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20-era subversion for 50s-era audiences

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Adventures in blog-reading and the interesting juxtapositions it makes: Reading that Jane Russell has died at 91, and reading this post by Paul Campos about the political use of nostalgia.  (Also, Man Boobz recently chose to illustrate a post on women being funny with Anita Loos, the quite-funny writer of Gentlemen Prefer Blondes, which one of Russell’s most famous movies was based on.)  Paul was talking about how nostalgia serves conservative ends, and how nostalgia for the 50s is channeled through reactionary nostalgia for sexual and racial hierarchies and conformism, instead of economic structures that spread the wealth around and made America the wealthiest nation on the planet by doing so.  Amongst other things.  Read the whole post; it’s kind of tangential to the point here, but has a lot of interesting insights about nostalgia-management and money.

What I want to point out is that nostalgia is a slippery thing.  Yes, it’s usually used in service of reactionary politics, but sometimes nostalgia can be subversive.  In the 50s, for instance, there was actually a lot of nostalgia for the 20s.  I’m sure most of it was reactionary, as was 80s nostalgia for the 50s—-it was remembered as a time of innocence and wealth, before the Depression and the war.  But it was also remembered as a time when the usual rules and restrictions loosened up dramatically.  I get the impression, from 50s products that incorporate 20s nostalgia, that part of the appeal was the escape from the stifling conformity and sexual repression of the 50s.  (Ironically, I wouldn’t say the 50s were more sexual repressed than the 20s in practice—-people had a lot more premarital sex, for instance—-but I think it’s the difference between feeling like things are moving forward instead of backwards.  In the same way, people can have nostalgia for the 60s and sexual liberation even though we’re far more liberated now than they were then.)  Interestingly, two of Marilyn Monroe’s best films were 20s throwbacks that use the cover of nostalgia to poke fun at sexual repression and conformity.

If you doubt that “Gentlemen Prefer Blondes” has its subversions, I give you Jane Russell’s solo number from the movie, where she dances around a gym full of muscular, mostly-naked men working out in front of murals inspired by ancient Greece, while she sings about how there’s a bunch of sexy men around her but she can’t get laid.

This video has provoked some discussion over how many battles with censors were probably pitched over those dark bands at the bottom of the shorts. 

Unlike “Some Like It Hot”, “Gentlemen Prefer Blondes” isn’t actually set in the 20s, but it’s still a 20s nostalgia picture.  It’s based on a novel by Anita Loos that was written, frankly, as a proto-feminist satire poking fun at men for desiring dumb, hot women to bolster their egos.  The movie retains this quality—-the main characters are throwbacks to the image of flappers no matter how big their boobs are.  I would argue that beyond the homoerotic jokes, there’s an arguably feminist subversion at the heart of it.  Monroe’s character, Lorilei, has been denied respect and education because she’s a woman that’s not from a good family, but she exacts her revenge by using her sexuality to make herself filthy rich anyway.  Of course, true feminism is overturning the system.  The character isn’t a feminist.  But the book has a feminist quality in that it exists to satirize the patriarchy, and especially to make fun of how privileged men become dull and weak because they’re so shielded from challenge.

If you doubt me, consider that I had yet another reason to think about this movie, and how it retains this satirical edge from the book, when I was asked to contribute to an anthology of writing on Madonna.  I wrote about “Vogue”—-you’ll have to read the book when it comes out!—-but I did think a lot about Madonna paying tribute to Monroe in “Gentlemen Prefer Blondes” with the video for “Material Girl”, which replicates the number “Diamonds Are A Girl’s Best Friend”.  So, I watched both videos next to each other, and was unpleasantly reminded that in “Material Girl”, there’s an entire subplot where Madonna dates some guy who just gives her flowers and falls in Twue Wuv, instead of running around with men who shower her with diamonds.  Which is all very romantic, but utterly non-subversive, because there’s no challenge there to the restrictions put on women to perform their sexuality but to never cash in on it for themselves. 

I like Lorilei better.  She’s not smart, but she does outsmart the men around her, and the implication is that’s not hard to do.  At the end of the movie, when the father of the rich man she’s marrying accuses her of being a gold-digger, unlike Madonna in “Material Girl”, she doesn’t deny the charge or try to prove that she’s just a humble girl who makes no demands on men in exchange for all the effort she puts into being sexy and giggly and ego-boosting.  Instead, she says, “Don’t you know that a man being rich is like a girl being pretty? You wouldn’t marry a girl just because she’s pretty, but my goodness, doesn’t it help?”  Double standard called out, and the father can’t do anything to stop the marriage, thus the happy ending.

