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A Reasonable Response To A Reasonable Bag Of Dicks

People of a certain blog-reading vintage will remember the good old days of Tom Maguire, proprietor of Just One Minute.  He (along with folks like “libertarian” Glenn Reynolds) was promoted as a “reasonable” conservative with whom efforts should be made to reach out; this open letter from Crooked Timber is indicative of the efforts of which Maguire was thought worthy.  I was never smitten with such love for him.  The more wrong he is, the more snide he gets - it’s like Protein Wisdom, but without the same desperate need to prove that his penis is the Nietzschean ubermensch.  Over the years, this has led to a few interactions in which Maguire uses his acceptance as a “reasonable” conservative to attempt to halt criticism of himself.  After all, if even such wild-eyed liberals as that one guy and someone else who writes for TNR think he’s reasonable, you must Che Guevara!

Anyway, turns out the dickbag is a birther, and wholly mystified as to why people think birthers are racist, calling such claims “absurd and inflammatory”.

As a paean to Maguire’s reasonableness, I wholly agree. Just because birthers have spent nearly two years debating over which type of nasty brown person he is doesn’t make them racist.  An obsession with the wrong term being used to describe his father’s race (the state of Hawaii would have only referred to Obama the Elder as “negroe”, because of FACTS) doesn’t make them racist.  That the underlying purpose of this conspiracy theory is designed to prove that Obama is a Kenyan Muslim could in no way make them racist or bigoted.  That birthers are wholeheartedly dedicated to the idea of Obama’s secret militant black Muslim nationalism has nothing to do with race, because they said the same thing about Dan Quayle or, as he was known in college, Rizq Massoud al Islam. 

It’s not so much that the question “Does Obama have a valid birth certificate?” is racist, it’s that it’s a gateway to saying every fucking racist thing in the world about the man without apology.  It was the same thing with the Pledge of Allegiance flap, the oath on the Qu’ran flap, the Jeremiah Wright flap, the “he’s not really all black” line, the “he’s actually Indonesian” line, and pretty much every conspiracy theory that’s been wrapped up into this birther insanity. 

By the way, does anyone know a black birther?  Even the biggest black sellouts in the conservative movement haven’t touched this with a ten foot pole.

 

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Posted by Jesse Taylor on 09:30 AM • (39) Comments

No one has matched Armstrong William’s asking price yet.  As soon as someone pays, he’s game!

Comment #1: Robert  on  07/27  at  10:01 AM

I was chagrined to find out that my sister, an orthopedic surgeon and generally intelligent woman, is a birther.

But then, I’ve always known she was a closet racist.  I just figured this particular rumor was so…stupid that she would see through it.

Comment #2: speedbudget  on  07/27  at  10:07 AM

I have seen Alan Keyes say that he doesn’t think the president was born in America. And he definitely meets your definition of the biggest black sellout.

One of their justifications for this is a fabricated story attributed to Obama’s step-grandmother saying she watched his birth in Africa. What I don’t get with these ignoramouses is if they don’t believe Obama, why are they willing to believe this story attributed to his step-grandmother? Isn’t she one of them (black, African, Muslim, etc.) too?

Comment #3: DC Fem  on  07/27  at  10:09 AM

And here I was about to send Tom Maguire a Hickory Farms gift basket.

Comment #4: norbizness  on  07/27  at  10:15 AM

Well, Paul Maguire of ESPN or NBC or whoever he’s with gets it now.

Comment #5: norbizness  on  07/27  at  10:16 AM

DC Fem,
Shhhh…she wasn’t in on the secret.  This birther thing is jaw droppingly stupid, and yet its fascinating, too.  Recently I was at the palace of Versailles listening to a description of the Queen’s formal bedroom where she was forced, for reasons of state, to give birth to all her children in public.  The other americans in the tour had a really hard time grasping the political significance of the act of birth—that is, that it wasn’t a private event when it involved public persons—and I found myself staring up at the ceiling and thinking “plus ca change…” of *course* public political anxieties about the whiteness of the body politic under a non-white president would eventually resolve themselves into a question of his birth and involve spooky, weird, arcane theories a la Puddin’head Wilson and the Prince and the Pauper.  In effect isn’t Obama being accused of being a changeling child, swapped in for the real, white, christian president the country should have given birth to?  There is nothing new under the sun. These myths have a lot of power.

aimai

Comment #6: aimai  on  07/27  at  10:17 AM

swapped in for the real, white, christian

But he IS Christian. I know you probably didn’t mean to bring out the implications of including Christian in that line, but just pointing it out for the stupider trolls who are going to go “AHA! SO HE *IS* MUSLIM!” or some shit.

