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Bamboo Review: Mad Men “Public Relations”

You didn’t think I’d leave you hanging, did you?  Not when I’m fairly obsessed with “Mad Men”.  I wrote a piece for Alternet before the premiere with some speculation about season four.  A lot of what I predicted remains to be seen, but my biggest prediction, which is that the season finale of season three hinted at stylistic changes on the show, seems to be panning out.

The finale of season three signaled a shift in the world of “Mad Men.” Viewers have no doubt that when the curtain comes up, the advertising industry players will find themselves living in the nascent days of the Swinging Sixties of our collective imagination: miniskirts, the British Invasion, the birth control pill, desegregation, and of course, the creative explosion in advertising.

(Yes, I’m aware that Peggy got an Enovid prescription in 1960, but at the time, that would have been off-label use. By late 1964, though, millions of married women and even some single women were switching to the pill.) 

As I predicted, the energy of the show went up a couple of notches, as did the height of women’s hair.  Matt Zoller Seitz noted that along with the faster pacing of the show, the characters speak to each other more forcefully and with a bluntness that they didn’t have before.  This doesn’t strike me as accidental; Weiner is trying to suggest that the changeover from the 50s mentality to the 60s mentality brought with it this energy, freedom, and frankness.  The last scene, where Don decides to drop the mystery man act and instead portray himself as a brazen, exciting guy who is a bit of an asshole, reinforces how much this is all intentional.  The meditative “Mad Men” may be over, replaced with a faster-paced show that reflects the faster pace of the time the show is set in. 

GD wrote about the season premiere at Ta-Nehisi’s place, and an interesting debate broke out in comments about Don Draper’s tantrum with the Jantzen people.  Was it a sincere moment of overwhelming anger, or did Don plan for it after the Advertising Age article made him realize he needed to remake his public image?  Answering that question struck me as the linchpin of the episode.  On one hand, we’ve seen sparks of Don’s temper before, such as when he yelled at Rachel Mencken in the series premiere, or when he stomped out of a meeting with the new British owners.  In most cases, his temper tantrums actually resulted in him getting his way, either immediately (as with the Brits) or after he smoothed things over (as with Rachel).  But all this is just more reason I think that Don may have planned this bigger, more explosive temper tantrum.  After all, his previous tantrums weren’t nearly as over the top, and he rarely ended them with a delighted instruction to a secretary to capitalize on what just happened.  Last season, Don spent months bowing and scrapping to Conrad Hilton, and he got shit for it.  He’s realizing this is a new era, where the advertisers are going to be the stars and the clients are going to line up to be a part of it all.  So he staged the temper tantrum, and attacked clients that we know for a fact are having meetings with every advertising firm in town.  In other words, he made sure that when he exploded, he did so in a way that the news would spread all over town in minutes.

But what is really telling is something that a commenter at Ta-Nehisi’s blog pointed out—-the B plot is all about feigning conflict to get attention.  Don scolds Peggy for the Sugarberry ham stunt, but just a couple scenes later he’s pulling a similar stunt in order to attract attention to the firm.  Of course, the actresses who got into the ham fight really did end up having a fight, and I suspect that’s because we’re meant to assume that Don is going to start inhabiting this new role he’s created for himself just as thoroughly.  But as a stunt, it will work.  There will be fallout, but the primary objective of drumming up business will be achieved. 

I had mixed feelings about Don’s conclusion that he should create and trumpet conflict, and use gossip as a marketing tool.  On one hand, it was delightful to see him get his mojo back after what had obviously been a trying year for him.  On the other hand, we were also witnessing a fictionalized version of the creation of the celebrity-centric culture that has grown particularly tawdry in recent years.  In Don’s glowing account of the way they got away from Sterling Cooper, I could hear the end game of that kind of journalism, which is a nation of assholes enjoying Lindsay Lohan’s personal crisis, as if she’s not a human being who deserve sympathy instead of abuse.  I heard an impeachment trial over an adultery.  But perhaps I’m overthinking it.  The era of holding your cards so close to your chest didn’t do much for people’s well-being.  The benefits of a culture based around individual stories and even gossip have been profound, as well—-the second wave of feminism was able to ride the use of personal stories documenting sexism straight to massive social and policy change for women.  The high note of rock music as the episode went out was there to encourage us to view this new personability with enthusiasm; we’re meant to feel its liberating effects.

 

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Posted by Amanda Marcotte on 09:50 AM • (70) Comments

Not actually watching the show, but I have to comment:  That is possibly the squarest pocket square I have ever seen.

Comment #1: damnedyankee  on  07/28  at  11:14 AM

I also saw the beginning of celebrity culture, with the cult-of-personality thing.  Don was realizing and figuring out how to brand himself.  Still, this is just more of him pretending about or hiding who he is - he’s not new to this.  He’d just always used it in his personal relationships, not as a marketing tool.

I thought this contrasted greatly with the sex scene with the sex worker - when he is being intimate with another person, Don wants to be slapped around (we got into a discussion about why and what this means over at my place - please come weigh in if you’ve any thoughts).  The division between what Don portrays and who Don is grows ever wider.

Also, with Peggy - I can imagine her joining the Second Wave now.

Comment #2: Gayle Force  on  07/28  at  11:18 AM

It’s interesting to me how compartmentalized people are about the show—people in some discussions actually think that Don’s life is a “fantasy” (not as in “oh, that’s not real,” because, duh… but rather in the “wow, I want to be him”). Like they’re watching Mad Men and seeing a show about a good looking guy who gets to drink and nap in his office and gets lots of tail. People talk about what a good person Joan is, erasing what she did to Kinsey’s girlfriend (not to mention all the other office secretaries), or about how she’s got such a great life (completely ignoring things like not being appreciated at her job, her fiance raping her, and being married to a loser).

I mean, it’s not like I’m sleeping with the writers and have some inside scoop on what’s going on with the show, but it’s still pretty amazing how people can’t process the complexities in the characters and figure out that there’s a little more going on under the glossy surface.

Comment #3: Mighty Ponygirl  on  07/28  at  11:31 AM

Don/Dick continues to surprise me. I knew he had some sadistic tendencies but masochism too? That explains a lot.

However, it’s great to see that Joan finally has her own office. And that Peggy looks so much more polished and confident. Her “John/Marsha” bit with the new art director is seriously cute.

