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Bamboo Review: The Invention of Lying

A number of folks requested a review of the new Ricky Gervais movie The Invention of Lying, and I’m a big fan of Gervais (especially his podcast), and so we went to see it last night.  And it’s one of the most clear-cut examples I’ve seen in a long time where a movie is brilliant for the first half, and then completely falls apart in the second half, and it’s especially disappointing to see Gervais—-who created realistic and even touching romances on his TV series “The Office” and “Extras”—-pull out an egregious Nice Guy® storyline. Plus, Jennifer Garner’s character would have been more fun if it were Tina Fey, instead of shoving the latter into a minor role as a secretary.  Though admittedly, one the points of Garner’s character is she’s outrageously beautiful, and so maybe their hands were tied.  But then again, the part blew, which I’ll get to, so they should have rewritten it and cast Fey, if she’d have them.

This one might make the perfect rental, then.  The first half really sparkles and plays with concept in interesting ways.  See, the movie takes place in a world where there’s no concept of lying whatsoever.  And that’s a broad definition of lying, too.  There is no fiction, no acting, no lying by omission, no euphemism, and there doesn’t appear to be much in the way of fantasy.  In one scene, Gervais’s character asks his friend what they’d do if they could do anything in the world, and it’s clear that this kind of fantasizing is largely beyond their abilities, because in this world, there isn’t such thing as things that aren’t true.  There’s not even words for true or false.  People say exactly what they’re thinking, without even considering an alternative.  (My favorite really might be the cop who states what his bribe is up front, and notes that he has an expensive cocaine habit to pay for to two men he’s pulled over for drunk driving.)  There aren’t really movies, but just film reels of someone reading interesting stories from history.  Advertising is also a lean industry. People order things in restaurants by saying, “I’ll have the salad, because I don’t want to get fat,” or, “I’ll have the filet because I like to show off that I can afford it.” 

Of course, what happens is Gervais’s character figures out how to say things that aren’t literal descriptions of of the physical world.  In other words, he learns to lie, and he does so in a world where everything he says is automatically believed, because there’s no reason not to believe someone if there’s no such thing as lying.  Like in many superhero movies—-and make no mistake, in this world, his is a superpower—-the first half where he tests the limits of his new power are the best scenes.  Except that he’s testing the moral and ethical limits.  Initially, he is only thinking of himself, but when he actually tries to see if he can use this power to get a woman in bed, he suddenly realizes that there are situations where it’s never, ever acceptable to lie.  (The ad sadly reduces this to a cheap rape joke, but it’s not like that at all, and I’d be shocked if Gervais went there.)  After that, he realizes he can lie for good reasons, that white lies and comforting rhetoric can give hope to the hopeless.  Overall, it’s an interesting examination of how not-trueness is not a black and white issue. But it’s also true that lying to people to make them feel better has its limits.  It’s one thing to tell a suicidal man that things are going to get better, even if you have no reason to believe that.  But it’s another thing to tell people there’s life after death and a man in the sky that has a plan.

Oh yes, this movie takes on religion.  And it does it in a surprisingly nuanced, generous way, even while basically sending the message that religion is a big pile of horseshit.  Of course, I imagine a lot of religious people won’t see it that way, because when Gervais’s character ends up inventing religion, it lacks any kind of subtlety, and instead he just makes shit up like, “Everyone gets a mansion when they die.”  But that’s because the running joke is that Gervais isn’t a very good liar, even though he’s the world’s only liar, or maybe because he’s the world’s only liar.  After all, no competition means that you don’t really have to work to make your stories believable or engaging; they just have to be a little more pat than reality.  What you do see is that the urge to believe in life after death is sympathetically portrayed, as is the urge to lie to people and tell them there’s a god and heaven.  But you also see all the ill effects of the lie, and there’s even a little swipe at the way that men given the power to speak for god will often use that to control female sexuality. 


