household currently contains (but is not limited to) four dogs (two paralyzed), two elementary-aged kids, and a frail 75-year-old with cancer. I literally cannot sit down for two freaking minutes during the day without being interrupted. Practicing (I moonlight as a church organist), requires leaving the house altogether, and even then I’m more likely than not to get calls on my cell phone asking for information or calling me back home. I tried to watch the opening figure skating pair tonight, and was interrupted three(!!) times within 30 seconds of the start of their performance - all urgent.

And then my husband (generally a lovely man) scolds me for staying up late, after everyone else is in bed - it’s the only time in my day I can actually sit down and think. It’s worth a little lost sleep!

Comment #47: Tapetum  on  02/15  at  03:10 AM

I am still trying to figure out how to explain this to my husband, who is a sweet loving person of the liberally-inclined-but-politically-clueless stripe, and who gets yelled at (by me) on a regular basis for being “TOO GODDAMN HELPFUL!”

He really is well-intentioned, but can’t quite grasp that just because he -can- solve a problem doesn’t make it his problem to solve, let alone that the person whose problem it appears to be might have decided that it’s not a problem and doesn’t need solving…

Argh.

I think this is a variation on the mansplaining theme.  My husband used to do this a lot, and got confused and a bit hurt when I complained about unasked for advice and help.  In his mind, he was being nice.  He eventually stopped doing it, because I made it very clear just how infuriating I found it, and he respects my wishes, but he still didn’t quite get it. 

Then I sent him all the hilarious links to the mansplainging stuff from a couple of weeks ago - he spent a few days reading it all, very seriously, then said to me he utterly understood now, and he was very sorry for his previous crap.  Internet feminism result!

Comment #48: Katherine  on  02/15  at  06:05 AM

Long ago I was feeling helpful and stopped on the highway behind two young and very frustrated-looking women who had their car up on a jack. I asked if I could help, they said that they couldn’t get the lug nuts off. I said “oh, that’s because you have to loosen the lug nuts BEFORE you jack up the car.” Woman #1 nods as if a great truth had been revealed. Woman #2 bursts into tears. I’m like “it’s really no big deal,” as I un-jack the car and start stomping on the wrench to loosen the nuts. She continues to be very upset, until we finally get out of her that I had made her feel like a stupid girl—that she had been all empowered before I showed up and used some kind of Man Knowledge to make her look dumb. It took ten minutes of patient explaining that the reason I knew this was because I had done the exact same thing the first time I tried to change a tire and had had to be rescued by an even burlier and manlier guy than me, and that her being female had nothing to do with any of it. Eventually, it all worked out, but man I felt dumb there for awhile.

Comment #49: felagund  on  02/15  at  10:20 AM

I don’t have any answers, but I wonder all the time what the deal is with the number of women on anxiety and depression medications.  I don’t have depression, so I can’t relate to it.  But I wonder - is it really chemical imbalance, or do these people really have legitimate reasons to be depressed?  I suspect a lot of it is the latter.  And I worry about the willingness to medicate ourselves into accepting a reality that conflicts with our mental health.
#44 Wallace

The answer to your question is probably both. Depression left untreated long enough can create a chemical imbalance in the brain that exacerbates and perpetuates the condition. Like many health problems, it can get worse over time, and as it increases in severity, it requires stronger, more elaborate measures to fix. This is not to say that anti-depressants are never prescribed as a band-aid solution to larger problems (they only address the chemical imbalance, not the situation or thought patterns that caused the depression in the first place) or that people are never medicated unnecessarily; misdiagnoses can and do happen in all branches of modern medicine.

However, if women are more likely to be unhappy overall due to all the reasons discussed above, it stands to reason that a greater number of them might become depressed as a result, and that in some of those cases remain so long enough to develop a chemical imbalance that requires medication to treat. The societal expectation that women should be selfless and care for others before themselves probably feeds into this, causing women to “live with” their depression rather than seeking help until they reach a point where they can no longer function and medication becomes necessary.

Anti-depressants are NOT “happy pills.” They don’t give a “high” like drugs or alcohol, or provide an escape from reality - they allow the person taking them to feel normal, i.e.  not depressed (or at least less depressed) so that they’re able to function while the larger problem is being treated through non-prescriptive means. They treat a physical symptom of depression - the chemical imbalance - and do not, in most cases, address the underlying psychological cause. (That’s what therapy is for.)

