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An experiment in swallowing some knee-jerk animosity

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Like Amy Benfer, my initial reaction to this piece about the trials and tribulations of being beautiful by Elizabeth Wurtzel was to be annoyed and to write Wurtzel off as a self-centered mess who would do well to learn a little humility.  But then I read the comments underneath and was even more repulsed by the way many of them reflect the belief that good-looking women should be seen and not heard, and that there’s nothing interesting a beautiful woman could ever have to say about being beautiful.  Shit like this:

This article is pathetic. I’m sorry I can’t really feel for the “beautiful” girl who let it all pass her by. I have no decorations for a 41 year-old’s pity party.

Well, that’s utter bullshit.  Wurtzel might be fucked up in 15 different ways, but the notion that her good looks preclude any pity for her bothered me.  I felt extremely sorry for Wurtzel, who is obviously in a lot of pain, and who has been fucked over tremendously by the smoke that gets blown up your ass when you’re the good-looking golden girl that every guy wants to nab for a trophy.  Amy Benfer is more sophisticated, but she has a similar reaction:

There’s a certain type of woman who may start off as a funny-looking kid, lurking on the margins of beauty, and thus learn a thing or two about its dangers, developing a few character traits as compensation before blossoming into a great-looking woman. Not our Elizabeth.

This strikes me as a problematic statement, but I sympathize with it.  My natural reaction is that someone who has never been considered anything less than a beauty has so much privilege that she needs to shut the fuck up about it and let the rest of womankind glory in the moral superiority of having once had braces or frizzy hair or a big ass or whatever.  And certainly, Wurtzel’s inability to let go is grating—-even though she’s ostensibly writing about fading in her middle age (though I guess your 40s isn’t even middle age anymore), she insists that she’s even better-looking in certain ways, namely that she’s gained a couple of womanly curves, curing the “problem” of being too skinny, which you really can only be in America if you’re gawky, which she never was, so that comes off as disingenuous.  But irritating as some of her statements are, I actually found the essay to be interesting, because it does address a taboo subject, which is how being beautiful in a society where that’s the number one measure of a woman can really fuck you up. I don’t think Wurtzel’s wrong to trace a lot of her problems back to the beauty myth being drilled into her head.  And while she doesn’t seem to pick up on it, I also think that her long, miserable history with men might have a little something to do with the kind of guy that extreme beauty can attract.  It’s unpleasant to say it, but if your looks turn you into a status symbol, you’re going to attract the guys who want that very badly, who are probably going to be patriarchal in other ways—-jealous, controlling, mean-spirited.  Add to that Wurtzel’s own admitted attraction to drama, and you have an explosive combination, and her history is littered with abusive men who seem to have put her in a great deal of physical danger at times. 

And while Wurtzel stubbornly insists that her looks haven’t really faded (I’m sure she’s right—-outside of the world of Hollywood and porn, it’s widely understood that you don’t turn into a troll when you turn 30), her essay is an interesting examination, albeit one that the author doesn’t completely grasp, of how the beauty myth can completely fuck with your mind.  We believe it’s precious because it’s fleeting.  And when a woman feels wholly defined by it like this, she can therefore feel like she doesn’t really get many shots in life.  Take, for instance, Wurtzel’s belief that she had The One, and he slipped out of her fingers, and that’s that.  She had a great boyfriend who treated her right, and she cheated on him because she’s a drama queen. 

Months later, when Gregg found out for sure what I was doing, when he went through files on my Mac and found letters never sent to this lover or that one, he didn’t want to make me feel better anymore. He threw a two-thirds-empty bottle of Stolichnaya at my head when I finally found him at a friend’s house. He told me, I was your only chance at happiness—now it’s over for you.

In this essay, his pronouncement functions like a curse in a dark fairy tale.  She broke the rules, he cursed her, and now it’s stuck to her.  She hasn’t had a real relationship full of love and contentment since then, and she seems to sincerely believe it’s because she ruined the one good chance she had.  Why?  It’s hard to say, but I think her belief is that her only card that she could play was her beauty, which was at its height in her early 20s, and since she cashed that in on a relationship she ruined, she’ll never have a chance like that again.  This belief bundles an assumption about men, which is that all they could want you for is your looks, and that all the best men are absorbed by the greatest beauties, and so if you’re not a 10, you can’t get a great guy.  When you spell it out like that, it’s laughable, but then again, that’s in intrinsic argument to all those scare campaigns about women who put off marriage into their 30s, isn’t it?  In this, Wurtzel’s greatest crime is not being cynical enough about the cultural messages we all absorb, coupled with a willingness to be honest about how those message can affect even intelligent women. 

Even more depressing is how thoroughly being a lifelong beauty has defined Wurtzel’s sense of self, to the degree that she literally has trouble imagining what life must be like if you fall outside the age and beauty range to get cast as the hot chick in some college sex comedy.

I don’t want to look back at what was, tell stories of once upon a long time ago, of what I used to do, of the men I once knew way back when, of 1,001 rapturous nights that were and are no more—I don’t want my life to be the trashy and tragic remains of a really great party, lipstick traces on a burned-out cigarette at the bottom of a near-empty champagne goblet. Sex and sexuality, at least for me, are not some segment of life; they are the force majeure, the flood and storm and act of God that overtakes the rest. Without that part of me, I’d rather be dead. And I know all I can do right now is hold on tight to the little bit of life that’s left, cling to the edge of the skyscraper I’m slipping off of, feel my fingers slowly giving way, knowing I’m going to free-fall to a sorrowful demise.

She also declares that still dating at 41 is ridiculous, which made me wonder if she realizes that despite jokes about women’s “sell-by date”, the truth is a lot of people actually slip on and off the market, and there are tons of people dating in their 40s, and not because they were never taken off the shelf, but because they’ve been married and divorced already.  But I digress.  This passage could and will uncharitably be read as self-absorbed, and therefore abandoned.  It is self-absorbed, but I found the honesty of it fascinating.  Being a stunner her whole life has concealed from Wurtzel the basic fact that everyone fucks, including those of us who aren’t eligible to be fashion models.  Okay, that’s a little unfair—-she does seem to also allow that if you lure a man into commitment with your beauty, he’ll hang around and keep on pronging you into your middle age, I guess silently suffering your fading looks.  Though I honestly fail to see why said man would stick around.  Truth is, many people stay sexually active well into their 80s.  That’s a lot of fucking over a lifetime, and I’m more shocked that people don’t get bored and move onto new hobbies more than I am that they can still find each other attractive and exciting into their old age.

I found the passage interesting, though, because you rarely see anyone struggle so openly with very real anger at how mortality is a long, drawn-out process.  You spend a great deal more of your life getting old and moving towards the grave than you do growing up and into your youthful peak—-or at least you do if you’re lucky.  The tradition is to take this fact with humor and grace, instead of exploding in irrational anger like Wurtzel does here, and that’s true no matter how you feel about it.  The reasoning, I suppose, is because you can’t change it, and every day of relative health that you get is a good day because it’s one more day than you get when you’re dead, and so really there’s no point in getting worked up about it.  But maybe that message is easier for the majority of us, the non-beautiful (which does include those who just clean up well, but aren’t stunners), to absorb, because we’re not really losing that much.  And frankly, a lot of awkward teenagers tend to find their best looking selves in their 30s, after the peak and on the first few steps of the march to the grave, so that tends to muddy the whole narrative about how it’s all decline.  That, and you have other things to define yourself by, things that age can definitely improve, with the experience it brings. 

So, while conceding that Wurtzel is irritatingly self-absorbed, I still found her essay interesting.  I kind of admire her willingness to present her fucked up mind without censoring it to make it seem like she’s mentally pulled together more than she is.  It ends up presenting more of a challenging read in certain ways, as long as you abandon the pretense that you’re trying to glean some wisdom from her, instead of just bearing witness to her pain.

 

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Posted by Amanda Marcotte on 07:11 PM • (100) Comments

***minor quibble: in porn, when you turn 30, you don’t turn into a troll, you just go into weirder / more specialized genres.

Comment #1: Indy  on  05/28  at  08:20 PM

that’s my problem too.  I was just too beautiful and unique for this world.  alas, all good things must come to an end.  now that I’m approaching 60, I’ll have to utilize my bird-call skills to charm the pantaloons from my potential beloveds.  all’s well that ends well.  or as the big-beaked tarwhistle chirps:  thwit-thwit-thwit—-toodoo—thwit-thwit.

Comment #2: News Nag  on  05/28  at  08:33 PM

Yeah lots of dudes who throw bottles of Stoli at people’s heads are their The One Only Chance at Happiness.

Goddamn, Elizabeth Wurzel (and Elizabeth Wurzel’s ex).

Comment #3: Dan  on  05/28  at  08:34 PM

If someone threw a bottle of liquor at my head I don’t think I would spend very much time pondering the curse that went with it.  And, as Dan has pointed out, I wouldn’t think I had lost anything very special.

Comment #4: Eileen  on  05/28  at  08:41 PM

Except that scene in many ways screams too melodramatic to be true.

Comment #5: Robert  on  05/28  at  08:54 PM

Yeah lots of dudes who throw bottles of Stoli at people’s heads are their The One Only Chance at Happiness.

Not to mention actually tell you they were your one shot at happiness, and you’ll never be able to do better than them, because they actually hate you and and are congratulating themselves for heroically not being assholes to you.

Except that scene in many ways screams too melodramatic to be true.

It’s being hit in the head with bottle of liquor, not the severed head of your lover left on your front porch. It sounds pretty mundane to me.

Comment #6: junk science  on  05/28  at  09:09 PM

This belief bundles an assumption about men, which is that all they could want you for is your looks, and that all the best men are absorbed by the greatest beauties, and so if you’re not a 10, you can’t get a great guy.  When you spell it out like that, it’s laughable, but then again, that’s in intrinsic argument to all those scare campaigns about women who put off marriage into their 30s, isn’t it?

I wouldn’t call it an irrational belief, considering that (especially when you are young and most impressionable about these things) it seems that most men, from great to middling to loser, put a huge premium on female beauty.  What makes a guy ‘great’ is open to debate but all kinds of high-status men who are fat and funny-looking end up with beautiful women while their female counterparts aren’t hooking up with gorgeous guys.  Also, I don’t see hot looking guys being admonished to give unattractive and boring but “nice” girls a chance to the same extent that I see that with pretty women. 