Of course, in real life both then and now, sex kittens don’t actually have a right to call men out on their behavior without bringing a halt to the gravy train.  If “Real Housewives” have taught us anything, it’s this—-the women who excel at the game of being trophy wives and mistresses are those who believe in the system, not those who approach it with a subversive mindset appropriate to a satirical character like Lorilei.  Sex kittens with a subversive bent move more towards direct cash transactions, so they can go home and turn the act off at the end of the day.  Or that’s my guess anyway, but what do I know?  “Real Housewives” is just as fictional as “Gentlemen Prefer Blondes”, but it isn’t nearly as clever.

You can certainly argue that “Gentlemen” isn’t really that subversive.  It’s not.  There’s a wedding at the end, we’re boringly led to believe Lorilei does love her doofy husband, etc.  But the end of the movie isn’t the point of that movie; it’s all the jokes and setpieces before it.  And that stuff is all why I think it was a hit.

 

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Posted by Amanda Marcotte on 10:27 AM • (63) Comments

You can certainly argue that “Gentlemen” isn’t really that subversive.  It’s not.  There’s a wedding at the end, we’re boringly led to believe Lorilei does love her doofy husband, etc.

In the end, it all becomes The Taming of the Shrew - or the Kitten, or ...

Comment #1: Ms Kate  on  03/01  at  12:07 PM

Funny, this is what I wrote about GPB this morning, as tribute (it’s hard not to read the movie through a feminist lens):

If Gentlemen Prefer Blondes gets mileage with Lorelei’s gold-digger stereotype and its essentialist bits about men and women, Dorothy’s sensible-girl stereotype mitigates it all.  She wants men: she wants men’s bodies, she wants men’s bodies for sex, and she wants to let everyone around her know she wants men’s bodies for sex, until she finds a good heart and a great wit in one of those fine male bodies. And the movie never shames her for it.  It privileges not only her judgment but her desires and proves that sense and sensuality aren’t mutually exclusive in a woman.

Yeah, it’s a problematic, ambivalent film, and I also read Lorelei’s character more positively than the average contemporary viewer would have, but Russell’s Dorothy makes it sing for me, and that clip Amanda linked to is, in some ways, the movie’s alternative centerpiece musical number.

Comment #2: Ranylt  on  03/01  at  12:21 PM

That little eye-bulge Russell does towards the one guy’s bicep early in the clip is awesome. I just might have to put this in my Netflix queue.

Comment #3: Alyson Miers  on  03/01  at  12:56 PM

I watched GPB a couple of months ago, and especially enjoyed the musical number posted here.

What I most notice about it is that the male bodies aren’t today’s bodybuilders, and they’re not identical.  Only a couple are as muscled as the man Russell bulges her eyes at.  Most are just (“just”!) athletic-looking.  They’re supposed to be Olympic athletes, and you see them throughout the movie, and they are all different “types” as such athletes realistically would be.

Comment #4: oldfeminist  on  03/01  at  01:59 PM

I fucking LOVE Gentlemen Prefer Blondes. I own it and watch it every 6 months or so.  And definitely the reason I love it so much is exactly because it’s proto-feminist.

I love Dorothy’s constant and open ogling of the athletes, and the musical number above is just fucking awesome.  Instead of the chorus girl types common in musicals, it has a bunch of hot dudes prancing around in tiny shorts!  I mean, what’s not to love!  And the fact that she is totally lustful but is also the smart sensible one is great.  And she’s never shamed or punished for it.

Also, the whole “Diamonds are a Girl’s Best Friend” song is all about taking advantage of men’s shallowness for your own benefit - it’s totally cynical.

“Men grow cold
As girls grow old,
And we all lose our charms in the end.
But square-cut or pear-shaped,
These rocks don’t lose their shape.
Diamonds are a girl’s best friend.”

I could go on and on about how much I heart this movie.  (Except for Jane Russell’s love interest.  He almost ruins the movie by being a terrible actor and a total lame-o.)

Comment #5: EmmATX  on  03/01  at  02:27 PM

What I most notice about it is that the male bodies aren’t today’s bodybuilders, and they’re not identical.

They didn’t have steroids back then except for testosterone, and probably some of them were guys who weren’t bodybuilders but athletes who back then thought weight-lifting was for people like Jack LaLanne.