I was disappointed that the show skipped over Freedom Summer and Dr. King winning the Nobel Peace Prize, but hopefully, we’ll see more of Sal. Maybe he’ll become this hot shot director who’ll turn down SCDP for a project they really want to do.

And I knew Betty was never going to be Mother of The Year, but she seems to be turning into “Mommie Dearest”.  I know Henry wasn’t going to be the Prince Charming she’d imagined and she was trying to impress his family with her parenting skills during Thanksgiving, but dragging Sally off?  Yikes.

Comment #4: Blue Jean  on  07/28  at  11:50 AM

The title of the episode is “Public Relations” and the show starts with the words “who is Don Draper?”  We got a glimpse of the differences between several of the characters’ public and private selves.  Don likes to be submissive sometimes.  Peggy quickly came up with a false scenario to sell ham (Hamm), Henry comes off as a bit of a mama’s boy, Betty is now dominant in initiating sex.  It’s a theme of the show for us to examine the difference between our private selves, and the public self we market to the world.  What kind of costume do we wear?  Gypsy, hobo, or something else?  Are we lying to people when we put on our carefully crafted personas?  In a time of great cultural change, people suddenly have a lot of choices about what part of our personal selves we want to expose.  There used to be a level of privacy that was granted to people.  With the internet, there is no longer much privacy.  The smallest choice can bring the flying monkeys down on your head, as Amanda has repeatedly pointed out.  The choices we make about the public persona we craft is more important than ever.  When a picture posted on someone’s Facebook page can cost you your job, other people can affect our image without us even being aware of it.  And remeber kids, when you put it on the internet, it’s there forever.

Comment #5: jackspratt  on  07/28  at  11:51 AM

From what I understand, Sal is gone. As beloved as his character was, the writers can’t reconcile bringing him back to the agency without stooping to some pretty shark-jumping bullshit. Don didn’t let Sal go in a “gosh this hurts me so much” way. He burned the bridge and made sure Sal knew his job was gone, and the last we saw of Sal, he wasn’t really trying to stay in the industry.  While we might get a peek at what’s going on with the castoffs from last season still in the old SC office (Kinsey and the like), I don’t think the writers are particularly invested in continuing those stories.

Hopefully, we’ll see Bryan Batt do other things, because he really stole about every scene he was in. smile

Comment #6: Mighty Ponygirl  on  07/28  at  12:00 PM

The last scene, where Don decides to drop the mystery man act and instead portray himself as a brazen, exciting guy who is a bit of an asshole, reinforces how much this is all intentional.  The meditative “Mad Men” may be over, replaced with a faster-paced show that reflects the faster pace of the time the show is set in.


Last season was all about the American social compact changing, so this is to be expected. At work, even if you’re not a patrician, it’s no longer about what you do but who you know (“my man at the WSJ”) and how much you can project the image of a smug individual who’s entitled to his (or her) success. Everyone now has to participate in the PR BS. The awesome Bert Cooper, a patrician who knows how that game works, is blunt:

Turning creative success into business is your work. And you failed.

That, you see, is the failure that matters for managers. If you want to see the current end result of this 4th Purpose/HR Culture MBA, you need look no further than self-pitying Tony “life is unfair” Hayward of BP, or the various i-bankers who nearly brought this country to ruin. All will be back, collecting big bonuses for crappy performance because they know the right people and can re-write the past with a good game of BS.

Don’s a quick learner, though, as shown in that last sequence. If we know anything about him, he’s a chameleon, and where last season was about the wrenching end of a comfortable and familiar reality (and how different people deal with it), this season will be all about how we start over—in a business start-up, in a government just emerged from a national trauma, in a new cultural milieu, in a divorce, in a more open and competitive workplace. And how those different situations play against and influence each-other. Case in point:

Was it a sincere moment of overwhelming anger, or did Don plan for it after the Advertising Age article made him realize he needed to remake his public image?

My take was that he was saying the Jantzen people what he really wanted to say to the current occupant of his house, Betty: “this stops now, so get the hell out. Right. Now.”

Of course, it’s an “and-both” show, so I can see your take fitting into it. The personal and professional play with each-other—from Don’s signature floor polish ad, with its dark opening and bright finish, to the contrast between Don’s dark bachelor pad and the bright yet compartmentalised new offices of Sterling Cooper Draper Price, it’s all over the place.

Comment #7: Gracchus.  on  07/28  at  12:00 PM

It’s funny, when they had that first shot of the new agency, I thought, “Yep, it’s the 1960s now.”  It’s not the hippie-dippie, Summer of Love 1960s yet, but it’s definitely the Matt Helm 1960s on the show.  It’s not the 1950s anymore.

And I was struck again by what a bad mother Betty is.  You usually see either saintly mothers or abusive mothers, and she’s neither one of those.  She’s just someone who does a very bad job of raising her children, especially her daughter.  It’s interesting to see that on TV instead of the extremes we usually get.

Comment #8: Mnemosyne  on  07/28  at  12:02 PM

Hey, but her son likes sweet potatoes. So she must be doing SOMETHING right. :p

Comment #9: Mighty Ponygirl  on  07/28  at  12:04 PM

I was disappointed that the show skipped over Freedom Summer and Dr. King winning the Nobel Peace Prize, but hopefully, we’ll see more of Sal

They didn’t really skip over Freedom Summer—Don’s date talked about Chaney, Schwerner and Goodman, but mired as he is in his own mix of entitlement and pity, Don’s so disconnected from that reality on that it hardly registered. The date sequences were really well done.

From what I’ve read, Sal and Kinsey and Ken are gone. I liked the characters, too, but keeping them given the new changes wouldn’t really work. I’m hoping we’ll see a cameo from them now and then.

Comment #10: Gracchus.  on  07/28  at  12:07 PM

I was disappointed that the show skipped over Freedom Summer and Dr. King winning the Nobel Peace Prize, but hopefully, we’ll see more of Sal.

I don’t know about Sal, but I think the civil rights movement is going to come into the show a lot this season.  Don’t forget, Don’s date says that she went to school with one of the (white) Freedom Riders—the movement is starting to cross over into white culture.

Comment #11: Mnemosyne  on  07/28  at  12:07 PM

I think BadMommy fell right in with the theme of openness.  BadMommy was kind of tolerated and hidden in previous seasons, but now BadMommy is being discussed by others, and it will likely lead to a discussion with BadMommy about her mommy skills and perhaps some revelations about her own upbringing.  (“Bringing Up Betty”, the story of two people raising a housecat…shades of Hepburn and Grant).