My personal experience definitely tracks with that of the awkward, plain Jane teenager who grew up to be quite stunning in my early 30s.  Of course, that required an extraordinary amount of time in the gym and not eating.  Now I’m 40 and still considered attractive but not OMG traffic stopping.  I don’t really miss the attention I got during that brief period of stunning-ness because I never got used to it.  And oh yeah did I get pursued by some of the biggest assholes in the world!  One in particular, who knew me before I lost weight and colored my hair, wanted to know if I was available to go out since, as he put it, I was now date-able.  Yeah, he really said “I consider you to be date-able now”. 

I do agree that having any experience with being considered “beautiful” can cloud your judgement where sex is concerned.  Since I’ve regained some of the weight along with the usual aging stuff, I’m finding it hard to be amorous and I know it’s largely because of my body image.  And because I’ve internalized this idea that I’m no longer a sexual commodity since I’m over 35 and not skinny I’m often shocked when men hit on me, whereas I used to expect it.

Comment #7: DonnaDiva  on  05/28  at  09:10 PM

This is very “Memoirs of an Ex-Prom Queen” by Alix Kates Shulman -  very, “They say its worse to be ugly. I think it must only be different”. I’ll admit that I find all this a little too relatable. It does fuck you up though, because your looks become the only thing you have to offer, even if you would rather offer other things, because no one is interested in those things.

Seriously though, I think this is a typical patriarchy Catch 22. Women can be either pretty or smart (really, serious), but not both, and the judgment will be in eye of every guy who’s looking.

Comment #8: brklyngrl  on  05/28  at  09:14 PM

For some reason this reminds me of a couple movies I saw a bit ago.  The first was Conversations with Other Women, it’s basically just a long conversation between two people who had been married.  The former husband is kind of trying to talk the former wife into getting back together with him.  In doing so he makes a half-joke about how her sex life will be over in a few years, unless she’s with him because he’ll remember how she was when she was in her twenties.  The implication being that men only have sex with old women when they can remember being with that woman when she was young.

Oddly enough this idea showed up in Krull, that 80s movie with the disc blade thingy.  The old man goes to see an old woman who’s living in a spider web.  Because the old man knew her when she was young he sees her as a young woman, and her beauty was magically restored. 

It was such a strange idea to come across in two very different movies.  And it doesn’t seem terribly true to life.  I don’t know a whole lot of people who are still with their boyfriends or girlfriends from their teens and twenties.

Comment #9: laterose  on  05/28  at  09:19 PM

I’ve been overweight all my life and keenly remember thinking that it meant that a guy interested in me (even to talk) would be interested in my brain. It was comforting but not. Not on this planet yet, anyway. It was also dangerous, as I have found myself in not optimal situations with guys that I did not want to touch just because I didn’t think they would ever want to fuck me. Luckily, with my size comes strength.

Comment #10: Ursula  on  05/28  at  09:23 PM

Donna, I think it’s rational to believe that being ugly hurts you on the dating market.  But Wurtzel is pushing a very narrow idea of what’s attractive, which is that either you’re stunning or you’re shit out of luck.  A lot of men, in my experience, are actually drawn more to “cute” or “attractive” over “supermodel gorgeous”.  But she doesn’t seem to get that.

I dispute the notion that Benfer pushes that awkward kids who bloom are in the best spot.  I know plenty of people who are attractive in their 30s, but were the fat kid or the frizzy-haired one, and they suffer from lifelong insecurities because of it.

Comment #11: Amanda Marcotte  on  05/28  at  09:24 PM

I’ve never been a Wurtzel fan at least partly because I can’t stand melodrama, but I do kinda feel for her in this case.  I’m not much younger than she is, and am certainly no beauty—quirkily attractive is really the best I’ve ever done (basically from my mid-twenties to early thirties) without a lot of help—but the sense of decline is real, and at least in my case also corresponds with a sort of weary indifference to most of the few available men (also, many are Republicans = dealbreaker), which doesn’t help when one needs to feel more secure than adventurous.

Comment #12: latts  on  05/28  at  09:24 PM

And that’s true of men and women.  I don’t know that men get complexes for being good looking, but you sure can get one for being the awkward fat kid.

Comment #13: Amanda Marcotte  on  05/28  at  09:27 PM

Word on the throwing bottle at her and telling her she’ll never be happy meaning that he wasn’t such a catch. 

When an abusive ex told me I’d never find anyone as good as him, after I finally worked up the nerve to dump him, it was the very moment it clicked that he was, in fact, abusive.

Comment #14: rowmyboat  on  05/28  at  09:27 PM

A two-word response, of sorts: Rod Stewart.

Wurtzel is always going to have people hire her to write for them, because of Prozac Nation. (A book that I was ambivalent about when it came out [mumble] years ago.) That’s good for her profile, but it’s a fucking albatross at the same time. I do wonder, though, how she’ll do as a lawyer—she’s now at Boies, Schiller and Flexner, which isn’t a bad place to land—given that manythe partners will be people her age, who may have read that damn book. The Dorian Grey image is on the mark, she pinned the rest of her life to that snapshot of herself in her mid-20s.

Comment #15: pseudonymous in nc  on  05/28  at  09:31 PM

Good point about the dude in question.  I guess I missed that there might be more going on than she lets on, because she did, after all, cheat on him aggressively, which falls somewhere on the scale between dysfunctional and abusive.  But threatening someone with eternal loneliness is the sort of thing that non-abusers don’t resort to, I’d guess.  Then again, abusers say that to keep you with them—-he appeared to be saying it while kicking her ass to the curb.

Comment #16: Amanda Marcotte  on  05/28  at  09:32 PM

Well, she sold a Hollywood screenplay.  Sometimes you can live on that for the rest of your life, with ease.

Comment #17: Amanda Marcotte  on  05/28  at  09:33 PM

Seriously though, I think this is a typical patriarchy Catch 22. Women can be either pretty or smart (really, serious), but not both, and the judgment will be in eye of every guy who’s looking.

I don’t think that is what is going on here.  Elizabeth Wurzel is both smart and pretty.  She is also a boatload of bad news.  But, she is smart and pretty and has the degrees and photos to prove it.

Comment #18: lemmy caution  on  05/28  at  09:34 PM

The weird thing here (OK, a weird thing) is that Wurzel is a writer with a long career already behind her. Insofar as people read her stuff, it wasn’t because “Gee, she’s hot, I wonder what she’s thinking.” It was because they actually kinda wanted to read what she wrote. (Why editors commissioned and bought it, that could be another story.) So she’s already her own effing counterexample before she puts fingers to keyboard. That’s how powerful the whole “beauty trumps everything” meme is. (It’s a little bit like mixed-race calculations: if there’s even a tiny bit of beauty, the intelligence counts for nothing…)

Comment #19: paul  on  05/28  at  09:34 PM

Oddly enough this idea showed up in Krull, that 80s movie with the disc blade thingy.  The old man goes to see an old woman who’s living in a spider web.  Because the old man knew her when she was young he sees her as a young woman, and her beauty was magically restored.

This was also an episode of Star Trek, might have been the very first, IIRC, called “Man Trap” or something. In it, Dr. McCoy goes down to a planet with Kirk and a Red Shirt to look in on a couple living by themselves, and the woman just happens to be the love of Dr. McCoy’s life. As soon as he sees her, he remarks (and keeps remarking) that she “hasn’t aged a day” in like, the ten years since they broke up or something. The thing is, the woman is actually a very ugly alien who appears to each man differently based on his prefreneces. Kirk actually sees her “true” age but McCoy doesn’t.

And, as someone who is in the middle as far as looks go, I’m always surprised when people find me attractive, especially white men, because I don’t look like Halle Berry, or have large breasts but nor do I have the traits that are considered “attractive” for black women (hips, ass, yeah, that’s a big fat NO on the ass, to which, even one of my white boy friends was like, “you know you don’t have an ass?” As if I hadn’t been in my body all my fucking life).  I’d say the biggest feature that black men come after me for is my “good” hair, and that’s only because they’re looking to try and pass it on to their kids as if I’m just some kind of brood mare.

Comment #20: UltraMagnus  on  05/28  at  09:35 PM

That’s why I find it fascinating, paul, because it shows that the beauty myth can affect women who have piles of counterevidence to their fears.  It’s powerful stuff.  Wurtzel isn’t the only one—-almost all women suffer it to some degree, and I know some smart women who are often crippled by body image issues.

Comment #21: Amanda Marcotte  on  05/28  at  09:40 PM

This was also an episode of Star Trek, might have been the very first, IIRC, called “Man Trap” or something. In it, Dr. McCoy goes down to a planet with Kirk and a Red Shirt to look in on a couple living by themselves, and the woman just happens to be the love of Dr. McCoy’s life. As soon as he sees her, he remarks (and keeps remarking) that she “hasn’t aged a day” in like, the ten years since they broke up or something.

That reminds me, there was another Star Trek episode, one with the first captain of the Enterprise, where they went to a planet, and Captain Pike was captured, and put in a zoo kind of thing, with a beautiful woman.  Of course he tries to save her, only to find out that the whole thing was this elaborate play some aliens were putting on for the benefit of the woman who had been gotten old or disfigured, I don’t remember which.  As I recall they leave her there so she can be pretty.

Comment #22: laterose  on  05/28  at  09:40 PM

I’m with everybody else on bottle-thrower being clearly not the right guy. 

I don’t know that men get complexes for being good looking, but you sure can get one for being the awkward fat kid.

Yeah, this is right.  A deep-seated sense that women you’re interested in will be offended by your expressions of interest in them is one shape it can take.  It’s really hard to outthink something like that—it just kind of paralyzes you at key moments because you just know that you’ll anger her if you let her know you like her.  Even if she’s giving you every possible signal that that’s not the case.

Comment #23: Neil the Ethical Werewolf  on  05/28  at  09:42 PM

But threatening someone with eternal loneliness is the sort of thing that non-abusers don’t resort to, I’d guess.  Then again, abusers say that to keep you with them—-he appeared to be saying it while kicking her ass to the curb.

