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Tom Maguire points us to the “92 percent group”, a group designed to fight Obama’s mortgage rescue plan for the 8% of people in foreclosure or mortgage trouble of some sort.

I find this to be a great idea, because housing is not a market that is in any way reactive to small and growing trends of instability.  Hence, while I will buy your currently paid-off house for the eight dollars and near-complete Noodles & Co. card in my wallet, you can rest secure that your insanely devalued house will not have its value shored up with your own tax dollars. 

UPDATE: I didn’t even notice their proposal for a national mortgage strike in April, which is a great way to show what a repsonsible homeowner you are. 

 

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Posted by Jesse Taylor on 01:12 PM • (23) Comments

The successor to the 92% Group will be the “No Taxes in My Treehouse”. Followed by the “I Am TO a Rock, so suck it John Donne and Paul Simon.”

Comment #1: histro-geek  on  02/24  at  01:57 PM

Do these people actually own property, or are they just chest-thumping morons? Do they somehow think that foreclosure sales are good for their property values? Or vacancies? They certainly seem to be affecting mine!

Comment #2: Llelldorin  on  02/24  at  01:59 PM

Well- it’s a great name.  They might not want to quite so obvious though in pointing out just how little an understanding they have of what the country wants.  I wonder how they are going to feel when 3% of the population joins in with them?  Will they change their name to the 3% Group?

Comment #3: drachonfire  on  02/24  at  02:04 PM

Lelldorin, I’d be willing to bet that yes they do all own property.  What they don’t have is the imagination required for basic empathy, and cannot picture themselves in a situation where they might have financial difficulties through no fault of their own.  Say, if they or someone in their family was diagnosed with cancer but their insurance wouldn’t pay for their treatment.  No, that sort of thing happens only to people who deserve it.

Comment #4: kaninchen  on  02/24  at  02:18 PM

Are they talking about the 92% of people who enjoy having boarded-up homes nearby*, or the 92% of people who enjoy having their home equity line of credit reduced to zero, as house prices plummet?

After the end of the Bush Presidency, every asset I own has either dropped significantly or pays a pitiful return.

Things are going to get worse before they get better, I fear.

*Assuming squatters and tweekers have not pried off the boards and are living inside.

Comment #5: Hector B.  on  02/24  at  02:22 PM

Drachonfire,
They’ll keep their name no matter what. The friggin’ Moral Majority never thought to change its name.

Comment #6: histro-geek  on  02/24  at  02:29 PM

I saw an interesting analysis.

A foreclosure in your neighborhood can cut 9% from the cost of your home.

There are 75,000,000 homes.

$75 billion is $1,000 per home.

9% is a heck of a lot more than $1,000.

There is, of course, one thing missing: how many people are actually facing a foreclosure in their neighborhood. I suspect this might be part of the issue. I reckon that if you live in a wealthy enough neighborhood, you may be (or may suspect that you’re) *not* facing foreclosures-in-your-neighborhood.

Comment #7: LongHairedWeirdo  on  02/24  at  02:36 PM

But it doesn’t even take empathy here! Saving people from foreclosure is good even from a purely selfish perspective, as LongHairedWeirdo just said! Yes, it’s all too easy to imagine getting thrown into financial ruin, but even if you had the imagination of a rock, all you’d have to do is look at what foreclosures have already done to your property value!

Sorry for the demented number of exclamation points, but the sheer bloodymindedness of this particular brand of crazy breaks my brain. I understand “I got mine, so fuck you,” much as I revile it. I don’t understand “What? Fix the leaks in hull down in steerage? How is that fair to us up in first class? And where’s the steward with the mop?” even slightly.

Comment #8: Llelldorin  on  02/24  at  02:45 PM

There is, of course, one thing missing: how many people are actually facing a foreclosure in their neighborhood. I suspect this might be part of the issue. I reckon that if you live in a wealthy enough neighborhood, you may be (or may suspect that you’re) *not* facing foreclosures-in-your-neighborhood.

I also think that foreclosures in wealthier neighborhoods have gone a lot more quietly than those in more hard-hit neighborhoods.

