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A Day In The Life Of The Only Appreciator Of The Masculine Life Force

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Kathy G is on it—-Camille Paglia has outdone herself in the stupidity department, if you can believe it.  People always wonder why Salon publishes her, but I don’t.  She was a founder; she probably has an iron-bound contract that says they have to. Mickey Kaus and Lord Saletan are harder-working contrarians, and that’s saying a lot, because being a contrarian is just a matter of guessing what your average liberal thinks and disagreeing.  It’s not really different than being a conservative, except you maintain a pose—-some people pull it off for years—-that you’re a liberal who just finds your fellows thoughtless or disagreeable.  Paglia’s twist on this is that she’s the feminist who hates women, unless they give her girl wood.  So naturally, she luvs Sarah Palin.  Her crush reminds me of this post Samhita linked yesterday for discussion.  I disagree that men as a whole are so dick-oriented in their thinking, but I couldn’t disagree that this is going on in light of the wood-based voting comments offered by Rich Lowry, and Palin’s winking and wiggling her way through the debate.

However a lot of men, especially older men see her as hot. She’s a fantasy come to life. She’s the naughty librarian ‘MILF’ who they’d love to get with. This manifest itself in the form of male talk show hosts giving her a pass. Many actually spend valuable time talking about her looks and small time stuff and not her scary politics.
It manifest itself in people actually giving John McCain props for picking such a nice ‘looking babe’ versus’s focusing on his shortcomings. It sort of like him having a trophy wife. Except this one will have serious impact on US policy. It manifest itself in male producers who are behind the scenes spending time editing film and audio tape giving her a favorable look as she is a welcome break from the daily onslaught of old wrinkly white males who they are usually editing.

Paglia is one of these guys. She denies that her main attraction to Palin is bone-ability, but seriously, she invokes Madonna and she waxes poetic about Palin’s motherhood, as if that’s unique amongst female candidates.  She actually tries to compare Palin’s unintelligible answers to questions to the dialects of recent immigrants who speak broken English, which is inventive and charming, but I have to point out is a product of necessity.  Palin is a lifelong English-speaker. Paglia waves her hands about voting for Obama, but seriously, she writes like a full-blown wingnut. 

As for Palin’s brutally edited interviews with Charlie Gibson and that viper, Katie Couric, don’t we all know that the best bits ended up on the cutting-room floor?

Sure they did, Camille.  Sure they did.

Like I told Kathy, I think that Paglia probably likes Palin not despite of Palin’s hostility to rape victims and unwillingness to put law enforcement on the job of fighting rape, but because of it. I dare someone to write her and bring it up, and see what she says.

Paglia is lazy, but I’m not sure it’s easy to be her.  After all, her entire writing career is about filtering the world through two lens: 1) Women are just obviously inferior to men, and the only good woman is a woman who presents a fantasy (preferably sexual) for men, and never questions male authority or even violence and 2) Nuh-uh.  Which is to say that if she’s not interested in listening to liberal ideas or arguments, but she just knows they’re wrong and will spend her entire time writing coming up with allusion-laden rationalizations for why.  If she lives this way, it must be exhausting.  Think about all the interactions that she has to be a bellicose bully to get through in order to preserve her self-image as a masculinity-upholding force of super-reader nature.  Speculations:

*Paglia usually drinks coffee in the morning that she makes herself.  Her wife, in a moment of graciousness, gets up before her and makes the coffee.  Paglia swoops in and bristles at the nicey-nice liberal lady behavior.  “From now on, I’ll be drinking tea.  Liberals have lost the verve and the nerve that drove the revolutionaries to throw the Boston Tea Party.  Western imperialists conquered the world with their masculine heartiness reinforced by tea, not coffee.  I’ll have nothing to do with the elitist coffee bean that may show up in salt of the earth 7-11 coffee machines, but is also in the drinks of the nattering ladies who cluster in upscale espresso bars.”

*Standing in line at the grocery store, Paglia looks up and sees that the clerk in the next line has opened it up.  She waves Paglia over and points out it’ll be much faster in the shorter line.  Paglia harrumphs.  “Convenience is what makes people so weak.  The Greeks would have never been victorious in the Trojan War if they’d tried to speed through it.  Madonna wouldn’t have become The Greatest Feminist Ever if she’d given up after her first album.” 

*At the bank, the teller notes that she can get Paglia into a better savings account with a higher interest rate in two keystrokes.  Paglia arches an eyebrow at her and says, “I will take your offer, but I have to register my distress at the way this bank is run.  I blame the feminists who think that women should just be offered the easy life and higher interest rates.  What ever happened to scratching and clawing and fighting?  Athena did not slide into a higher interest rate through the comforting moisture of the vagina.  She burst through a skull and demanded it!  Why have feminists abandoned the warrior spirit?”