It’s just such a Nice Guy self-congratulatory thing to say. You’re beautiful, so you’re naturally going to be the bitch who dates abusive assholes, and you’ll deserve it for rejecting all the Nice Guys who seethe at you for being beautiful and making them hate themselves. It’s like he was expecting this from her all along, and he’s patting himself on the back for being right. I sympathize with him for being hurt and trying to hurt her feelings in anger, it’s just interesting to me that this is the weapon it occurs to him to use.

Comment #24: junk science  on  05/28  at  09:44 PM

you sure can get one for being the awkward fat kid.

Or having a mother who tells her oldest son(moi, as a teenager) that “Thank God you weren’t born ugly.”
wink.

OTOH, she always encouraged me to look beyond the physical in a potential girlfriend/mate.

“It’s not enough just to be able to fuck them, you have to be able to talk to them afterwards.”

As for my current appearance, I can pass for a man 10-15 years younger than my chronological age, thanks to my Chinese ancestry which has gifted me with a lot less white hair than regular Caucasoid guys my age.

Comment #25: Dark Avenger Guardian Chow Mein  on  05/28  at  09:47 PM

“I’d say the biggest feature that black men come after me for is my “good” hair, and that’s only because they’re looking to try and pass it on to their kids as if I’m just some kind of brood mare.”

...it’s always comforting to know people are attracted to you for something other than some superficial thing that might only be because of the genetic lottery…

[/snark]

Comment #26: MikeEss  on  05/28  at  10:01 PM

If you put all your points into charisma, of course you don’t have any left over for intelligence.

Comment #27: Entomologista  on  05/28  at  10:01 PM

This reminds me of that Joan Collins quote: “The problem with beauty is that it’s like being born rich and getting poorer.”

If I were Wurtzel I’d be more upset about how my youth was wasted dealing with mental health issues, which wasn’t her fault of all of course, but still.  If she hadn’t had those problems or had been able to deal with them at an earlier age, she very well may not have made so many bad choices.

That reminds me, there was another Star Trek episode, one with the first captain of the Enterprise, where they went to a planet, and Captain Pike was captured, and put in a zoo kind of thing, with a beautiful woman.

Then on the other hand there’s “Mudd’s Women” where unattractive women are given pills to make them beautiful.  Then it turns out the pills are placebos and it was actually the women’s confidence and belief in their own beauty that made them attractive.

Comment #28: keshmeshi  on  05/28  at  10:10 PM

Just a quibble”
Wasn’t the woman in “The Cage” also horribly mutilated all over (put back together incorrectly, as I recall) after a spaceship crash?  The decision to stay was based not only on looks but no longer being broken.  That’s why, in the end, Spock risks so much to take a now-shattered Pike back, no?

Comment #29: seeker6079  on  05/28  at  10:30 PM

I don’t know about this, I don’t really get this at all.  First of all, she is right that her looks haven’t faded.  We live in an age when Sarah Palin moves onto the national stage and men are pole-vaulting all over the place because she’s a “babe”.  (and she is, regardless of what else I think of her).  Terri Hatcher is well into her 40’s and is one of the hottest things on tv right now.  And she is hot.  Smoking hot.  Not well-preserved, not looks good for her age, fucking hot.  So this seems to me to all be premature at the very least.

Then: ” But eventually, at some somber and sobering calendar date, most of us lose our looks and likewise one of our charms—and I will lose mine. At which time, for me at least, there won’t be much point to life anymore at all. “

Yes, eventually that will happen to everyone, but at that point she will consider life basically worthless?  Wow, I don’t know, I’m in my early 40’s and I still get hit on all of the time, (even by younger guys in the supermarket!) but I am aware that the clock is starting to wind down on that.  I can forsee the day when my sexual allure is only alluring to very old men. 

I still want to live.  In fact, I can think of a whole lot of reasons I’d want to live, varying from all of the things I want to read, to Dexter dvd marathons.  Oh, and hello, chocolate?  The sun on my face.  The beach.  Music at the beach.  I could go on and on.

She’s a narcisist who only exists in the reflection of herself she sees in men’s eyes.  Your post certainly raises some interesting points, and there’s a lot for discussion there, and sure, some of it is universal. 

But hers?  Nah, I got nothing out of that to be honest.

Comment #30: Lady Vader  on  05/28  at  10:50 PM

American society is poisoned with exhortations to self-loathing, finger-wagging that every personal shortcoming is one’s own fault for lack of trying hard enough, and attacks on empathy as weak and feminine. (Throw a little bit of ridiculous authoritarian religion, rigid ideas of masculinity and femininity, and frontier mythology into the mix, all of which I would assert are causes of the poisonous cultural characteristics above).

Is it any surprise, then, that those who are (considered to be by contemporary perceptions of beauty) physically beautiful are as unhappy as everyone else and don’t necessarily have it any easier? So what if bagging a one-night hook-up is easier? Said hook-up is likely to be found out to be a douche in the morning (or earlier), someone who is as limited by this normative universe as everyone else: church norms are morality, prescribed ideas of masculinity and femininity are important and relevant standards for living, etc.

Thus I’m hardly ready to pounce on the good-looking for failure to appreciate having it easy. It does not enable more meaningful connections with others; only transforming the norms will do that. If I judged myself by the standards America’s Faux Frontiersmen and conservative cultural warriors think are important, or if I felt I couldn’t ever escape physically or mentally from the power of such standards, I’d want to kill myself, too.

Comment #31: Luke  on  05/28  at  10:53 PM

Yes seeker, it was about more than her, or his, looks.  Both of them were grotesquely deformed and in his case, completely paralyzed.

Comment #32: Lady Vader  on  05/28  at  10:55 PM

I always thought, personally, that it must kind of suck to be ridiculously good looking. People are sometimes intimidated by extremely good-looking people. I know I am! If you happen to be both beautiful AND very shy, people will always assume that you’re a heinous snob.

I think being naturally very gorgeous is probably annoying in the same way that being naturally very thin is kind of annoying. I’m neither, but I’ve seen a lot of resentful attitudes toward people—especially women, who happen to be either.

Comment #33: Jenny Dreadful  on  05/28  at  10:59 PM

Luke I don’t think she has it easy because of her looks, or that she should be living in eternal gratitude for being beautiful.  I just think she’s a narcissist, and I don’t find anything she said to be of any interest.

Comment #34: Lady Vader  on  05/28  at  11:02 PM

I didn’t notice any expression of interest on her part over what women think of her, any interaction she has had with women, or any jealousy or negative emotions they might have expressed towards her over her lifetime.

It was quite simply about herself as reflected in the eyes of men.  And only men.

Comment #35: Lady Vader  on  05/28  at  11:04 PM

Has she been talking to plastic surgeons?

Never let a man with a knife near your face (who demands $10,000 and upwards to have at it).

Comment #36: sara  on  05/28  at  11:04 PM

That’s what fascinates me, Caton.  Wurtzel must feel thorougly defined by her looks if she finds living without them utterly inconceivable.  Not just sadder, but inconceivable.  I’d probably be really, really, really sad if I went to bed one night and woke up irreversibly hideous (instead of the standard-issue messy hair/gunk in your eyes hideous), but a) that doesn’t happen like Wurtzel seems to think and b) surely there’s more to life than that.  Or at least it’s easy to see that if you have periods of your life, even just hours in your day, when your beauty isn’t all-defining.  But it’s possible that if you’re a beautiful woman, you have no idea what it’s like to not be beautiful, and so the idea is terrifying.  Like how I’m terrified of what would happen to me if I woke up one day kind of stupid, since skating by on my intelligence has been my strategy.  (I think I’m pretty, but I’m not like a whoa stunner who can skate by on her looks, so.)

Comment #37: Amanda Marcotte  on  05/28  at  11:04 PM

Yeah, I guess that’s the difference.  I can spend entire days inside my home with my hair standing up, in my pajamas, incredibly not-hot, and I have always done that.  Maybe I am weird, but one of the things I have always loved about me, is that I can go into a mall during the day with my hair pulled tightly back, no makeup, and a bulky jacket, to buy something to wear when I am going out that night.  And not one man will even notice me, I can float right under the radar.  But then when I go out that night, those same men who walked right by me, will stop and stare.  I not only never resented that, I actively enjoyed it and utilized it.  I know what life is like without male attention, and it ain’t all that bad.  In fact, sometimes, it’s exactly what I desire.  I understand why you feel sorry for her, I do get that.

Comment #38: Lady Vader  on  05/28  at  11:09 PM

Wasn’t the woman in “The Cage” also horribly mutilated all over (put back together incorrectly, as I recall) after a spaceship crash?  The decision to stay was based not only on looks but no longer being broken.  That’s why, in the end, Spock risks so much to take a now-shattered Pike back, no?

Yes, you’re correct. But at the end of ST’s pilot episode “The Cage,” the Talosians point out the contrast between Pike and the woman: he chooses to live in reality, and she chooses the fantasy world (and to a degree, one can understand why she makes that choice).

The followup TOS episode ” The Menagerie”(?) used extensive footage from “The Cage” and basically replays the episode all over again except that a now-shattered Pike also chooses the fantasy world with the deformed woman. Once again, who can blame him, but it sort of diluted the point of the original pilot episode, as Spock is delivering Pike into the fantasy paradise.

Comment #39: Tyro  on  05/28  at  11:13 PM

Yeah, that’s exactly it.  If you’ve never not been fawned over, it might seem like a fate worse than death.  It’s like how people who’ve driven everywhere their whole lives freeze up at the idea of biking or walking anywhere.  But once they ease into a little, by walking perhaps a quarter or a half mile somewhere, and they find out that they didn’t die and actually enjoyed the exercise, they start to branch out a little more.  It’s not that you never drive again when it’s appropriate.  But what seemed frightening before is actually freeing under certain circumstances.

I try never to look like an utter mess, though I probably fail often enough.  But the last thing I want is constant attention.  It’s one benefit of living in Austin, where so many people are hot that the relativity thing kicks in.  So I’m really put off when I go to less fashionable places and I stick out more, and you start to attract the assholes.  I’m always amazed, for instance, when I go to El Paso and being youthful-looking and dressed halfway fashionably means that every dickweed thinks he has a right to occupy your time.