Comment #7: Ben D.  on  07/27  at  10:24 AM

I’m currently trying to run off one of my Facebook friends who I suspect of birtherism. We were very good friends in college, but once he left school, he started hitting me with frequent three-hour-long phone calls every time he had a financial downturn and/or run-in with the cops and/or bump in his love life. He also revealed a streak of really freaky sexism—he seemed to believe in a literal universal conspiracy of women to ruin men’s lives.

We managed to lose each other’s phone numbers a few years back, but he friended me on Facebook recently. After I mentioned something about the Gates case on my status update, he had a full-blown freakout, announced that he’s enraged by Professor Gates’ racism, and admitted that he’s a freeper. And he’s been so entertaining and amusing, I’m suspecting that he’s got to be a birther, too—I can’t imagine that anyone who’s gotten so screwed-up over the years wouldn’t believe in the Evil Conspiracy to Deprive Honkeys of the Beloved White House…

Comment #8: Scott  on  07/27  at  10:26 AM

I love how a bunch of people on the right are making tremendous fools of themselves, making their party more and more marginalized in relation to minorities.  And I also love that the pundits on the right that aren’t calling this bullshit are instead asking why Obama just doesn’t finish off this issue once and for all.  That question shows two things: the intelligent right’s inability to quash the morons within and the intelligent right’s desire to have Obama do something fruitless.

Obama has no need to stop stupid people from believing bullshit.  It helps him politically to have Republican town hall meetings interrupted by morons with tiny US flags and birth certificates in freezer bags who can lead everyone in the Pledge.  It helps him politically to have a settled issue argued about in the opposition headquarters while he goes about his business.  Why have people disagree with you on policy when you can have them disagreeing with you on bullshit that is both damaging to opponents and clearly settled?  Obama is a smart man to not address this issue, the Republicans will have trouble with those morons for years to come, and the risk of letting racists rant about nonsense is bigger for the racists’ friends in politics than it is for Obama.  At least I hope so.

Comment #9: 3letterjon  on  07/27  at  10:35 AM

“I have seen Alan Keyes say that he doesn’t think the president was born in America.”

The thing you have to remember here is that Alan Keyes does not consider Hawaii part of America.

Comment #10: preying mantis  on  07/27  at  10:36 AM

Well, sometimes I wonder if Alan Keys was born on the planet Earth.

Comment #11: Ben D.  on  07/27  at  10:46 AM

When Obama’s chances first started to look good, I pointed out to Marc that his mixed-race parentage was going to turn into a point of obsession for the wingnuts.  I wasn’t sure what form it would take, but now we know.  Being a birther gives you endless opportunities to obsess over the fact that Obama’s got a white mother and a black father.

Comment #12: Amanda Marcotte  on  07/27  at  10:48 AM

Well, not you in the sense of anyone here.  I meant the obsessive, racist wingnuts.

Comment #13: Amanda Marcotte  on  07/27  at  10:48 AM

And I also love that the pundits on the right that aren’t calling this bullshit are instead asking why Obama just doesn’t finish off this issue once and for all.

I took this as proof that Obama is a very wise man indeed - he knows goddamn well that any amount of proof will not settle anything.

Wingnuts and birthers are having a racist paranoid fantasy - no quantity or quality of facts, logic, reason, certified documents, and lack of proof of the existance of sky fairies who like white people better won’t get in the way of that.

Comment #14: Ms Kate  on  07/27  at  10:50 AM

Being a birther gives you endless opportunities to obsess over the fact that Obama’s got a white mother and a black father.

I think the same could be said for the “is he ‘black enough’”? crap he got at the beginning of the campaign, too. Just from a different direction.

Comment #15: Ben D.  on  07/27  at  10:50 AM

Damnit,  y’all!

Alan Keyes should be President!  He was wrongfully denied Obama’s Senate seat by the voters of Illinois, and that’s the hot seat that propelled the individual in it to the Presidency.

Had Obama not been the Changeling Senator, he wouldn’t be the Changeling President, and Alan Keyes would be making the American Dream a Reality!

You see, if Obama isn’t American enough to be President, he wasn’t American enough to be Senator, and we have to retroactively install Alan Keyes into Burris’ seat.  It makes perfect sense!  Chewbacca!  fthagn Keyes!

Comment #16: Caren-Sun-blocking Creator of Animorphic Pancakes  on  07/27  at  11:07 AM

“Well, sometimes I wonder if Alan Keys was born on the planet Earth.”

