Nice ownage.

“There are no parades for divorce!”

Perhaps we should have some then! I would have loved to have asked her about mixed fibers, or eating shrimp, or the passage in the bible that supports slavery.

Oh, they still support slavery. That’s why they resent presidential candidates like Bill Clinton and Obama. These dudes fought their way up from nowhere and proved that it really is true that if you study hard someday you may become president. They’d rather think their wage drone status is God annointed and that only their God-annointed rich-daddy superiors should rule over them. I’m something of a wage drone, and I blame no one but myself. I do not resent those who “get above their raisin’”.

BTW, have your prode parade at night and their will be less trouble. Houston has a huge nighttime parade, probably bigger than all NC parades combined, in the dark. There’s a huge disco ball above Westeimer and Waugh illuminated by searchlights. Very few counter demostraters.

The hypocrite can’t handle it!

Does divine wrath smell like pepperoni?

Besides, according to her religion, everyone deserves hell. Because gawd hates people having morals and ethics(knowledge of good and evil sure sounds like morality).

It is really remarkable that a person can hold a sign (er, uh, a pizza box) that says “You deserve hell” at the same time as she says, “Jesus loves you, I love you.” How do people do that? What kind of mental gymnastics do you have to do to hold both those messages in your mind at one time?

(Unless of course you’re just stating basic Christian theology, which is that everyone deserves hell, but in that case, there is no reason to hold up a sign that says so to a specific group of people and not to others.)

I also like the shouts of “Obama supports abortion!” Yep, that’s why I’m voting for him.

“You’ll never have grandchildren.” God, I hope not!

She’s still young.  Maybe she’ll look back at this video someday and have regrets.  One hopes.

Perhaps she was just picking up an order at North Carolina’s famous You Deserve Hell Pizzaria & Microbrewery.

I remember Guy Fieri giving the place a very positive review on “Diners, Drive-Ins and Dives.”

I like the “Virginity Rocks” t-shirt.

Per UltraMagnus’ comment

You have a lot of shellfish and shrimp establishments in America; especially down south as I understand it. If they don’t picket places that actually cater to and encourage this ‘Abomination’ then why not? I’ve never seen a scale of abomination that shows homosexuality at the top.
Now I know that logical consistency isn’t a strong point of these folk but I’d like to press the point to see if they realise their obsession with the sexual lives of others.

I would have loved to have asked her about mixed fibers, or eating shrimp . . .

Why is this person not picketing her local Red Lobster?

Molly

Snap

Leviticus 11:9-11:

These shall ye eat of all that are in the waters: whatsoever hath fins and scales in the waters, in the seas, and in the rivers, them shall ye eat.

And all that have not fins and scales in the seas, and in the rivers, of all that move in the waters, and of any living thing which is in the waters, they shall be an abomination unto you.

They shall be even an abomination unto you; ye shall not eat of their flesh, but ye shall have their carcases in abomination.

Nice pwnage.

It’s kind of wierd, to me, how the black sign holders look serious & stoic, whereas that girl, especially in the still photo, looks like she’s having a breakdown of some kind.

“It is really remarkable that a person can hold a sign (er, uh, a pizza box) that says “You deserve hell” at the same time as she says, “Jesus loves you, I love you.” How do people do that? What kind of mental gymnastics do you have to do to hold both those messages in your mind at one time?”—-Lauren O

That’s not remarkable, that’s just good old-fashioned doublethink.  Orwell probably didn’t have religious fundnuts or Rightwing Authoritarian Cultists in mind when he coined the term, but what he described wasn’t new then and is hardly new now.  I would say it’s all too common.

The human mind can be (ironically) remarkably flexible when the rigidity of one’s beliefs require it…

...unfortunately…
MikeEss on 09/28 at 09:50 AM

Actually Mike, it goes deeper, into territory Orwell also touched on—why sex was “sexcrime” in Oceania. People didn’t just “love” Big Brother because they knew that better be what the Thought Police overheard them say if they knew what was good for them. The goal of the Thought Police was to make sure that people, Outer Party members especially, and most especially those slated for execution like Smith at the end, really loved Big Brother. 

As abusive types throughout the millennia have known, it is entirely possible to be so abusive and frightening that one’s victims have no choice but to “love” rather than overtly hate. It is a twisted sort of love, but the point of a dominator society is to redefine love so that this sort of awed submission is the only kind recognized. The notion of the free admiration of an equal, neither beholden to the other but both helping the other out of positive respect, is supressed in favor of the hierachial dimension, with potential coercion going down one way along with condescension for a properly tamed creature, and abject helplessness and gratitude for restraint in chastisement going up.

