What a great catch!

“Maybe you have passive-aggressive personality disorder”.

I bet he got a paper cut from his last girlfriend…

I’m . . . speechless.

Wow. Call me naive, but I honestly didn’t know men like this existed. Eww.

That is classic.

“Here’s all of the things that must be wrong with you because you didn’t return my first message telling you how AWESOME I am.”

The Wikipedia page only contains the tip of the iceberg on how mentally unstable and potentially dangerous this guy is. He’s been committed for psychiatric evaluation at least twice and one psychiatrist said there is something “seriously wrong” with him. When he was in the Canadian Armed Forces, he tried to enter the room of a female officer without her permission. She complained and when authorities searched his room, they found a can of mace, several knives, two empty smoke grenade cans and an electronic stun gun. He has a serious psychopathy and has come to the mistaken conclusion that he can turn his control issues/sexual deviances in the direction of women and have it be successful.

“ That doesn’t stop him from fashioning himself a seducer extraordinaire and a stalwart defender of the male half of the species against the evil of <strike>feminism</strike> the female sex.”

I think that’s what they’re really getting at, with all their whining and screeching.

Falls outside even the most elastic-ironic sense of “nice guy”. He’s just a head-gaming douchebag.

what

‘“A man’s ‘basic operating system’ is composed of ‘rapist’ and ‘murderer’ programs which have been hard-wired into his brain.

“If there were no laws within society, the man would be constantly jumping women on the street.” ‘

Not one of those “biological hardwiring theories” again…the POS has no respect for either men or women.

Ew. EwewewewEW.

God, men like that creep me out.

I feel dirty and contaminated just from hearing this. I need go go shower in bleach or something.

hell i don’t need to be a shrink or even meet the guy to know something is seriously wrong with him. he’s a sociopath. i wanna slap the shit out of him while laughing my ass off at what a complete and utter moron he is.

I need go go shower in bleach or something.

Be sure to use a steel-wool luffa.

The sun article had a nice quote:

“Kermit, 34, who recently left the Lair to become a relationship guru, said it was frustrating being lumped into the same category as others.

“One of the good ways to find out if they’re legitimate or not is to find out what their story of pain is,” he said.”

This is, of course, the reason I take seduction courses strictly from Dr. Helen. Her method is quite simple and powerful. First, we watch Krazy Kat cartoons. Then, Dr. Helen demonstrates that Atlas Shrugged is, indeed, as big as a brick. Then we practice Ignatz’s “beaning” technique on Liberal Feminazis and bringing them to heel. Every one of us, excuse me, I have to blow my nose, all the guys, we all… have… st-st-st-stories of pain! After we successfully target these intelligent women, we tell them many interesting terms to look up as we show them how good we are in bed. Often this demonstration is best done alone, with the female watching, as female interference sometimes screws up the gameplan.  We drop sophisticated terms like avoirdupois,  feedback, and Vulcan handsign, and encourage googling these terms, so later on, we can make sophisticate chatter.

My god…I couldn’t even make it through half the message.  Where do you guys find these people, and why do you keep inflicting them on us?

What’s an MRA again?

I heard this sometime back, then read elsewhere that it was a gag that some guy did to play on a radio program.  Maybe not…

Be sure to use a steel-wool luffa.

Surely you mean a steel-wool falafel.

Surely you mean a steel-wool falafel.

“Women approach me 6 or 7 times a day…”

Notice how he gets tentative and breathy there for a few seconds until moving on to his target’s “elegant” qualities? Suggests to me he actually gets approached no more than 3 to 4 times a day…

Notorious Pat, MRA = men’s rights activist

How much of an overlap do the PUA and MRA circles actually have? It seems like the perfect scam: PUAs get their money before they get in a relationship, MRAs get it after.

Now who fleeces them *during*?

Well, I could only listen to about 15 seconds of that message, but I followed the links and now I know way, way more about the “seduction community” (how’s that for an oxymoron?) than I ever would have dreamed. Thanks once again Amanda for giving me a window into a world I had no idea existed. People actually don’t have anything better to do than go out and try out these techniques?

