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Avoid The Noid

imageA guy who wrote a book declaring that liberals were the source of all evil in the world since 1915 attempts to make the case that the left is just as paranoid and crazy as the right.

Now, Jonah attacks several members of the left (and “the Left”, that mythical organization of baby-killing death machines who have molotov cocktails behind their “No Blood for Oil” signs).  He calls out Naomi Wolf, I’m sure because she wrote a book on fascism rather than flip through a World Book encyclopedia from 1967 and figure out a way to call every Democrat in it a fascist.  He compares Rosie O’Donnell - whose major ideological impact on leftism was The View, which would in turn make Elizabeth Hasselbeck the 21st century’s Barry Goldwater - to Michael Savage, despite Savage having had a mainstream political talk show, a handful of bulk-sold conservative bestsellers and, for a brief time, a prominent voice in actual conservative thought.  Of course, it’s easy for Jonah to dismiss Michael Savage when his own magazine has theorized that Savage is a liberal agent provacateur.

Which is totally not paranoid.

He also delves down into a retracted claim by Randall Robinson and throws in Ward Churchill for good measure.  The real problem that he has, though, is this:

The real problem is that the liberal establishment, starting with Hofstadter and Adorno, have perfected the art of proclaiming paranoia or populism they don’t like as “right-wing” when — often, but not always — there’s nothing right-wing about it.

There’s a very simple reason why there’s “nothing right-wing about it”: conservatives reserve the right at any time to declare that anything which embarrasses them is, in fact, not conservative but instead invariably liberal.  Jonah’s actually the sterling example of this - Liberal Fascism is a few hundred interminably stupid pages of him declaring that conservatism is incapable of evil, which therefore makes all evil liberal in nature.  Having such a reactionary, formless ideology makes you inherent paranoid, and drastically more so than the left.  There’s little that conservatism believes which isn’t ultimately a response to something that someone else wants to change.  There’s a reason that there’s a substantial conservative movement dedicated to the idea that the President of the United States is a Kenyan/Indonesian sleeper agent.  There’s a reason that the major policy freakouts of the right over the past two months have been about the Fairness Doctrine and card check; that their modern-day heroes, from Joe the Plumber to Sarah Palin to Rush Limbaugh all share a common thread of victimization by their own stupidity (which is never their fault): conservatism thrives on paranoia in a decidedly mainstream fashion.

 

 

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Posted by Jesse Taylor on 07:06 AM • (45) Comments

I don’t know the context for the part you block-quoted and I don’t want to know, but the idea of calling Theodor Adorno part of the “liberal establishment” is hye-fucking-larious.

Comment #1: forked tongue  on  03/26  at  08:28 AM

Otherwise known as the “no true Scotsman” fallacy.  It’s one you hear a lot about in atheist circles, because Christians often dismiss everyone who does something stupid in the name of religion as no true Christian.  And then Steve Waldman implies that Bristol Palin’s suitability as a mother depends on her willingness to marry her dumbfuck teenage boyfriend (that glaring immaturity=good mother!), and it’s toe-staring time.  But I digress.

Comment #2: Amanda Marcotte  on  03/26  at  08:51 AM

A guy who wrote a book declaring that liberals were the source of all evil in the world since 1915

That’s odd.  To me, it seems like the world is actually better now than it was in 1915.  We now have air conditioning, the internet, plentiful cars and electricity, vaccines, and modern medicine.  In 1915, half of all children didn’t even make it to adulthood.  If liberals are responsible for this, then everyone should be thanking us.  This is yet another case of someone wanting to go back to the Good Old Days(TM) that never actually existed.

Comment #3: bananacat  on  03/26  at  08:53 AM

To be fair to liberal Christians, they don’t immediately turn around and engage in the behavior they abhor.  Jonah Goldberg, however, is a nut and a hypocrite.

Comment #4: Amanda Marcotte  on  03/26  at  08:56 AM

Some atheists use the No True Scotsman fallacy too.  If a Christian is actually a good person, some atheists will say that it doesn’t count because a person isn’t a real Christian unless they are evil and hateful.  It’s one of the reasons I don’t like to label myself as atheist.  And it’s impossible to explain to these people that it’s just as wrong when they do it, because they can’t see any middle ground and think that if I don’t hate all Christians that I must actually be as bad as with crazy ones.  The simple fact is, there are jerks in every group.