Comment #40: Amanda Marcotte  on  05/28  at  11:17 PM

I didn’t say you did, Caton. In my view, you are right to view her views as narcissistic.

I still understand why she feels the way she does, in a society where looks are something you are supposed to be able to perfect with willpower (If you’re ugly it’s your fault you’re not trying hard enough! More make-up! More exercise! More toil!), where social norms are so rigid that common interests honesty presented are often all but ruled out as a grounds of forging interpersonal connections, and where sexist Cultural Authorities tell young women their value is in their looks and capacity for man-snaring.

Comment #41: Luke  on  05/28  at  11:18 PM

seeker6079, you’re probably right.  I only vaguely remember the episode.

Comment #42: laterose  on  05/28  at  11:39 PM

I’m 40 and I never really had the training and conditioning for femininity, from an early age.  Actually the whole of the stereotypical female role is still a mystery to me.  The sense of being older hits me primarily as an inability to tolerate alcohol so well as I once did, as well as an inability to maintain my kickboxing fitness.  The latter issue really gets to me to the point that I may write a Wurtzel sobstory yet.  But you never know, I might find the means to break the barrier again.  In the meantime, somehow I have blossomed into an intellectual.  Wish me well.

Comment #43: scratchy888  on  05/28  at  11:47 PM

If you’ve never not been fawned over, it might seem like a fate worse than death.

And no 30 Rock reference? Oh my.

Comment #44: Auguste  on  05/29  at  12:15 AM

“She’s a narcisist who only exists in the reflection of herself she sees in men’s eyes.  Your post certainly raises some interesting points, and there’s a lot for discussion there, and sure, some of it is universal.
But hers?  Nah, I got nothing out of that to be honest.”

What I get out of it is a reminder that depression is largely based on a rigidity of expectations.  For a lot of depressed people life has ironclad rules beyond just the laws of nature.  “If I don’t have X accomplished by time Y my life was wasted.”  “Since I am below height X/above weight Y/above age Z my life is unlivable.”  I thought the piece was a very stark and honest look into this thought process.  With society’s (though not necessary the majority of individuals’) strict beauty standards reinforcing this kind of thinking in women, it is no wonder women’s rates of depression are so high.

Comment #45: Hari Narayan Singh Khalsa  on  05/29  at  12:53 AM

Hari:

“Depression is largely based on rigidity of expectations”  That is one of the smarted things I have read here.  Maybe all of us could stand to have a little flexability in our expectations.

Comment #46: John Rove  on  05/29  at  01:21 AM

In this essay, his pronouncement functions like a curse in a dark fairy tale.  She broke the rules, he cursed her, and now it’s stuck to her.  She hasn’t had a real relationship full of love and contentment since then, and she seems to sincerely believe it’s because she ruined the one good chance she had.  Why?

The catch-all term for this kind of thinking is “superstition”; women are particularly prone to it, and it’s not hard to figure out why.  Fairy-tale rules may be unreasonable but they are not founded on pure vapor.  They are based on the sense that most people have no chance in life at all, but that once in a great while, an immensely special someone may prove deserving (through luck and not effort, since folklore is always cynical at its base) of a shot at the prize.*  However (since folklore is always cynical at its base) even seventh sons of seventh sons (and their female equivalents) get only the one shot.  If and when they blow that, and it’s not unheard-of that they do, romance morphs into tragedy and Cinderella turns into Lady Macbeth.

The vein of legend Wurtzel is tapping into here was concocted by people who had only to look around to know that life is unfair and that resources are scarce.  Since opportunities are resources, the rule of scarcity applies to opportunites as well as to more substantial goods.  It’s not a secret that throughout history women have not fared as well where Access To Stuff is concerned as men have, nor is it a secret that opportunites have, likewise, been scarcer for most women than for most men.  Why shouldn’t women be drawn to the tradition in their culture which declares that if (and only if) you are born with the thumbprint of the Gods between your eyebrows, you will have a chance at the Prize, but that if you fail the tests set by the Fates, it’s all over and your life is at an end?  It would be odder if women were to turn out to have no affinity with this kind of thinking than if they were to prove to be especially vulnerable to it.

*The prize can take many forms and almost any form: it can be called “The Handsome Prince” or “The Beautiful Princess” or “The Throne of the Kingdom” or “My Target Weight”.  It in itself is void.  Its only function in these stories is to touch off strife, just like Paris’s inedible golden apple.

BTW, I’m very sympathetic to Elizabeth Wurtzel.  If you actually look the way the princess in a fairy tale is supposed to look, it must be nearly impossible not to adopt the fairy-tale-princess character as your own.

Comment #47: bekabot  on  05/29  at  01:34 AM

A rigidity of expectations… I might have to use that.

Comment #48: shannon  on  05/29  at  01:36 AM

The fading of your looks likely hurts more if you were once stunning, a head-turner, than if you were simply average. At least this is true of women who make their living by their looks. I remember reading, years ago, critics mocking the forty-something Doris Day, because all her movie closeups were in soft focus (Vaseline on the lens was the phrase used.) Then I was later struck by the fact that the careers of most leading ladies ended in their early forties, whereas character actresses could work from youth till extreme old age. Kathleen Turner once said, when you hit your 40s you can either get a little plump, and smooth out the wrinkles, or lose weight, and make your ass look good.

But Wurtzel has always been troubled, per what she has revealed about herself. The fact that she’s troubled now is not surprising.

Comment #49: Hector B.  on  05/29  at  01:37 AM

“With society’s (though not necessary the majority of individuals’) strict beauty standards reinforcing this kind of thinking in women, it is no wonder women’s rates of depression are so high.”

This sentence suggests I think most women who are depressed are depressed because of insecurity about their looks, an assumption I do not have the knowledge to justify asserting.  Apologies for the flippancy of that.

Comment #50: Hari Narayan Singh Khalsa  on  05/29  at  02:55 AM

Look at most human beings without the distorting fog of your sexuality, and you will find that they are really ugly.

Humans are among my least favorite mammals looks-wise.  I think I’d love to have a luxurious coat of glossy fur.  The naked look just isn’t all that appealing, on cats or apes.

Comment #51: keshmeshi  on  05/29  at  04:46 AM

Monkeyshines, I didn’t know any of that about her, especially not what she said about anti-war protests being directed at her.  What you wrote, and you are very right, really reminds me of that Zappa song “what’s the ugliest part of your body?  some say it’s your feet, I say it’s your mind.”

Comment #52: Lady Vader  on  05/29  at  06:46 AM

Re: consequences of childhood beauty for men: my brother was a pretty kid and somehow this led to him getting beaten up a lot by particular boys in his class for supposed gayness in a classic-yet-disturbing demonstration of the human ability to project. It’s not the same lifelong game-changer that it’s been for Wurtzel, but it does have creepy consequences.

Incidentally, my mother always said rather directly that she thought all of us would grow up pleasantly average-looking, and she was glad, because the world is creepy and dismissive towards beautiful women.

Comment #53: purpleshoes  on  05/29  at  08:57 AM

She seems to lack a sense of humor about herself, which helps immensely as you get older. It puts things in perspective.

Also, I thought something similar to bekabot when I read her article. She seems to think getting attention and being special is a limited resource to be competed over. Impoverished thinking, as opposed to generous thinking.

Comment #54: Auntie Claires Hand  on  05/29  at  09:26 AM

“Donna, I think it’s rational to believe that being ugly hurts you on the dating market.  But Wurtzel is pushing a very narrow idea of what’s attractive, which is that either you’re stunning or you’re shit out of luck.  A lot of men, in my experience, are actually drawn more to “cute” or “attractive” over “supermodel gorgeous”.  But she doesn’t seem to get that.”


Ain’t that the truth!

The classic “guy” question you often see in guy commercials (like for Budweiser) is - Which did you like better, Ginger or Mary Ann? Funny thing is, virtually all the guys picked Mary Ann despite the fact that Ginger was supposed to be the epitome of beauty, i.e., a Hollywood movie star.

In a similar vein, from the old comedy “WPRP in Cincinnati” guys are asked whether they like Loni Anderson, the buxom blonde, or Bailey, the slender, slightly mousy office assistant. Most guys tended to go with Bailey, who’s looks improved markedly once she took off those oversized, unstylish eyeglasses.

Also, “imperfections” can be strengths, and “classic beauty” can = blandness. The first girl I really fell for was attractive enough, an English/Italian brunette with beautiful brown eyes. But her figure was a bit, well, unique. From the waist up she was quite slender and petite, but from the waist down, well, let’s just say she could have had a feature role in Sir Mix-A-Lot’s video “Baby Got Back”. Indeed, I found her ample, well rounded “assets” rather charming, and when she once said simply “Yeah, I’ve got a big bum” (delivered in a delightful English accent), well, I found that more charming still.

Alas, things did not work out. She had just been accepted into Oxford and fully intended to stay and settle in England and I had to go back to Tucson to continue my studies there, so basically there was no real future there.

Oh well. As the saying goes - Better to have loved and lost, etc., etc. .....

Comment #55: EricJG  on  05/29  at  09:33 AM

I’ve always said that conventional* good looks are the individual human equivalent of the Resource Curse.

And count me as totally un-surprised that a drama queen and chaos addict like Wurtzel would consider a NiceGuy® like Mr. Bottle-Thrower to be “the One.”

[* my own good looks, of course, are devastatingly unconventional]

Comment #56: Gracchus.  on  05/29  at  09:41 AM

The classic “guy” question you often see in guy commercials (like for Budweiser) is - Which did you like better, Ginger or Mary Ann? Funny thing is, virtually all the guys picked Mary Ann despite the fact that Ginger was supposed to be the epitome of beauty, i.e., a Hollywood movie star.

In a similar vein, from the old comedy “WPRP in Cincinnati” guys are asked whether they like Loni Anderson, the buxom blonde, or Bailey, the slender, slightly mousy office assistant. Most guys tended to go with Bailey, who’s looks improved markedly once she took off those oversized, unstylish eyeglasses.