>>People actually don’t have anything better to do than go out and try out these techniques?

I had never really understood the concept of objectification until I saw the PUA community. They really think ‘push button, get sex’ is a valid relationship model. (Presumably, the next step when the ‘machine’ does not give you what you wanted even though you pushed the button is to hit it a bit.)

That was hilarious until I followed the links and read up on the guy. Then it became very, very disturbing.

Whoopsy. The Wikipedia article title has an apostrophe in it which is making the link screwy.

felagund, the PUA community is wretched and misogynist, but it’s not entirely without redeeming features. An excellent overview is provided in a thesis by a scholar named Elana Clift, which is extensively discussed here.

Let me be clear, I am absolutely not defending this Dimitri jackhole.

People actually don’t have anything better to do than go out and try out these techniques?

All I can say to this is*, it is excruciatingly hard for most men to get a woman interested in him. 

*as someone who has not, and will not, buy a “how to get women” course

I hope Olga changed her phone number.

Now who fleeces them *during*?

Eeeeeevul women, obviously.

If it didn’t mean supporting him financially, I would totally take that guy’s class

Oh man, this is seriously the creepiest set of voicemails I’ve ever heard. Is it possible to get a restraining order based on a voicemail? Because I’d be asking for one.

It’s really depressing that some men seriously think of women as non-sentient machines, where a given action by the man either results in sex or proves the woman is in some way defective (she didn’t fall for the stupid line delivered in a monotone stutter - must be something wrong with her.  It can’t be that she’s been hit on since puberty and has long since learned how to spot jerks, can it?)

Oh man, I heard this a couple weeks ago onHot Chicks With Douchebags of all places, which has its problems, but did call this psycho “the scrotiest pickup artist assbag this side of Mystery”, which is saying… well, something.

What a doofus!  I wouldn’t even have called this retard when I was a naive 12 year-old.

I love when he says “he’s a great catch and has just been single for a couple of months.  And he got out of a long-DISTANCE relationship”  - yeah, some stoopid woman was his prison pen pal.

This is hilarious!

Sadly, most women actually enjoy being treated like this to a greater or lessor extent and find men who behave in such a fashion practically irresistible.

Sadly, most women actually enjoy being treated like this to a greater or lessor extent and find men who behave in such a fashion practically irresistible.

Well, obviously. Nothing gets me hotter than the idea of being stabbed in the face on a date.

Seriously, hasn’t your brain shorted out yet?

“Most women actually enjoy being treated like this”?

I don’t think so. The proof is in this thread, or haven’t you actually read any of it?

Not to mention your assertion being a gratuitous, baseless, sexist insult that does not belong on this blog.

(Sorry, Amanda, don’t mean to be presumptuous)

That was simultaneously embarrassing and creepy.  Then, I read the link Brandy provided.  This guy gives me a “it puts the lotion in the basket!” vibe.  That can’t be good.

Confirmed sociopaths aside, these PUA assholes are like weight-loss hucksters, aren’t they?  They prey on desperate people’s insecurities to make a buck, and sometimes leave their “customers” much worse off, but certainly not better than before.

The FUCK?

Invite him to an unforgettable evening at an abandoned warehouse and blow it up.

Then flush the place down with red fuming nitric acid. We can’t let a strand of his DNA survive.

Actually, he’s pathetic, but he could be dangerous too.  He thinks he’s on the prowl, so this is as close to attractive or even human as he gets. Seriously, be careful, if you don’t mind my saying so.

p.s., Milo, I love you. Paper cut ftw.

While the general background is, of course, creepy and depressing, what I found hillarious was the way he chose his words- “In any event, I thought I better leave you a more detailed message and explain why I approached you -  You looked very taken aback by my approach - I just wanted to formally introduce myself - if I do not receive a phone call back from you”

I wonder wether, if she had gotten into him, he would have asked her to fill out get-picked-up application form XQOZR/17 and hand it in at his office.

p.s., if it really is Sears he’s a known dangerous person. If it isn’t he’s an unknown possibly dangerous person. One of Sears’s students or a guy who liked Magnolia? Or just a guy browsing the web and trying his luck? Put me down 10 more times for kill him now, while avoiding him.