Comment #5: bananacat  on  03/26  at  09:02 AM

I wonder why this guy doesn’t shut up already and quit while he’s behind. Of course, that’s giving him credit, in some deep, dark brain cell, for realizing that he’s full of shit. But I suppose Mother will never, finally, be satisfied that he’s done enough to earn her approval.

Comment #6: daphne  on  03/26  at  09:49 AM

Sometimes I’m surprised the zombie corpses of Benito Mussolini, Karl Marx, and Barry Goldwater haven’t risen up in indignation and proceeded to beat the living shit out of our boy Jonah for utter historical FAIL and pissing them all off by a total misunderstanding of their respective political philosophies.

But then again, I always consult The Oracle of Rosie before putting on my Nazi uniform and going to Whole Foods to buy some brown rice and organic vegetables while handing out tracts urging people to form communes…

Comment #7: MikeEss  on  03/26  at  09:49 AM

If a Christian is actually a good person, some atheists will say that it doesn’t count because a person isn’t a real Christian unless they are evil and hateful.

Point me to one of these atheists so I can punch them in the mouth for giving the rest of us a bad name.

I’ve never seen an atheist who has made that claim - not even the hard-core anti-religious folks like Dawkins or PZ Meyers.  It’s a stupid claim to make - atheists should know that since Christianity is a religion created by men, different people will have different interpretations and there’s no way to lump them all together like that.  All Christians pick and choose which parts of the Bible they’re going to follow - some will pick the good stuff, and some will pick the evil stuff, and some will mix and match.  Any atheist who claims the people in the first group “aren’t real Christians” is either an idiot or he’s mocking the people in the other two groups.

I have heard one person who was a non-Christian who made that claim - he was a Wiccan of some sort.  In his defense, though, the only Christianity he’d been exposed to was the hateful hurtful kind and he just assumed it was all like that.

Comment #8: NonyNony  on  03/26  at  09:53 AM

“I wonder why this guy doesn’t shut up already and quit while he’s behind.”

Why should he?  I don’t know if he actually believes a word that shamefully escapes his lips, but he must know that whatever he gets paid to spew now is a lot better than he would make busing tables or digging ditches (or more likely, teaching PolySci in some backwater community college) — which are about the only things he’s qualified to do.

OTOH, I hear George Bush Jr. is looking for a pool boy…

Comment #9: MikeEss  on  03/26  at  09:55 AM

What an idiot. He didn’t bring up the 9/11 Troofers—probably the only part of the left that comes even remotely close to the craziness of the modern day right. Of course, MSNBC doesn’t give an hour of prime time to a 9/11 Troofer every night.

Can I haz National Review punditz job now?

Comment #10: Ben D.  on  03/26  at  10:13 AM

Otherwise known as the “no true Scotsman” fallacy. It’s one you hear a lot about in atheist circles, because Christians often dismiss everyone who does something stupid in the name of religion as no true Christian.

To be fair, EVERY group does this. A certain atheist on this board (Chet) will regularly claim that every evil person ever was a religionist, even if they said they weren’t, because they really worshipped the state, or their country, or something because atheists don’t commit genocide, etc.

Comment #11: Essie Elephant  on  03/26  at  10:31 AM

Liberal Fascism is a few hundred interminably stupid pages of him declaring that conservatism is incapable of evil, which therefore makes all evil liberal in nature.

A recent example of this occurred the other day where Thom Hartmann interviewed Jamie Glazov, yet another author of a book on how the Left Has Formed A Pact with The Devil Since The Dawn of Time.”

After rattling off the usual litany of mass murders committed by The Left, Hartmann got in a good question (the following exchange is paraphrased):

TH:  “Mr. Glazov, was the Vietnam War,  which cost the lives millions of Vietnamese people and tens of thousands of American soldiers, worth it?

JG: “I feel there is such a thing as a just war.”


So remember kids:

The Left killing millions in a misguided attempt to bring about a better society = EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEVIL

The Right killing millions for whatever damn reason they want = DOUBLEPLUSGOOD

Comment #12: Big Picture Pathologist  on  03/26  at  10:31 AM

Point me to one of these atheists so I can punch them in the mouth for giving the rest of us a bad name.