Even these are false dilemmas: all of these women are considered conventionally beautiful. Prior to the roles you mention, Dawn Wells (“Mary Ann”) was a beauty pageant queen, and Jan Smithers (“Bailey”) was a model. The Ginger and Jennifer characters were exaggerations on the concept of female beauty taken to an almost grotesque, cartoon-like level (at least in terms of looks—the Jennifer character was presented as smarter than most of the WKRP staff). When given a choice, most people don’t choose the cartoon over the “real” person, but the latter ain’t exactly “plain” or “just kinda cute” (Bailey was hot, glasses or not).

Comment #57: Gracchus.  on  05/29  at  09:58 AM

And, as someone who is in the middle as far as looks go, I’m always surprised when people find me attractive, especially white men, because I don’t look like Halle Berry, or have large breasts but nor do I have the traits that are considered “attractive” for black women (hips, ass, yeah, that’s a big fat NO on the ass, to which, even one of my white boy friends was like, “you know you don’t have an ass?” As if I hadn’t been in my body all my fucking life).  I’d say the biggest feature that black men come after me for is my “good” hair, and that’s only because they’re looking to try and pass it on to their kids as if I’m just some kind of brood mare.

I used to be a high-maintenance princess in high school.  I spent so much time on the little details of looking good.  When I got to college, I had to prioritize my time better, so I stopped getting fake nails and I didn’t spend much time on my hair (although it’s naturally pretty easy to deal with), and I stopped bleaching my dark arm hair.  And yet I hooked up with a lot of guys throughout high school and college.  One thing I noticed is that most guys really don’t care about looks nearly as much as we think they do.  I gained 40 pounds (and I was a little chubby to begin with), but I still never had any problem getting dates.  I found out that a lot of guys didn’t care about hairy legs or no make-up, and I was shocked to find out that most guys don’t even mind having sex while I have my period.  I think it’s not surprising to anyone that most men prefer curvy women over the stick figures you see in magazine, but I was really surprised at how much they don’t care about a lot of other little details.  However, most men are aware of the insecurities women have about their looks, and they often won’t hesitate to use it as a weapon.  One minute a guy is hitting on me and going on about how much he likes me, but when I turn him down as gently as I can, he’ll start calling me fat or ugly.  The whole thing seems silly to me because if he hit on me first, why would he do that if he really thought I was so ugly?  But I’m sure that it does have an affect on many women, and that’s the point.  I’ve dated a lot of guys and even though they’re initially attracted by my good looks, the thing I hear most often is that they like the security I have about myself.  I guess it makes sense that guys would like sex with a partner who is also enjoying it and knows what she wants.

Comment #58: bananacat  on  05/29  at  10:20 AM

Wurtzel certainly is a narcissist, but geez, doesn’t anybody remember the ‘90’s?  You could go three days without hearing somebody talk about how beautiful and heavenly she was to look at, and what a surprise that such a woman had the stones to talk about the parts of her life that weren’t so beautiful, blah blah blah.  If anybody can be forgiven for thinking her life and her looks are the same thing, it’s someone who used to read how hot she was in The New Yorker.

Comment #59: Cliffy  on  05/29  at  10:56 AM

Beautiful women are, paradoxically, both elevated and despised by the patriarchy.  Nice guys gloat about the day the beautiful woman wakes up to realize that she has lost her looks and has nothing else in life (and women like Wurtzel buy into that narrative).  People gossip that any success enjoyed by an attractive woman is because she slept or flirted her way to the top.  People assume the attractive woman can’t possibly have anything else to offer besides her looks.  (You know the old saw that beautfiul women are never funny because they don’t need to be.)  The beautiful woman is despised for being vain and frivolous and self-absorbed like Wurtzel if she takes her looks as seriously as everyone else does.  Too many men either want to own the beautiful woman or take her down a notch (or many notches) if they can’t have her.  She is not seen as being quite human. 

I believe that beautiful women attract misogyny even more than the rest of us.  Many men hate beautiful women because they hate being attracted to someone they can’t have.

This combination of constant adulation and underlying hatred can really do a number on a woman’s head—especially since it usually begins when the woman is extremely young. It’s a lot of pressure and I think we are foolish to dismiss it as an unimportant problem.

Comment #60: Laurie  on  05/29  at  11:28 AM

Sexist have generally stereotyped women as Narcissistic, feminists have generally done their best to defy these stereotypes, and Wurtzel seems to be consciously trying to live them to the hilt.

Are you reading what you’re writing here?  You say that sexists have stereotyped women as narcissists, and then turn around and imply the solution is for women to try harder to be selfless, rather than sexists to try harder not to stereotype.

Wurtzel may well be a narcissist and may well deserve criticism for it.  But I blanch at the thought of criticizing her in the name of feminism.  The goal of feminism is not to stamp out those parts of human nature that men think are contemptible because they are associated with women.  A woman’s “job” as a feminist is not to make herself beyond reproach by sexists as some sort of example of how women aren’t so bad after all.  As Twisty would say, blame the Patriarchy, not the woman victimized by it.

For what it’s worth, as narcissistic as Wurtzel may be, I believe there is value in people, women especially, telling their honest stories.  Even if it makes them look bad, neurotic, self-absorbed, stupid, crazy, whatever.  Because as much as we don’t want to admit it in public (because that would make us look like them!) I think many of us can relate, and will maybe be made to feel less like a freak of nature.  I’m not beautiful, but nevertheless I relate to the idea of feeling crippled by my perception of men’s perception of me, and I feel comforted by the fact that a beautiful woman feels a similar way.  That maybe the solution to all my problems isn’t actually losing 60 pounds and getting a boob job because pretty women really do have it hard, too.

Comment #61: Denise  on  05/29  at  12:21 PM

“Even these are false dilemmas: all of these women are considered conventionally beautiful. Prior to the roles you mention, Dawn Wells (“Mary Ann”) was a beauty pageant queen, and Jan Smithers (“Bailey”) was a model. The Ginger and Jennifer characters were exaggerations on the concept of female beauty taken to an almost grotesque, cartoon-like level (at least in terms of looks—the Jennifer character was presented as smarter than most of the WKRP staff). When given a choice, most people don’t choose the cartoon over the “real” person, but the latter ain’t exactly “plain” or “just kinda cute” (Bailey was hot, glasses or not).”

Yeah. I remember Joss Whedon saying that he didn’t want to cast the traditional “supermodel in horn rims” for Willow. So he cast Allyson Hannigan.

There was a different actress in the part in the original pilot, but I’ve never seen it or her. Hard to think whoever she was could have played it as well and Hannigan, who just kicked ass for seven years.

Comment #62: witless chum  on  05/29  at  12:46 PM

There was a different actress in the part in the original pilot

You’re thinking of Riff Reagan who fit into Whedon’s vision.

Comment #63: Tyro  on  05/29  at  01:03 PM

While I think it’s worth talking about social leveling behavior that can be directed towards attractive women, I still fail at sympathy for Wurtzel not because she’s pretty but because she’s a narcissistic, classist jerk. I have the feeling that this would be the case even if she were born Merely Average Looking (the horror!) She would then have to be a special persecuted snowflake for being too smart, or too artistic, or too SOMETHING for this world.

I feel about prejudice directed at beautiful women much the same way as I feel about the discussion right now about whether Sontomayor might discriminate against the poor white menz when she gets to the bench; WELCOME TO THE REST OF OUR LIVES. Yes, it is always wrong to be a kneejerk bigot, and it’s unfair when people load a set of preconceived notions about you before they know a thing about your actual experience. That being said, especially when one has loads and loads of other resources like money and connections and a good education and talent at things not involving the problematical looks? I think yes, at that point, please feel free to sit down and shut up about how you’re participating in your own trivialization, Liz, and in the process reinforcing every stereotype people have about how women crave abuse and really aren’t worth anything when they can’t grace the cover of FHM any more.

Comment #64: sister ann  on  05/29  at  01:32 PM

and fail to me for typo-ing Sotomayor. sigh.

Comment #65: sister ann  on  05/29  at  01:34 PM

depression is largely based on a rigidity of expectations

That’s horseshit.
But thanks for the self-help book platitudes. No really. They’re really “helpful”. *snort*
I’m sure you have a psychology dregee that back that up have you?

DEPRESSION IS MENTAL ILLNESS. The last goddamn thing depressed people need is someone telling them to “lighten up” ! As if that is magically going to cure you. It’s a chemical imbalance in your brain.
How one chooses to deal with that (with or without drugs) is THEIR CHOICE.

Comment #66: Danica Lefse Queen  on  05/29  at  01:40 PM

I have a tremendous amount of sympathy for Wurtzel. I think that what she is feeling is her own mortality, and that the way its expressed may be through the misogynistic, self-absorbed lens of losing beauty. She’s bought into the idea that women’s worth is predominantly in her looks, and that is fucked up.  But I think that’s really a proxy for a more universal feeling. In truth, what she’s lamenting (in a veiled, indirect way) is her increasing irrelevance in the world, the slow “moving-over” that happens as you get older. Young people have a kind of power that older people do not, and it’s not just the dewy bloom of youth stuff; it’s also the quickness of their brains, their avidity, the feeling of potentiality, the fact that they have most doors open to them, and that they embody what society lionizes; namely youth. There’s a reason that most mathematicians and physicists make their breakthroughs, their true genius-stuff, in their early-twenties to mid thirties.  There’s a reason most really successful authors don’t write their first books past the age of 35. Whatever alchemy happens to make you extraordinary, for most people, it happens before you’re middle-aged, and if you don’t take advantage of it, it’s pretty rare to be able to find it past a certain age. I think she’s lamenting a life misspent, missed chances, more than anything.
The difference is that she felt this power exclusively as a kind of sexual power, and doesn’t realize that many people feel the power of being young despite not being beautiful. I was never stunning in the way Wurtzel was; I was always someone who could wear glasses, not wash my hair, wear a sweatshirt, and be invisible. But I still knew that if I put on contacts, wore makeup, and took on the symbols of beauty, i would have a special kind of power.  I was always distrustful of that power however, because it seemed like something I didn’t have control over; it was like a weapon I couldn’t quite rein in (i.e. it attracts douchebags and date rapists). 
Instead, I preferred power of being smart; its effects are proportional, predictable, and incremental. I had complete control over it. Nowadays, I wake up short of breath, in a panic, and it’s because I hate the feeling that life is passing me by because i’m wasting it by sleeping. I have the sense of missed opportunities, doors that won’t open again, the dimming of my mind, the waning of my power and relevancy.  I miss the ability to stun with my beauty if I choose, but it’s just part and parcel of the overarching fact that our world, our society, is made for the young, and I am exiting that stage of life.  The older you get, the luckier you are to live on its margins, and if you haven’t done what you wanted when you’re young, you will probably be pretty fucking bummed out.
Maybe it’s wrong and a sign of what’s screwed up in our society, but the plain truth is, for milennia we didn’t live as long as we do now. Life was made for the young, because they were basically the only people there were.  It’s hard to adjust our legends, our societal structure, our expectations, our heroes, etc., to adjust to a world where people live three times longer than they used to. So really, I think her experience of fading out is pretty universal, at least for people with a certain melancholy, fatalistic disposition.