Comment #6: Dark Avenger Guardian Chow Mein  on  03/01  at  02:29 PM

Oh, and I almost forgot the 2nd best reason to watch the movie - the costumes!  The dresses and suits Lorelei and Dorothy wear are just absolutely stunning.  Sigh…

Comment #7: EmmATX  on  03/01  at  02:37 PM

<blcokquote>So, I watched both videos next to each other, and was unpleasantly reminded that in “Material Girl”, there’s an entire subplot where Madonna dates some guy who just gives her flowers and falls in Twue Wuv, instead of running around with men who shower her with diamonds.  Which is all very romantic, but utterly non-subversive, because there’s no challenge there to the restrictions put on women to perform their sexuality but to never cash in on it for themselves.</blockquote>

That’s not entirely true: in the video she is running around with men who shower her with diamonds (at least one of them drives her to the studio in his sports car). And, as is shown in the opening of the video (which often wasn’t/isn’t played, because it comes before the music), it isn’t just some guy who gives her flowers, but the head of the studio.

The subversion, such as it is, is that a rich and powerful man can’t rely on the money and power in order to impress the woman, and that the rich and powerful guy is paying attention to what she wants so that he knows it.

Compare that to many videos where having the bling means you have the eye candy dripping off of you.

Comment #8: KeithM  on  03/01  at  03:09 PM

Madonna dates some guy who just gives her flowers and falls in Twue Wuv, instead of running around with men who shower her with diamonds.

Well, it was Keith Carradine.

But, seriously, I always thought the point of that video is that Madonna has her own money, so expensive gifts don’t impress her, thus leading the presumably rich Carradine to dress down for her.

Comment #9: keshmeshi  on  03/01  at  03:11 PM

I notice that the 1920s are still the go-to period for old people to be nostalgic about, even though the people who actually remember the 1920s are *awfully* old these days (the last U.S. veteran of the First World War just died, after all).

Whenever anyone mentions the 1920s, I definitely think first of the opening up of social standards (gay bars, men and women drinking together, white people listening to jazz) and specifically of how Hugh Hefner described himself as a teenager in the Depression, hearing about the ‘20s and feeling like he missed the party—little suspecting that not only did the 1960s lie in his future, but that he would play a big role in making them what they were.

Comment #10: Dr. Psycho  on  03/01  at  03:12 PM

old, it’s because they are actual Olympic athletes, I think.  Not sure, but I think that’s who they hired from.

Comment #11: Amanda Marcotte  on  03/01  at  03:18 PM

What I most notice about it is that the male bodies aren’t today’s bodybuilders, and they’re not identical.

Bodybuilders are so far on the extreme that they don’t look like anyone else except each other today either.

Of course, that’s because competitive bodybuilding has a very strictly defined goal: big muscle and definition, and since humans generally have the same physiological layout, of course they’re going to look similar. How strong those muscles actually are is immaterial, and if there were a way to get the size and definition without needing the strength to move all those weights around (even when chemically enhanced) bodybuilders would be all over that in a heartbeat.

Other athletes can have a wider range of appearance because their performance is the critical factor, so if a weightlifter is carrying around a beer-belly and layer of fat that doesn’t impede his ability to lift weights, then it doesn’t matter if he look soft while the next lifter is ripped.

Comment #12: KeithM  on  03/01  at  04:02 PM

Yes, that’s all true, but that’s why it’s no fun—-Madonna is making sure to reassure us she wouldn’t do anything so threatening to male egos as to use her sexual appeal as anything but a gift to men, offered for free out of the goodness of her heart.

Comment #13: Amanda Marcotte  on  03/01  at  04:10 PM

Nostalgia is a crime in history.  I’m guilty as much as the next person but when we look back at history from an academic perspective to be nostalgic is to be foolish because we are inevitably going to cherry pick the time for it’s personal rewards to us.  This is why everybody views the 20s from a nostalgic view as a big party with speakeasies and such but for the average American it was an awful time of labor disputes and the American government continuing it’s repression from the end of WWI along side Harding’s presidency of corruption (sound familiar?).  As time marched on the reactionary feelings to technology caused nostalgia to become ingrained in our society on some level, the speed of technology forcing the weak to cling to the past in an unhealthy relationship.  Not to mention the social mores that were finally shut down to make a more egalitarian system.

Side Note: Body builders really didn’t become freakishly grotesque until the 1980s and 1990s when reliable steroids became available.  Even Rocky Marciano and Arnold Schwarzenegger weren’t all that huge and were winners in their era.

Comment #14: Xeranar  on  03/01  at  04:20 PM

So, second guy back on the left in that screen grab—why did they have to piece his legs back together from three different other fellows?  Is this a subtle reference to Shelley?

Comment #15: jfwlucy  on  03/01  at  04:27 PM

Xeranar has a point about nostalgia…  The past is never what it was.

That said, I am a bit nostalgic for some aspects of the 1950’s-60’s-70’s.  I’m nostalgic for a society where the average worker saw his or her (alas, usually his in those days) real wage and buying power increase regularly.  Where there were much better opportunities to move up the ladder.  Where a smart person had a good chance to get an education without a mountain of debt.