I don’t get the deal with Henry.  I thought Henry was some bigtime player and had real ka-ching.  What’s he doing in another man’s house with the other guy’s ex-wife.  You’d think pride would play a part in some of his actions, but he came off as a weakling in that episode with no pride at all.  He’s living on another man’s money.  Okay, so that isn’t hard to believe of someone in politics, but he really is looking creepier than previously imagined.

Sally is gonna have some serious drug experiences when she gets to be sixteen (I envy her because she is approaching them rather than viewing them through the prism of age).  Sally will wind up in the Haight.  Bobby is going to be a major league baseball fan and have a car dealership.

Comment #12: DBK  on  07/28  at  12:09 PM

And I was struck again by what a bad mother Betty is.  You usually see either saintly mothers or abusive mothers, and she’s neither one of those.

Even by the standards of the time, she’s a bad mother. Even Henry’s mom, who’s no prize in the TLC department, recognises that.

That said, like you I like the more nuanced approach. Betty, as awful as she is, isn’t a villain—she’s just someone who never should have had children, but was essentially forced to. Had she been born 10 years later (i.e. Peggy’s age), she might have been a happier person.

Comment #13: Gracchus.  on  07/28  at  12:13 PM

Ken’s still around, Aaron Staton is listed in the opening credits.  It looks like Sal and Kinsey are both gone.  And while both characters had some nice moments, I am totally fine with that.  However, it seems like many, many fans will miss Sal.  Personally, I thought Sal started out as the show’s worst character (those goofy lines in the Pilot episode about “someone might be one way and act the complete opposite, how ridiculous!” ::hand wave::), but steadily improved as the show went along; became good in small doses, and I think “Wee Small Hours” was a world-class (tragic, of course) exit for him.  Though tons of fans want more Sal, I’m not sure what they think the show should do with him.  He’s obviously a sympathetic character in some respects but is quite cruel to his wife.

Comment #14: Dan Watson  on  07/28  at  12:14 PM

I don’t get the deal with Henry.  I thought Henry was some bigtime player and had real ka-ching.  What’s he doing in another man’s house with the other guy’s ex-wife.

He’s a political bagman and fixer for Rockefeller. He probably comes from a family like Pete Campbell’s—good name, lots of connections, lots of polish, but not what they once were money-wise.

Added to that, Henry also tends to follow the orders of the women in his life, even when they don’t make sense in his mind. A small protest (“we don’t need to put the dining table wings away” or “Don is right”), but after that he defers.

Comment #15: Gracchus.  on  07/28  at  12:18 PM

A couple people already mentioned this, but I was struck by the change in Peggy.  She seemed so much less tentative and comfortable in her own skin.  She’s tried to stand up to Don before (e.g. asking for a raise), but not usually successfully, and in this episode she almost treats him as an equal.  In particular, her apology at the SCDP offices for running the ham-scam was almost a non-apology.  Moreover, she actually talked back to Don when he pointed out that she brought a friend to with her to pick up the bail money in the (false) hope that Don wouldn’t embarrass her in front of him: “Well, at least I’m thinking ahead”.  That Don’s seemly been on a downward slide probably helps narrow the distance between then, anyway.

Comment #16: topometropolis  on  07/28  at  12:19 PM

In particular, her apology at the SCDP offices for running the ham-scam was almost a non-apology.

To a degree, her chiding “we’re all here because of you” is telling Don that he, as a leader, is no longer exempt from those games. And sure enough, by the end of the episode, he’s running his own PR newspaper scam with the WSJ, going on about the start-up’s imaginary second floor.

Moreover, she actually talked back to Don when he pointed out that she brought a friend to with her to pick up the bail money in the (false) hope that Don wouldn’t embarrass her in front of him: “Well, at least I’m thinking ahead”.

That was a nice touch, especially considering the manner in which she bailed him out after the car crash with Bobbi.

Comment #17: Gracchus.  on  07/28  at  12:30 PM

I didn’t take Don’s temper tantrum at Jantzen as calculated at all.  I thought his story line in this episode was that he was in a funk.  He botched the Advertising Age interview—since when has he ever been humble with people in the business—and he won’t force the issue with the house and his ex.  Like Gracchus said above, his shouting “get out” was what he really wants to say to Betty but he hasn’t yet found his gonads.  Bert was right, in the business sense, when he scolded Don.  Peggy’s saying they’re all there because of him was saying, “Hey boss, we need you to get back on your game.”  I took the final scene as a statement that Don’s mojo is back.

Comment #18: MiddleageLiberal  on  07/28  at  12:37 PM

The Jantzen pitch was primarily about the choice SCDP has to make about their direction as an upstart.  Notice the running bit about them only having one floor in the new building but pretending there’s a second floor- just as the Jantzen ad blacks out the “second floor” to create buzz and sizzle.

Comment #19: Kubricks Rube  on  07/28  at  01:01 PM

Betty, as awful as she is, isn’t a villain—she’s just someone who never should have had children, but was essentially forced to. Had she been born 10 years later (i.e. Peggy’s age), she might have been a happier person.

I agree. I’ve been waiting since the first episode of S1 for 1963 to roll around so she could get her hands on a copy of The Feminine Mystique and have her awakening. I really don’t think her character’s first name is accidental, and she’s inching forward. It’ll take a separation with Henry, but her tenuous financial position, her unhappiness, her embryonic self-awareness and last year’s Year of the Friedan are beginning to cohere. This, after a S3 in which she was told by her husband to “take one of your pills”, and lamented her lost anthro degree (which is more interesting than her lamenting her lost city-girl/model status in S2). Husband and children simply aren’t doing it for the Betties of the early 60s; dissatisfaction is her major character trait. Betty is an important counterpart to Peggy—the two main forces of the American middle-class second wave (in broad cultural memory at least) were the awakened housewife and the wonderfully willful working girl.

Well, that’s one of my hoped-for plot turns, anyway.

Comment #20: Ranylt  on  07/28  at  01:04 PM

Hopefully, we’ll see Bryan Batt do other things, because he really stole about every scene he was in.