*In the parking lot, a guy driving by in his car wolf whistles at Paglia.  She feels annoyed, and assumes that it must be because other women out there can’t find it in their heart to bask in the mighty masculine power she just bore witness to.  She gazes after the car, composing an ode to the “No Fear” sticker on the back window, one that features the word “hysterical” to describe anyone who thinks those stickers are stupid and/or tacky.

*Back at home on the couch, Paglia’s wife suggests they watch the latest critical darling in the vein of “The Wire” or “Mad Men”.  Paglia agrees, but within 15 minutes finds herself becoming annoyed.  “Lord Byron would have never just sat down at his desk and carefully written his work as if he were Emily Dickinson scribbling away in secret in her bedroom.  So why must these TV writers?  Have they forgotten the true life of the writer, to put down the pen and go tackle the world!  Change the channel.  The only true poets working in TV are the ones who toss off the ideas for reality TV shows and then go out drinking.”

Since we’re weak-minded, feminized liberals, let’s make this a community effort.  Come up with your own examples of how Paglia’s attitude must make her life wearying.

 

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Posted by Amanda Marcotte on 11:37 AM • (68) Comments

Uh, just a note, but when DOESN’T Paglia insert Madonna into one of her columns? It’s almost a compulsive tic with this woman. The problem with her is her shtick is so ‘90s and it never changes. That she sounds full-on wingnut doesn’t surprise me in the least. I’d always suspected she was a closeted wingnut.

Comment #1: crossbuck  on  10/08  at  11:52 AM

that viper, Katie Couric

OK, this is the point where Paglia drops character, as they say in Teh Theatah. 

Because, no, you don’t get to be a “liberal contrarian” and describe Couric as a “viper”.  I mean, we’re talking about the former anchor of the Today Show, here.  She’s no Rachel Maddow or even Christiane Amanpour, and I think everybody but Freeper-level wingnuts knows that. 

Then again, the liberal contrarian pose worked OK during the Clinton administration when things were far less polarized, and in the era before blogs and zillion-channel HDTV when people were much less clued in about the media and who has what kinds of political leanings.  It’s a hard pose to hold now, because it requires an amazing level of contortion—like pretending Katie Couric is a leftist partisan hack or notoriously tough cookie.

Comment #2: The Opoponax  on  10/08  at  11:54 AM

“To sit is to rest. To stand is to be ready to attack, to rise to defend, to strive for true excellence. Did Alexander the Great weakly rest his fighting buns in his quest to conquer the ancient world? No, he did not surrender to weak impulses—he stood, as all great men have stood! And so I shall henceforth stand to pee, just as they did…”

Comment #3: Scott  on  10/08  at  11:55 AM

I could be wrong about this, but I believe ABC released all the raw footage of the Gibson interview. I’d like to see CBS do the same, not that it would shut up the wingnutteria, but because I have to think there’s even more stupid going on in there than we saw.

Comment #4: Incertus, Nacho Daddy  on  10/08  at  12:15 PM

Victor Davis Hanson in a pant-suit.

Comment #5: Gozer  on  10/08  at  12:16 PM

“No Fear” sticker - Awesome. I haven’t seen one in 10 years, but it still evokes a certain image.

And that image? Asshat.

Comment #6: Daisy  on  10/08  at  12:25 PM

The only problem with your speculations is that Paglia doesn’t say “As I argued in ‘Sexual Personae…’”

That is to her what “my friends” is to McCain.

Comment #7: tc  on  10/08  at  12:41 PM

Palin had 5 kids; she can’t be that hot naked.

And her voice, goddamn that voice, it’s like a cheese grater on my balls.

Paglia is not one of us.

Comment #8: Sirkowski  on  10/08  at  12:48 PM

for the love of FSM. I got through the first two paragraphs of Paglia’s tripe before decamping to watch her be eviscerated on Pandagon.

And you did not disappoint!

Comment #9: Well, what?  on  10/08  at  12:51 PM

I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again: the only thing Paglia has ever been interested in is Paglia. Her entire career is one of shameless self-promotion; it’s just too bad that she decided to self-promote by undermining good people trying to do good things. Her only rationale for existence is to propagate her own legend.

Comment #10: J.V.  on  10/08  at  12:53 PM

Apparently any attention is good attention. Mathematical computations on a Kray Supercomputer in Palo Alto indicate that my comment has pushed her over the attention threshold necessary to have another column printed. My bad.