Yes, that era wasn’t perfect, and some of the later social advances I wouldn’t reject for that era, but damn—for the average working person you had a chance at the American dream.

Comment #16: James  on  03/01  at  04:30 PM

I want to watch GPB again now, to confirm that Lorelei only says stupid things when men are listening. I mean, she claims never to have heard of a tiara at one point. Is that remotely plausible for a jewel-besotted stage performer?

Comment #17: MissPrism  on  03/01  at  04:57 PM

Not really, Jordan.  Not really.  College costs have vastly outstripped what mere tuition assistance can furnish.

Comment #18: Ms Kate  on  03/01  at  05:03 PM

Jordan—My father (Korean War veteran) had his GI Bill.  Covered the best private schools through a PhD.  He had one brother get an MD and another get a DVM, all without debt on variants of GI Bills.

The Webb bill has a limit of $51,300.  I don’t think we’re going to see many lawyers/doctors/PhD scientists/etc coming out of school debt free on that.  The first degree is a big help, and I don’t want to minimize that. 

That said, yes, the lack of mentors is big.  The last thirty years is a generation destroyed, and the current GOP policies will destroy another generation.

Comment #19: James  on  03/01  at  05:04 PM

“What bothers me is the lack of mentors in the ghetto letting kids know that they have a ticket out of the ‘hood - it just involves some danger, which will not be any different from their current lifestyle.”

Wow. That is some racist shit.

Comment #20: Mark  on  03/01  at  05:05 PM

I am pretty sure that when James said, “where a smart person had a good chance to get an education without a mountain of debt” that “or being maimed or killed” was kind of implied.

The cost of an education should never, ever, ever amount to “life and limb.” The original GI bill was a wonderful thing because it was the first time the non-rich had access to education; that does not mean that CONTINUING to have the poor pay for their opportunities with their lives is anything but horrible.

Comment #21: Well, what?  on  03/01  at  05:05 PM

Oh fuck I responded to the idiot racist turd troll without noticing the name. My bad y’all.

Comment #22: Well, what?  on  03/01  at  05:14 PM

but damn—for the average working person you had a chance at the American dream.

Unless you were a woman or a black person (or both).  I guess they would have a chance at the American dream, so long as their dream didn’t include any actual progress.  Sure, if your dream is to stay barefoot and pregnant in the kitchen, or to be denied real opportunities because of your skin color, then I guess you did have a good chance at that dream.  But for a woman who wanted a career or a black person who just wanted a good career, there wasn’t much chance to achieve that dream.

Comment #23: bananacat  on  03/01  at  05:17 PM

@ MissPrism: Pretty much.  I think she has one or two scenes where there are only other women about, and she keeps up her dumb-but-pretty act, but when she feels comfortably alone with Dorothy, she’s got a plan, and she’s going to stick to it.

Dorothy’s still my favourite, though.  She’s honestly and openly interested in sex/flirting/dancing/feeling good, she’s having fun, and she’s independent.  And she isn’t worried about finding a guy to settle down with, though she’s not totally opposed to the option.  As a teenager, she had me thinking that could be what a totally level-headed and reasonable woman was like, and it’s not a bad goal to grow up with.

Comment #24: fluffster  on  03/01  at  05:24 PM

You’re right, Jordan, and I apologize. It was an insult to turds everywhere, given that they are at least potentially useful.

Comment #25: Well, what?  on  03/01  at  05:25 PM

Catgirl—I agree.  And I lamented that.  (Although I’d argue that by the late 1960’s both women and minorities had better chances at careers.)

But today, the class mobility is less than 35 years ago—for everybody.  Personally, I’d rather look at that ideal and make it the way for everyone rather than say “it sucked since it wasn’t universal.”

Comment #26: James  on  03/01  at  05:28 PM

Jordan proposes that poor and/or brown kids should be encouraged to go overseas to shoot other poor and/or brown kids for imperialist wars entirely to the benefit and pocketbooks of (mostly) white rich (mostly) men, and wonders how that could be construed as racism. Or classism.

Comment #27: BlackBloc  on  03/01  at  05:29 PM

That said, I am a bit nostalgic for some aspects of the 1950’s-60’s-70’s.  I’m nostalgic for a society where the averagewhite male worker saw his real wage and buying power increase regularly.

And even then, that didn’t happen in the 70s because of the oil shock.

The newfound nostalgia for the 50s among liberals is starting to irritate me. I don’t know where it comes from, but it completely discounts the substantial progress this country has made in the last 60 years in all kinds of areas.

Comment #28: Ben D.  on  03/01  at  05:39 PM

Oh, and please remember that Johnson launched the War on Poverty in the mid-60s, and it was for a reason.