We live in what could be considered a “wealthier” neighborhood, and we’ve had foreclosures. But all those foreclosures have sold relatively quickly at auction to actual people who want to live there. People who are purchasing formerly $600K custom/semi-custom houses for $300K, rather than going to the more generic subdivision down the road and purchasing formerly $300K house for $150K.  The amount of “stock” of the formerly $600K houses is a lot smaller than the amount of stock of the formerly $300K houses, so there’s still some people out there who recognize that it’s probably a damned good deal.

My neighbors still dismiss that those house sold at $300K because, well, it was at auction. They’re also ignoring the fact that NO HOUSE in our subdivision has sold without foreclosure in almost 3 years at this point.

Comment #9: hp  on  02/24  at  02:46 PM

“reckon that if you live in a wealthy enough neighborhood, you may be (or may suspect that you’re) *not* facing foreclosures-in-your-neighborhood.

Did you read about the problems in the Hamptons? They now have mansions going for half price and people still aren’t buying them. Sorry but wealthy neighborhoods are seeing foreclosures and several suburbs are becoming abandoned.

Comment #10: tootiredoftheright  on  02/24  at  02:47 PM

You know, I’m probably far more insulated from the housing market than any of these yahoos — my lendor is my father and I’m probably not going to be buying or selling any time in the next eight to ten years — but even though I have absolutely no vested personal monetary interest in bailing out the mortgage industry whatsoever, I’m still not such a complete and utter fucking moron as to think that it doesn’t need to be done.

One of the main drawbacks to being a self-absorbed twit with no real concept of reality is that pretty much everything you think, say, or do is objectively wrong.

Comment #11: Dan, Grand High Emperor of Bananas Foster  on  02/24  at  02:53 PM

Too bad those 92%ers don’t all live in the same neighborhood—we could just refuse to help out anyone who lives there.

Comment #12: Incertus, Nacho Daddy  on  02/24  at  02:54 PM

If you’re in a position where you’re going to want to sell your home anytime in the next couple years, it hardly matters if you’re in a wealthy neighborhood or not. The mortgage crises drags *all* home prices down.

And in the wealthy neighborhood, the homes may not have big “foreclosure” signs, but dollars to donuts, a lot of those for sale signs are up because the owners are in trouble. While the poor people were getting the problematic 100 percent financing with atrocious adjustable rate mortgages, a lot of “rich” people were getting interest only loans with giant balloon payments that are coming due.

Granted, a lot of these borrowers were ______ (fill in the blank - greedy, stupid, naive, irresponsible, purple, from Mars, etc.) Doesn’t change the fact is that their problems are dragging all the home values down, which means even people who did everything “right” could find themselves in serious trouble because their homes are worth less than their mortgage.

Comment #13: Phoebe Fay  on  02/24  at  02:58 PM

And, thinking a bit more . . . the other factor in our neighborhood is that we’ve got a couple of residents (I and my husband, some of our close neighbors) who have been keeping vacant properties’ exteriors in shape while they were vacant. Not a whole lot: mowing lawns last summer/snow-blowing walks this winter, removing any debris from the property, keeping an overall eye on the houses.

For us, the value of keeping those properties up outweighs the negative of the time it takes. If those houses don’t look attractive to thieves and squatters, our houses aren’t going to come into their sights either. But we’re quite lucky, as I said above: only 1 of those untended properties has remained vacant for a long period of time (it’s not in foreclosure; still for sale but the owners aren’t maintaining it), and generally the properties were in good condition to start anyhow. And we have the bit of time available to do it.

Comment #14: hp  on  02/24  at  03:02 PM

No, those people don’t own property. They live in houses owned by banks, just like everyone else with a mortgage. And they were looking forward to picking up a bunch more properties cheap, for investment purposes.

Comment #15: paul  on  02/24  at  03:49 PM

As if keeping one’s own property value from going down weren’t reason enough to prevent foreclosures, there’s also, at least in warmer climes, a public-health reason: Mosquitoes turning abandoned swimming pools into breeding grounds for disease.

“Abandoned swimming pools can, over the course of a month, produce thousands of mosquitoes,” said Jonathan Day, professor of medical entomology at the University of Florida. “You have a whole new source of mosquitoes you didn’t have before, and these are mosquitoes that transmit West Nile virus.”

