Vehement agreement, but I would like to add that to my admittedly limited knowledge, Immigration law….does not work that way.  Sure, your kid’s a citizen, and with some serious luck and hard work might be able to bring you over legally as an immediate family member…in about ten years. 

No other quibbles, except that the phrase “of rhetorical battles” in your first sentence is entirely unnecessary and should be stricken. 

They’ve never had the black vote and they see the hispanic vote is never going their way.  They need to bank on the aging white vote desperately and this is just another clear nail in the conservative coffin.  Good lord though, they’re down to calling it a “anchor baby” amendment?  That’s disturbing and offensive on so many levels.  Throughout my childhood my mother worked as a high-level family court member and knew the ins-and-outs of this when it first showed up in the 1990s with immigration and even then she told me it was such BS.  Now when I call she gets more upset because they insist on making it sound worse than it ever was.

I can’t believe they’re arguing this but thankfully this amendment change will never pass and that it is all a big smoke screen to scare white voters into republican votes.  Sad days in America.  Sad days…

Conservatives, with one big exception, have never heard of a valid Equal Protection clause claim.  Not surprising that they’d be trying to repeal the 14th Amendment.

Thank God these guys got front-row seats in the White House Press Corps. I mean,

“Anchor Baby” is the new “Death Tax.”

It’s obvious that the Constitution, in “conservative” eyes, is far too flawed to keep in its current form.  There have been too many years of liberal meddling, which have distorted the document beyond recognition.

Much better to just re-write it from scratch.  That way we can get rid of all that problematic Habeas Corpus stuff, that “Freedom of Speech” crap, and the Establishment Clause.  We can strengthen the 2nd Amendment so that all (white) American babies are given a gun at birth, which can never be taken away, and eliminate the legality of all government taxation, etc.

If we work together, we can create a new America that combines the worst excesses of Nazi Germany, Imperial Britain, and France under Napoleon, with <strike>liberal</strike> generous helpings of 1984 thrown in for flavor…

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And Jesus Fish, don’t forget the Jesus Fish.

Funny how they don’t admit that the Dems (in those time periods) migrated to the Republican party around 40 years ago. And that establishing Land Grant Colleges would be seen as ZOMG socialism!!! in the present party.

Conservatives, with one big exception, have never heard of a valid Equal Protection clause claim.

Nonsense!  There was totally that one case that invalidated a city ordinance that set a lower drinking age for women than for men because boozing teenage girls get up to fewer drunken damage-causing antics.  They probably would have agreed with that one.  Also, there’s…...well, no, that’s about it.

Gavel down, I’m an immigration lawyer and you are absolutely correct. Just because your kid’s a citizen doesn’t that the United States lets illegal aliens stay in the country or get status through their kids, at least not directly because of that.

  There is a form of relief called cancellation of removal. If an undocumentated alien is in the United States for a continuous period of ten years, is of good moral character (i.e. hasn’t committed an aggravated felony or other crime of moral turpitude and has paid taxes, yes its possible for undocumentated aliens to pay income tax), and has what is known as a qualifying relative (United States or permanent resident spouse or parent or minor child); than an alien can get a green card by proving that it would be an extraordinary hardship on the qualifying relative if the alien is removed from the United States.

  Asylum seekers with United States citizen children sometimes have an easier time getting asylum than asylum seekers without citizen children.

<i>If we work together, we can create a new America that combines the worst excesses of Nazi Germany, Imperial Britain, and France under Napoleon, with liberal generous helpings of 1984 thrown in for flavor… </i.

Which is, you know, rather amusing to play in “Hearts of Iron” (feel my fascist jackboots, Canada!) but not so much in real life, I expect.

Aha.  Thank you for the explanation, Lee!  I’m hoping to get to volunteer for these guys: http://www.supportkind.org/  and learn me some immigration law soon.

To reduce the 14th Amendment to the “anchor baby” amendment is tantamount to a full-on denigration of women, every minority group and, well, fuck it: America itself.