The country is on average better off now than 1950. We have challenges that didn’t exist then, sure, but I’ll take the problem of rising college tuition or healthcare costs over Jim Crow, back alley abortions, and McCarthyism.

Comment #29: Ben D.  on  03/01  at  05:45 PM

But today, the class mobility is less than 35 years ago—for everybody.

No, as a woman I certainly had for more mobility in the 90s and early-00s than I would have had in the 50s.  There’s absolutely no way I would be where I am today if I had lived during my mom’s generation.  I’m not trying to say that that decade was universally bad, and it was really good for a small slice of the population, and it would be great if we could replicate that for everyone else outside of that small slice.  But it certainly wasn’t great for most people.

Comment #30: bananacat  on  03/01  at  05:52 PM

Jordan—

Right, the last ten years were exceptionally shitty from an economic perspective, so in that sense I can sort of understand why people might feel teary eyed for the past. But it seems to be getting a little silly now.

Comment #31: Ben D.  on  03/01  at  05:59 PM

The saddest thing about the 1990s though was we had ample opportunity thanks to the end of the Cold War, a decent economy and so on, to address long term challenges like making Social Security solvent for the next 100 years, getting universal healthcare, repairing out infrastructure, combating international terrorism (through international cooperation and law enforcement), and addressing some of our social pathologies like our embarrassingly high prison population. Instead we got school uniforms, v-chips, and impeachment hearings over blowjobs.

My biggest fear is not that good times won’t return to this country—they will—but that we once again will lack the discipline to use them to address some of our bigger challenges, and instead repeat the same mistake of the 1990s. That’s the real test.

Comment #32: Ben D.  on  03/01  at  06:12 PM

The newfound nostalgia for the 50s among liberals is starting to irritate me. I don’t know where it comes from, but it completely discounts the substantial progress this country has made in the last 60 years in all kinds of areas.

From what I’ve seen, a lot of it emerges from the general quality of the GOP of that era as opposed to what happened to the opposition party after Goldwater. That’s not to say that it’s not false nostalgia—for example, both parties at the time were infected to a large degree with racist attitudes (Dixiecrats for the Dems, Birchers/McCarthyites for the GOP). And the economic growth myth is well refuted in the article Amanda linked to—national prosperity has remained about the same, but the concentration of wealth has shifted so radically to the top 10% that everyone else perceives less prosperity (I’d add that we’re now past the end of that general level of prosperity, brought about by a 50-year economic anomaly unprecedented in world history)

On the other hand, there was a consensus in both parties that, at the very least, government is a positive force and doesn’t have to be shrunk to the point where it can be drowned in a bathtub. And there was a similar consensus that Palin-like morons and Bush-type incompetents were an embarrassment to a party, to be hidden away rather than showcased. Not an impressive hook on which to hang that newfound liberal nostalgia, but in the age of the Teabagger this is what someone looking for better times is left with.

Comment #33: Gracchus.  on  03/01  at  06:14 PM

Some DAYUM find manflesh in that video!  And JR was, what, 43 or something when that was made?  Sweet!

Comment #34: Ms Kate  on  03/01  at  06:24 PM

I’ll take the problem of rising college tuition or healthcare costs over Jim Crow, back alley abortions, and McCarthyism.

I was watching the <a href=“http://www.hbo.com/documentaries/a-president-to-remember-in-the-company-of-john-f-kennedy/index.html”>HBO documentary on JFK</i> the other day. It features behind-the-scenes close-up footage that was taken in the short period after the camera technology allowed for it but before the spin doctors and media consultants were completely micromanaging things.

A major segment is devoted to the Kennedy White House’s handling of the George Wallace situation at the University of Alabama, and the mind truly boggles at what the President and his cabinet had to waste their time with because of one racist demagogue and his supporters. Literally, you see JFK and RFK and others in the Oval Office discussing how many bloody entrances there are to an American college administration building.

So yeah, from the point of view of good and efficient government as well as a moral one, I’m glad that the POTUS no longer has to waste time and energy thinking about drinking fountains or what women he doesn’t know are doing at the ob-gyn’s office.

Comment #35: Gracchus.  on  03/01  at  06:31 PM

—for example, both parties at the time were infected to a large degree with racist attitudes (Dixiecrats for the Dems, Birchers/McCarthyites for the GOP).


Teabaggers > Dixiecrats. We’re talking about misspelled signs vs. lynching black men in their WWII army uniforms as a spectator sport.

As for the loons being hidden, they were just easier to hide in an age where you got the local newspaper in the morning and watched the network news for 30 minutes at night vs. the age of 24 cable news and blogs.  If they had had twitter in the Eisenhower Administration you can bet you would have heard some stuff from Congressmen in Georgia and Mississippi that would have made Michelle Baachman look like Bobby Kennedy.