The only times I have left that long of a message was when a boyfriend and I were fighting and I was trying to explain my shit to him.  You just don’t do that with a total stranger.

http://www.ctv.ca/archives/CTVNews/img2/200505/160_james_sears_050503.jpg

My God, he is hideous from what I can see here.

Genevieve—nice to see another northeast Ohioan on here, from your link—Shaenon is the only other one here I can think of off the top of my head but she’s not in the area anymore.

The takehome message for guys reading this:

1.  This person is a creepy extreme example, but chances are all of us have had to deal with men like this, if (if we’re lucky) not as physically dangerous.

2.  The only reason this kind of behaviour actually generates attention from women is that we’re so brainwashed to ‘be nice’ and give all men the benefit of the doubt.

3.  Given the very real risks involved, it would be unfair of you to be critical or offended if we’re wary of men we don’t know, and if we sometimes guess wrong about the safety of pursuing a relationship with a strange man (i.e. you).

Olga: Call. The. Cops.

I’m gobsmacked that he thinks this aggressive approach will get him anywhere.  Seriously, his first phone call was bad enough, but the second is just… creepy.  Accusations of game playing, getting tough, 3pm deadlines, accusations of mental issues?  WTF? I think its quite obvious who has the mental issues here, and it ain’t Olga.

Oh, man… this guy gave me flashbacks about an ex-roommate I had.  Very sexually obsessed, and always ALWAYS talking about his god-like sexual prowess and his failproof skill in picking up women.

Now, his ‘prowess’ invariably involved his abuse of Cavaject that he purchased while in Costa Rica that essentially induced priapism so that he could ‘keep going all night’.  Likewise, I don’t know of a single female friend he didn’t creep out with his inability to pick up on social cues that indicated a total lack of interest.  See, the problem was that as persistant as he was, he lost three front teeth while in prison on an assault charge.  He also had a receding hairline at 22 years old, and by receding, I’m nicely saying the guy’s hair was running from his face.

He did work out a bit, and eventually attracted a much older woman who takes good care of him now… but he lacked respect for personal space sometimes and doubted me when I told him that Lesbians are not just women that have just not met him yet.  Of course, he respected my personal space once I showed my personal armaments.

But these guys are out there, and they really do think that God forged them from pure Sextonium-239 to convert lesbians and sex whoever whenever.

Woman gets hit on in bar by dude.  Thinks he seems okay and gives him her card.  He calls.  He leaves a message and she presumably realizes that the best route is to pretend like she never met him.

Oh, that’s always the best option. So much more polite and unambiguous than just calling back and saying “sorry, I don’t want to go on a date”.
Actually, it’s a good approach in business life, as well. Just don’t bother returning calls you don’t feel like returning. The caller will use their telepathic powers to figure out what you meant.

Ajay- Someone doesn’t call you for a week, do you really still think they’re interested? He put the ball in her court, she made no actions, he should know that means nothing is happening.

The seduction community? Holy shit.

I’ve dated women who were probably mentally ill, but I’d never implied that they were while pursuing a relationship (or even just a quick fuck.)  Or even after, unless it came up in a conversation about mental illness.  I don’t know who made that dork a psychiatric evaluator.  I also don’t know what steps there have to be between the sane belief that 99.98% of women don’t actually have an overwhelming need for sex with me and the insane belief that women are coming on to me all the time and I need to be very selective and pursue the elegant ones, but only those elegant ones who completely fall for me and prove their worthlessness by submitting to my every whim, such as an arbitrary workday deadline.  If I had to attack others for worthlessness, I think there would probably be this psychological phenomenon known as “Projection” going on.  And I have a strange feeling that others would figure it out.

I’ve done some boneheaded things in my day, but I’m self-aware enough to not be that stupidly obvious and obviously stupid on a regular basis, much less make it a lifestyle choice.  Last time I was that full of myself, I spent many weeks kicking myself for being so stupid (and drunk.)  Ego (and too much beer and tequila) is definitely the enemy of relationship hunters, which is definitely not to say people should follow their id.