Comment #50: vervain  on  02/15  at  11:50 AM

@ # 16 ( for some reason I have been unable to copy posts here so that I can paste them, it’s crazy, but it won’t let me use the copy function on any computer and it’s just here).  Anyway, I love your point about the likeablity moment.  Mine happened on the internet!  I have always been an appeaser.  (childhood issues, isn’t everyone’s shit from back then?).  Anyway, I started posting on political message boards back in early 02.  And everyone loved me just like in real life, I was so pleasing!  Even conservatives loved me!  In fact, I cannot tell you how many “happily married family values” conservatives used to email (it was on the old netscape boards, and everyone had an email, your screename @ and I used to get them without asking for them that is for sure) me with all kinds of flirty proposals, and some declarations of internet love!  LOL.  So stupid, but so true.

Anyway, time went on, the Bush years radicalized me, and before you knew it, I stopped being nice.  And one day, I just didn’t care of people on the internet didn’t like me.  And then the next day, I began drawing on that to be assertive in my real life.  Today, I don’t care if people in my real life don’t like me either.  I feel no need to make someone like me.  They either do, or the don’t.  If they don’t, we were never going to get on all that well anyway. 

I have to admit, other than finacial freedom (crucial), not giving a shit about being likeable, is the most important part of freedom as a woman.  It feels fanfuckingtastic in fact.

Comment #51: JennyLI  on  02/15  at  11:52 AM

# 50 - When it comes to depression, I can only speak on my own personal experience with the disease (at least with the variety I have - DSM # 300.40, if you’re interested). My depression had it’s roots in, as my therapist put it “being really sad for a really long time” about having had a really awful childhood and a rather unhappy adulthood.

I would tend to think, again, this is a layperson’s opinion, that a lot of depressed folks are depressed because they are very unhappy about their lives.

Considering that women have, on average, a whole hell of a lot more to be unhappy about than men do (and I suspect that whole thing about women being expected to be selfless caregivers who take care of others before they take care of themselves might have a whole lot to do with that) that might explain why women with depression outnumber men with depression 2 to 1.

As for meds, personally, I’m not on them, but if somebody’s therapist thinks they need them, I wouldn’t second guess.

The problem is, from what I understand, about 80% of the antidepressants prescribed in the US are prescribed by people who aren’t therapists - from what I’ve read, a lot of antidepressants are prescribed by primary care physicians or other medical practitioners, after the classic 15 minute twice a year exam, and they are prescribed without any additional therapy, just the pills alone.

That’s kind of like putting a tourniquet on a bleeding artery - it will help for a while, but will just make stuff worse in the long run.

Comment #52: GregoryAButler  on  02/15  at  12:00 PM

Didn’t Virginia Woolf say something about interruptibility?

Given the state of the world, I’m mostly surprised that everyone isn’t unhappy. But I guess men aren’t supposed to bother their pretty little heads about things like that…

Comment #53: paul  on  02/15  at  12:54 PM

# 53, Paul - As I’m sure you know, “Real Men” are only allowed to have two emotions rage and lust - all other emotions are considered “effeminate”, “gay” and “unmanly”.

And a lot more men than you or I might care to admit actually believe that and live their lives like that.

Comment #54: GregoryAButler  on  02/15  at  12:59 PM

I don’t have any answers, but I wonder all the time what the deal is with the number of women on anxiety and depression medications.  I don’t have depression, so I can’t relate to it.  But I wonder - is it really chemical imbalance, or do these people really have legitimate reasons to be depressed?  I suspect a lot of it is the latter.  And I worry about the willingness to medicate ourselves into accepting a reality that conflicts with our mental health.

Like other people’s medical decisions are any of your fucking business, Wallace. Seriously, do you ever say anything that doesn’t reveal you to be a solid wall of assumptive male privilege?

Comment #55: Nobody in Particular  on  02/15  at  06:24 PM

# 55, Nobody in Particular - Honestly (and I can say this as a depressed person myself) I think Wallace has a point when he says “But I wonder - is it really chemical imbalance, or do these people really have legitimate reasons to be depressed?  I suspect a lot of it is the latter.  And I worry about the willingness to medicate ourselves into accepting a reality that conflicts with our mental health.”

If you are depressed because your life sucks, and you take pills to make you better able to tolerate your sucky life (as opposed to changing the aspects of your life that make you depressed) in a very real way you are “medicate[ing] [you]rself into accepting a reality that conflicts with [your] mental health”

I really don’t see any problem with Wallace’s statement - in fact, there is a whole hell of a lot of truth to it - especially in light of the fact that 80% of the antidepressants prescriptions in America are written by nontherapists, typically after a 15 minute visit, with no followup psychotherapy.

Comment #56: GregoryAButler  on  02/15  at  06:50 PM

Who are you, Wallace, or anyone else to define what “legitimate” reasons are? And it’s especially loathsome when men presume to define that for women.

Also, you know jack about how psychotropic medications actually work. As was said upthread, they’re not “happy pills.” They allow you to function.

And of course you don’t see anything wrong with his statement. You’re the d00d who dominates entire discussion threads at Feministing with your mansplanations and WAHT ABOUT TEH MENZ bullshit, aren’t you?