Comment #36: Ben D.  on  03/01  at  06:37 PM

Do I need to ban Jordan for trying to make this his blog?  Let me know.

Comment #37: Amanda Marcotte  on  03/01  at  06:41 PM

Okay, that settles it. Bye, now!

Comment #38: Amanda Marcotte  on  03/01  at  07:11 PM

Teabaggers > Dixiecrats. We’re talking about misspelled signs vs. lynching black men in their WWII army uniforms as a spectator sport.

Which is exactly why I said that any liberal longing for the era is really false nostalgia. However, you did wonder where it came from so I gave you my theory. If you’re gonna rank by degree of racism, the Dem Robert Byrd in those days was a lot worse than the Republican Eisenhower. The Civil Rights movement changed that in all sorts of ways, from prompting the Southern Strategy to making lynching a rare event instead of a common one.

Also, I would have used the less-than sign rather than greater-than—when I think of Teabaggers and Dixiecrats, I think in terms of degrees of odiousness. But I know what you’re saying, and I agree.

As for the loons being hidden, they were just easier to hide in an age where you got the local newspaper in the morning and watched the network news for 30 minutes at night vs. the age of 24 cable news and blogs.

My point is that at the time both parties did make some effort to hide the loons and idiots—even McCarthy was disavowed when he became a drunken embarrassment. Now one party not only makes no effort, but thrusts them in front of the cameras in order to pander to the Teabaggers. From what I’ve read, that’s why some liberals claim nostalgia for the politics of the time. As noted, though, I don’t think it’s much of a basis for any sort of longing for those times.

Comment #39: Gracchus.  on  03/01  at  07:18 PM

As for the loons being hidden, they were just easier to hide in an age where you got the local newspaper in the morning and watched the network news for 30 minutes at night vs. the age of 24 cable news and blogs. 
Comment #36: Ben D.  on 03/01 at 05:37 PM

You had a morning paper and an evening paper, in fact probably two of each, in a fair sized city.  Big cities had more. 

You had big staffs on newspapers who had the time and energy to investigate things, paid for by advertising more than subscriptions, because the classified section wasn’t gutted by Craigslist and Monster.com.

You had news on the radio, written by actual reporters. 

You had TIME and other news magazines with actual coverage of actual news read by loads of people.

Lots of 24 hour coverage is just the same hour repeated over and over again with a few changes each hour.  More time is spent on prettying up the graphics than fact-checking.

The internet does actually bring a variety of viewpoints, but a lot of it is just cribbing from each other and making shit up.  It’s probably the best and worst source of information because so much of it is garbage obscuring the jewels.

Comment #40: oldfeminist  on  03/01  at  07:35 PM

I always sensed that the big nostalgia for the 20s was in the 60s, not the 50s. The 50s seemed to look back the 1870s or 1880s with a revisionist view of the wild west and the romance of the cowboy. In some weird way, bringing “civilization” to the wild west - which included the rule of law and lots of gun control - was seen as analogous to bringing “civilization” back to Europe in the previous decade and through the UN, NATO, SEATO, CENTO and the Marshall Plan. The westerns in the 50s were quite laden with meaning, unlike a lot of earlier shoot-em-ups.

In the 1960s, it was nostalgia for the 20s. The Great War led to a big social shock and a lot of repressive conventions crumbled, just as they did as the baby boom cohort grew. You had progressive politics, short skirts, wild music, bright colors, gaudy music and Tiffany lamps. The 60s might have been the sexual revolution, but there’s a reason all those condom brands were named back in the 20s: Sheik, Ramses, Trojans. You stopped hearing about women being “compromised” as if they were some kind of DRM on a DVD player. If you were born in the wake of the Great War, like so many parents of baby boomers, you’d look back to the good old days of your childhood before the depression and WWII.

The modern liberal nostalgia for the 50s, 60s and 70s is generally economic. Depending on what statistic you look at, things were economically much better back then. GDP growth was around 3%, not the 2% it has hovered around since the Reagan Revolution. Wages were rising faster than inflation, even in the 70s. Even now, when economists talk about curbing inflation, they usually mean they are afraid wages might rise. There was a lot more government investment in infrastructure and technology. The computer industry is still mining out the breakthroughs, but the pipeline for the future is thin.

Comment #41: Kaleberg  on  03/01  at  08:25 PM

I always sensed that the big nostalgia for the 20s was in the 60s, not the 50s. The 50s seemed to look back the 1870s or 1880s with a revisionist view of the wild west and the romance of the cowboy.