I’ve never seen an atheist who has made that claim - not even the hard-core anti-religious folks like Dawkins or PZ Meyers.  It’s a stupid claim to make - atheists should know that since Christianity is a religion created by men, different people will have different interpretations and there’s no way to lump them all together like that.

Stick around and meet Chet. He will happily tell you to your face that my Wiccan belief in the feminine divine makes me no different from a suicide bomber willing to murder small children, because he has decided that if a voice in my head “tells me so”, then I’ll act without critical thought.

Nice guy.

Comment #13: Essie Elephant  on  03/26  at  10:34 AM

Never mind that Chet is about 20 to 30 years behind on his science, declaring all animals to be automotons and completely incapable of learning (despite more than adequate science to the contrary).

After seeing that, I concluded that Chet is most certainly someone who believes in dogma and wishful thinking rather than fact.

Comment #14: Ms Kate  on  03/26  at  10:36 AM

What an idiot. He didn’t bring up the 9/11 Troofers—probably the only part of the left that comes even remotely close to the craziness of the modern day right.

Them, and much of the anti-vax brigade.

Comment #15: Ms Kate  on  03/26  at  10:38 AM

Ah yes I forgot about the anti-vax crazies. I don’t know how in the hell Goldberg could ignore such low-hanging fruit. He must be pretty thick.

Comment #16: Ben D.  on  03/26  at  10:45 AM

Essie, thank you for pointing that out.  I admire PZ Meyers, but a few of the comm enters on his thread are pretty extreme and claim that all religious people are evil by definition.  Atheists should know better than to judge an entire group based on the loudest ones, but some of them just don’t.  I’m pretty sure Time Cube Guy is an atheist.  And don’t start claiming that he doesn’t count because he’s clearly insane.  It’s a fallacy no matter who uses it.  The simple fact is that every group has some jerks and some good people, and atheists are no exception.

Comment #17: bananacat  on  03/26  at  10:54 AM

Essie -

Stick around and meet Chet.

Chet’s an atheist?  Yeesh.  Well, given that my out was “Any atheist who claims the people in the first group “aren’t real Christians” is either an idiot or he’s mocking the people in the other two groups”, that covers me on the first one.

catgirl -

I’m pretty sure Time Cube Guy is an atheist.  And don’t start claiming that he doesn’t count because he’s clearly insane.

Well, no.  If I had to discount insane people I’d be discounting a lot of religious people too, which would be an example of the same fallacy.  I guess I wouldn’t call Time Cube Guy a “rational atheist”, but if I were to try to do that I would be paring back the category of “atheist” in a way that would be committing the same fallacy.  (I totally forgot about cranks like the Time Cube Guy, actually, but I shouldn’t - I’d include Fred Phelps in with the Christians, after all.)

So mea culpa, I stand corrected.  Though in my defense I was mostly thinking about published atheist writers who would make a claim like that, not necessarily people claiming to be atheists who I can’t confirm (there are far too many sockpuppets on the message boards I read who claim to be atheists, make some outrageously stupid claim about how their atheism means they believe stupid atheist stereotype X, and then turn out to be a pastor at some church somewhere trolling.  My filter is probably turned up unusually high because of those folks.)

Comment #18: NonyNony  on  03/26  at  11:28 AM

Catgirl - Thank you for such a thoughtful response. To me, there’s nothing that atheists have “by definition” in common than a non-belief in the divine. That’s the definition - an atheist ‘believes’ (pardon the verb, but English being what it is) in one less god than monotheists, to paraphrase Harris. Everything else, good or bad, is up for grabs.

I’m not bothered by Bad Atheists. I’m bothered by Good Atheists who act as silent apologists for bad atheists by refusing to call out people like Chet and his ilk. Amanda, for all her good points, has never responded to his more ludicrous points even though he does this once a month like clock-work and it saddens me - something akin to the proverbial Good Catholic who refuses to criticize the pope. But we all have our blinders, it’s what makes us human, so I try not to complain too much. But it makes me sad.

NonyNony, lols re: Chet. Re: Published atheists, I understand that Hitchens can head deeply into wild-eyed hating territory at times. But keep in mind that ration, consistent, and thoughtful are not prerequisites for being published - quite the opposite, in fact.

Rather than saying that No True Atheist would say such a thing, let us instead say that any atheist who lumps all religionists under the same banner of anything except “belief in something supernatural” is intellectually dishonest and not logically consistent. And let us also say that any atheist who insists that “belief in something supernatural” automatically makes a person behave in a certain way, regardless of all other factors, is disregarding centuries of history and making a very false statement.

