As far as repealing abortion Obama is doing the exact same as Bush: Nothing

So shouldn’t he have called for Bush’s had as well ?

This is outrageous eliminationist sh*t from the pulpit. I don’t know how his church didn’t make SPLC’s hate group list.

You can see him in this video:
“Pastor Steven Anderson was interviewed by Ernest Hancock 4-18-09 to talk about who he is and where he comes from in order to have the courage to stand up to the man!”

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Z_tDivKVcQ

Project and obsess much, Pastor Steve?

Let’s lay bets how soon Pastor Steve makes news on the Slog’s Youth Pastor Watch:

http://www.thestranger.com/seattle/Search?cx=018412283168992679552:yvxwdz723au&cof=FORID:9&q=youth+pastor&sa=Search#2151

He’s frothing to the point that I give him six months to a year before Pastor Steve makes the police blotter.

They recruit through rape, they recruit through molestation, they recruit through violation.

Yes, there’s nothing like raping, molesting and violating someone to get them to see things your way!

Anyone want to start a pool as to how long before this guy is shamed and/or in cuffs over some sort of sexual scandal?

Oh yeah, this callow fellow! If you’re gay, or the president, or a gay president, don’t feel too bad: Anderson (and his charming wife Zsuzanna) want everyone not like them - male gynocologists especially - to die by stoning or at the stake or in some other horribly painful manner. It’s their thing.

Anderson and his fucked up flock make up a slightly meaner, wayyyy dumber version of the Westboro Baptist Church. 

Observe:

Real men only piss standing up - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qo3o4nfiG7A

Andy on homos - http://fstdt.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=lounge&action=display&thread=28

The police are alllllllllll Nazis - http://fstdt.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=pg&action=display&thread=875

Daycare is teh evil - http://fstdt.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=lounge&action=display&thread=321

And church nurseries? Also teh evil - http://fstdt.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=preach&action=display&thread=1472

It ain’t murder if I agree with it - http://fstdt.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=preach&action=display&thread=1347

‘I’m not sharin’ my breast milk with fags’ (paraphrase) - http://fstdt.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=lounge&action=display&thread=344

Some quotes:

“Because of years and years of looking at and touching scores of women inappropriately, the male gynecologist no doubt has a seared conscience and a perverted mind (I will not go into detail of what goes on in the doctor’s office for decency’s sake, but any woman who has been there knows what I am referring to.). His view of women and the marital bed has certainly been warped by his indecent involvement with countless women.” - Steven Andrson

“Consider the show ‘The Odd Couple’ from the 1960’s. Aside from sinful content, we are being exposed to an alternative lifestyle of two men living together as roommates. Genesis 2:24 tells us God’s normal plan, “Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh.” Although neither man in the show is a homosexual, this show was obviously a forerunner of the sitcoms of today which feature homosexual characters.” - Steven Anderson

Here’s my all-time favorite:

My kids had the following conversation at the store yesterday, very loudly, and within ear shot of several other customers:

John (4 years old): Barack Obama, and the devil, and the government are worser than anything else in the world.

Isaac (5 years old): Mom, John actually told me that he thinks Barack Obama is worse than the faggots.

Ah, precious moments!

Train up a child in the way he should go: and when he is old, he will not depart from it. - Proverbs 22:6

Zsuzsanna Anderson!

Mi>He’s frothing to the point that I give him six months to a year before Pastor Steve makes the police blotter. </i>

He’s already MADE the police blotter. He’s also an anti-government teabagger.

Who supports these nutbags?

Pro-Lifers for death. Again.

My gaydar is depressingly bad for a gay man’s, but… PING. Haggard rerun IMO.

*sing song* Someone’s projecting… what the hell?  And I suppose this Man of Gawd thought Bush was The Man.

Where do these people come from?  And do they just make up their own Bible to go along with their own Constitution?