But I guess that if you get bitten by an infected mosquito and become deathly ill, and you don’t have healthcare, it’s your own st00pid l00zer fault.

Comment #16: Nobody in Particular  on  02/24  at  04:36 PM

It isn’t even a matter of the foreclosures dragging prices down. I live in a wealthy neighborhood - there’s only one foreclosure anywhere near me, and my home’s value hasn’t dropped noticeably. But what we do have is 15 months housing inventory on the market right now. That includes the three brand new houses that were built after the bubble burst, because what else are the construction companies supposed to do?

I’d like a bigger house, but there’s no way we could sell our house right now. No one’s buying houses that cost as much as ours right now. There’s a house down the street that’s been on the market for over a year, and lowering the price hasn’t helped anyone sell. Even if I didn’t have empathy, I think we need to fix the mortgage crisis so the lack of crisis will help restart the real estate market so I can have a house with room for a library and another kid. Surely even republicans want to sell their houses and get more bedrooms and bathrooms?

Whatever. If these idiots want to skip their April mortgage payment, they’ll just make me look better to my lender.

Comment #17: Av0gadro  on  02/24  at  05:25 PM

They’re going to withhold April’s mortgage payment?

And they think they can do that without penalty?

The banks will charge interest and late fees AND they will report it to the credit agencies, who will lower FICO scores.  The lowered FICO scores may be used by other asshole credit card companies to “change the terms” of their agreement, or raise the interest rate to 30% even though the default wasn’t on their account.

Should these l00zers then decide to cancel the card or refuse the terms (in which case the credit card company terminates the card), their credit availability will take a hit, which will again lower that magical, used for things it was never intended for, FICO score.

Which will cause still further cards to raise rates, change terms, shorten grace periods, etc.

These assholes really think they can play chicken with their mortgage payment and teach THE MAN a lesson?  Idiots.  Seriously, if you want to boycott, at least learn a little bit about what boycotts are and how they work.

Comment #18: Caren-Sun-blocking Creator of Animorphic Pancakes  on  02/24  at  05:39 PM

I reckon that if you live in a wealthy enough neighborhood, you may be (or may suspect that you’re) *not* facing foreclosures-in-your-neighborhood.

Actually, I suspect it’s the opposite—these people do know a lot of people in foreclosure but are convinced that it’s because those friends/neighbors are dumb and made bad decision, not because there’s a systemic problem.  How else can they reassure themselves that the thing that’s happening to people just like them will never happen to them?

Comment #19: Mnemosyne  on  02/24  at  05:53 PM

“Granted, a lot of these borrowers were ______ (fill in the blank - greedy, stupid, naive, irresponsible, purple, from Mars, etc.) “

Did you miss that special that showed the home lenders were doing nasty contracts that had a lot of nasty hidden clauses or didn’t mention what the effects of the ARM were?

The home lenders and home mortage companies were responsible for a lot of this mess in the home buying market.

Comment #20: tootiredoftheright  on  02/24  at  06:14 PM

Personally I plan to protest the bank that holds my mortgage by refusing to pay my taxes. Except I don’t have a mortgage, dammit.

OK, I’m going to protest Section 8 by refusing to pay my rent.

Comment #21: magistera  on  02/24  at  06:31 PM

What pisses me off is that these jackasses supported McCain, whose mortgage scheme was absolutely insane.  It would have cost four times the amount of the Obama plan, had no measures to help people who most desperately need it or who aren’t completely lost causes, and was a huge giveaway to the mortgage industry.  Obama’s plan is actually responsible and lets people who aren’t 100 percent underwater or weren’t ridiculously irresponsible in buying way more house than they could afford renegotiate the terms of their mortgages.

A lot of people are still going to be left out of this plan, but this is the best of all possible worlds and takes the best steps possible to help people who most need it and are the most deserving.

Comment #22: keshmeshi  on  02/24  at  07:02 PM

How about Tom-Tom getting Scooter Libby to pay off all the mortgages?

Comment #23: pseudonymous in nc  on  02/24  at  08:26 PM
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