Comment #11: norbizness  on  10/08  at  12:54 PM

Palin waves her hands about voting for Obama, but seriously, she writes like a full-blown wingnut. 

I think you mean Paglia there.

Comment #12: Incertus, Nacho Daddy  on  10/08  at  12:58 PM

The only appreciator of the masculine life force?

God God! She’s a testicular hagfish! The Nosferatu of ‘nads!


///After viewing the Psycho Hose Beast scene from Wayne’s World, Paglia writes a column describing how Wayne’s liberal sympathies make him unable to accept the willing submission of femininity, much as Madonna, Pat Benetar, Cindi Lauper, and Debbie Boone all were forced to destroy and negate their female birthright in devotion to a misguided notion that money and success and artistic expression have anything to do with the invaginated.
Sighing, she pushes way her ibook, and casually mentions to her live-in doormat of a girlfriend (why buy the cow, and all…) that she would really like a gunrack for her birthday. Rolling her eyes at the incompetant womans look of confusion and surprize, she casually fires off an e-mail to Glenn Greenwald asking if he’s met any nice girls lately.

Comment #13: Indy  on  10/08  at  01:11 PM

Ooooh, Pagliaworld! While being unbearable in print and in person, Paglia’s thought harps on something of interest to me: how is female sexuality written into—or out of—attainments of power: political leadership, cultural accomplishment. It makes me both want to laugh and cry that Paglia is genuinely affronted that female politicians don’t whip off their tops and try to use the overwhelming advantage of their boobies to influence the boobs (men) in the room to vote their way. To Palia, Palin’s high heels and winks and, well, Sadean wolf hunting from choppers are at least a nudge in this orgiastic direction. (Thank God Palin arrived after that sexless HRC that Paglia loathes . . . Don’t get her started on Olympia Pure-as-the-driven Snowe. . .)

Paglia hopes that if we get a female president she better look like Liz Taylor at her best in Butterfield 8 and rule over us with the maw of her sexual magnetism shadowed by that old saw from The Reproduction of Mothering: we crave, fear and loathe females because their bodies give birth to our helpless baby selves and we want to keep them from power—-political leadership, cultural accomplishment—because we’re terrified and titillated more than we can stand to have them presiding over us again—-again! again!—after all that time in the dark of infancy/childhood. Oooooooh!

It’s weird that Paglia still has a public forum to write her sexual confessions. Reading her always has an odd effect on me. Today some men’s mag picked the new mom Halle Berry as the “Sexiest Woman Alive” or some such. Maybe we Americans have made a lick of progress in handling the shock and awe evoked in us by women’s attractiveness, women’s maternal capacity. (?) Maybe we can turn our attention to the economy. Nah. . .

Comment #14: SoCalDemocrat  on  10/08  at  01:39 PM

Oh God, I read that yesterday and was like “Yup, Paglia’s still stupid.”  Her answer to almost every letter is “Your conservative views are so refreshing!  I came up with them all before you, in [book title].”

The question that keeps popping up for me is whether Palin, who was born in Idaho, could possibly be part Native American (as we know her husband is), which sometimes seems suggested by her strong facial contours. I have felt that same extraordinary energy and hyper-alertness billowing out from other women with Native American ancestry—including two overpowering celebrity icons with whom I have worked.

That’s not racist at all. 

The animus of liberal feminists toward religion must also end (I am speaking as an atheist). Feminism must reexamine all of its assumptions, including its death grip on abortion, if it wishes to survive.

Feminism must stop being feminist if it wants to survive!  How interesting.

Not from Paglia, but she agreed with it:

What does it say that he and Sarah have a mutually aggrandizing partnership/marriage? A successful professional woman who embraces a masculine male rather than castrate him?

I’m not sure what parts of other professional women’s relationships constitute “castrating” the men.  Nobody explained it.

Comment #15: killjoy  on  10/08  at  01:52 PM

Its time to FIGHT! Strike back against these media weapons of mass distortion!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K50TS0UZE7w

THIS IS THE VIDEO THEY DONT WANT YOU TO SEE

Comment #16: Titor  on  10/08  at  01:56 PM

during the Clinton administration when things were far less polarized

Did you ever think, during the Clinton administration, that you would ever be able to write that phrase? Lord, how far we’ve come.

Comment #17: chingona  on  10/08  at  02:30 PM

As for this:

Palin had 5 kids; she can’t be that hot naked.

I just have to call this out as unnecessary and irrelevant. That is all.

Comment #18: chingona  on  10/08  at  02:32 PM

There’s nothing wrong with Palin’s voice, face, or body. She looks and sounds like a normal person. It’s when you hear what she’s saying that she becomes abhorrent.