Pastor Steve is a WATB.  If he really wanted to follow “God’s law”, he’d be calling for the death penalty for all of these other sinners:

- Adultery (Lev. 20:10 & Deut 22:22)
- Blasphemy (Lev. 24:16)
- Breaking the Sabbath (Ex. 31:14 & 15)
- Disobedient children (Ex.21:15 & 17; Lev. 20:9)
- Not being a virgin on your wedding night (but only if you’re a woman - Deut 22:13-22)

Obviously, this boob doesn’t even know his scripture!

http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20080710193335AAwklxZ

Pastor Steve is entirely correct about what the Bible says about homosexuality. Why there are any gays who pretend otherwise and do not commit to the worldwide struggle to destroy Judaism, Christianity, and Islam is beyond me. Gays cannot be free until these faiths are destroyed.

I know it’s an oldie, but that cheap suit looks like a nice polyester blend. Someone should be stooooooned.

Pastor Steve is entirely correct about what the Bible says about homosexuality. Why there are any gays who pretend otherwise and do not commit to the worldwide struggle to destroy Judaism, Christianity, and Islam is beyond me. Gays cannot be free until these faiths are destroyed.

Ah yes. The way to achieve ideological purity is to have no faith at all. That way, you won’t need to defend the untidy parts of your tradition, and you can engage in eliminationist rhetoric without being called on your hypocrisy.  Win - win!

Apparently only if you swallow, Pesto.

Anderson and his fucked up flock make up a slightly meaner, wayyyy dumber version of the Westboro Baptist Church.

I was thinking the same thing. And the concept of “dumber and more deranged than Fred Phelps” isn’t exactly an easy one to swallow.

Also, to those offering on whether Mullah ... sorry, Pastor Anderson will get caught in a sex scandal, I don’t take sucker’s bets.

Who supports these nutbags?

I was thinking the same thing yesterday regarding the Larouchies, and decided I do have to have pity for some (not all) of the followers. Your run-of-the-mill cult (e.g. $cientology or Landmark/Forum) focuses more on recruiting the weak-willed, the lonely and those with rock-bottom self esteem, but guys like Anderson tend to attract a larger share of people with mental illnesses people (paranoid schizophrenics, delusional pathologies, etc.). Indeed, sometimes the leaders themselves are deranged.

I was thinking the same thing. And the concept of “dumber and more deranged than Fred Phelps” isn’t exactly an easy one to swallow.

The thing is, Phelps is a lawyer (and so are most of his kids). He also has a formal education in theology and has memorized large portions of the Bible.

Anderson is merely a fresh-faced dumbass who hates higher education because he knows he could never manage it. He has memorized large portions of the Bible as well, and can spit ‘em back verbatim; but ask him when they were written or what they mean in context, and he’s every bit as useless as he sounds.

Ahhh, Primus, Isis and Ceiling Cat, what a complete nightmare of a human being.

Anyone want to start a pool as to how long before this guy is shamed and/or in cuffs over some sort of sexual scandal?

My money’s on a gay prostitute whom he regularly pays to pretend to be God (or an angel), and tie him up, punish him for his obscene homosexual lust, and then satisfy said lust.  Of course it will be a “fit of sin” and then once the evidence turns up a long history with this prostitute, a “series of fits of sin” that in no way affect his work as a minister because a) the devil has ensnared him, b) he always is properly regretful afterwards, c) he guides so many other people away from acceptance of homosexuality in his public life, and d) Jesus has forgiven him for his sins, because he has the exact accurate and true set of beliefs that are the magic key to everything being forgiven.

And, incidentally, any negative consequences against him are the work of the devil, using the police and the prostitute’s carelessness in falling under suspicion to discredit him in front of his flock, and if the courts and juries convict him and the news crews make his arrest public they are unrepentent servants of the devil themselves.

@Pesto, they’re talking about food. Because the Pharisees asked Jesus why he let his disciples eat without washing their hands according to the old traditions. Jesus is saying “My disciples eat with dirty hands, but you preach with dirty hearts. And YOU do more damage than they do.”  (to use it to justify oral sex is totally out of the context. The only passages that justify oral sex are in Song of Solomon)

The only time Jesus addresses homosexuality even tangentially is when he heals the Centurion’s servant. The servant is naed as a pais, the armor bearer, usually young and often dragooned into bed-duty when centurons were far from their wives. Jesus never bats an eye at the request, but heals the pais. It’s Matthew 8.