Comment #67: t-ster  on  05/29  at  03:29 PM

Danica, I’ve been there.  Rigid expectations (whether they are cannonballs from the outside or a rot from within) can be a huge and very influential factor in helping to create the depression in the first place.

Comment #68: seeker6079  on  05/29  at  03:36 PM

Yeah, this is right.  A deep-seated sense that women you’re interested in will be offended by your expressions of interest in them is one shape it can take.  It’s really hard to outthink something like that—it just kind of paralyzes you at key moments because you just know that you’ll anger her if you let her know you like her.  Even if she’s giving you every possible signal that that’s not the case.

Boy Neil, you really hit the nail on the head there.  I wasn’t fat as a kid, but having pigeon toes and an unathletic disposition from a birth defect (that after surgery is barely noticeable) really does mess with ones mind, and I’ve only recently manged to work my way past those negative perceptions.

Comment #69: Zed  on  05/29  at  03:44 PM

This “Greg” sounds like a “Nice Guy”. No one loves her like him/ but him.. He is her only shot at happiness. Ewwwwww!!!

Comment #70: Renmiri  on  05/29  at  03:58 PM

Reading the article, “Gregg” is the typical Nice Guy, no wonder Wurtzel couldn’t stand him! And she bought the act so much she blames herself!!! What she describes is the typical emptiness a Nice Guy makes you feel.

I became seasick with contentment. It was nauseating daily, and I couldn’t still myself against a funny feeling that there had to be more to life than waking up every day beside the same person….

Love did not open up the world like a generous door, as it should to anyone getting married; instead it was the steel clamp of the iron maiden, shutting me behind its front metal hinge to asphyxiate slowly, and then suddenly. Every day would be the same, forever: The body, the conversation, it would never change—isn’t that the rhythm of prison?

Comment #71: Renmiri  on  05/29  at  04:25 PM

I think part of the reason she is worried about missing out her one chance at happiness is because of the societal myth that there’s exactly person out there for you to fall in love with.  People talk about finding The One(TM) like there’s just one person out of 6.6 billion that you can be truly happy with.  So if you meet The One(TM) and the relationship ends, it’s easy to see how someone would feel like they missed their only chance for fairytale happiness.  Of course, the psychological abuse by the guy didn’t help either.

Comment #72: bananacat  on  05/29  at  04:36 PM

Elizabeth Wurtzel has “won” again—everyone’s taking for granted her assertion that she was “beautiful” and that that was what people noticed about her. 

I went to college with Wurtzel, and although she was always a conventionally attractive woman, she was not one of the women who had a reputation for being a great beauty on campus.  And there quite a few such women whose looks were the topic of campus gossip.  When Wurtzel was gossiped about, it was either positive gossip around her wit and personal energy, or negative gossip around her neurosis and narcissism.

So here’s what’s incredibly sad: I put “won” in quotes because she seems to be ignoring everything that really makes, and has made, her distinctive to other people—a gift for writing, a quick mind, a sense of sardonic humor—in favor of cherishing a Miss Havisham-type myth of her vanished beauty.  That makes a bit of sense for someone who’s been a model or a pageant winner or even the great beauty of their circle of friends, but it seems so wilfully nuts for someone like Wurtzel who is, and has been, far more notable for her distinguished career.  It’s like she’s rewriting her own life history to make it shallower and more pathetic than it actually is.

Comment #73: JupiterPluvius  on  05/29  at  04:48 PM

It’s like she’s rewriting her own life history to make it shallower and more pathetic than it actually is.

Depressed people do that.

It is a disease.  And like alcoholism, it doesn’t go away.  I read the whole thing and at every point I recognized the hopelessness she feels.  I’m very familiar with it.  (I’ve never been diagnosed with depression, but I have had the same feelings of a wasted life and frittered-away potential.  And the suicidal tendencies, all the talk about life not being worth living.)

Comment #74: liberalrob  on  05/29  at  04:57 PM

Reading the article, “Gregg” is the typical Nice Guy, no wonder Wurtzel couldn’t stand him! And she bought the act so much she blames herself!!! What she describes is the typical emptiness a Nice Guy makes you feel.

Well, they were both at fault. “Gregg”, from his parting shot (the words, not the bottle), is definitely a NiceGuy®—was all along. And Wurtzel was so wrapped up in her own awesomeness, and so addicted to a life of cheap sensations re-enforcing her awesomeness, that she ignored what had to be obvious warning signs.

But even without a NiceGuy® in the picture, Wurtzel would have become “seasick with contentment” sooner rather than later—heck, she could have been dating a genuine nice guy who was a polyamorist and an international extreme sports superstar and heavy-metal rock-band drummer, and she still would have felt like she was in prison. It’s the stability of the relationship that’s the problem for her, not the guy.

Some narcissists, like Wurtzel, like Christopher Hitchens, live for needless drama and turmoil. They’re only truly alive when they’re surrounded by chaos and upset people, and if they’re clever and talented they can channel it into a career (running the wit and charm into the ground all along the way). But even into their old age, they’re usually blissfully unaware that this addiction to chaos is the single most powerful driving force in their lives.

Comment #75: Gracchus.  on  05/29  at  05:07 PM

Danica, I’ve been there.  Rigid expectations (whether they are cannonballs from the outside or a rot from within) can be a huge and very influential factor in helping to create the depression in the first place.

Are they the ONLY factor for the vast majority or depressives as the commenter above I was replying to seemed to suggest?
No they are not. It doesn’t matter what causes the depression. To sit there and further sitgmatize people suffering from depression because they just can’t “get over it” and “think happy thoughts” is a pointless and mean spirited thing to suggest. In fact I would say that it’s yet another “rigid expectation”.

Comment #76: Danica Lefse Queen  on  05/29  at  05:31 PM

Look at most human beings without the distorting fog of your sexuality, and you will find that they are really ugly.

I’m going to have to disagree with you (which just shocks me). I don’t think most human beings are ugly, whether or not I want to fuck them, and I don’t think your opinion has any more claim to truth than mine. Nasty, angry people tend to see the world and other people as ugly because it reminds them of what they don’t like about themselves.

she seems to be ignoring everything that really makes, and has made, her distinctive to other people—a gift for writing, a quick mind, a sense of sardonic humor—in favor of cherishing a Miss Havisham-type myth of her vanished beauty.

That’s sad for her, but I doubt she came to that conclusion on her own, since she apparently attracted many men who were only interested in her looks and deeply threatened by them.

Honestly, I found the piece tiring and couldn’t get through it because my eyes started to hurt from rolling too hard, but that’s because humorless, melodramatic self-pity is too much for me to take in written form. I don’t discount her pain and depression, and I realize her feelings are valid, I just get nothing out of reading about them.

Comment #77: junk science  on  05/29  at  05:43 PM

Agreed on the whole “chucking a bottle at someone’s head =/= the actions of ‘the one,’” but at the same time, there’s more to it than she’s telling. Homeslice didn’t just suddenly become “that guy who chucks bottles at people when he’s angry;” he has to have been putting out at least some signs beforehand that she’s not mentioning. Which is not to say that she’s to be faulted for not getting out, but still, it doesn’t seem she’s being all that honest about who he was.** Reading her other writing, that seems to be something of a reoccurring theme for her; the same narcissistic need to create herself a huge play, with a clearly delineated dramatic arc and characters that are epic enough to suit her opinion of what she deserves as a beautiful person. She hasn’t changed a bit or learned a thing. She’s just locating the climax of the story in the past now.

**In fact, I’d suspect he wasn’t that much better than any of the others that she dated; she just selected him for some subconscious reason to be “the point everything went wrong.”

Comment #78: Sherm  on  05/29  at  06:11 PM

I cannot relate in any way sympathetically with Wurtzel, although I was considered by many a “stunner” too in my teens and twenties and thirties (and still think I look pretty damn good at 50).  Fortunately I had a mother who would figuratively smack me up the side of the head when I would let my looks go to my head, and also she taught me some things that Wurtzel obviously never was - empathy, humility, grace towards others and sincere appreciation for the good fortune I had.

I have since worked with people who were horrifically scarred by accident or birth, and never had the privileges of Wurtzel - not only beauty, but thin, white, wealthy, successful in her field, etc. I just can’t find any sympathy for her, let alone empathy. In fact, I am very pissed by this enough to comment. Her hateful article in The Guardian during the Israeli war against Gaza just confirmed for me that she is what I consider ugly in this society. I do not criticize her from a feminist perspective; I criticize her from a humanist perspective, someone who is concerned with the welfare and care of others, and what it means to be a humane person in this world. I can’t even believe with all the human suffering and “isms” out there we are even debating her article. It just feeds into her pathological narcissism, and I don’t use that term lightly or as sarcasm at all.

Comment #79: Kathy  on  05/29  at  06:20 PM

Elizabeth’s problem is one of maturity.  Gay culture is obsessed with youth and beauty.  When I was in my 20’s I had the luxury of waiting for guys I thought were hot to approach me.  Now that I’m 40ish, those men don’t approach me as often as they used to.  That’s not a big problem because as I’ve matured, so has my taste in men. It’s not like I would turn a young muscle dude away now, it’s just that that isn’t so important to me anymore.  If I was still pining away for that type of guy I would be seriously depressed by being constantly ignored or rejected.