For fuck’s sake.

Comment #19: junk science  on  10/08  at  02:40 PM

I was with you, Chingona.  I understand that her hotness is supposedly a crucial issue in the election, but, since it’s irrelevant, let’s not engage them on it, kthx.

Comment #20: INTPagan  on  10/08  at  02:41 PM

Ok, I say this aware that it may invite criticism:

The premise of the article is false and presumptious.  Yes, Sarah Palin is physically pleasant.  However, her stupidity makes her completely unattractive and I don’t think I’m the only middle aged man to see it that way.  She’s Tina Fey without talent, brains, humor, or a hot quotient.

And who the hell is going to vote for someone on that basis anyway?  Are so many of the men that Paglia knows led around by their gonads that way?  It’s like the Time.com article recently that said that women hated Palin because she was pretty . . . . stupid.  I don’t think women, as any kind of rule, are stupid enough to vote for Palin because she’s a woman or against her because she’s pretty, and I don’t think too many men will vote for her because she’s pretty.  I do think that a lot of men will have problems voting for her because she’s a woman but hey, their party nominated her so they can kiss my butt.

Comment #21: freak  on  10/08  at  02:56 PM

And who the hell is going to vote for someone on that basis anyway?

Unfortunately, a potentially large amount of people could do that.

Comment #22: atheist  on  10/08  at  03:11 PM

I sort of remember No Fear stickers, but I have no idea what that reference is about.  I guess I thought it was some sort of advertising or something. 

How old does one have to be to think Palin is hot though?  Doesn’t McCain already have the old white guy vote?  On one hand I think it’s stupid to be discussing her sexual attractiveness when it wouldn’t come up if she were a man, and on the other I can’t help believing that was one of the reasons she was chosen. 

There are a lot better Republican women aren’t there?  Surely she isn’t the best of the best of what the party has.  Aren’t there women in the Republican party with a grasp of the issues who are old enough to run for Vice President?  Why Palin?

Comment #23: G Porgy  on  10/08  at  03:14 PM

“And who the hell is going to vote for someone on that basis anyway?
Unfortunately, a potentially large amount of people could do that.”

More than none is too many…

Comment #24: MikeEss  on  10/08  at  03:30 PM

I do think that a lot of men will have problems voting for her because she’s a woman

I don’t.  A lot of men love Ann Coulter, and Palin is playing to those men.  She’s careful to tie herself to men in her speeches—McCain is “the *man* I want in the White House”, “Todd and I” this, “McCain is the consummate maverick” that.  I think the Republican Party is obscenely sexist, but they have evolved past the point when they wouldn’t let Phyllis Schlafly in.

On one hand I think it’s stupid to be discussing her sexual attractiveness when it wouldn’t come up if she were a man, and on the other I can’t help believing that was one of the reasons she was chosen.

I think it’s absolutely true that she was chosen partly for her looks.  I don’t think it’s useful or woman-friendly to go into detail about whether she is or isn’t attractive—conservative men think she is, and that’s really all that matters here.

Comment #25: killjoy  on  10/08  at  03:31 PM

chingona says:
I just have to call this out as unnecessary and irrelevant. That is all.

Paglia said:
However a lot of men, especially older men see her as hot. She’s a fantasy come to life. She’s the naughty librarian ‘MILF’ who they’d love to get with.

Comment #26: Sirkowski  on  10/08  at  03:36 PM

By the way, I think it’s fair to concentrate on Palin’s supposed sexyness and ‘charming’ voice, considering that’s the limited potential she has. And even that is a lie. She’s doesn’t look THAT good and her voice makes me want to club baby seals. This is the same bullshit Chris Matthews was spinning about Fred Thompson’s manliness and musqy smell… barf!

Comment #27: Sirkowski  on  10/08  at  03:45 PM

Sirkowski, what’s unnecessary and irrelevant is speculating about what a woman’s body looks like after childbirth.  It objectifies her just as badly as speculating about how hot she is.

Comment #28: Mnemosyne  on  10/08  at  03:52 PM

I think it’s fair to concentrate on Palin’s supposed sexyness and ‘charming’ voice, considering that’s the limited potential she has. And even that is a lie. She’s doesn’t look THAT good and her voice makes me want to club baby seals.

Put it this way.  If she were indisputably stunning, with a melodious voice, would that really make the VPILF stuff okay, or her interviews any less of a trainwreck, or her speeches any less nasty? 

It’s irrelevant.