I grew up in a church like that. Real fun when you’re 15 and bisexual yourself. Especially when you hear that the god you’ve loved and worked for since early childhood doesn’t and can’t love you because of what you are.

And yes, the idea that men molesting little girls makes them lesbians while men molesting little boys makes them gay is very widespread if completely contradictory. True, every lesbian I know was molested. OTOH, almost every straight woman I know was as well.

”...a) the devil has ensnared him, b) he always is properly regretful afterwards, c) he guides so many other people away from acceptance of homosexuality in his public life, and d) Jesus has forgiven him for his sins…”

...and he didn’t suffocate to death with a dildo in his ass while wearing two wetsuits and being suspended from the ceiling. 

I think that’s a pretty important caveat for those young fundnuts who are out there thinking of engaging in some naughty-but-stimulating sexual sin…

“faithful Word”, my ass!  Wasn’t there some guy, pretty important to Christians, who said something about “love you enemies”?
I renounce this man, and all his lies, and all his works.  He does not speak for Christianity, and he does not speak for me.  He serves a different Master.

Pesto, they will eat you alive if you try it. And not in the fun way. Trust me on that one.
(although most of them will think it comes from the story of Peter’s dream where God lowers a sheet full of unclean animals down to starving Pete and says “Rise, Peter, kill and eat.”)

Actually, the God who demanded the execution of gays is the same God who demanded virgins marry their rapists if they weren’t engaged.

Deuteronomy 22: 28-29
If a man find a damsel that is a virgin, which is not betrothed, and lay hold on her, and lie with her,  and they be found; Then the man that lay with her shall give unto the damsel’s father fifty shekels of silver, and she shall be his wife; because he hath humbled her, he may not put her away all his days.

That’s 50 more shekels of silver if a husband slanders his wife by saying he did not find her a virgin on their honeymoon.

Sorry, God was more interested in containing STDs than securing justice for women.

Are these the same nutbags who General JC Christian spotlights from time to time? The ones that look like a bunch of bored fratsters got together and made a bunch of “HAY GUISE I’M A PREACHER LOL” videos in an empty cafeteria?

Take his sermon and change enough references (like Christian to Muslim, things of that sort) that he can’t recognize it as his own work. Would he think that such a religion was fit for sane people?

Someone should ask Steven Anderson why he hates Christianity so much that he makes it \a scapegoat for bigotry.

Pastor Steve is entirely correct about what the Bible says about homosexuality. Why there are any gays who pretend otherwise and do not commit to the worldwide struggle to destroy Judaism, Christianity, and Islam is beyond me. Gays cannot be free until these faiths are destroyed.

I agree with the core sentiment… but it will never, ever, ever, ever, ever happen, not this year, not ten years from now, not one hundred years from now, not one thousand years from now.

We would have more luck achieving the goal of eliminating all global poverty than we’ll ever have of eliminating several thousand year old religious institutions that have been running the show throughout the entire modern history of humankind.

Hoping for the day when all Abrahamic religions cease to exist is even more pointless than hoping for the day when you will inherit one hundred quadrillion dollars.

I am shocked, shocked that he has not called out for the execution of those who wear clothes woven of two fabrics and shell-fish eaters. For shame, he’s obviously one of those fair-weather Christians.

Also, this guy really needs to get on board with REAL marriage initiatives that will ban divorce. Yes, I’d like his flock to devote itself to that. That will really show the GBLTQI folks!

Another thing he could do would be to NOT WORK on the Sabbath. His preaching on the Sabbath is really a form of blasphemy and he ought to show his devotion to Yaweh/El/Baal/Satan and quit working on the Sabbath. God will provide. Yes, I think that’s the best solution to his sinning.

This is outrageous eliminationist sh*t from the pulpit. I don’t know how his church didn’t make SPLC’s hate group list.
You can see him in this video:
“Pastor Steven Anderson was interviewed by Ernest Hancock 4-18-09 to talk about who he is and where he comes from in order to have the courage to stand up to the man!”