There’s something very sad about people desperately pursuing something they actually think is worthless.  Pickup artistes (the superfluous “e” is intentional, just like doofus’ mention of his Greek heritage) really can’t like women much if that’s the way they act.  Do closeted not-in-any-way-gay men’s postings on gay hookup sites have similar levels of crazy, or do they only reveal their true feelings after fucking the lonely gay man who was stupid enough to answer their call and be gay?  I have a feeling I don’t want to know the answer.

Amanda, I don’t know how you couldn’t mention the fact that he’s working on a book called “Mein Kock”.  If anything says period-end-of-story about this guy, it’s that.

All I can say to this is*, it is excruciatingly hard for most men to get a woman interested in him.

As a woman I’ve found it excruciatingly hard to find noncreepy men to be interested in.
Dating is hard work.  Like thrift shopping.  There is the potential for an incredible find that you’re always glad you had the luck to notice, but you have to be willing to sort through all the rest of the discards on the rack.

@ Ajay—

Not to mention, in a situation like this, it’s best not to give the guy any contact.  If she called him to say she wasn’t interested, he wouldn’t hear the “I’m not interested” part.  He would just note that she called figure he had to work harder.  Stalkers work this way.  Any contact you give them only makes them more determined to continue to make contact. 

If you’ve never been called by some creep you mistakenly gave a working number to, I suggest you keep your second-guessing of Olga to yourself.  She’s perfectly within her rights to not call jagoff back, and it in no way gives him the right to then abuse her in a second phone call.  I mean, seriously.  His tone was threatening in the second phone call.  I got goose bumps.  It was disturbing.

Sadly, most women actually enjoy being treated like this to a greater or lesser extent and find men who behave in such a fashion practically irresistible.

JewLover, no self-resepecting woman I know, including myself, would ever consign to be treated in this fashion. And by ‘sadly’ you mean ‘fortunately’, correct? Perhaps you are student of his and are here to defend your Fearless Leader?

And if my boyfriend ever said one sentence to me that resembled the attitude Herr SoftKock the Smarmy has adopted, I’d throw him through a window to show him just how much I loved what he said.

It seems to me that there’s money to be made in this “seduction community.”  All you need to do is assume a ridiculous fake name (Dimitri the Lover, Mystery, Style), have absurd ideas of what looks fashionable and attractive, and dispense really bad advice to desperate, lonely, sweaty-palmed men. 

So, from now on, my nom du fuck is Sparkles, and I wear a coonskin hat, monocle, and leopard-print parachute pants out to clubs.  Learn all sorts of strategies for sexing hot babes—like “say something stupid really, really assertively”—in my new course “Sexing Hot Babes, the Sparkles Way!” 

That’ll be $79.99.  Act now and receive a one-of-a-kind “I Am Really, Really Good At Sexing Hot Babes” T-shirt absolutely free.  You won’t even have to tell them yourself; it’s on the shirt!

I’m gonna be rich.

Sorry, Bradley.  Sparkles is already taken by the transvestite guy in hotpants and rollerblades.  I suggest Cummerbund, Le Patois, or Calgon as alternatives.

Not to mention, in a situation like this, it’s best not to give the guy any contact.  If she called him to say she wasn’t interested, he wouldn’t hear the “I’m not interested” part.  He would just note that she called figure he had to work harder.  Stalkers work this way.

Absolutely speedbudget. Any contact with a guy like that is a potential danger.

Also, if you do not understand that, when people don’t call you back, it’s because they don’t really want to talk to you, then you should grow up a bit. Really, it may sound cold but people seriously don’t owe you a reply. If they reply it’s because they want to. They actually don’t owe you shit. I had to learn that the hard way myself.

Though, it kinda seems to me that most “Nice Guys” are actually just awkward men who can’t get dates. I don’t get quite the same psycho vibe from all self-described “Nice Guys” as from this particular specimen.

I’m gonna start my own “seduction community” based on the principle that people will be attracted to you if you are an interesting person who finds other people interesting and treats them with respect. Think it’ll work?