It’s not only the 14th Amendment they dislike, as Mike Bloomberg had to point out obliquely regarding the NYC mosque “controversy” (the speech is both excellent and heartfelt, and worth a read).

At this point, even Clinton-hating conservative politicians are getting nervous about Tea Party rhetoric. Granted, it’s because Inglis was primaried out by a wingnut, but listen to the kind of stuff his base thought he should be aware of:

About 90 minutes into the meeting, as he remembers it, “They say, ‘Bob, what don’t you get? Barack Obama is a socialist, communist Marxist who wants to destroy the American economy so he can take over as dictator. Health care is part of that. And he wants to open up the Mexican border and turn [the US] into a Muslim nation.

[...]

I sat down, and they said on the back of your Social Security card, there’s a number. That number indicates the bank that bought you when you were born based on a projection of your life’s earnings, and you are collateral. We are all collateral for the banks.

You can just guess who they believe own all those banks.

The good news is that the grownups, in the form of the courts (wingnut translation “activist judges”) are starting to push back against these depredations on the Constitution, at least as far as Arizona’s “Ihre papiere, bitte” law and (I hope) California’s anti-gay Nuremberg law (AKA Pro H-8) are concerned.

Strike that “(I hope)” from my last comment. Hurrah!

Hell, even Alan Keyes thinks thinks scrapping the 14th goes too far.

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Hurrah!!

Reid actually delivered a fairly strong criticism of the repeal the 14th Amendment crowd, arguing that the 14th Amendment and birthright citizenship prevents citizenship from being based on political whims.

Lee, I had heard that the qualifying relative had to be an adult, is this true?

But we have finally managed to purge most of the pro Hispanic wing of the party so now we can get down to business.  The Arizona law was just the beginning.

Will Long Knives be involved, Herr Ice?

And since you’re here, check your Social Security card and tell us to which bank you’ve been pledged as collateral.

”...we (the base) don’t want Hispanic votes and we never did.  However, for years we’ve had to put up with the Republican elites attempting to “reach out” to Hispanics.”

You know, King Head Lice, it’s refreshing to actually hear the straight scoop from one of the teabagging Reichwing idiots who make up The Base.

You guys won’t really be happy until there’s just three of you left in the Republican Party, arguing over which one of you gets to be the Grand Wizard this month.  But them robes sure are purty though…

Exactly, we (the base) don’t want Hispanic votes and we never did.  However, for years we’ve had to put up with the Republican elites attempting to “reach out” to Hispanics.  But we have finally managed to purge most of the pro Hispanic wing of the party so now we can get down to business.  The Arizona law was just the beginning.

You’re cracking me up here.

The members of the GOP who have tried reaching out to Hispanics did so b/c they weren’t idiots.  White majorities are going to be a thing of the past VERY soon. 

You can thank race traitors like me.  We don’t care if our spouses are darker.

And our kids are “stealth Mexicans”.  They look white, but when you spout your racist shit at them, not only are they not going to agree with you, they will fight you.  They love their cousins.

The only “business” you can possibly get down to is the pathetic acts of terrorism.  Again, real Americans beat the shit out of cowardly, treasonous racists before, and we’re more than capable of doing it again.  The AZ law was struck down b/c too many American citizens ARE Hispanic.  My husband’s great grandparents immigrated, and he couldn’t speak Spanish till he took it in high school.

Hating on the brown folks isnt’ going to work, at least not for long, bc they aren’t all new immigrants, much less illegal immigrants.  They’re bona fide Americans.

Plus, the kids don’t hate on each other like you want them to.

Oh, one more thing.

Obama’s approval rating may be dropping, but it’s still on par with Clinton and Reagan at the same point of their careers.

More than that, his disapproval rating has stayed steady.  It’s equal to the percentage of voters who voted for McCain.  So, the people who didn’t vote for him still don’t like him.

But even after nearly 2 years of Limbaugh/Fox attacks, the disapproval ratings haven’t changed dramatically at all.  It’s still the McCain/Palin folks.  And they weren’t enough to win last time.

You need to get actual voters to want to switch.  Doubling down on the racism isn’t doing the trick at all.  Do you have any others?