I don’t know if it’s just me, but I remember (as a kid, but still) nostalgia in the early 1970s for the “Gay Nineties” (i.e. 1890s)—movies, ice cream parlours and “old timey” restaurants, TV variety shows and sitcoms all mined the “Meet Me in St Louis”/“Music Man”/“Life with Father”/Vaudeville vibe to what still seems to be an odd degree.

Teh Wiki dates things differently (I was probably seeing the tail end), but notes the same nostalgia:

By the 1920s, the decade was nostalgically seen as a period of Pre-Income Tax wealth for a newly emergent “society set”. The railroads, the agricultural depression of the Southern United States, and the dominance of the United States in South American markets and the Caribbean meant that industrialists of New England seemed to have been doing very well.

It was also the name of a nostalgic radio program in the 1930s, hosted by a prominent composer of popular songs of the 1890s, Joe Howard. In the 1920s through the 1960s, filmmakers had a nostalgic interest in the 1890s, as can be seen in the films The Naughty Nineties, She Done Him Wrong, Belle of the Nineties, The Nifty Nineties, By the Light of the Silvery Moon, and Hello, Dolly!

In reality, the Panic of 1893 set off a widespread economic depression in the United States that lasted until 1896. This led to a realigning election in 1896 where the Republican Party took control of the White House. It interrupted the prosperity of the previous decade, and prosperity would not return until 1899.

Nostalgia is a weird thing. It’s interesting that, while the GOP establishment would love to roll back the economic clock to 1896, they play up the 1950s that never were to the Know-Nothing base.

Comment #42: Gracchus.  on  03/01  at  09:06 PM

She was 34, Ms. Kate, FWIW.

Comment #43: Dark Avenger Guardian Chow Mein  on  03/01  at  09:18 PM

First-time commenter, long-time reader. This was a great post. I think you really captured something with the insight that one can be nostalgic for the direction a previous era seemed to be headed, without wanting to actually live in that era. Any honest look at history will reveal that the past is always a mix of some things that were better than the present, and some things that were worse. But history is also about seeing specific moments of change in the past, and considering how all of the different variables could have led to vastly different outcomes.

I like Ben D.‘s comment about how the 90s were a missed opportunity, and I’d say the 60s and 20s (and even the 50s) were, too. My understanding is that times of prosperity and relative economic equality are times when a society is most open to reforming itself and opening up opportunities for previously excluded or marginalized groups. When the majority of people don’t feel like they have to fight each other for crumbs, arguments for inclusion tend to be more appealing. I don’t want to diminish the enormity of the VRA and 1964 Civil Rights Act, Great Society programs like Medicare and Medicaid, or the accomplishments of feminist reformers during the 60s, but because of the Vietnam War, the potential for even more significant reforms was lost. I’m generally averse to reductive theories of history, but if it wasn’t for the fact that the government was waging criminal operations overseas and being completely unresponsive to a popular anti-war movement, people probably wouldn’t have been so open to far-right attacks on the idea that government could be helpful to the governed. Stagflation resulting from the energy crisis made the situation even easier for the far-right, but the left could have responded with environmentalist policies designed to break the oil addiction, if the left hadn’t been weakened during the previous decade.

Getting back to the main focus of this post, appreciating history is a lot like what GPB accomplishes. Instead of reducing the past to a set of tropes and divorcing it from its politics and conflicts, history is about showing that given the set of variables at the time, there were opportunities to both sustain the status quo and to challenge it.  History is also a way for people to tell stories about the past that demonstrate how previous people might have engaged with present conflicts. In the context of GPB, it’s a way of showing how present injustices (patriarchal diminishing of women to nothing but sex objects) are incompatible with the values we supposedly prize as timeless (the idea that people shouldn’t be stupid).

On a completely unrelated note, the quotes from that Campos post are actually from my favorite law class’s textbook this semester.

Comment #44: curiouscliche  on  03/01  at  09:27 PM

Lorilei is a little dumb, but not nearly as dumb as she pretends to be in front of men.  You get the sense that her smarter pal Dorothy has to bail her out of harebrained schemes all the time, but when she’s talking to men she acts like she’s too bubble-brained to scheme at all.  It’s a deceptively subtle piece of character writing, and of course Marilyn Monroe plays it to the hilt.

I love the hell out of that movie.  Hilarious dialogue, classic performances from the two leads, amazing musical numbers, and the women wear different fabulous costumes in every damn scene—I swear sometimes they change from shot to shot.  Everyone should go watch it right now.

Comment #45: Shaenon  on  03/01  at  10:20 PM

Anyone who hasn’t yet seen GPB: Netflix instant!! See it now. It’s brilliant.