He was one of the photos in The Advocate magazine’s “A Day in Gay America” photo feature (showing everyday moments from gay people’s lives around the country).  The caption unfortunately doesn’t say anything about acting gigs in the future:

3:40 p.m., New Orleans. In a “sumptuously designed” home on St. Charles Avenue, actor, designer, and author Bryan Batt is “hard at work on my second book, Mad for Design, editing photos and other transparencies. It will be a coffee-table design book featuring beautiful rooms I love and why. It’s not far off from my other business, Hazelnut, a fine gift and home-accessories shop that I co-own with Tom Cianfichi, my partner of 21 years. Yes, that’s right; we met in kindergarten.”

His photo really appeals to me too.  Here’s the link for the photo feature, if anyone’s interested.  Bryan Batt is Photo #20

Comment #21: CalliopeJane  on  07/28  at  01:19 PM

I see Betty continuing to live in bitter denial, knowing that the suburban life is what makes her so miserable but utterly unable to get the courage to take herself out of it.  Leaving Don was her chance to change, and she didn’t.  She simply latched on to yet another man to take care of her.  I feel horrible for their children, because it’s obvious she was never meant to be a mother (Don wasn’t meant for it, either).  She so often takes it out on them.  And her new husband very clearly wants nothing to do with these kids.

My favorite character on this show continues to be Peggy Olsen.  She bucked the system and continues to grow as an independent woman.

Comment #22: Blitzgal  on  07/28  at  01:30 PM

I thought this contrasted greatly with the sex scene with the sex worker - when he is being intimate with another person, Don wants to be slapped around (we got into a discussion about why and what this means over at my place - please come weigh in if you’ve any thoughts).  The division between what Don portrays and who Don is grows ever wider.
Comment #2: Gayle Force on 07/28 at 10:18 AM

Don feels has to counterbalance his aggression towards others with self-aggression, but conveniently this is performed for him sexually.  He’s “topping from the bottom”—note how he calls the shots even as she slaps him.  “Harder.”

it’s still pretty amazing how people can’t process the complexities in the characters and figure out that there’s a little more going on under the glossy surface.
Comment #3: Mighty Ponygirl on 07/28 at 10:31 AM

Word.  But this isn’t any different from discussions of other complex, character-driven shows.  The televisionwithoutpity forums on The Sopranos, for example, seemed to include both analysis and “whee he wacked him good.”  But it is boring.

Betty is now dominant in initiating sex.
Comment #5: jackspratt on 07/28 at 10:51 AM

Er, no, Henry didn’t respond well to that, he was tired or sommat, despite Betty’s gorgeous nightgown.  He liked initiating sex himself with her in the car at the start of their getaway instead.

Did anyone else initially wonder if the reason they weren’t waiting for the kids when Don returned with them was that they left the car running in the garage and died of CO poisoning in faux flagrante delicto?

Comment #23: oldfeminist  on  07/28  at  01:35 PM

oldfeminist, I noticed that Henry was okay with sex until they were interrupted by Sally in the hallway.  When Betty got back to bed he wasn’t in the mood anymore, and suggested that they “get away” without the kids.  When they were in the car, the kids were gone and they were alone.  Suddenly he’s into it again.  I think he seriously resents those kids and see bad things ahead with this relationship.

Comment #24: Blitzgal  on  07/28  at  02:07 PM

Sal’s out.  He was an illustrator by trade in an industry that’s moving to photography.  He tried to make the move, and for bullshit reasons, was pushed out.  I think he’s supposed to be considered a casualty.

Comment #25: Amanda Marcotte  on  07/28  at  02:32 PM

I was struck by all the table imagery: the missing conference table, the fractured family at the Thanksgiving table, Henry and his mother shortening the table, Peggy being perched on a table, the Jantzen man putting his feet on the SCDP table, the AdAge reporter knocking against the table.  Not sure what it means, but it stood out.

Comment #26: BetsyD  on  07/28  at  02:37 PM

Also, the kid in Don’s ad hiding under the table.

Comment #27: BetsyD  on  07/28  at  02:56 PM

Re: Betty—it never sits quite right with me when people say, “Oh, Betty should NEVER have had children; she’s such a TERRIBLE mother.”  It’s such a damning thing to say, and falls into an unproductive all-or-nothing way of thinking about motherhood. One of Mad Men’s strengths is that it suggests we not blame crummy parenting simply on personal character defects, but that we consider the impact of a person’s environment, upbringing, economic position, and relationships.

Maybe Better would have actually enjoyed motherhood and been a more attentive parent if she’d had a meaningful career outside the home, and a happier marriage, and perhaps just one child instead of three, and was not stuck in Ossining…there are so many variables.  I don’t think it’s fair to write her off entirely, though I do think it’s fair to say she obviously isn’t thriving as a parent UNDER THOSE CIRCUMSTANCES.

Comment #28: Pomme  on  07/28  at  03:04 PM

Pook, the writers and actress have said Betty shouldn’t have children. I think her character has long been a commentary on the evils of mandatory motherhood.

Comment #29: Amanda Marcotte  on  07/28  at  03:26 PM

What was with Roger’s all white office? It was jarring.  Even the outer offices had colorful furniture, but his was all white. It looked like one of those Trading Spaces designers had gotten a hold of it or something. .

Also, I bought the episode on itunes, and just now discovered it free on the AMC site.  If I wait for a few days, can I always get it for free?  Anyone know?  We gave up cable so I am still figuring out how to get my Mad Men.

Comment #30: kajey  on  07/28  at  03:42 PM

Bryan Batt has two movies coming out—he’s high up in the credits for one, and apparently, the star in the other.

Either could be underpaid independents with little hope of distribution, but I guess we’ll see on that.

http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0061262/

Sal was not just an “illustrator” at Sterling Cooper, he was the Art Director.

Which means Sal would be assigning freelance illustrators and photographers and overseeing all the art work in ads: he might assign himself to the juicy projects, but no art director would have the time, or the skill, to illustrate all the styles required by an agency.

However, by directing that Patio commercial, as Don pointed out, Sal now has film of his work as a commerical director.

He can now either freelance for multiple agencies, or get hired on staff as an Art Director who also directs commericals.

The early ‘60s were also the time that creative teams of word guy with visual guy reigned: if Bryan teams up with the right word guy he could become famous in the field.

http://blogs.wsj.com/speakeasy/2010/07/27/mad-men-the-promiscuous-mingling-of-art-and-copy/?KEYWORDS=speakeasy#

Comment #31: judybrowni  on  07/28  at  03:51 PM

As for episodes being availble on the AMC site: you can’t depend that they will be.