Comment #29: killjoy  on  10/08  at  04:01 PM

Ah, Killjoy was right. I think she looks fine, but I don’t really give a flying fuck how she looks. She’s extremist and apparently not too bright. What else do you need.

Comment #30: atheist  on  10/08  at  04:07 PM

Paglia is one of the weirdest specimens in Punditville. A misogynist lesbian who sees heterosexual relationships in terms of justified war, which by her own terms effectively makes her a chickenhawk. For all her glib raging against academia, she’s the ultimate stereotype of a pretentious ivory tower intellectual whose ideas have nothing to do with reality. Does anyone still read her anymore, aside from those of us who like to trot over to Salon occasionally to point and laugh?

Comment #31: J Neo Marvin  on  10/08  at  04:08 PM

I understand that her hotness is supposedly a crucial issue in the <strike>election</strike> erection...

Ah, so.  Am preased to be a cyst.

Comment #32: amocz  on  10/08  at  04:08 PM

For all her glib raging against academia, she’s the ultimate stereotype of a pretentious ivory tower intellectual whose ideas have nothing to do with reality.

Absolutely.

I sorta think that at one point, years ago, she wasn’t the kind of intellectual bullshit artist that she is today. (Or, maybe I was just more naive then.) But whatever the case, the complete nullity of her ideas is surrounded by an amazingly tedious, amazingly intricate shell of intellectual crap.

Comment #33: atheist  on  10/08  at  04:14 PM

“No Fear” sticker - Awesome. I haven’t seen one in 10 years,

You don’t live in the south, do you, daisy?

Comment #34: spencer  on  10/08  at  04:14 PM

Did you ever think, during the Clinton administration, that you would ever be able to write that phrase? Lord, how far we’ve come.

I know, right?

Comment #35: The Opoponax  on  10/08  at  04:29 PM

Just as she did with Madonna, Paglia is intent on riding this Palin thing all the way to another speaking tour and maybe to get publishers to answer her calls again.

Comment #36: T Chance  on  10/08  at  04:29 PM

On one hand I think it’s stupid to be discussing her sexual attractiveness when it wouldn’t come up if she were a man

It did for John Edwards, aka “Breck Girl”.

Comment #37: deep6  on  10/08  at  04:42 PM

I disagree that men as a whole are so dick-oriented in their thinking, but I couldn’t disagree that this is going on in light of the wood-based voting comments offered by Rich Lowry, and Palin’s winking and wiggling her way through the debate.

John ‘Kung Fu Monkey’ Rogers has the ultimate comment on that:

Modern American Conservatives have sunk to the intellectual and emotional level of the guy who thinks the stripper really likes him.

So, it seems, has Camille Paglia.

Comment #38: TomHilton  on  10/08  at  04:44 PM

Paglia:

It manifest itself in people actually giving John McCain props for picking such a nice ‘looking babe’ versus’s focusing on his shortcomings.

Shouldn’t we expect better from a professor and a Yale Ph.D?

Comment #39: Roger Ailes  on  10/08  at  04:53 PM

The attacks on John Edwards because of his appearance, the constant harping on his hair and the way he dressed were just as superficial and irrelevant as the attention being given Palin.  His appearance was being used by his enemies to prove that he was somewhat feminine, (The Breck Girl), and an elitist rich boy, (the $400 haircut).  The right was trying to obscure Edwards message. 

I don’t think anyone believed that the way he looked qualified him for the office of President, they were trying to use it as a reason why he wasn’t qualified.

The opposite seems to be true with Palin.  She gets a lot of press for being attractive, and a lot of older guys do seem to find her attractive.  I don’t remember any commentators saying that they were sexually turned on by Edwards, or thought that he was smiling or winking at them.  The Republican party wants Palin as a sex object and an icon of motherhood and chastity.  I’m not sure what the idea is really, but I don’t think it’s quite the same thing as it was with Edwards.  Either way, isn’t it irrelevant to whatever her message might be?

Using her as an attack dog against Obama and a distraction from the fact that the McCain campaign has no ideas and no real plans for change is not something new in politics.  Finding a woman who is much less qualified than other available women in their own party and running her as vice-president because she is attractive is cynical though, and typically Republican.

Comment #40: G Porgy  on  10/08  at  05:06 PM

I don’t see all the attraction to Palin, frankly…Tina Fey, on the other hand, reminds me of one of the teachers at my High School on whom i had a bit of a crush…and of course it only makes sense that the one who piques my interest is the smart, funny progressive and not the weird, creepy, religiofascist wingnut.  (Theocrat Barbie and her glass playhouse)

Comment #41: The Crapture  on  10/08  at  05:12 PM

Either way, isn’t it irrelevant to whatever her message might be?