Hey, now.  You don’t have to be an extraterrestrial to have ethical objections to and questions about the legality of the Newlands Resolution.

Comment #17: preying mantis  on  07/27  at  11:10 AM

from TPM “Inhofe: The Birthers ‘Have A Point’”

unfortunately he forgot to mention it’s on the top of their heads

Comment #18: preznit giv me turkee  on  07/27  at  11:33 AM

“Well, sometimes I wonder if Alan Keys was born on the planet Earth.”

Perhaps he is the black hole that formed when SunRa ascended.

Comment #19: Ms Kate  on  07/27  at  11:48 AM

from TPM “Inhofe: The Birthers ‘Have A Point’”

If it didn’t involve actual political power, the ongoing ¿Quién es mas estupido? competition between my two U.S. Senators would be pretty amusing.

For those keeping score at home, it’s worth noting that Tom Coburn beat Inhofe to the punch on this one and has already endorsed the birther bill.

Advantage: Dr. Wingnut

Comment #20: Ben Alpers  on  07/27  at  11:53 AM

“from TPM “Inhofe: The Birthers ‘Have A Point’”

unfortunately he forgot to mention it’s on the top of their heads”

Oh! so that why thier hoods are shaped that way

Comment #21: jefft452  on  07/27  at  12:02 PM

birth certificates in freezer bags

This is the unexamined detail in all of this. We shall know a True American by the absence of freezer burn on his papers!

Comment #22: benvolio  on  07/27  at  12:39 PM

aimai: I hadn’t really thought about the changeling myth, but now that you mention it, it’s pretty obvious. Pretty soon, the birthers will demand Obama reveal his true name, so they can steel his gold.

Comment #23: Keith  on  07/27  at  01:00 PM

Birthery is just the latest in a long series of right-wing memes that have come back to bite them.  One of the most damaging was “the PoW issue”, the idea that the North Vietnamese were horribly abusing American prisoners (a charge not entirely untrue, mind), which morphed after the war into the idea that thousands of PoWs were still being held by the victorious Vietnamese out of sheer Asiatic viciousness.  The PoW cult continued to embarrass the government, especially the Republicans, well into the 1990s, and you will still see the black and white flags assuring phantom PoWs that they are “not forgotten”.

I suppose the equivalent on the left would be the 1960s radical rhetoric that the Federal gov’t. was an illegitimate occupation force which should be lawfully resisted by true patriots, which by the 1980s had morphed into an “Aryan Resistance” to “Zionist Occupation”.

Comment #24: Dr. Psycho  on  07/27  at  01:17 PM

Actually, I think this birther conspiracy is a wonderful pasttime for conservatives to partake in.

It’s almost like a scarlet letter. When somebody starts posting, or talking, or holds up a sign that questions Obama’s birth, it’s a friendly way of screaming, “Pay no attention to me!!! I believe Obama’s kidnapped me and put a GPS chip in my head to track me!!”

I actually feel the tension of a discussion on health care, or abortion, or gun control just deflate when a person throws in an aside about Obama’s birth. It’s the reset button, like suddenly realizing a parrot was chirping out talking points, and not a real person who could reason and argue and be convinced.

Comment #25: I Heart Puppies  on  07/27  at  01:33 PM

My younger brother is a birther, and an increasingly vehement racist. Who happens to be married to a woman whose parentage is Mexican and Syrian-Lebanese. All I can say is he wasn’t nearly as crazy when she fell in love with him, and then the kid came, and here we are.

Comment #26: Liz212  on  07/27  at  02:34 PM

My younger brother is a birther, and an increasingly vehement racist. Who happens to be married to a woman whose parentage is Mexican and Syrian-Lebanese.

Lou Dobbs is married to a woman of Mexican parentage, but that doesn’t stop him from getting hysterical every time someone waves a Mexican flag on Cinco de Mayo. Or encouraging the birther idiots.

Comment #27: Bitter Scribe  on  07/27  at  03:26 PM

Some people are racist against all minorities, except for those minorities they know personally, who they happen to like. This is more common than we like to think!

Comment #28: Ben D.  on  07/27  at  03:28 PM

One of their justifications for this is a fabricated story attributed to Obama’s step-grandmother saying she watched his birth in Africa.

I’m going to risk being an asshole, but I’m still going to say it:  Why would a white American woman choose to go to Kenya in the ‘60s to give birth when she could give birth in a state-of-the-art facility in the States?  Also do Kenyan hospitals allow obscure relatives to sit in on live births or are we supposed to believe that Obama was born in a grass hut somewhere?