I hope Olga changed her phone number.
Todd on 07/22 at 11:52 PM

I hope Olga makes money suing him.

I’m gonna start my own “seduction community” based on the principle that people will be attracted to you if you are an interesting person who finds other people interesting and treats them with respect. Think it’ll work?
PhysioProf on 07/23 at 09:44 AM
Sadly, there’s probably more money in Bradley’s idea.

While listening to those messages, I had a vision:  a website called “LOL PUA”.  You could have a picture of Dmitri on his cellphone, leaving a message for an “elegant woman” with “UR DOIN IT WRONG” at the bottom.

Just wanting to “ditto” the advice to never call a guy like this back.  Even to say “No.”

A guy like this has “stalker” written all over him and the best thing you can do is deny him all contact.

*********

Isn’t it funny though, how what any sane person should be able to see as the safest and most logical course of action gets so quickly painted (by a guy, I’m assuming?) as an example of women being bitchy/irrational/emotional/cold-hearted?

On behalf of all Torontonians everywhere, living and dead, I formally apologize for the existence and conduct of this douche.

Guys like this make otherwise sane women wonder if they should be carrying a gun.  (Remember kids, squeeze and don’t jerk the trigger!  We don’t want that important first shot going high, do we??)

I blame Warner Brothers.  Most men learned seduction techniques from watching Pepe LePew. 

No, seriously, LePew isn’t this creepy.

Egads. Listening to this is painful.

It does have the Lundberg “I’m going to need you to come in on Saturday” feel to it. 

I am having flashbacks of my own awkward ramblings in college.  Eventually I learned just to leave your *name* and *number*.

I often mute things on television and put on close captioning in order to tolerate right wing media and known liars..

I transcribed the first minute… He sounds like many technical recruiters I’ve dealt with or the standard “sales-doosh”...

Hello, this is Dimitry. Sorry I had to leave such a rushed message with you

Uh when we uh met the other day. I just wanna quickly give ya my phone number and I had to get the heck out of the area.  In any event I figure I’d better give you a more detailed message. I am single. I have no trouble meeting women.  I mean women approach me six, seven times a day…but I’m very particular about what I like.  You’re extremely elegant. I couldn’t take my eyes off of you and your friends were very jealous even if they say they weren’t. They were envious of the fact that uh I approached you and I was very taken by you.  Elegent women are very rare. I’m greedy (uncertain of this word) and very particular about what I *like*.  So I’m giving you an opportunity here. I don’t know if you picked up the message from the weekend.  But I’m working on a movie script so I’m pretty much around all weekend doing that.

I left you my number (omitted).

Not so much a “Nice Guy” as a complete psychopath giving his variation of the aggrieved and whingey “Nice Guy” spiel.

The good news is, obvious creeps like this make a chump like myself look a lot better to the truly elegant (“did I mention you were elegant? Really elegant! Like Greek-quality elegant. Elegantelegantelegant”) and smart women.

“But if you’re psychologically normal…”

Like he would recognize that if it ran up and bit him in his manly Greek ass…

It’s a good thing that women are simply sexbots with a convoluted code which you need master in order to avail yourself of their services. It’s much easier to learn said code than to, say, improve yourself through hard work, study, diligence, and self-evaluation. You can learn The Secret for only X dollars and a few hours of time while being an interesting and worthwhile person to associate with takes years of effort.

I really enjoyed the part where he said, “Nobody gives out their number and then doesn’t return calls.”

That one had me busting up, because as a physician with even the most fundamental training in sociology, he should already know that women are conditioned from earliest childhood not to ignore men who show romantic interest in them, and that refusing to give contact information when asked for it is considered “rude” and will likely get the woman in question chased, threatened, or even battered if she doesn’t acquiesce and use the conclusion of the interaction as an opportunity to get away.

This happened to me not too long ago when a friend and I went out to a nightclub.  Some random guys approached my friend and started trying to talk to her, and when she just turned away, I remarked dryly, “She’s shy.”  The ringleader of the group got all butt-hurt and called after her, “That’s very rude,” to which I chuckled, “She doesn’t know you from Adam, what makes you think she owes you a response, especially with that stalkerish attitude?”  I gave him the look with the one arched eyebrow and he just backed away with his friends, since I was taller and leaner than him and we both knew I could have knocked him on his backside if the situation occasioned it. 