Toward creating this psychological structure in dynamic tension it is necessary to create an underlying network of fears and perceived dangers. Hence in Oceania, the “Victorian” attitudes toward sex, along with a great many other material miseries. Hence in Fundyland, the notion that we are all miserable sinners, worthy of the flames of hell, and yet—here’s the Good News—the very same Architect of this full of fail Cosmos who so made us as to surely burn forever will nevertheless save us if we only Love Him in return.

I’m afraid, Lauren, the psychology of it doesn’t seem strange to me at all. If it does to you, I can only admire how you have managed to grow up anywhere in this society without being put through the wringer of pain, terror, fear, and guilt trips i assume are all too usual.

“Perhaps she was just picking up an order at North Carolina’s famous You Deserve Hell Pizzaria”

In the unlikely event that I ever open a pizza place, i’m stealing that name

In response to Mark Foxwell

Wow. So Christianity is a form of Stockholm syndrome.

Poor brainwashed kid. So unaware of the disconnect of her sign and what she thinks she’s saying. (ie. going “You deserve hell” with the sign, but then telling people that she doesn’t want them to go there.)

If it’s any comfort, I used to be in the homophobic religious camp as a kid (raised Mormon, doncha know) and over a period of time in my late teens came to the conclusion that Teh Ghey wasn’t as bad as all that.  And from there, my views were further modified by actual acquaintance with LGBT folk. So maybe that kid will see the light someday too. I kinda hope so, because her brain has got to be an unhappy place to live, so full of fear.

Well, not just Christianity. The whole conventional wisdom of our hierarchial societies of the past 5000 years or so is basically Stockholm syndrome. The idea that people should love their authorities, no matter how brutally they treat them, because they only do it to make us tough against the even worse Others out there, is the founding wisdom of civilization as we know it. Since I don’t believe this “wisdom” is rooted in fundamental human nature I suppose it is a product of a specific historical structure, but it is a very deeply rooted, fundamental structure. Christianity is merely one outgrowth of the basic logic.

I also think that since this stuff is not fundamental human nature, that people have always questioned it and glimpsed alternatives, and that subversion is also perennial. And evident in certain aspects of Christianity. Indeed the dominator structures have intertwined with their antithesis. It’s a mad, mad world.

Consider that bit of concern trolling by Jonathan Haidt that has been making the rounds of Left Blogtopia lately, in which he tells us that he, a former liberal and moral relativist, has had revealed to him that right-wingers do indeed have a superior moral compass to which he was formerly blinded by his sheer ignorance of the fundamentals of conservative thought. Whether this can be true of himself or not I don’t know, but I flat deny that most of us grew up unexposed to reactionary conventional wisdom and unmoved by the fear he has so recently been enlightened by, that the whole fabric of society will just disintegrate if we aren’t all kept in awe of a whole bunch of irrational taboos and in reverence of our betters. I think the vast majority of us progressives know all about this stuff and we have actually outgrown it. But it remains conventional wisdom that guides all too many of our policy decisions to this day.

This woman in North Carolina is an expression of how deep it runs. I don’t watch internet video because of the rickety nature of my equipment and connections, and because as a severely hearing-impaired person I despair of getting all the words and tonal nuances without the benefit of captioning, so I could be quite wrong here, but I suspect she is deeply sincere. She loathes queer behavior, but she also loathes herself. We are all sinners in the hands of an angry God, I can easily see how she would sincerely believe that, and she wants to save the people she confronts just as she has been saved; indeed I suspect she feels like someone trying to persuade a fellow airplane crash victim pinned down by burning wreckage to take her hand and let her pull them out, never mind if it snaps their spinal cord, because the whole plane is liable to blow up any second—and if it does and she is still there braced against the outside instead of running for her life, she goes with it. But she feels very good despite the danger because she is doing the right thing, for her benighted and fearful neighbor. And if that really were the situation, we would have no trouble understanding both sides of her dilemma.

As progressives, we don’t believe that everything the reactionaries say is a soul-destroying disaster poised on the very edge of final Armageddon is actually that; we see her as delusional.  But I certainly would agree with her that there is a plane wreck and victims to be saved somewhere; she’s just displacing their location. Perhaps some of us really don’t have that sense of emergency, and perhaps I have it only as a hangover from my apocalyptic conditioning which perhaps is not as pervasive as I think. But my perception is, the dominator society has indeed shaped the world in its own Manichean image; the creation of objective horror is part of how it works—which is one very good reason to want to transcend it; the finite planet we live on can’t take much more of the exponentially increasing potential we have to act out this social psychodrama. Not to mention that it just hurts.