Usually, it’s just the opening episode and/or closing episode of the season—other than that, there’s no rhyme or reason to whether an episode will air on the site.

Also: sometimes all the episodes are available On Demand, sometimes not.

Comment #32: judybrowni  on  07/28  at  03:55 PM

Did anyone else initially wonder if the reason they weren’t waiting for the kids when Don returned with them was that they left the car running in the garage and died of CO poisoning in faux flagrante delicto?

I must admit that I did, even though I knew that would be too dramatic for the writers. I do like things as they were: a wife and her second husband pushing their tipsy weekend away from her inconvenient and unwanted kids as late as possible.

It takes some doing to make a divorced guy who spends his weekend with the kids working while he parks them in front of Sky King seem like the more attentive and loving parent, but I’ll be damned if Betty doesn’t manage it.

I was struck by all the table imagery

One more for you: several shots of Don working at the coffee table in his furnished apartment in the Village. Not sure what it means, either—perhaps a play on “what you bring to the table” (assuming you have one). Lots of shoes, arses, bottles, yacked-up sweet potatoes, and other inappropriate objects on those various tables, too.

It looked like one of those Trading Spaces designers had gotten a hold of it or something.

Close—his lovely young Mrs. Sterling 2.0. For ladies of her status, interior design is a traditional alternative to lunch and shopping. And based on what we know about Roger, as long as it’s well put together and tasteful and expensive (which his office is) he’ll happily roll with it.

Can’t wait to see Bert’s office. I hope he kept the iconic “Dream of the Fisherman’s Wife,” the Rothko, and that he continues to make his guests remove their shoes.

Comment #33: Gracchus.  on  07/28  at  04:10 PM

Maybe Better would have actually enjoyed motherhood and been a more attentive parent if she’d had a meaningful career outside the home, and a happier marriage, and perhaps just one child instead of three, and was not stuck in Ossining…there are so many variables.

All variables you mention—no job (ha!), life in an idyllic suburb (like the prison town), a happy marriage (the blissful ignorance that comes from accepting that what happens to hubby in the city stays in the city), several adorable moppets (birth control and abortion being the terrain of fallen women)—are considered features rather than bugs in that time’s conception of ideal (i.e. mandatory) motherhood.

Sure, maybe Betty would have been happier with one kid, living in the city and working at a career of her own. At the time she’d also have been considered a downwardly mobile beatnik by her peers and family.

Comment #34: Gracchus.  on  07/28  at  04:20 PM

Pook, you sound dangerously like the sort of person who, when I say “I don’t want kids” tells me that I haven’t hit the magical combination of circumstances when suddenly I will want them.

Comment #35: Mighty Ponygirl  on  07/28  at  04:22 PM

Regardless, Sal is meant to be a casualty, an example of how the times chewed people up and spit them out.  (And still do.)

Comment #36: Amanda Marcotte  on  07/28  at  04:25 PM

casttv.com usually free if seen before the next episode.

Comment #37: LCforevah  on  07/28  at  04:30 PM

In Don’s glowing account of the way they got away from Sterling Cooper, I could hear the end game of that kind of journalism, which is a nation of assholes enjoying Lindsay Lohan’s personal crisis

[...]

But perhaps I’m overthinking it.  The era of holding your cards so close to your chest didn’t do much for people’s well-being.  The benefits of a culture based around individual stories and even gossip have been profound, as well

I know what you’re saying, but your first impulse is closer to the mark. Those individual stories and gossip are BS more often than not, a direct and increasing result of the world and culture created by Don Draper and his corporate colleagues.

The high note of rock music as the episode went out was there to encourage us to view this new personability with enthusiasm; we’re meant to feel its liberating effects.

I read the choice of song at the end a bit differently. “Tobacco Road” is definitely a liberating tune (originally a British Invasion one), but the title connects with the fact that the firm still depends on Lucky Strikes for 70% of its revenue, and the lyrics tell the story of a man who wants to start over (laying out this season’s major theme) by somehow getting rich and who hates his past and where he comes from to the point where he wants to blow it up. “Liberating” in the Don Draper sense of the word isn’t a particularly positive concept.

Comment #38: Gracchus.  on  07/28  at  04:32 PM

Your reference to the “personal” stories that were a linchpin for the Women’s Liberation Movement in the late ‘60s, brought to mind that key phrase “the personal is political.”

The women involved in the anti-war movement were sneered at when they began to apply the same activism to women’s issues: “that’s just personal.”

“They could sometimes admit that women were oppressed (but only by “the system”) and said that we should have equal pay for equal work, and some other “rights.” But they belittled us no end for trying to bring our so-called “personal problems” into the public arena—especially “all those body issues” like sex, appearance, and abortion. Our demands that men share the housework and childcare were likewise deemed a personal problem between a woman and her individual man. The opposition claimed if women would just “stand up for themselves” and take more responsibility for their own lives, they wouldn’t need to have an independent movement for women’s liberation. What personal initiative wouldn’t solve, they said, “the revolution” would take care of if we would just shut up and do our part. Heaven forbid that we should point out that men benefit from oppressing women.

Recognizing the need to fight male supremacy as a movement instead of blaming the individual woman for her oppression was where the Pro-Woman Line came in. It challenged the old anti-woman line that used spiritual, psychological, metaphysical, and pseudo-historical explanations for women’s oppression with a real, materialist analysis for why women do what we do. (By materialist, I mean in the Marxist materialist (based in reality) sense, not in the “desire for consumer goods” sense.) Taking the position that “women are messed over, not messed up” took the focus off individual struggle and put it on group or class struggle, exposing the necessity for an independent WLM to deal with male supremacy.”

http://www.carolhanisch.org/CHwritings/PIP.html

Comment #39: judybrowni  on  07/28  at  04:36 PM

I don’t disagree that Sal was chewed up and spit out: and that he still has to deal with the dilema of whether or not to be out at work, and honest with his wife.

The lesson he learned wasn’t a good one: as a homosexual he can’t win, out or in.

Comment #40: judybrowni  on  07/28  at  04:40 PM

Pook, the writers and actress have said Betty shouldn’t have children. I think her character has long been a commentary on the evils of mandatory motherhood.