King Lice, when the three most recognizable Republicans are an unpunished drug addict and racist with radio show and an ego the size of a planet, a guy who uses Vicks to cry on command in order to sell his insane conspiracy theories (and gold) on TV, and a half-term governor of a state with the population of a small American city who is as proud of her ignorance as can be while spewing incoherent political bullshit all over this country and dreaming up new schemes to take the teabagging sheep to the cleaners, you really shouldn’t be too confident of a big November, let alone knocking off Obama in 2012…

#21 But what about the long term future of your party? Do you just not give a damn? I went to one of the most conservative schools in the country - I mean, these kids loved them some GWB - and their views on social issues would either change the party significantly or get them disowned by the party as it stands - and they compose the white voting block that seems to be the only one that you’re concerned with.

Considering your party is about to lose 60+ seats in a few months

for a moment, I thought KWI was a poe; then I realized he was merely illiterate.

“Even if it did happen we could always just return the Southwest and CA to Mexico and voila, demographic problem solved.”

The stuff you’re smoking — do you grow it yourself, or do you just have a good source?

As a lifelong California resident, why don’t you just let us secede?  We have the world’s 8th largest economy, and a lot of cultural and business diversity.  We’d do quite well as our own nation.  If we keep and spend all our tax money — instead of getting back 80 cents on each dollar of taxes we send in, and therefore subsidizing a whole bunch of parasitic red-staters — this place would be sweet!

I would feel bad for New Mexico, but Arizona needs to get its politics straightened out.  Being part of Mexico might be a great help in that area…

but in the future the party is going to be first and foremost about anti immigration and anti diversity.

“Cos tying your political future to swimming against the demographic tide is always a good idea.

“In the recent past the Republican party has mostly been about social conservatism (anti gay marriage, anti abortion, anti sex ed) and stupid wars…”

I have to say, Mr. Head Lice, you really hit the nail on the head with that one.  One can only hope you people see just how stupid you’ve been and change course…

”...but in the future the party is going to be first and foremost about anti immigration and anti diversity.”

...um, not exactly the kind of change that would be helpful.  Becoming the St0rmFr0nt/Klan/Ary4n N4tion Party, while perfectly consistent with where you guys are currently headed, seems like a losing strategy in the long run (like anything more than a year or two).

But, I have to say, it’s important to be true to yourselves.  And if The Turner Diaries is your roadmap, I guess you gotta do what you gotta do…

Even if it did happen we could always just return the Southwest and CA to Mexico and voila, demographic problem solved.

ok, are we sure KWI isn’t a poe after all?

So, KWI, you not only concede, but wholly embrace the Republican party as the party of white identity politics? Because a lot of fiscal conservatives would find that extremely distasteful, especially since they use their share of illegal immigrant labor to cut costs in their professional and personal lives, and the mass deportation I’m sure you support is going to have to be paid for with their tax dollars.

People, hello, does he/she need a huge neon TROLL sign? Do not feed them, it only makes them think you take them seriously.

“[the 14th Amendment is] the reason that states can’t discriminate between races, that gender protections exist in the Constitution, that a number of fundamental voting rights exist, that you can’t be imprisoned for hav[ing] sex with someone of the same gender, and so on.”

Well there you go. No wonder Fox hates it.

emjaybee, I’m trying to see just how far our troll will go. 

Is there a limit to what he would do to enact his/his party’s anti-immigrant pro-white far-right insane ideas?  Concentration camps?  Genocide?  A Reichwing Khmer Rouge?...

They’ve lost control of the party.

They still control the purse strings. See how much money the 2012 Tancredo for Pres. campaign can pull in. They’ll be lucky if they can get the headquarters out of his man cave.

If the 14th amendment is repealed wouldn’t that also eliminate the ability of a corporation to engage in legal agreements, own property, and due process?

KWI sounds like that other college kid who was ranting and raving in an earlier pandagon thread about how Congress was just going to ignore the 14th amendment one day and stop declaring people citizens.

purse strings. See how much money the 2012 Tancredo for Pres. campaign can pull in.
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