I think most of us can agree on that. smile

Comment #19: Essie Elephant  on  03/26  at  11:40 AM

Ms Kate - anti-vaxers are bipartisan, though. There’s a sizable contingent for whom it’s not so much “big corporations are trying to poison my kids” as “big government is trying to tell me what to do with my kids.”

Comment #20: Hob  on  03/26  at  11:44 AM

I’m not bothered by Bad Atheists. I’m bothered by Good Atheists who act as silent apologists for bad atheists by refusing to call out people like Chet and his ilk.

Yes, this is exactly my point.  Like it or not, the Bad Anythings give the rest a bad name.  We’d probably be better off a society if we just got rid of labels altogether, but humans just love to group things.

Comment #21: bananacat  on  03/26  at  12:07 PM

I think there’s a larger population of atheists who will try to divorce Good Christians’ (is that like a Good Injun?) goodness from their faith. Which may be true in a sense (many/most of the good believers would be good people even if they didn’t believe) but is also kinda nasty because it comes out like the mother of all false-consciousness arguments.

Comment #22: paul  on  03/26  at  12:28 PM

Paul, explain?

Or are you referring to the “He’s a good person in spite of being religious” mentality?

If so, yes, that is odious, in my opinion. And very, very patronizing. (In the same vein of, “She’s a good person in spite of the fact that she doesn’t believe in god”, indicating that a lack of belief in god is a moral problem - lack of humility, perhaps - that must be “overcome” in some way in order to still be a “good person”.)

Comment #23: Essie Elephant  on  03/26  at  12:34 PM

I think the “in spite of being religious” version is the far end of that spectrum. It’s more like “They’re good, and even though they claim that their faith infuses every good act they do, that’s not really true.”

(When I was an episcopalian, I was taught that the faithful did good works, not because god said so as a condition of salvation, but because they were so goldarn happy to be loved by god that they wanted to go out and be nice to people. Sorta the way you hug strangers when you’re in love. OK, not quite that way.)

Comment #24: paul  on  03/26  at  12:51 PM

Ok, I sullied myself by reading the linked Goldberg raving, and this might be a very minor point, but when did Spike Lee state or even imply that the gov’t blew up the levees in New Orleans? I watched the documentary he did on Hurricane Katrina twice and IIRC that was never even discussed. I guess I shouldn’t be surprised that some wingnut is pulling b.s. out of his butt anymore, but sometimes I still am.

Comment #25: Slackejawea  on  03/26  at  12:53 PM

Ah, Paul, I see where you are now. I, too, dislike claims that a person does/doesn’t do something because they are/aren’t something else, as I find the statement extremely condescending (i.e. I know why they do good works, even if they think they are doing it for X reason. They are wrong and I am right.)

Comment #26: Essie Elephant  on  03/26  at  01:06 PM

Compassion and empathy are human characteristics; you don’t get them from your religion and you can’t count them in your basket of “good things religion has brought us”.

Comment #27: stogoe  on  03/26  at  01:25 PM

Stogoe,

It’s more complicated than that.

Sure, atheists can be as compassionate and empathic as anyone else and I do NOT hold truck with the idea that people who don’t believe in a divine are inherently less good / moral / etc.

However, some people are compassionate and empathic because something in their religious creed calls them to be so. It’s equally dismissive to say that they are wrong, that they don’t do good things because of X (their stated reason) but because of Y (the reason you are more comfortable with).

Comment #28: Essie Elephant  on  03/26  at  01:35 PM

However, some people are compassionate and empathic because something in their religious creed calls them to be so. It’s equally dismissive to say that they are wrong, that they don’t do good things because of X (their stated reason) but because of Y (the reason you are more comfortable with).

Essie Elephant

This is one of those “fake it ‘til you make it” instances that I find facinating.
There was a story pod-cast on EscapePod called “The Scientist,” I think.  The hypothysis was there was a virus that gave a mild euphoric feeling after donating blood but was 100% benign.  For story purposes the donating of blood and euphoric feelis made people do other good deeds, become more socially conscious and basically behaving better.

The Scientist was a power hungry selfish ass whose research to find, isolate and destroy this virus ended up leading to all sorts of cures.  He did lots of good while trying to destroy this virus that made people more phylanthropic.