Returning to the point, however, there are just too many guys out there who have this entitlement attitude.  They honestly feel they are entitled to the attention of the object of their affection, without any regard for her opinions.  That’s the very definition of objectification if you ask me.

Nothing says I’m a great catch better than saying “I’m a great catch”.

But seriously, people who actually are interesting, attractive, and desirable don’t need to talk themselves up.  They just go about their business and let other people notice their awesomeness, or not.

Let’s just hope Dmitri isn’t clever enough to do a reverse look-up on Olga’s phone number because I wouldn’t be surprised in the slightest if this guy showed on her doorstep some night with flowers in his hands and a switchblade in his pocket.  The barely controlled rage just seeps through his voice. 

Olga, put the chain on the door and take the safety off the gun.

the standard Nice Guys® argument: I’m a catch/Nice Guy.  If you don’t see it, it’s because you are fucked in the head and prefer to date inferior men to me.  All women are fucked in the head on this level, because I can’t get any attention.

That is what a “Nice Guy®” is, to you?

OK, I think I’m using the term in a differnent way, because that really is not nice. It’s more like a man’s belief in his own entitlement to women’s company, combined with anger at women for not sharing this belief. And yes, I have seen, and been really annoyed by, this belief on the part of some men.

By using the term, I meant, guys who actually are fairly nice, and want to hook up with women, but lack aptitude in meeting them. Either through shyness or awkwardness or ugliness or stupidity or whatever. Yes I’m aware that there is overlap between these groups.

I’ll find a different term to say what I mean, since that is the way it is used here.

They honestly feel they are entitled to the attention of the object of their affection, without any regard for her opinions.  That’s the very definition of objectification if you ask me.

Not to mention, the attitude can be destructive both to the object of their affections, and to the men themselves.

Also, Ajay, you are basically saying that business and romantic communications are the same. This is not true.

If you ignore your boss, yes you can be fired. If you ignore co-workers, you can degrade the effectiveness of your organization.

But in society, people have an absolute right to ignore anyone they don’t want to talk to. And even if they did not have this right, they’d totally do it anyway. Not only that, but ignoring the guy is probably Olga’s best first line of defense.

A lot of these guys would really be better off spending the money on prostitutes. Except that would, I guess, make it clear what the nature of the transaction is, rather than letting them kid themselves.

Yeah. Porn exists for a reason.

OK, I think I’m using the term in a differnent way, because that really is not nice.

That’s kind of the point of the trademarked term.

Nothing says I’m a great catch better than saying “I’m a great catch”.

That’s why I think it’s a good idea to get a T-shirt printed up to let people know.  “I’m an awesome lover.”  “Ask me about all of the articles I’ve read about cunnilingus.”  “I could probably go a second time, too, if you give me a half an hour and tell me how big I am and stuff like that.”  “There are over 150,000,000 women in the United States who have not had intercourse with me.  Don’t become a statistic.”  Because, you know, you gotta get the word out.  The only people who don’t rely on gimmicks and trickery to get sex are confident, well-adjusted adults.  And who wants to be that?

“There are over 150,000,000 women in the United States who have not had intercourse with me.  Don’t become a statistic.”

WIN

Thanks, atheist.  Frankly, I’d be kind of surprised if that sentiment isn’t on a T-shirt somewhere.  It just seems so obvious, like, in a Spencer’s Gifts kinda way…

“There are over 150,000,000 women in the United States who have not had intercourse with me.  Don’t become a statistic.”

OK, bad example. I’d totally want to at least talk to someone wearing that shirt.

I suppose I probably would wear that T-shirt, but be self-conscious that people seeing me in it wouldn’t realize I was wearing it ironically.  So I would only wear it at home, where the only woman who would see me in it would be my wife.

calvinhobbes—
Yep, glad to be representing the region.

Wow. Just…wow. I hope they have an effective method to get restraining orders in Canada.