Ernie Hancock, well known Arizona libertarian, was the guy who was “interviewing” Chris B. the semi-automatic weapon toting protester at Obama’s Phoenix visit on Monday.  Interesting that Hancock is showcasing a guy who does not have what anyone would consider libertarian views on a variety of subjects.  But that’s no surprise, considering that if you scratch the surface of the typical libertarian, a hardcore authoritarian emerges.

The funny thing about Sodom and Gomorrah is that it gets mentioned several times later in the bible and every time it does the sins of the Sodomites are listed as forgetting god and pride.  Homosexuality is at best tangential even in the original story.

Yeah, and while they go on and on about the “Sin of Sodom”, they never mention the Sin of Gomorrah.  Google it.  No, seriously, go and google it.  I did the other day.  It can involve stumps.

We would have more luck achieving the goal of eliminating all global poverty than we’ll ever have of eliminating several thousand year old religious institutions that have been running the show throughout the entire modern history of humankind.

Religions have come and gone in our society for a longer time than these religions have been dominant.  Since they rose to power, they can fall from power.

Yeah, and while they go on and on about the “Sin of Sodom”, they never mention the Sin of Gomorrah.  Google it.  No, seriously, go and google it.  I did the other day.  It can involve stumps.

I thought you meant tree stumps. And I didn’t remember that part, but I remembered the rocks painted to look like God’s face.

I’ve gotten burned too many times underestimating just how big of scumbags people like this actually turn out to be, so I’m not going to try to guess the real story here. Apparently at border control a drug sniffing dog took an interest in this guy’s car, he refused to cooperate with authorities, and wound up getting beaten and tazed. There’s footage of the actual arrest, so he’s not covering from some unfortunate rough trade incident.

Pam: thanks for calling attention to this fuckwad.  I’m sorry I don’t live in Phoenix or I’d show up at “Praise and Worship” tomorrow to spit in his face.  Fuck him.

This is vile sh*t.

Direct from the Bible, though. I mean it really does say this stuff.

We would have more luck achieving the goal of eliminating all global poverty than we’ll ever have of eliminating several thousand year old religious institutions that have been running the show throughout the entire modern history of humankind.

Right. That must be why worship of Zeus, Marduk, Baal, and Ishtar continue to be so incredibly popular and widespread.

Religions come and go all the time. These “thousand year old institutions” can be eliminated; scores of them already have. We’re down to a relatively small number of all the faith traditions that have ever existed; if the Greek and Roman pantheon, which once commanded millions of worshippers worldwide, can fall by the wayside, then so can desert monotheism.

I agree: DTG in STL is a defeatist. Many faiths have perished. I believe the Abrahamic faiths can be defeated within 300 years. “It’s as likely as ending global poverty”? I think by reducing global poverty we can fight these faiths. They feed on fear and insecurity. Reduce these and they are weakened.

Yes, I am an eliminationist WRT the Abrahamic faiths. But the difference is I’m right. There are no gods of the type they believe in. There are very likely no gods of any kind whatsoever. People who would organize society in accord with such false beliefs are unfit to rule and it is the duty of those who deny their gods to seek the power to marginalize the influence of the god-believers. They are simply incorrect about the world works, and incorrect in such a way that leads to destruction. They must be stopped.

Bacopa:

So I suppose that the Christianity of the Rev. Martin Luther King, on your reckoning, is just as bad as anyone who claims to speak for Christ. All of them fundamentally bad for humanity, no matter how seemingly kind or well-intentioned. All to be *eliminated* (your word!). You must be thrilled that an assassin took his life not very long ago. One less leading exponent of the Abrahamic faiths!

All those wretched, heinous nuns who saved thousands of Jews from the Holocaust, against the political arrangements of their own Church superiors. Harpies, fiends, glad they’re dead, right?

All the soup kitchens and food banks that operate in Christ’s name. Torch them. Evil, all of them bad for people.