And the book is even better, really one of the funniest things ever written. It’s written in the voice of Lorelai, which is hilarious to begin with, and it’s especially hilarious to hear Dorothy’s sardonic remarks related through Lorelai, who doesn’t understand how mean and cutting they really are.

In the book Lorelai’s pretty clearly an idiot, but sort of an idiot savant when it comes to getting money out of gullible rich men, whom she casually manipulates with a combination of expert skill and wide-eyed oblivious amorality. Yet her own cultural pretensions are also hilarious; she often refers to herself as “a girl like I”—a phrase that Loos used as the title to one of her memoirs (which is also a pretty great read).

Comment #46: manboobz  on  03/01  at  10:52 PM

Nostalgia is largely tied to the age of the society at hand.  Roughly the children (8-16) in that era reflect back on it with a more positive light.  So right now the baby boomers are humping the 1950s like there is no tomorrow because they were largely too young to be involved in the civil rights era until the 1960s by which time much of the most iconic events had occurred and white interest was starting to wane as it tackled the corporate empires of the US.

Nostalgia though is directly tied to one’s existence in that past or wishful to desire to return to the idyllic setting.  The 1950s for both sides look good depending on whether you like Post-1954 or Pre-1954.  Brown v. Board of Education split the 1950s and drove social conservatives off the edge.

Comment #47: Xeranar  on  03/01  at  10:53 PM

Added to netlflix que. Love the scene.

Though, as a millenial, I find those male bodies awfully… unusual. As my friend said last night while watching a movie “You can tell this is from the 90s. None of the men have any muscle definition.”

Comment #48: John Joel Glanton  on  03/01  at  11:04 PM

Nostalgia + musical number as foundation for mid-20th-century Hollywood representation of female desire? 

How about Ann Miller’s “Prehistoric Man” number from On the Town?

Comment #49: Ben Alpers  on  03/01  at  11:35 PM

One of my favorite anti-nostalgia moments was when the 1990s TV show “Brooklyn Bridge” was airing on CBS. Someone was giving a sanctimonious preview for the show, which was set in a Brooklyn Jewish neighborhood in the 50s and, as I recall, was such a piece of nostalgia porn that Ronald Reagan probably found it over the top. The preview was the producer intoning something like “Come visit a special place called childhood.”

My dear mother, who grew up in the same era, but Catholic in New Jersey piped up. “Yeah, well I had a crappy childhood and I don’t want to go visit it.”

Comment #50: witless chum  on  03/02  at  10:49 AM

As Xeranar pointed out, nostalgia is all about wishing for an era when things weren’t complicated by grown-up worries and everything was rosy and sheltered (or seemed so for the nostalgist).  I think this is why people like David Brooks are so keen on the 1950s - for white men, the 1950s really were great, especially compared to now, when - horrors! - they have to actually work to match the competency of people of colour and white women, who have traditionally had to work three times as hard to get half as far.

It’s also why I see a nauseating tendency amongst my fellow Gen-Xer’s to wax nostalgic about the “groovy” ‘70s.  I still remember the damn decade, even though I was a kid, and it didn’t seem that awesome.  I like some of the stuff, though - and, to slide into another tangent, since this thread is old, and I’m probably just talking to myself - I think there’s a divide between “stuff” nostalgia and “those were the days” nostalgia.  I like a lot of the things from past eras - clothes, ephemera, games, silly swizzle sticks that look like a drunk guy hanging off your glass - but I don’t want to go back there, nor re-create those years.

Part of the “those were the days” nostalgia, though, is the mistaken idea that one, if one were to go back, would be one of the elite.  The upper classes and income brackets have always had a good time of it - pretty much always at the expense of everyone else.  You can see why the Right-Wing Rich love the idea of going back to the 1890s, when all those pesky regulations and rules to protect workers didn’t exist, and they could put children to work and pay them a pittance, therefore making themselves rich off the labor of the poor, but it’s less clear why anyone else would want to go back to a time when if you died on the job, your family would be SOL.

Comment #51: attack_laurel  on  03/02  at  11:52 AM

Jane Russel is actually against abortion rights, weirdly enough stemming from a botched back alley abortion she had that apparently left her infertile. Not too big on her. Lets stick to the Katherine Hepburns, Marlene Dietrichs, Mary Pickfords and Carol Lombards.

Comment #52: BeanS  on  03/02  at  10:48 PM

Some DAYUM fine manflesh in that video!

Yeeeeeeeessss. Why can’t we have that kind of delicious vaguely-homoerotic fanservice in all movies? For a sinful dirty “raunch” culture like our modern one we certainly have less naked dude than I would expect… If at least one mostly-nude man-on-man wrestling scene were mandatory in every movie I would not complain. smile

Comment #53: Bagelsan  on  03/03  at  02:47 AM
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