Oh absolutely, but if message were what’s most important during campaign season, McCain/Palin wouldn’t be pulling 1/2 the vote in sample polling.  McCain himself acknowledges in Newsweek this week she’s on the ticket because she connects with “everyday Americans”.  I assume that they use this term to identify people for whom policy positions aren’t as important as overall character and the feeling they get of the candidate him/herself (i.e. Is this person trustworthy?  Does this person have integrity?)  These are all things people judge based on feelings and gut instinct and qualities of personality that are scripted/acted/marketed to the electorate.  Because of that, I don’t think her attractiveness is out of bounds for discussion because it’s part of a personal image and partisan brand. 

I work in Sales & Distribution for an investment company.  From personal experience, how you look absolutely affects how successful you are at selling your products. 

I don’t think anyone believed that the way he looked qualified him for the office of President, they were trying to use it as a reason why he wasn’t qualified.

Kind of related, remember when Chris Matthews in ‘04 kept going on about how all the women were going to vote for Edwards because he was so handsome?  Not exactly analogous, but I think there’s an expectation that HOT = VOTES.

Comment #42: deep6  on  10/08  at  05:48 PM

A lot of men love Ann Coulter, and Palin is playing to those men. 

Which strikes me as a sign of foolishness at best or desperation at worst: those men are always going to vote R, so why go to much trouble to appeal to them?  Unless they have to go so far as to pick a fool and a tool as VP just to keep the Coulterites voting at all?

To reiterate G Porgy’s point, the Edwards comparison is off.  The Democrats and his campaign weren’t really playing up his physical attractiveness.  They didn’t have to; the msm talked it up on their own but put a GOP spin on it.  They made it a liability by feminizing him with the “Breck girl” and haircut stuff.  The Palin Thing is different since it’s the candidate herself who is pushing it and embracing her feminization.  And conservatives and anti-feminists eat that shit up.

That being said, sex appeal and politics is nothing new and is not limited to women nor to Republicans.  Bush in the flight suit with the bulge?  That one had presumably straight guy Chris Matthews drooling on his tie.  Don Rumsfeld was called the sexiest man alive.  Bill Clinton was constantly held up as some superstud sex god- which was only understandable in comparison to Bush I or Bob Dole.

Hello, Jack and Bobby Kennedy?

I also seem to recall a certain photo of Obama in a bathing suit romping on the beach that was on all the blogs back during the primaries.

Sex sells, if only to people who don’t think.  Whodathunkit?  The sexy-guy politician narrative assumes that women voters don’t think: the Palin candidacy shows that anti-feminists have the same low opinion of men.

Frankly, I’ve always found the Hooters-girl approach to sales at least offputting or even downright insulting.  That a major party candidate would use it is beneath contempt.  You’re not selling me a plate of chicken wings.  You think I’m going to vote against everything I hold dear and against my own interests because you winked at me like a b-girl?  That’s incredibly insulting.  You’re running for high office; show some respect for that fact if not for yourself.

Comment #43: Flex Gunship Palin  on  10/08  at  06:06 PM

Is Robert Zimmerman’s post meant to be Carlinesque bait, or is he actually serious?  Because if he’s serious, um . . . whoa.

Comment #44: deep6  on  10/08  at  06:33 PM

How cute; Robert’s been listening to Limbaugh.

Unless his comment is just satire.  But it doesn’t have that flavor.

Either way, that’s almost verbatim Limbaugh.

Comment #45: INTPagan  on  10/08  at  06:44 PM

“that viper Katie Couric”

Oh shit! that cracked me up!  For the next couple of days that’s going to pop up randomly in my head, and i won’t be able to explain to my coworkers why i’m laughing.

Comment #46: pablo  on  10/08  at  06:55 PM

Robert Zimmerman isn’t smart enough for satire.  In fact, he probably wrote most of An American Carol, and he and three other people are the only ones who thought it was funny…

Comment #47: MikeEss  on  10/08  at  06:56 PM

Watch Palin’s eyes when she talks.  The only time they light up is when she’s saying something mean.

Comment #48: togolosh  on  10/08  at  07:13 PM

And that’s what feminism is really all about….access….access to people and things that they don’t normally have access to. Really “hot” women have all the access they need. That’s why you don’t see that many good looking women that run around screaming about feminism.

In other words, women’s access to things like jobs should be completely dependent on what they look like, because everyone knows women can’t actually do anything, so they may as well stand there and look pretty rather than try to write code or sell medical supplies or anything.

Yeah, that’s a GREAT way to run a 21st-century economy, Robert!  I can’t see any downside at all to not caring if half of the workforce is competent in any way as long as they look good while they lose half your client list for you.