Fair enough. I guess I just like Sally and her brother, and feel bad for Betty, especially when people (not necessarily here) keep dumping on Betty for being spineless and somehow innately deficient as a person—and then my imagination gets going trying to come up with a set of circumstances under which they could all live more happily (although as Gracchus points out, the urban beatnik life would definitely be the downwardly mobile option).  I’m still mad her doctor wouldn’t offer her an abortion.  There’s no winning, hah!

Mighty Ponygirl, do not worry. I would never, ever tell someone who does not want children that s/he’ll one day want them.  Ever.

Comment #41: Pomme  on  07/28  at  04:57 PM

I have very little patience for people dumping on Betty. On another forum I just got told off for suggesting to someone who didn’t want to see her onscreen anymore that maybe Mad Men isn’t the show for him.

When you compare how Don and Bets made out—Don really should be the one who is “the loser.” He lost his house, his wife, and his children, all in one fell swoop. And these are things he WANTED. Bets may not have been signed onto the American Dream, but Don was. While he occasionally chafed, he loved his wife, he loved his kids, and he loved that house.

For as much as she came out the winner, she’s going to lose in a big way. Henry is a disappointment, she’s doubling down on a lifestyle she doesn’t want, and her daughter is getting a head start on her teen rebellion years. Don at least has his work and he can hire a maid and a prostitute to fulfill the essentials of what he feels he needs in his home life. And he gets the kids on the weekend and probably gets about as much face time with them that way as he did when he was married.  And he always got the emotional and intellectual fulfillment from his mistresses anyway.

Comment #42: Mighty Ponygirl  on  07/28  at  05:08 PM

Your last paragraph is right on, Mighty Ponygirl (#42). It all goes back to what Peggy said to Don in S3, after he rejected her request for a raise: “You have everything. And so much of it.”* His privilege (not just gender but his masculine-ideal appearance and presence) is his guardian angel—it can keep him afloat for a while.

* One of the best, most thematically telling lines in the entire series so far.

Comment #43: Ranylt  on  07/28  at  05:52 PM

I’ve always been Team Betty.  She’s a petulant, spoiled child, but the show has never wavered in making it clear that’s what you get with the raw materials that were poured into the making of Betty—-that one benefit of giving women more opportunities is you get better human beings out of it.  One of the most favored anti-feminist trolling techniques is to suggest that giving women rights will coarsen women, make them “unfeminine” and hard, turn them into all these bad things men supposedly are.  “Mad Men” is arguing the opposite—-that sexism makes women hard and narcissistic.  It’s a theory that owes more to Simone de Beauvoir than Betty Friedan, and I think it’s absolutely true.  Sexism makes narcissism a coping mechanism.

Comment #44: Amanda Marcotte  on  07/28  at  06:18 PM

I have very little patience for people dumping on Betty. On another forum I just got told off for suggesting to someone who didn’t want to see her onscreen anymore that maybe Mad Men isn’t the show for him.

This sounds like the kind of person who watched The Sopranos soley to see who’d get whacked that week and to imitate the Goodfellas clothes and jargon. That attitude, which I’ve also seen on some blogs, amounts to “cool, now we can watch Don rut his way through Manhattan and hang at his space-age bachelor pad without having to deal with his pill of an ex.”

Sorry, but no. Don and Betty live in the same metropolitan area and have kids together, and she’s just gonna vanish like Chuck Cunningham? Expecting a divorced parent to have no contact with an local ex is ridiculous enough, but Betty is a critical character in the show who drives major plot and thematic aspects. Without her, it wouldn’t be worth watching.

Equally ridiculous, is that Don will become some new version of Hef. After all, he’s no longer screwing around with mistresses who don’t expect him to leave his wife. And he’s not James Bond, either.

No, he’s a newly single man trying to screw around with dates who are, in those times before the sexual revolution, ostensibly looking for something more serious, and who (like his date in this episode) are wise to his gambits.* If he wants to replicate what he had with the mistresses and cheap pick-ups, he’ll have to pay a pro, which is exactly what he does.

* [One thing that seemed off to me about that was that I was under the impression that men weren’t allowed past the lobby of the Barbizon in any case. But maybe that’s the point—she already knew he wouldn’t be able to walk her upstairs and set the limit clearly in the cab.]

And he gets the kids on the weekend and probably gets about as much face time with them that way as he did when he was married.

That will be an interesting difference for recently divorced parents. My generation grew up at a point where divorce had become socially acceptable, but where custodial arrangements were weekends with dad (i.e. still working off patriarchal assumptions). Now that we’re getting divorced ourselves, the trend (at least in my limited circles) seems to be toward joint and equal custody, where the dads do the same parenting tasks as the moms, where both parents work, and where both parents can take a full week away from the kids to focus on grown-up activities and relationships.

That wouldn’t eliminate fraught situations like Betty and Henry’s disastrous Thanksgiving dinner, of course, but it would help with some of their issues.

Comment #45: Gracchus.  on  07/28  at  06:49 PM

totally agreed about betty.  you’re supposed to see how she got this way and how the rigidity of gender roles at the time created the monster, so to speak.  not that betty is a monster, obviously, but certainly childish and petty.  coping skills, IMO.

the scene with don and the sex worker really made me sad.  and that’s a scene that, under different circumstances, would have probably been super hot.  i’m wondering how much of that was born out of don’s self-loathing and loneliness and other psychological baggage (oedipus, anyone?) and how much was a legitimate expression of things that turn him on, because the sex worker herself more closely resembled don’s various mistresses than betty.

Comment #46: chareth cutestory  on  07/28  at  07:02 PM

It’s also important to remind people about what the Series Premier did—having recently jumped on the Mad Men bandwagon, it’s still fresh in my mind.

Don Draper is seen doing his super-cool Ad Man thing for 39 of the 40 minutes of the show—drinking in his office, sleeping on his office couch, fucking his mistress. The reveal of the show, the shocking last minute, was that he was married with two children, and that he loved his children very much, and sat in their room after they had already gone to bed watching them sleep. We can’t expect Don to just take up the Playboy lifestyle because Bets is no longer waiting at home for him. While he may not spend lots of dialog lamenting this, his life if those kids, and they’re with Bets. Oh yeah, we’re going to keep seeing Betty and Henry. The idea of dad getting custody (not that Don would be prepared to be sole custodian) is at least another decade away. In the meantime, his love for his children is going to keep him in low orbit over the Betty trainwreck for a long time to come.