Comment #80: pablo  on  05/29  at  06:32 PM

Young people have a kind of power that older people do not, and it’s not just the dewy bloom of youth stuff; it’s also the quickness of their brains, their avidity, the feeling of potentiality, the fact that they have most doors open to them, and that they embody what society lionizes; namely youth. There’s a reason that most mathematicians and physicists make their breakthroughs, their true genius-stuff, in their early-twenties to mid thirties.  There’s a reason most really successful authors don’t write their first books past the age of 35. Whatever alchemy happens to make you extraordinary, for most people, it happens before you’re middle-aged, and if you don’t take advantage of it, it’s pretty rare to be able to find it past a certain age. I think she’s lamenting a life misspent, missed chances, more than anything.

My view isn’t quite so stark, though I do have my moments in which I do lament missed opportunities and such.  But with respect to career achievements, in my field of endeavor, it’s pretty much the norm to publish one’s first book when one is over 30 (often well over 30) and we don’t “peak” until our late 40s or even early 50s.

I suppose, of course, that there are things you can’t do or can’t do as well when you get older.  But I think there are a lot of things that you can do, but we get cultural messages that it’s something only younger people can or should do.  Why shouldn’t I, for example, travel alone across Europe after I’m 40?  Hell, that’s probably when I might actually have the money to do such a thing.  We could do a lot to change our perceptions of what is age-appropriate by simply challenging those norms where possible.

Also, to riff off of what pablo said, I’ve found that as I get older, the things that matter to me are different than the things that mattered to me when I was in my 20s.  I don’t see that as a “decline”; I can still find life as enriching - perhaps even more so - as I did fifteen years ago.  It’s just that what I look for in life has changed.  There are doors closed to me now, but other ones are open to me that weren’t before because I have a better understanding of those opportunities and how to avail myself of them.

Comment #81: Linnaeus  on  05/29  at  08:10 PM

“That’s horseshit.
But thanks for the self-help book platitudes. No really. They’re really “helpful”. *snort*
I’m sure you have a psychology dregee that back that up have you?
DEPRESSION IS MENTAL ILLNESS. The last goddamn thing depressed people need is someone telling them to “lighten up” ! As if that is magically going to cure you. It’s a chemical imbalance in your brain.
How one chooses to deal with that (with or without drugs) is THEIR CHOICE.”

First, I do in fact have a psychology degree.

Where I got my conclusions, however, was partly from a distillation of the advice all my therapists have given me and partly from introspection into my own depression.

I never implied that getting over destructive thought patterns was easy.  Far from it.  I find my own self-imposed rules for having a worthwhile existence to be compelling, and recognizing them is only the first step.

I recognize that the disease model of depression is a valid one.  Drugs help, I’ve taken them.  Changing one’s thought patterns also helps.  I’ve started to seriously attempt it and it looks promising, though as I said not easy.  It is not just my own experience—clinical research has demonstrated the efficacy of both cognitive-behavioral therapy and medication in treating depression.

Comment #82: Hari Narayan Singh Khalsa  on  05/29  at  08:19 PM

Excellent piece as usual, Amanda.  I was torn by it.  Not being “pretty” (and yes, it counts for men, too, though admittedly not as much) I couldn’t help but feel a lot of contempt for Elizabeth, because as I like to say, if I was a beautiful young woman with the knowledge I currently own, I would rule the world.  (Go ahead, read into this laugh-line anything you want, Pandagonians.)

I felt a very similar amount of pity, for the precise reasons you point out.  It’s tough out there being a beautiful smart woman.  I work with several; one in particular stands out as I type, she’s every man’s dream, at least before men realize how smart and strong she is.  Her problem is that it is difficult for men to get past her physical stupendousness (natural honest to God Barbie-figure included) and it legitimately drives her nuts.  She’s a brilliant and professionally mega-talented person.

She’s engaged, I don’t know (well) the fiance, but she’s cool and smart enough to choose well.  I wish her the best, and after reading your piece and your links I couldn’t help but wonder why Ms. Wurtzel is such a mess.  41?  LOL.  That’s nothing in babe-years.

*duck/cover*

Comment #83: John O  on  05/29  at  09:35 PM

JupiterPluvius, thanks for the insight.

It makes me sadder for her, though I’m still impressed by her willingness and psychological state to publish it.

Comment #84: John O  on  05/29  at  09:40 PM

So I glanced over the posts and didn’t see anyone really addressing whether she actually was still attractive or not. That didn’t surprise me because of how touchy it is, and anyone who claims to NOT find her attractive is clearly in thrall to patriarchy, hates women, and has a bottle in hand for every woman reading here.

Of course that’s just a dodge. The first problem is that every picture I’ve every seen of her has been a book cover or publicity still, and she has been perfected on these regards her skin, etc.  And she was pretty and hot, in my opinion.  Sexy, all the rest of it.

So the first observation I’d make is that I don’t really know if she was EVER (!) really that attractive since the Machine pretties up a whole hell of a lot of people who really weren’t, and aren’t. 

Here below, at 33 in 2001, she’s not really attractive. Not ugly, mind you, but not hot and sexy, and that’s at 33.  Just one bad photo? You decide.
http://www.ew.com/ew/article/0,,98743,00.html

So I can’t confirm that she was really ever sexy. But the polished professional stuff like here:
http://blogs.dallasobserver.com/dc9/2008/12/echoes_and_reverberations_liza.php
where she is leaning to the side, she is extremely attractive. That’s its point, though.

I’ll just assume she WAS hot and sexy then, however, and move on.

I don’t find her that attractive now, but I could only find a few of her nowadays, but again, same problem: just a few bad photos? Because these are NOT studio shots:

http://www.abovethelaw.com/books/

She dies her hair too, which she thinks makes her better looking apparently.

——

My impression of Wurtzel was of a smart woman whose appetite for attention simply IS her psyche, there’s nothing inside her that has the escape velocity to get away from it.  And yes, she is clearly smart and observant and has an engaging style of writing of the “I’ll attack myself to get your gaze” variety.

Amanda’s point seems to be that Wurtzel’s vantage point is indeed irritating and self-absorbed but she had something intelligent things to say. I’d agree. But she has been banging out the same shtick for two decades now and it’s exhausted, I’d say. She’s still profiting from all that too, as she got into Yale law school and didn’t meet the min LSAT scores. White privelege and all, it’s just not pretty. She got famous for being a poor little rich (white) girl and it’s still helping her do whatever she wants. I can’t stomach the self-pity anymore. I work with mentally ill minorities who are incarcerated in a max security psych ward.  No glamour, let me tell you, and narcissism is a monstrous quality. Still bothers me to feed into her pathological needs.

Comment #85: ript  on  05/30  at  08:22 AM

Ript, part II

Ironically, the work of Robert Crumb always comes to mind when I think of Wurtzel. Both self-haters who have a talent. I enjoy Crumb’s sketches (although he’s not a great technical talent) because of his lacerating honesty, self and otherwise. But they both draw their own indulgence and need to be fawned over, and then draw about that pathological need to get still more. He too has a worn out shtick. But they still were interesting at one point.  Crumb is likely a better artist than Wurtzel a writer, but I think the comparison is good enough.

Wurtzel’s wounds likely won’t be addressed by her. She started off too soon a rocket and her primary self-scripts are that of success and ability without effort. She’s not THAT smart and not really cute anymore either.  It’ll be a hard fall for her.  The net is FULL of talented and self-absorbed people, and she doesn’t really stand out anymore. Everyone in our culture is a diva who is sassy and snarky and starved for attention, thinks the rules are for everyone else, and feels deep down that they are special and are then victims when not treated as such. That’s who we are, as Americans.

Don’t worry for her, though, because she’ll graduate from another elite school and suffer through a $250k/yr legal job and end up writing about how much a burden it is.
———————————

One other point: when I was 21 I was suddenly given a vast amount of attention for my appearance. I was a nerd in high school and didn’t have my first kiss until 15, first girlfriend at 17 (senior year).  As one of the good grade getters, I was of course persona non grata at school. Something odd then happened.

I gained a bit of weight, going from 160 to 200 at 6’3’‘.  I cut my hair. It was amazing, literally overnight I was actually flirted with by a girl, by some women. What an intoxicating and bewildering experience! Sometimes it was just fun! What a thrill to be attractive, how odd it was to me. I received enormous amounts of attention, being called not just handsome but extremely handsome. Whoa, that was an odd experience.

There are quite a few women here talking about how they too were beautiful and victims.  I guess I could be analogous to a male version of this.  I was followed home by strangers, dated a professor, then finally dated Beautiful Women.  A few, not too many.

For about seven years I was Very Handsome. It was nice, destabilizing too. I was the opposite of Wurtzel. She was always beautiful and then lost it. She’s merely mortal now, but that’s how the ancients saw beauty, so fleeting. And it is. I was normal then became beautiful. Very different.

One other commenter spoke about how she never really accepted the beauty tag into her heart. I never did either. Much as I thrilled at the thought of a woman being attracted to me, I couldn’t really come to terms with it.

Like Wurtzel, the early script is hard to let go, but ours were inverted. I secretly thought myself forever unappealing to women, and she couldn’t envision herself as anything other than eternally sexy and hot (and brilliant).  If I had to pick, I’d pick my arc, because due to aging, we all lose that dazzling beauty anyway at some point. I realize there are people who think we can still be attractive and hot forever, but I suspect these people are in the minority.

My script was to spend endless amounts of anxiety over whether I was truly handsome.  Shit the time and energy I wasted.  The Poor Little Beautiful Boy is appealing for a brief spell and it, too, wears very thin. (I didn’t have the ‘rich’ part, though.)

Now I’m older and am no longer handsome. I’ve lost hair and gained a gut (which I’m losing slowly). I have kids and worlds and worlds of stress over someone NOT ME.  I worry about my son’s reading scores and my daughter’s precocious, moody personality that makes me fear for early signs of bipolar disorder.  I long not for beauty but for a time when I didn’t have such staggering stress, chronic and intense stress about paying $1000/month for my youngest to go to pre-school.

Tedious stuff like that, stuff that’d never find its way into a titillating memoir with a seductive photo of me staring through my hair into the camera.

It was odd to be beautiful and it was odd to lose it. But ironically, losing it has not been so stressful, because it stayed only a few days at a time but never moved in, you know?