You’re as morally retarded as the Arizona Nazi who’s impersonating a minister. In reality, there’s remotely Christian about him, as there is nothing at all politically progressive about you.

wapsie

So I suppose that the Christianity of the Rev. Martin Luther King, on your reckoning, is just as bad as anyone who claims to speak for Christ. All of them fundamentally bad for humanity, no matter how seemingly kind or well-intentioned. All to be *eliminated* (your word!). You must be thrilled that an assassin took his life not very long ago. One less leading exponent of the Abrahamic faiths!

Weren’t most of the good Rev. Kings greatest hits more concerned with people on this planet than souls and heaven and invisible sky wizards? And it seems to me that at the time he was pissing off a lot your mainstream preachers and religious leaders and whatnot with his interpretation of scripture. They didn’t really get on board until after he was gone and they could quotemine and warp his words. I don’t know if he’s really the best case to use for your argument. And look around: kind, well intentioned christians are fucking with the program. More on that later.

The post you quote reads to me as though s/he’d like to eliminate the faith. Not the faithful. Seems a lofty goal but admirable, no? If Zeus worshippers were messing with science classes i’d advocate eliminating the idea that Zeus actually exists. Wouldn’t you?

All those wretched, heinous nuns who saved thousands of Jews from the Holocaust, against the political arrangements of their own Church superiors. Harpies, fiends, glad they’re dead, right?

Jeezus, you are out of control. Kill the religion? Seems kind of harsh but it’s just an idea. If it can’t take scrutiny perhaps it’s best dead. I didn’t see anyone mention harming the people who practice it. Nuns from back in the day when the religious options weren’t so plentiful?  Nobody is advocating visiting violence upon anyone.  Just talking about doing away with a kooky idea. Wait- you said “...against the political arrangements of their own Church superiors”? Which side are you arguing?

All the soup kitchens and food banks that operate in Christ’s name. Torch them. Evil, all of them bad for peoples person.

Around my neighborhood I’ve seen the churchy food kitchen call the cops on Food Not Bomb types serving soup in the park across the street. Christ’s name adds no nutritional value. And don’t bring up mother theresa. Sadist. Don’t go there. Thanks.

You’re as morally retarded as the Arizona Nazi who’s impersonating a minister. In reality, there’s remotely Christian about him, as there is nothing at all politically progressive about you.

I come from good wholesome moderate christian americans. I know these people. The only thing they love more than being anti-smart is blaming the victim. “Shame what happened to that boy but he must’ve done something to provoke it.” “Don’t like to see doctors get shot but he had warnings” “They seemed like nice enough ladies but they shoulda got the hint that this town and them ain’t a good fit.” And the loop is closed from the Arizona preacher man to a wingnut who hears gods calling in the sermon by millions who make excuses and justify it. Good moderate christians enable this bullshit. Your average american churchgoer doesn’t really have a problem with the AZ asshole. Not nearly the problem they have with most everyone who comments here. Fuck them and fuck your “no true scotsman” argument.  What’s politically progressive about giving religion a free pass? The bible is not a progressive document. Think about it.

The same God who instituted the death penalty for murders is the same god who instituted the death penalty for rapists and for homosexuals, sodomites and queers

He’s wrong.  The Bible does not say that death is the punishment for rape.  If the victim screams, the “punishment” for the rapist is to either marry the victim or pay a fine to her father (although the victim does actually get to choose which).  If the victim doesn’t scream during the attack, then the rapist gets away with it completely (and presumably the victim would be stoned to death for fornication).  So, since even the most extreme conservatives are willing to ignore this “punishment” mandated by the Bible, they should also ignore the other punishment mandates, most of which were (debatably) repealed by Jesus anyway.

So I suppose that the Christianity of the Rev. Martin Luther King, on your reckoning, is just as bad as anyone who claims to speak for Christ.

Well, to the extent that MLK Jr’s Christian faith provides cover to the advocates and defenders of destructive religious practices, like you’re doing, yeah, I for one would say that it was pretty bad.

And try not to pretend that the civil rights movement was a phenomenon restricted to Christianity, or that the whole reason that blacks were disenfranchised in our country in the first place had nothing to do with that same faith.

All the soup kitchens and food banks that operate in Christ’s name.

Better that they operate in the name of charity and an end to human suffering, and close down the proselytizing side business, don’t you think?