Comment #47: Mighty Ponygirl  on  07/28  at  07:03 PM

Being a middle-aged fart, I knew there was a historical context for the John/Marsha bit, but couldn’t remember the details.  Youtube supplied the details.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pcDiB4y9oOE

Comment #48: DBK  on  07/28  at  07:32 PM

For as much as she came out the winner, she’s going to lose in a big way. Henry is a disappointment, she’s doubling down on a lifestyle she doesn’t want, and her daughter is getting a head start on her teen rebellion years.

MightPonygirl - I have to agree. It’s going to be very interesting to see how this is all going to pan out. I thought the scene between Henry and his ex-wife was pretty telling in many ways.
I’m looking forward to Betty finally taking the reins a bit and doing something with her life that’s not attached to a guy.

I can’t wait to see what a-holery Pete has in store for us this season… actually I look forward to seeing the delightful Alison Brie as Trudy again - I hope Community starts soon too. Double Brie! :D

Comment #49: Danica Lefse Queen  on  07/28  at  07:49 PM

@Danica - that was Henry’s mother, not ex-wife.  Why would his ex-wife be at Thanksgiving?

Comment #50: Mimi  on  07/28  at  08:38 PM

I remember the soap opera parody “John, Marsha” comedy bit playing on the radio, in the early ‘60s.

Yes, Freberg may have first released it in 1951, but “The Best of Stan Freberg” came out in ‘63 or ‘64.

Much of Freberg’s satire can seem dated now—but as a dig at over-emoted, but dull, soap opera dialogue, “John and Marsha” still works.

Freberg flitted between performing for and writing radio, TV, and film to create memorable commercials, into which he injected his own light hearted sense of satire.

“Stan Freberg is usually credited as being the first person to introduce humor into television advertising with memorable campaigns. Freberg felt a truly funny commercial would cause consumers to request a product, as was the case with his elaborate ad campaign that prompted stores to stock Salada tea. The owner of Jeno’s Pizza Rolls had to pay off a bet over the success of a Freberg ad campaign by pulling Freberg in a rickshaw on Hollywood’s La Cienega Boulevard. Freberg won 21 Clio awards for his commercials.”

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stan_Freberg

So Peggy and her new office pal would be well aware and admiring of Freberg, as would every other body in SCDP.

As of 2008, the 80-something Freberg was still doing voice-over work.

http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0292677/

On a personal note, Freberg was still lively enough to show up for a screening of a film last year—one that dealt with love—introduce himself and his partner to the panel discussion at the end and announce that he’d finally found true love in 2000, so it was never too late!

John and Marsha, at last.

Comment #51: judybrowni  on  07/28  at  10:44 PM

Did Don take Peggy’s idea of staging conflict to generate media buzz? I don’t remember now whether he learned of the Sugarberry fight before or after his tantrum with Jantzen.

Comment #52: snobographer  on  07/29  at  01:06 AM

Betty’s problem is self esteem. She knows in order to survive she needs a man to find her desirable enough to keep her and she hates that about herself. But doesn’t have the emotional intelligence to face that and deal with it, so she takes her shit out on Sally. I think she added armor (did you see that helmet hairdo?) and stepped up her hostilities because it turns out even when she has a husband who doesn’t lie to her and screw around, she still feels like shit. I wouldn’t be surprised if she became physically abusive of Sally. She’s well on her way.

Comment #53: snobographer  on  07/29  at  01:28 AM

Yes, Don pulled his tantrum at the Jantzen prudes after he’d heard about the ham stunt—he followed through shaping the media buzz with a romanticized tale of the birth of SCDP, with himself as the white knight.

Comment #54: judybrowni  on  07/29  at  01:45 AM

Don co-opts Peggy’s ideas a lot. Like she said in the finale last season, “everyone thinks you do all my work, including you.”

Regarding the slapping scene, I read that as artistic shorthand for Don’s self-loathing. Previous seasons that was portrayed through self-destructive behavior like taking reds while driving, or envisioning his father tearing into him about what a waste of oxygen he is.

Comment #55: snobographer  on  07/29  at  03:02 AM

Someone upthread said Sally would become a flower child and Bobby a car dealer. The general consensus among the group I watch it with was that Bobby was going to turn out much, much weirder than Sally. She sees the situation and rebels against it: not atypical for a preteen. He just sits there and takes it all in: weird is normal for him.

Comment #56: felagund  on  07/29  at  10:40 AM

On Monday, Terry Gross interviewed Matther Weiner about the season premiere:

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=128770109

A few observations:

- Weiner seemed to back off on saying Betty is a bad mother, at least in comparison with parenting in general at the time (calling it “parenting by saying ‘go watch TV’”).  He seems sympathetic to the idea that parenting is just flat-out tough, and that it’s impossible to always be a Perfect Parent, so these sorts of outbursts happen.  Personally, I was raised in the ‘70s/‘80s by a single mother in NYC, and the scene at the dinner table felt pretty true to me.

- Before reading Amanda at #44, I was going to say that Weiner was unsympathetic to Betty.  In the interview he all but calls her nacissistic and shallow, saying that her life is built around her beauty, and that her marriage with Don ended once she found out he was from low origins.  After reading Amanda’s comment, I guess the show can still have sympathy for her as well as point out that she’s ended up in a really lousy place as a person.

- Re Gracchus at #45:  Weiner explicitly states that Don has to romance/negotiate his dates now that he’s single.  However, Weiner seems to think it’s universal (i.e., still applies today).

- More generally:  I might be reading it wrong, but I don’t think he’s as interested in social criticism as many fans of the show seem to think.  He’s good at showing social structures, and shocking modern viewers by highlighting those structures that seem barbaric to (some) contemporary viewers, but he seems to simply accept structures that have survived up to today (sex with strings when dating, without when a fling while married; “stages of life” as defined by marriage/children).

Comment #57: NY Expat  on  07/29  at  11:12 AM

her marriage with Don ended once she found out he was from low origins

I seem to recall Betty saying at one point that she always figured that Don grew up poor.  I think that people who say Betty left because she found out the truth about Don are being unfair; she left because she found out that not only is he a cheater, he’s lied to her about his entire life.  How can you trust someone like that?  How do you know that’s the end of the lies?  How do you know he doesn’t have something bigger?