Having not seen the video she might be another sort of wingnut entirely, the modern kind of the Ann Coulter persuasion who really don’t give a damn and are just cynically parroting this stuff because it works and gets them gigs. But I doubt she’d be on the front lines if she were. She probably means what she says, God help her.

It’s a sad, sad world. And the saddest thing is, it could be so much better if we’d just take our deluded hands out of the flames we hold them in to prove our worthiness…

I’m afraid, Lauren, the psychology of it doesn’t seem strange to me at all. If it does to you, I can only admire how you have managed to grow up anywhere in this society without being put through the wringer of pain, terror, fear, and guilt trips i assume are all too usual.

I’m still a youngun, there is plenty of time for my cynicism and disillusionment cortexes to overload! =)

It’s really amazing that people like this have nothing better to do with their time.  Life is short, dimwits, go out and enjoy it.

Mark, that’s such a sadly beautiful comment.

You assume this life is to live and enjoy.  She’s been lead, like other fundies, to believe this life is just a test to determine your worthiness to move on up to the next life.  So not only is it okay to not enjoy this life, you’re probably a sinner if you do.

Ya know, you all may think that young woman is an idiot, and if you do I agree with you, but I sometimes find the attitude of, “don’t these protesters have better things to do” a bit off-putting. That young woman is protesting against something that in her mind is wrong. Her message is insulting and makes no real sense. She looks a bit crazy. But I don’t know that you can therefore conclude that she truly considers this world to be worthless.

However, I was born and raised a fundamentalist and I can speak from personal experience that all too many feel this life is just the interview for the next life.

Fair enough. I don’t have much contact with those folks, so maybe I just don’t know ‘em.

Gee, I’d hate for that Haidt dude to be actually right about something, like his notion that liberals just haven’t heard the Good News of conservative thinking. Here I’ve been assuming that after all, event those of us who weren’t actually raised in religiously or otherwise reactionary households have at least been living in a society I perceive as warped completely around their shibboleths. And that the reason we don’t honor them or honor them in our way is that we have actively rejected conventional wisdom, not that we just haven’t been exposed to it.

There are completely atheistic versions of the dominator paradigm among our reactionaries after all. A lot of the ideology of mainstream economics, for instance, stresses the superior value of goods and an expanded economy in the future versus the self-indulgence of consuming present wealth. It is of course just common sense that one must invest both work and some of the stuff prior work has created into future consumption instead of eating it all up here and now, but these economists make a big quasi-religious thing of it. Was Henry Kissinger, for instance, being religious when he characterized large segments of the US population—and he wasn’t talking about stockholders here—as “useless eaters?” I believe he was speaking in secular terms—but irrational ones, dominator-oriented ones. Then there was Herman Kahn, Mr “Thinking About the Unthinkable,” high priest of “rationalized” thermonuclear war and source, with little paraphrasing, of many of Dr. Strangelove’s most outrageous lines, including the one about the revival of the work ethic in the aftermath of global devastation.

Insofar as religiousity is dysfunctional I believe that is mainly because of the dominator paradigm elements in it; religion also tends to embed challenges to this paradigm. (Which may or may not themselves be sane on their own merits, to be sure).

I’m just saying you don’t have to be a religious wingnut to be a wingnut, although they do tend to find God—very convenient. You don’t have to have gone to Sunday school; you can also study for instance mainstream political science or economics, or just live in the society pretty much run under those rubrics

I’d just like to say that whoever designed the NC Pride logo did a great job. I think it’s fabulous (and I’m straight)!

The young woman with the pizza box really saddens me. She’s another reminder of the ‘garbage-in, garbage-out’ behavior that any sort of religious fundamentalism fosters and thrives on.

But she is so cute!!!  I really want to let her have her way with me.  In a Biblical sense, I mean.

Wow. That’s a lot of fun-challenged people. Religion is silly, isn’t it? Fancy being so sure you know what an invisible, allegedly unknowable sky pixie wants other people to do that you’re willing to spend hours of your weekend haranguing gay people in car parks!

I love the specific irony of using a pizza box as a signboard to preach Leviticus. More than half the pizzas I have eaten have included both milk products (cheese) and meat (sausage, pepperoni, Canadian bacon, etc.), a combination that was forbidden by Old Testament dietary law.

YOU DESERVE PIZZA