Comment #57: Nobody in Particular  on  02/15  at  07:21 PM

# 57 - I know a little bit about depression, having been treated for it for the last 22 years, and having gone out of my way to be an informed patient during that time. And I don’t apologize for having an opinion on this topic, or any other, or for expressing that opinion.

Also, just because I have an opinion and choose to express it does not in any way reflect on your personal medical decisions - you’re free to ignore me and do as you wish, since I have no authority over you and I might very well be wrong.

Comment #58: GregoryAButler  on  02/15  at  07:27 PM

re depression derail:  I’d also bet that men tend to be under-diagnosed for depression.  Men aren’t supposed to feel sad, so many of them channel their depression into anger or substance abuse.  As far as meds being overused, I can only speak from my personal experience.  I should have gone on anti-depressants years ago.  I’m not perpetually happy; I’m not a zombie who doesn’t feel things.  The medicine lets me function better—it lets me get out of my own head and be more engaged in my own life, lets me feel sad or feel that I’ve fucked up without the automatic downward spiral into self-loathing and feelings of worthlessness.

In an odd way, it kind of ties back to the original post.  I resisted going to therapy and going on meds for a very long time, partially because I thought that as long as I was functioning—able to hold a job, not hurting myself, etc.—then that was all I *should* be asking for, that my own happiness wasn’t necessarily worth valuing.  Ironically, I had to get better before I went in for help.  /TMI

And the whole flow and downtime thing?  YES.  And it’s not just the actual interruptions, whether self-imposed or by others.  It’s the voice in your head telling you that you really *should* be doing something productive right now, instead of doing X—reading, playing a game, watching a movie.  It’s the voice that tells you that you’ve been in the bath too long; it’s time to get out and do the dishes.  Even when you decide to screw it and forget the dishes for one night, you have to expend the mental energy to consciously decide to do something pleasurable rather than something dutiful.

Comment #59: Karinna A.  on  02/15  at  08:20 PM

Long ago I was feeling helpful and stopped on the highway behind two young and very frustrated-looking women who had their car up on a jack. I asked if I could help, they said that they couldn’t get the lug nuts off. I said “oh, that’s because you have to loosen the lug nuts BEFORE you jack up the car.” Woman #1 nods as if a great truth had been revealed. Woman #2 bursts into tears. I’m like “it’s really no big deal,” as I un-jack the car and start stomping on the wrench to loosen the nuts. She continues to be very upset, until we finally get out of her that I had made her feel like a stupid girl—that she had been all empowered before I showed up and used some kind of Man Knowledge to make her look dumb. It took ten minutes of patient explaining that the reason I knew this was because I had done the exact same thing the first time I tried to change a tire and had had to be rescued by an even burlier and manlier guy than me, and that her being female had nothing to do with any of it. Eventually, it all worked out, but man I felt dumb there for awhile.
Comment #49: felagund on 02/15 at 08:20 AM

Because we as women get hit in the face (figuratively or literally) for correcting men, or simply disbelieved, we have learned to be really nice, leaving everyone a big “out” for not knowing or doing something.

You said, “I said “oh, that’s because you have to loosen the lug nuts BEFORE you jack up the car.””  Because there are so many mansplainers around, it’s assumed you left the word “idiot” off the end of the sentence only because you’re being polite. 

If you were a woman you more likely would have said, “oh my God, the first time I had to change a tire I did exactly the same thing! And I tried and tried and couldn’t get the lug nuts off! Then a nice guy came by and explained that you have to loosen the nuts first, before you jack the car up in the air? Because when you jack it up in the air, the tires aren’t on the ground, and turning the lug wrench just turns the tires?  But you already were half way there!  You did the right thing, just not in quite the right order.  It’s easy to get confused, it happened to me. It’s all kind of crazy and confusing.”

There’s also the “you suck at auto mechanics”/“women suck at auto mechanics” thing, where you feel as a woman like you represent the whole gender when you fail at something.  It makes the situation much more fraught than if she forgot to put dishwasher liquid in the dishwasher one time.

Comment #60: oldfeminist  on  02/15  at  08:37 PM

oldfeminist, hah. You’ve got it verbatim. Down to the question marks. I used to speak in simple declarative statements, but man is there a shit-ton of social pressure for women to commence from empathy, self-deprecate, use personal anecdotes instead of starting from objective facts, and always end with a question. It’s not a horrible way to communicate when it’s divorced from gender baggage - empathy isn’t a bad thing, and teaching through storytelling has a long and respectable history. I just remember resenting the crap out of every single implied question mark when I was learning to be “politer” and not “show off” as a kid.

Comment #61: purpleshoes  on  02/15  at  08:45 PM
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