Comment #58: Denise  on  07/29  at  11:51 AM

Weiner and Jones may have created the character, but they can’t create what she “should” or “shouldn’t” do. So, they believe she shouldn’t have children. That’s their opinion and they’re entitled to it, but it’s hardly an empirical fact. Some people believe that disabled people, interracial couples, single women, poor people, and same-sex couples *shouldn’t* have children, but that doesn’t mean everyone has to agree with them.

Comment #59: ttintagel  on  07/29  at  12:17 PM

Denise @58 I completely agree. Don had the chance to confide in Betty all of his “sins”, desires, ambitions, etc., but he treated her as a possession—the beautiful blonde, the house, and the car—and not as a human being. He lost the chance to create the exclusive, private life that committed couples have when they share secrets about their lives that no one else knows. The marriage was over for Betty when she realized that he had shared nothing about vast areas of his life.


Has anyone else noticed that we get plenty of flashbacks to Don’s excruciating impoverished life, so we can all understand why he is the way he is, but very little about Betty’s childhood? I had a narcissistic parent—it doesn’t happen in a vacuum—there is certain types of childhood abuse that create narcissists.

Comment #60: LCforevah  on  07/29  at  12:25 PM

Just occurred to me that, if Don and Betty and Henry were polyamorous, the whole situation would be easier—Don and Betty stay in their family relationship, or Don keeps the kids, or ideally they don’t have to have kids.  Don has his friends and Betty has hers.  Henry wouldn’t have to be a dad to the kids to have a relationship with Betty.  Don wouldn’t have to leave his family to fuck other women openly.  Betty could choose to be as seductive as she likes, with whomever she likes, and see where that takes her without having to put her whole future on the line every time.

In short, it’s not that they’re paired up with the wrong people.  It’s that they’re constrained to the pair up and procreate model.

(Thanks to judibrowni for finding that quote by the way.  “The personal is the political” is used correctly just about as often as “beg the question.”)

Comment #61: oldfeminist  on  07/29  at  12:41 PM

Denise & LCforevah:  Just to be clear, I wasn’t stating my opinion, I was stating what the creator of the show, Matthew Weiner, said in the interview.

Comment #62: NY Expat  on  07/29  at  12:44 PM

I also agree with Denise @58.

One general, not specific to the season’s opening episode, point I would like to make about the show, since we have discussed Sally so much and I brought up Bobby:  those kids have no friends and don’t interact with one another much.  They sit next to each other in front of the television, but they are not very well-portrayed as children when it comes to their childhoods.  Their relationships with their parents are portrayed well enough because those are adult interactions, but you never hear Sally say she wants to spend the day at friend X’s house, or Bobby say he wants to hang out at the park and play ball, and you never hear a conversation between the two of them.  I grant you, it is impossible to show all aspects of everyone’s life, but Sally and Bobby are, ultimately, props, and that is why I don’t think Bobby is weird so much as in “writers’ limbo”.  He isn’t aware because the writers haven’t bothered to make him anything more than a prop.  Sally is only slightly less prop-ish because she gets more interaction time with the adults.  I was about Bobby’s age in the time period of the show and have two older brothers.  We were always playing ball with out friends.  I knew kids who were less social, but they were a lot more social than Sally and Bobby and still had friends.  Sally is at the age where she would, in the suburbs, have had a bicycle and been off to see her friends on her own.  I’m not familiar with Ossining, but don’t they have parks there?  Ball fields?

I also know a couple of children who moved a lot during their childhoods and had few friends but each other.  The boy is a couple of years older than the girl.  Because they had to rely on each other, as Sally and Bobby seemingly do, for same-age interactions, they were each others’ confidantes and best friends.  They talked and interacted all the time.  I would, given the lack of outside children involved with them, expect Sally and Bobby to be the same way and to be closer, but they seem more like props than children, as I said.

Comment #63: DBK  on  07/29  at  01:00 PM

NY Expat, I was reacting more to the way so many viewers seem to forgive Don his sins and not Betty hers.

Even the writing and attitude make Don more a person than Bets.

Comment #64: LCforevah  on  07/29  at  01:59 PM

DBK @63, it reminds me of the way the xtian right uses fetuses and children as props in their effort to control the country’s culture and the bodies of women. They don’t care about children as people.

Having said that, Sally and Bobbie are only seen in the company of adults, to be seen and not heard. Whatever slivers of personality we see are in spite of what’s expected of them, which is part of the drama of the show. They ARE props the way so many children of previous centuries were.

How many childhood programs have the righties developed that fill the needs of children like Headstart? Someone let me know if some state in this union has conservatives actively working to improve the lives of this country’s children.

I’m trying to say that the children as written are symbolic of that era that the righties consider golden, and doing anything different won’t happen on the show or from the right wing agenda.

Comment #65: LCforevah  on  07/29  at  02:13 PM

I don’t think the era of the show is the one the righties think is golden.  The specific period of the show, and the show is VERY specific, is the one where Kennedy/Johnson were the presidents, the civil rights movement was in full blossom, women were beginning to struggle towards a broader and deeper emancipation, rock and roll was changing from three chord/four part harmonies about She Loves me into something more socially significant (Beatniks had just been coopted into the culture via Doby Gillis but On the Road was still subversive, dangerous stuff) and forget what folk music was doing (how many roads must a man walk down—Blowin’ in the Wind was released in 1963), etc.  It is, in fact, the era that the conservatives hate the most because it is the era of social/cultural upheaval.

Conservatives these days are more nostalgic about the 1890s, when Robber Barons were in charge and orphans could be sent to workhouses.

Comment #66: DBK  on  07/29  at  02:32 PM

Speaking of Kennedy/Johnson, wasn’t Henry supposed to be working with Rockefeller on the ‘64 campaign?  I’m wondering if that will get mentioned somehow.

Comment #67: NY Expat  on  07/29  at  03:52 PM

NY Expat: As it’s Thanksgiving in this episode, the ‘64 election is over. Johnson already won, & it wouldn’t have been an election year for Rockefeller; it would be the middle of his second term.

</election history geek>

Comment #68: GSDavis  on  07/29  at  05:20 PM

GSDavis, I meant the ‘64 GOP Presidential nomination campaign, where the Goldwaterites took over the convention.

Comment #69: NY Expat  on  07/30  at  12:26 PM

I mean, it’s not like I’m sleeping with the writers and have some inside scoop on what’s going on with the show, but it’s still pretty amazing how people can’t process the complexities in the characters and figure out that there’s a little more going on under the glossy surface.
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