Comment #49: Mnemosyne  on  10/08  at  07:28 PM

Either way, that’s almost verbatim Limbaugh.

Because, really, who’s a better judge of women than three-time marital loser Rush Limbaugh?  Or has he now been divorced four times?  It’s so hard to keep track of these family values Republicans.

Comment #50: Mnemosyne  on  10/08  at  07:30 PM

Eh, wingnuts mostly love the UR UGLY thing because it’s subjective.  They can claim to have judged feminists unattractive, but there’s zero evidence that they’d have the same opinions if they didn’t know the women’s politics.  Half the women that anti-feminists claim aren’t hot would be if said anti-feminists didn’t know the women were feminists.

Comment #51: Amanda Marcotte  on  10/08  at  08:47 PM

It’s also the sad clinging to the male privilege to judge any woman and she has to submit.  That feminists laugh at this has to be maddening, especially to sad men who have no talents or virtues of their own, and have to cling to male privilege because without it, they’re nothing.

Comment #52: Amanda Marcotte  on  10/08  at  08:48 PM

Paglia said:
However a lot of men, especially older men see her as hot. She’s a fantasy come to life. She’s the naughty librarian ‘MILF’ who they’d love to get with.

Newsflash to Paglia:
Even naughty librarians are SMART.

Comment #53: hbsweet, empress of ice cream  on  10/08  at  09:21 PM

It objectifies her just as badly as speculating about how hot she is.

I’m objectifying a fascist pig, how rude of me.

Comment #54: Sirkowski  on  10/08  at  09:22 PM

Sirkowski, you’re an asshole, but I’m going to try to spell it out.

Your original comment was anti-feminist in several ways and also simply fucked up in a few other ways.

Way 1) Judging any woman in public life by how hot or not hot she is anti-feminist, not matter how otherwise repulsive the woman is. Making tranny jokes about Ann Coulter is not cool. It diminishes all women, everywhere. No one says “John McCain is probably pretty nasty naked.” It doesn’t even cross people’s minds.

Way 2) That her hotness is offered up some of her fans as a point in her favor in no way diminishes #1. She has not offered up her own hotness as a qualification for office, and no, her traditionally feminine appearance does not count as offering up her own hotness as a qualification for office.

Way 3) How the fuck would you know? Some women with five kids are kind of saggy or have stretch marks, and some show very little evidence of what their bodies have been through.

Way 4) Since when does a few stretchmarks make someone unfuckable? Most of the people old enough to find her hot probably have seen a few stretchmarks in their day. Most fathers find they somehow manage to maintain their erections with they have sex with the mothers of their children.

Way 5) Comments that imply that the mere act of carrying a baby to term and bearing it somehow ruin a woman and make her worthless are anti-feminist. Are you going to start talking about loose-goose pussy next?

In conclusion, fuck you.

Comment #55: chingona  on  10/08  at  10:59 PM

God, why hasn’t that woman been swallowed up by a black hole yet? Whenever she pops up in the news, I always remember this quote: “As Camille Paglia’s success has demonstrated, what is most marketable is absolutism and attitude undiluted by thought.” -Wendy Kaminer

Couldn’t have said it better myself…

Comment #56: Hypatia  on  10/08  at  11:16 PM

Sirkowski…...In conclusion, fuck you.


As the husband of a 37 year old mother of three under the age of 7, attorney and marathon runner,who would probably knock you out both mentally and physically, let me second that.

Comment #57: Dan  on  10/08  at  11:31 PM

For all her glib raging against academia, she’s the ultimate stereotype of a pretentious ivory tower intellectual whose ideas have nothing to do with reality.

Hmm - this is how conservatives describe most liberal thinkers, especially feminists.

I might have to actually read Paglia and use my own judgement as to how much of the criticism is justified and how much tribal snarking.

But not this week, thank God, not this week.

Comment #58: Phoenician in a time of Romans  on  10/09  at  12:30 AM

My god. She makes me kind of sick to look at her. It was terribly, terribly prejudiced of McCain to pick her. Women = giggling pod people. Men = driven by the little head, not the big one.
Uggh, she reminds me of that snotty, stupid little bitch from high school that everyone hated, but who was still prom queen.
And she seriously pisses me off. The whole rape thing? She’s un-describily revolting. She’ll undo every iota of feminist gains in the last several decades.

Comment #59: Scribble  on  10/09  at  02:13 AM

Chingona, you just made my entire day, especially with Ways 4 & 5. Thank you for having the patience to break that down for everyone.