“There are over 150,000,000 women in the United States who have not had intercourse with me.  Don’t become a statistic.”

LOL. Maybe I can get one of my lesbian friends to wear that.

I still remember a humorous term from when this topic popped up before…

Ginger said:
“So dead on. Because to the Nice Guy®, women are pussy vending machines! Give flowers, get pussy! Buy dinner, get pussy! Act like you’re listening when she needs a a friend to talk to, get pussy!”

...

I was recently looking up the whereabouts of the actors from Married With Children. I figured Grandmaster B (David Faustino) would be on skid row by now… He has become an active member of the “seduction community”...

Life imitating art.

It’s really depressing that some men seriously think of women as non-sentient machines, where a given action by the man either results in sex or proves the woman is in some way defective

It’s even deeper than that; he thinks of men that way too. 

Note the quote from the Toronto Star article where he claims men are hard-wired to be rapists and murderers and that civil laws are the only thing holding us back from doing both. 

Obviously, he thinks of himself that way at least and projects that onto everyone else.  He has no consideration of others, women or men, as individual people- just objects to be used and manipulated.  He’s a sociopath.

This guy is probably dangerous.  I have no doubt he would rape and kill if he thought he’d get away with it- his “hard-wired” comment reveals that he sees nothing morally wrong with either other than that they’re illegal.  I would be a bit surprised if he hasn’t actually committed rape already.

Some lads are only held back by the sure knowledge that their action will result in consequences.  These are not nice people and would turn to rape and pillage in a heartbeat, should civil society fall.

He is imitating what was so successful in high school.  All the 15 yo girls loved the lines and the obsession and the sheer craptitude of their ‘dates’.  It’s pretty hard to see girls pick scabrous losers over Nice Guys. 

No matter what your predilection, there is someone out in the blogoverse that shares your delight.  Search them out and, should you be consenting noninjurious adults, indulge.

“The good news is, obvious creeps like this make a chump like myself look a lot better to the truly elegant (“did I mention you were elegant? Really elegant! Like Greek-quality elegant. elegantelegantelegant”) and smart women.”

Yeah Gracchus, you and lesbianism.

So, from now on, my nom du fuck is Sparkles

Are you a graduate of the Handsome Boy Modelling School?

it kinda seems to me that most “Nice Guys” are actually just awkward men who can’t get dates.  By using the term, I meant, guys who actually are fairly nice, and want to hook up with women, but lack aptitude in meeting them. Either through shyness or awkwardness or ugliness or stupidity or whatever.

That’s been my observation as well.

He also had a receding hairline at 22 years old, and by receding, I’m nicely saying the guy’s hair was running from his face.

OMG!  LOL! !  What a loser! ! !  No woman should have to deal with that! ! !

As a woman I’ve found it excruciatingly hard to find noncreepy men to be interested in.

Not exactly the same.

Holy tentacled FSM.

Sadly, most women actually enjoy being treated like this to a greater or lessor extent and find men who behave in such a fashion practically irresistible.

You shouldn’t believe everything a douchebag whose meal ticket is promoting douchebaggery tells you about the advantages of douchebagging.

felagund: “seduction community” (how’s that for an oxymoron?)

If their community was mixed-gender, it might make for an OK swinger club.

Melanie: I’m gobsmacked that he thinks this aggressive approach will get him anywhere.

Not everyone knows not to feed the trolls. And those who do know sometimes still do it.

atheist: I’ll find a different term to say what I mean, since that is the way it is used here.

It’s the way it’s commonly used in feminist blogs, because that type is common enough to need a name, and there wasn’t a Linnean classification available. So they got the name they gave themselves. The capital letters and the (R) are a hint…

Are you a graduate of the Handsome Boy Modelling School?

You’re my new hero for catching that reference.  I thought I was the only one who remembered…

OMG!  Someone left this on my sister’s cell.  I think this is becoming an internet joke in Toronto!  Freaking hilarious! 
She was really upset. I think I better go text her so she can chill.

Also, Pandagon, you quoted the Sun?  I wouldn’t use that rag to wipe my butt.  It’s gotta be the worst paper in the city.