Was he a good person?  I guess only Kant would know.

As far Chet and Time Cube Guy, they’re not “true” atheists.
/takes off kilt and runs.

Comment #29: cynickal  on  03/26  at  02:36 PM

Cynickal,

I really don’t understand how your story (X makes people do Z) has anything to do with my statement (it’s ridiculous to say “Bob says he does Z because X, but I know he does Z because Y”), but…ookay.

That particular thought experiment is too hypothetical to mean anything. That research for Unwanted Cure led to Positive Extras does not mean that the virus had to be wiped out. The scientist didn’t need to widely distribute Unwanted Cure - society could have taken the Positive Extras and said “thanks but no thanks” to “fixing” the benign virus.

Unless you’re suggesting that the scientist cured people against their will by dumping his “cure” into the water supply. In which case, yeah, that would be pretty unethical.

Comment #30: Essie Elephant  on  03/26  at  02:43 PM

From what I’ve been able to tell, being a good person is completely independent of a person’s faith or lack thereof.  I think it has more to do with a person’s capacity for empathy and compassion—some of which is inherent, and some of which is learned.

Comment #31: Captain Bathrobe  on  03/26  at  02:53 PM

I really don’t understand how your story (X makes people do Z) has anything to do with my statement
Essie Elephant

Probably because I left in too much of your post.
If I reduce it down to ...

However, some people are compassionate and empathic because something in their religious creed calls them to be so.

It ties directly to my “fake it ‘til you make it”

To reduce it to X’s, Y’s and Z’s

“some people are X and Y because something Z [tells]them to be so”
They aren’t X or Y, they just *ACT* X and Y like because of Z

Thus, Are they good people?  Or do they just act like good people?
Does it matter?

Why do you say it’s too hypothetical?
Science fiction is the exploration of humanity and society through exaggeration of aspects of the modern world to help isolate those fascist and allow us to question our assumptions.

Comment #32: cynickal  on  03/26  at  03:32 PM

However, some people are compassionate and empathic because something in their religious creed calls them to be so.

Essie, are you saying that there are people who, without exposure to belief systems that encourage compassion, would not eventually become compassionate themselves?  If so, I can agree with that argument. 

But there is a very credible non-theist argument that asks, “If a liberal theist claims his morality is derived from how god(s) want him to behave, and that theist is suddenly presented with irrefutable evidence that those gods did not exist, would the theist suddenly revert to a non-liberal philosophy?”  In other words, what happens to your sense of morality if you take god out of the equation?  If you found out there was no Heaven or Hell, would you suddenly start killing people?  I’m sure the answer for most of society is no, but it calls into question whether the morals of a belief system are really dependent on a person’s belief in the god underpinning that system, or whether that moral system is a human feedback loop that will still function completely independent of there being any deity or interpretation of divine will at all.

Comment #33: deep6  on  03/26  at  03:38 PM

Ok, I sullied myself by reading the linked Goldberg raving, and this might be a very minor point, but when did Spike Lee state or even imply that the gov’t blew up the levees in New Orleans?

Lee kinda/sorta said something to that effect on an episode of Real Time with Bill Maher.  His position was more that he thought it was possible, not that he actually believed it.

Comment #34: keshmeshi  on  03/26  at  03:56 PM

The “no true Scotsman” claim doesn’t apply to atheism in the way that it applies to Christianity for the following reason. Christianity (indeed, any organized religion whatsoever) is to some extent a collection of doctrines. If the Bible were accepted as the allegorical story that it is, no one would bother arguing about the “correct” interpretation of it. Atheism on the other hand has no doctrine; to be an atheist all you have to do is not believe in divine beings. While there is probably some significant correlation between atheism and being a liberal, there can be libertarian, conservative, and any other kind of atheist. The correct response to atheists saying stupid shit is to call them out on the stupid shit they say, not to pretend that they’re somehow not real atheists.

Comment #35: Jerry Vinokurov  on  03/26  at  04:08 PM

No true Scotsman would ever win Wimbledon.

AARRGH!!! (is eaten by blancmange)

Comment #36: Sour Kraut  on  03/26  at  04:15 PM

Actually, the only requirement for a person to be a Christian is that they believe that Jesus of Nazareth is their god, or the son of their god, or both.  If a person completely ignores most of the Bible, they may be bad Christian, but still a Christian.  Any anti-choice Christian is directly conflicting with the Bible, and yet they are still Christians.