Comment #60: Eva  on  10/09  at  02:49 AM

I was reading a Molly Ivins piece on Paglia yesterday and she completely nailed it. Paglia has made a career out of dressing up false dichotomies, emotional appeals and sweeping generalities in fancy clothing. Her commentary is - to borrow from a movie critic who’s name I’ve forgotten - like a Faberge egg - elaborate ornamentation around an empty space.

Comment #61: Farren  on  10/09  at  04:51 AM

I might have to actually read Paglia and use my own judgement as to how much of the criticism is justified and how much tribal snarking.

PIOTR

There may be some of that. She’s really a piece of work though.

For me, there’s even an added element. At one time I though that Paglia had something to say, something to add. I read most of her book Sexual Personae. I started thinking about what she was saying, thought about how to apply it to my life. Eventually I realized that she basically had no ideas, nothing that I could really apply. She just had attitudes. I realized that the thought I had put into the situation was a waste of time. I felt cheated, still do a little bit.

Comment #62: atheist  on  10/09  at  07:25 AM

Agreed on the rape issue in particular, Amanda. I genuinely get the sense that Paglia thinks that rape victims are contemptible idiots who’ve “mishandled the masculine life force” or “toyed with Dionysian fervour” or whatever. Paglia’s crush on Palin makes even more sense, in that light. There’s a mile-wide misogyny streak in pretty much all of Paglia’s writings, and it ties in nicely with Palin’s own anti-woman politics. On a basic level, I also get the sense that Paglia, for most of her career, just wants to suck up to the most popular kid at the cool table, regardless of whether or not said kid is actually a huge jerk. She mistakes charisma for integrity, and that’s both scary and sad.

Comment #63: Natalia  on  10/09  at  09:18 AM

HeyTitor Troll:
  Afer that edited, uhm, hatcheted video, try reading this.  Looks like Freddie and Fannie on a resume lead right to McShameful’s campaign offices.

Comment #64: phylosopher  on  10/09  at  02:45 PM

Way 1) Judging any woman in public life by how hot or not hot she is anti-feminist, not matter how otherwise repulsive the woman is. Making tranny jokes about Ann Coulter is not cool. It diminishes all women, everywhere. No one says “John McCain is probably pretty nasty naked.” It doesn’t even cross people’s minds.

Well Thanks Chingona, you just put a picture of a naked John McCain in my head-  EYEUW! And now I keep replaying that scene from SATC where Samantha is dating the really old guy and then he gets out of bed and she gets a view of his ass, and the line is “he had everything, money, all the right moves… and an old guy’s ass” -and Samantha runs out of his penthouse.

Comment #65: phylosopher  on  10/09  at  02:57 PM

No one says “John McCain is probably pretty nasty naked.”

Speak for yourself.

Comment #66: lonespark  on  10/09  at  03:18 PM

The attacks on John Edwards because of his appearance, the constant harping on his hair and the way he dressed were just as superficial and irrelevant as the attention being given Palin.  His appearance was being used by his enemies to prove that he was somewhat feminine, (The Breck Girl), and an elitist rich boy, (the $400 haircut).  The right was trying to obscure Edwards message.

I don’t think anyone believed that the way he looked qualified him for the office of President, they were trying to use it as a reason why he wasn’t qualified.

The opposite seems to be true with Palin.

Because that is how it works for conservatives - the most important thing a woman can be is hot - really it’s the only important thing in their minds - but a man is not allowed to be hot because he might provoke homosexual impulses in conservative men.

Propping up sexual double-standards is de rigueur for all conservatives everywhere - from Taliban tents to Fox News studios.

Comment #67: Nancy  on  10/09  at  09:21 PM

that viper, Katie Couric


OK, this is the point where Paglia drops character, as they say in Teh Theatah. 

It’s also the point where she reveals herself, again, to be an unserious, ignorant, lazy Useful Idiot for the Right. 

Katie Couric, a viper?  Not on any planet I know.  Katie got to interview Palin precisely because she’s NOT a viper.  And even when trying to be as gentle as she possibly could with Sarah Half A Deck, she still managed to inadvertently bruise the poor delicate little flower.

Because, no, you don’t get to be a “liberal contrarian” and describe Couric as a “viper”.

She’s not a “liberal contrarian”.  She’s a frickin’ Aunt Tom, the Uncle Ruckus of the distaff.  She figured out decades ago that the sugar daddies of the right would pay good money to have a woman younger and hipper than Phyllis Schlafly be a collaborationist against her own gender.  All she had to do was reinforce their own bigotries, no actual scholarship needed.

Comment #68: Phoenix Woman  on  10/10  at  04:04 PM
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