Comment #29: keshmeshi  on  07/27  at  03:57 PM

Shorter birthers:  In spite of our constant whining, Obama continues Presidenting While Black.  This is unacceptable.

It’s been said many times, but it’s really just that simple.

Comment #30: Captain Bathrobe  on  07/27  at  04:01 PM

“It’s been said many times, but it’s really just that simple.”

Sure does seems to be the truth.  If only Obama had some Whitewater & Blowjob activity going on…

Comment #31: MikeEss  on  07/27  at  04:21 PM

swapped in for the real, white, christian
But he IS Christian. I know you probably didn’t mean to bring out the implications of including Christian in that line, but just pointing it out for the stupider trolls who are going to go “AHA! SO HE *IS* MUSLIM!” or some shit.

Black Christian =! White Christian. Christianity is not a faith, nor a code of honor, for rightwingers, but an upgrade on ethnicity. It’s an enhancement. This is why none of them give a rat’s ass about Christians in Iraq. A Fox News commentator once referred to “Muslim Christians” while describing various groups of muslims. This makes sense to these creatures because non-rightwingers aren’t even a subdivision of humanity for them. All facets of personhood have the same status as ethnicity. So Obama’s blackness,  for what of it there is, obliterates his “Christianess.” All he qualifies for is “black christianism,” and that and a dollar will get you a soda.

A small soda.

Comment #32: No One of Consequence  on  07/27  at  05:35 PM

All he qualifies for is “black christianism,” and that and a dollar will get you a soda.

A small soda.

If we add a scoop of ice cream, can we make it a Black Cow?

Comment #33: Bitter Scribe  on  07/27  at  05:36 PM

Lou Dobbs is married to a woman of Mexican parentage, but that doesn’t stop him from getting hysterical every time someone waves a Mexican flag on Cinco de Mayo. Or encouraging the birther idiots.

That’s because it interferes with his ownership rights.

Besides, my (I swear absolutely castilian) Mexican is better than your mulatto!

Comment #34: Ms Kate  on  07/27  at  06:31 PM

Also do Kenyan hospitals allow obscure relatives to sit in on live births or are we supposed to believe that Obama was born in a grass hut somewhere?

What’s really funny is that the birfers seem to forget that there are two men named Barack Obama in this story:  the current president, and his father, Barack Obama Sr.  It doesn’t seem all that strange to me that the woman who is the president’s (step)grandmother would remember the birth of the president’s father or even have been present at it, depending on the size of the village where it happened.

Of course, even the transcript doesn’t say what the birfers say it does—the translators and Obama’s Kenyan grandmother spend the next 10 minutes correcting the interviewer and telling him that the president was born in Hawaii.

Comment #35: Mnemosyne  on  07/27  at  07:23 PM

The Nietzschean ubermensch

Comment #36: scratchy888  on  07/27  at  08:19 PM

Like usual I don’t have anything of great import to add to this conversation, but I think “Reasonable Bag of Dicks” would kick ass as a band name.

Comment #37: TheRealistMom  on  07/27  at  10:39 PM

By the way, does anyone know a black birther?  Even the biggest black sellouts in the conservative movement haven’t touched this with a ten foot pole.

While I wholeheartedly agree with the main assertion of this post - that the birther movement is rooted principally in vile, base racism - there is a fairly prominent black birther out there, and there is no disputing that he is indeed a “birther”.

Immediately after the election, Alan Keyes filed a lawsuit in California Superior Court to try to prevent the state from giving its electoral votes to Barack Obama - on the premise that Obama was not a natural born citizen of the United States.

http://www.politicker.com/california/4265/alan-keyes-files-suit-over-obama-citizenship-question

So yes, there is a black birther out there.  One, anyway.

Comment #38: DTG in STL  on  07/28  at  03:56 AM

Speaking of which - Orly Taitz, who has been the lawyer for Keyes, is going to be on the Colbert Report, I believe tonight.  I hope like heck that she is one of those right wingers who is completely clueless about the fact that Colbert plays a character.  And I hope he skewers her like only he and Jon Stewart can. 

Mnemosyne - I had always just heard the “grandmother says he was born in Kenya” meme and never heard that the rest of the interview involved the translators and the grandmother correcting this point.  Do you have a source you can point to?  I believe you totally, but would just like to have this link as back up if possible!

Comment #39: Susanne  on  07/28  at  09:07 AM
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