Comment #37: bananacat  on  03/26  at  05:05 PM

Actually, the only requirement for a person to be a Christian is that they believe that Jesus of Nazareth is their god, or the son of their god, or both.  If a person completely ignores most of the Bible, they may be bad Christian, but still a Christian.  Any anti-choice Christian is directly conflicting with the Bible, and yet they are still Christians.

With all respect, catgirl, this is your optimistic take on it. It’s quite clear that various sects disagree about what constitutes “true” Christianity (otherwise, there would be no schims of any kind between sub-denominations).

Comment #38: Jerry Vinokurov  on  03/26  at  05:23 PM

Essie, are you saying that there are people who, without exposure to belief systems that encourage compassion, would not eventually become compassionate themselves?  If so, I can agree with that argument.

Yes, very succint. Thank you.

and that theist is suddenly presented with irrefutable evidence that those gods did not exist

Deep6, no offense, but the question is meaningless. The reason theists haven’t been presented with “irrefutable evidence” that their god(s) do not exist is not for lack of atheists trying, it’s because that kind of ‘evidence’ is impossible for a non-physical (and possibly imaginary) entity like a god(s).

Having said that, if somehow that did happen, I defer to the South Park episode where Randy learns that his “cured alcoholism” wasn’t a miracle afterall, it was just him. I think some people would take a deep breath and consider the implications of that and then go on being a good person anyway, and some people will go right back to where they were beforehand.

Atheism on the other hand has no doctrine; to be an atheist all you have to do is not believe in divine beings….The correct response to atheists saying stupid shit is to call them out on the stupid shit they say, not to pretend that they’re somehow not real atheists.

Agreed, but I have seen many people say (including, Amanda, I believe) that it’s “hard” to be an atheist AND a racist / sexist / whatever-seems-henious-to-the-person-making-the-claim. And I think that’s naive.

Catgirl, I would go even further and say that, to me, the only requirement for being a Christian is to genuinely claim/believe that oneself is a Christian. Robert Price is a Christian, or so he claims, and he doesn’t believe Jesus existed as a physical, historical person. And who am I to judge? I’ve read his reasoning and I believe it to be logically consistent, as well as consistent with his interpretation of the Bible.

Comment #39: Essie Elephant  on  03/26  at  06:00 PM

Compromise and good faith is good.  To that end, I submit something that I think we can all agree on:

Chet is not God. 

John Moses Browning is.

This has been your Canadian compromise of the day!

Comment #40: seeker6079  on  03/26  at  08:22 PM

I can’t cite, Chet, and I don’t have a dog in this hunt (and how I fell in love with that phrase from when I lived in Texas) but I think it fair to say that, iirc, you have gone rather aggressively far, perhaps arguably too far, in previous exchanges on faith, spirituality, (etc.).  (Puts up both hands, looks down at the ground.)  Jus’ sayin’.  My attempt to answer your question without getting taking sides.

Comment #41: seeker6079  on  03/26  at  08:35 PM

going off what deep6 said, if only the fear of hell keeps you from killing people, your ‘morality’ is an illusion.

Comment #42: chibi  on  03/26  at  09:42 PM

in other words, you should behave kindly because you think it’s right, not because you don’t want to get in trouble

Comment #43: chibi  on  03/26  at  09:42 PM

here’s where i’m coming from. there are fundies who really do say ‘if there’s no hell, we might as well just start killing everyone!’ that speaks volumes to me. that says they think people in general are murderous animals who must be kept in line by fear, not any internalized sense of right and wrong. it certainly implies they feel that way about themselves.

Comment #44: chibi  on  03/26  at  09:47 PM

If I recall correctly, Adorno had very good reasons to be suspicious of (SELF-PROCLAIMED) right wing “populism”. Also, why are Adorno, of the pre-World War II Frankfurt School, and Hofstadter, of the American post-war consensus historians, lumped into the same group? Does the “liberal establishment”, or at least the one that exists outside of academia, even know about Adorno’s theories? I don’t understand why anyone listens to a guy who clearly knows nothing about history, culture, media or any of the things he claims to know about. Is he just counting on his readers to be as ill-informed as he is?

Comment #45: Liz212  on  03/26  at  10:57 PM
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