Comment #86: ript  on  05/30  at  08:23 AM

Ript, Part III

The last chapter of my story re: beauty is my wife. My wife is beautiful, not in a quirky way but in a classical way. She’s got her doctorate and is very successful. I’m very proud of her, she’s reached her prime and there is something enormously sexy about a woman (or anyone) who has Found Themselves.

I am a doubter, my wife is not. She has known herself for decades and has no time to fritter away on whether she loves me or not, on what she thinks politically, etc. The sky could fall, it could rain fire and brimstone, and my wife would pick herself up and start looking for the keys to pick up the kids from school.  Deeply, deeply attractive. Then couple that with cinnamon-skin and an affectionate, nurturing style. Good god, she is beautiful.

The interesting thing about my wife’s beauty is that she is so wonderfully attractive with her Italian skin and sculpted lips and high cheekbones, yet she doesn’t see it. Her Napoleon like dad caller her ‘fascha brut’ growing up, which means ‘ugly face’! Christ!

She has received buckets of attention from her youth but she is so grounded that it glides right past her. Very odd.  She is exceptionally intuitive and sensitive, but this is her blind spot.  She can’t see how bright her smile is, how delightfully pretty and at times shocking her confidence and beauty are.

I tell her how beautiful she is, varying the words, the delivery, the timing. I approach it like an experiment, trying to bypass her early conditioning.  She likes it, knows I’m sincere, but lets it float away in the wind.  Once I took photos of her simply lying on the couch, posing in cheesy ways (dressed, you deviants!) by looking over her shoulder, etc. She liked it! Maybe the only time I ever got her to really feel it.

A shame. But there if there is a takeaway from these 3 stories of beauty, it’s the trite, familiar observation about the momentum of our early scripts.  It’s just so hard to alter the lens through which we see ourselves.

Wurtzel started brilliant and beautiful and mourns her loss of this Eden every day as age progresses. I was handsome for a spell and it fucked me up in the head, making me anxious and vain and excited and happy and tickled. Then it left and I was a bit unhappy but have plenty else to genuinely worry over.

My wife and I were beautiful in our 20’s but neither accepted or acknowledged it.  Too late! My day is gone.  But the interesting residue of this is that my wife is STILL beautiful - she glows and is radiant and still gets attention from younger men. The worst thing about losing beauty for me was not the actual loss per se, but that now there is a Beauty Gap between her and I, and I am in the unfamiliar position of being ‘out of her league,’ in public.

We have just started going back into the normal world of teens and children and adults, since our kids are now 6,6, and 4 - and I am still chained to the house to parent but not as smotheringly so. (We have no friends or family here to help us parent, so our lives are defined by who is at work and who is home with the kids. )

Re-entering the mall, for example, is disarming.  Seeing all that beauty! Youth, so extravagant and unself-conscious! It’s intimidating. For the first time I get nervous about my wife’s beauty. She works with young, virile men (police) who are fit, confident, blah blah blah. She is so approachable, and for you men out there, you know how exciting it is to meet a beauty who is approachable…

I ask my wife if she still finds me attractive, and she says of course and dismisses it.  As always, she is wonderfully thoughtful and attentive to my delicate male ego. I’m the most attractive man in the world to her, she says. I’d like to succumb to the flattery of this. But I’m a doubter, you see.

Comment #87: ript  on  05/30  at  08:25 AM

I half wonder if 99% of her beauty issues are really her own standards for the men she does and doesn’t date.

Comment #88: Ms Kate  on  05/30  at  09:32 AM

Now that I have read her essay through, it looks to me like she isn’t being honest with herself about her Wilt Chamberlain tendencies.  She complains about dating at 41 and bemoans her doubtlessly shameful treatment of one man she could have stayed with.  In the end, however, these both have much to do with her not wanting to be permanently attached to any man, and the ease with which she can procure casual sex because of her looks makes this sustainable IF and ONLY IF she can admit that it is really what suits her best.

At least Ann Coulter, pathetic in her continued black cocktail dress and hanging tightly to her botox, and awful though she is, seems to have come to this conclusion.

Comment #89: Ms Kate  on  05/30  at  12:08 PM

So I glanced over the posts and didn’t see anyone really addressing whether she actually was still attractive or not. That didn’t surprise me because of how touchy it is, and anyone who claims to NOT find her attractive is clearly in thrall to patriarchy, hates women, and has a bottle in hand for every woman reading here.

You know, as another person attracted to women, I did register an opinion in my own mind on Wurtzel’s appearance. Then I decided it might really be something if there were just one discussion thread on the internet about a specific woman that didn’t have a single commenter discussing whether or not the subject of the thread was hot and if they’d hit it. A thread where people realized their personal opinions regarding a particular woman’s fuckability weren’t actually the topic of the thread, and that no one was actually interested in them. I thought I saw it happening, just for once, just in this one thread. I should have known better than to dream.

Comment #90: junk science  on  05/30  at  12:15 PM

the ease with which she can procure casual sex because of her looks makes this sustainable IF and ONLY IF she can admit that it is really what suits her best.

It doesn’t sound like it does, from what I could stomach reading. She does seem to want monogamy, either because women are supposed to want it or because she genuinely does, and doesn’t think she’ll ever have it again because she’s a drama queen who sabotages everything in her life she thinks is too good for her.

Comment #91: junk science  on  05/30  at  12:24 PM

actually, junk science, her fuckability is precisely the topic. Wurtzel’s lament is her lack of it. This kind of angry dismissiveness is the cliche that I had hoped to avoid as well. We’re each other’s bugaboo, but I doubt you can grasp it.

The natural question to ask when anyone is anxious about their beauty is if it’s genuine or not.  Inferiority complexes, doubts, hype, etc - all this is part of the analysis, but clearly you ain’t ready for real thinking, just diatribes and self-righteousness. Get over it.

Comment #92: ript  on  05/30  at  12:56 PM

So much of women’s worth is regarded as how conventionally attractive they are considered to be. And just about every woman, whatever her appearance, struggles with her self-image. Wurzel’s state of mind certainly seems to link to this. Whether considered attractive or not, most women have to deal with this throughout their lives, and aging is such a fear for so many.

One of my best friends is very pretty and very smart, and still suffers from low self-esteem because of her body image. She loves her boyfriend, who is not really what most people would consider attractive, and I’ve heard people comment that “she can do better.” As if you can’t possibly love someone for something other than their looks. It seems like there’s a standard that couples must be equal levels of attractiveness, or something.

Comment #93: ArtOfMe  on  05/30  at  01:35 PM

Don’t they teach English poetry at Yale these days?

But at my back I always hear
Time’s winged chariot hurrying near;
And yonder all before us lie
Deserts of vast eternity.
Thy beauty shall no more be found,
Nor, in thy marble vault, shall sound
My echoing song; then worms shall try
That long preserv’d virginity,
And your quaint honour turn to dust,
And into ashes all my lust.
The grave’s a fine and private place,
But none I think do there embrace.

Now therefore, while the youthful hue
Sits on thy skin like morning dew,
And while thy willing soul transpires
At every pore with instant fires,
Now let us sport us while we may;
And now, like am’rous birds of prey,
Rather at once our time devour,
Than languish in his slow-chapp’d power.
Let us roll all our strength, and all
Our sweetness, up into one ball;
And tear our pleasures with rough strife
Thorough the iron gates of life.
Thus, though we cannot make our sun
Stand still, yet we will make him run.

To his Coy Mistress

Andrew Marvell

Comment #94: Dark Avenger Guardian Chow Mein  on  05/30  at  02:03 PM

She loves her boyfriend, who is not really what most people would consider attractive, and I’ve heard people comment that “she can do better.” As if you can’t possibly love someone for something other than their looks. It seems like there’s a standard that couples must be equal levels of attractiveness, or something.

Sounds like the pretty-girl sister of a friend who dated men who were conventionally attractive, but either fucked up on drugs or violent or both, and also tended to be eternally stupid.  Then she fell for a friend of a friend who was warm, gentle, kind, and very intelligent and seemed to expect her to grow and change too.  She did - and eventually outgrew him or noticed some of the glaring mismatches - but her standards for men in her life were permanently changed.  She married a guy who has treated her very well for nearly 15 years, is a thoughtful educated professional, but shares her blue-collar background and is otherwise well matched.

Comment #95: Ms Kate  on  05/30  at  09:15 PM

Gah, I took Prozac for clinical depression and it produced a suicidal spiral like nothign I could have imagined, which culminated in an actual suicide attempt. This happened despite months of warning the VA that I was circling the drain, but that’s a separate issue. And whoever said that the last thing depressed people need is ‘cheer up!’, Jesus thank you. Depression is the most horrifying thing you can experience.

Comment #96: ginmar  on  05/31  at  09:06 AM

Did you ever catch this Monty Python skit, ginmar?

Narrator: Once upon a time, long, long ago, there lived in a valley far, far away in the mountains, the most contented kingdom the world haad ever known.  It was called “Happy Valley”, and it was ruled over by a wise old king named Otto.  And all his subjects flourished and were happy, and there were no discontents or grumblers, because wise king Otto had had them all put to death along with the trade union leaders many years before.  And all the good happy folk of Happy Valley sang and danced all day long.  And anyone who was for any reason miserable or unhappy or who had any difficult personal problems was prosecuted under the “Happiness Act”.

(Sounds of laughter and giggling. A hammer strikes a gavel. Giggling continues throughout)

Prosecutor: (Not giggling)Gaspar Sletts(?), I put it to you that on February the Fifth of this year, you were very depressed with malice of forethought, and that you moaned quietly contrary to the Cheerful Noises Act.

Gaspar Sletts:  (Also not giggling) I did.

Defense:(Not giggling, too)May I just explain, m’lud, that the reason for my client’s behavior was that his wife had died that morning?

(This elicits big laughs. Judge bangs gavel again)

Judge: (laughing)I sentence you to be hanged by the neck until you cheer up.

Comment #97: Dark Avenger Guardian Chow Mein  on  05/31  at  09:50 AM

I read that thing, and what I got was, she’s saying “looks” but she means “priviliged social class.”  There are many, many comparably beautiful women, all growing old apace, for whom every single experience Wurtzel laments the loss of, has always been far over the horizon.

Comment #98: W. Kiernan  on  05/31  at  04:34 PM
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