So all that’s great, but man, it takes a turn for the slow and tedious towards the end.  Because the movie is propelled forward by a romance, of course, and it’s one of the most baffling romances in the rom com genre that specializes at dishing up baffling romances.  See, the entire movie, Gervais’s character pines for Jennifer Garner, who is presented as having no redeeming qualities outside of the fact that she’s beautiful and not an evil monster.  Over the course of the film, we discover that she is stupid, shallow, and has no sense of humor outside of the ability to laugh at some of the things Gervais says.  It’s tempting to say that everyone in their world is that way, because there’s not even a modicum of deceit, but they go out of their way to make it clear that she literally has no concept that there’s more to people than surface appearances, and that other people don’t have this problem.  Their world has love and desire in it, and people are perfectly capable of valuing things other than how much money you make or how strong your jawline is.  But her character doesn’t, and when she starts to find herself valuing other things besides status and looks, she’s portrayed as too fucking stupid and simple to grasp what’s going on. 

But Gervais loves her anyway, because she’s hot, and even gives a speech about how he sees more to her than her appearance, though they go out of their way to show there is nothing more to her than her looks.  Of course, he has to peel her off the sneering asshole played, with his usual spark, by Rob Lowe, by throwing a fit and acting entitled to her affection because he sees the real her that doesn’t exist.  I can’t for the life of me think of a better example of Nice Guy® bullshit on screen; this really was perfection.  Loserly dude loves hot chick because she’s hot, doesn’t really notice or care about her personality because she’s hot, decides because she’s hot that she has the personality he wishes she had, and is angry because she’s run off with a jerk who has a shallow, pointless personality like hers.  Who gives a shit? 

The worst part is that it didn’t have to be this way.  They could have made the love interest someone with redeeming qualities, so that you actually rooted for them as a couple, instead of being asked to root for Gervais to finally get that hot piece of ass he so richly deserves because he earned it by tolerating her company long enough to befriend her, even though she’s a maddeningly shallow person.  In fact, because of this plot, the only reason he doesn’t come off as maddeningly shallow is she is so shallow that everyone else looks good in comparison. 

To make it all worse, Garner is an incredibly distracting presence, in part because her botoxed mouth is pursed out so far it’s unnerving, and in part because she portrays the character like a imbecilic alien, whose understanding of the world is on par with someone who got here yesterday, and is slow on the uptake to boot.

It’s a real shame, because the first half of the movie was laugh out loud hilarious, and it really had an interesting, thought-provoking concept, too.  It’s a real shame to see it get dragged down with Nice Guy® bullshit, especially since Gervais has a history of writing about friendships that drift into love where you’re actually rooting for the couple, flaws and all.

 

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Posted by Amanda Marcotte on 12:19 PM • (47) Comments

I actually took a different take on where the movie went astray, although I think it’s related.

It seemed like a cop-out to depict couples in love in the world the movie takes place in, because there’s no room for subtlety.  It’s not clear (especially since we aren’t privy to those loving conversations) how they make it work within the narrow confines of truth-telling the movie presents.

It seemed like the wider point of the romantic plot was that you have to be able to lie in order to see anything other than the surface of people.  In that sense, Garner’s character *is* sweet and kind, by simply being willing to see beyond superficialities, even if she can’t due to the global no-lying magic whatever.

I still thought the romantic plot sucked compared to the rest of the movie, but I didn’t get the entitlement from Gervais’ character.  Maybe I’m just being overly generous to the character though.

Comment #1: Ferox  on  10/10  at  12:34 PM

In the land of the blind, the one-eyed man is king.

of course, that’s a backhanded privilege.

but still, that’s kinda how it goes, just that in the real world, certain people have the privilege of lying and others believing.  IOKIYAAR.  So the movie sounds pretty realistic for a certain part of the population who are *too* fantastical.  It’s not realistic for literal-minded people, because you have to be stupid to be literal-minded in the sense the media portrays as.  Reality is so much more richer than any person’s fantasy, and any world without lies is probably rich in many other kinds of media.  Going back to the fantastical, it sounds like a world full of people in Jim Carrey’s situation in the movie Liar, Liar—people given to fantasy who can’t lie.  A cop (in a society with no liars) who does coke is someone who is extraneous and who indulges in fantasies of confidence.  Cocaine is no less a lie that a mansion in the sky.

Add to the fact that I’ve never thought much of Jennifer Garner (because IRL, so far as I know, she IS that stupid and shallow) and this is a nice warning for me not to see the film…

p.s., now I think about this some more…I suspect that a creative effort on no-lies worldbuilding would probably be rejected by movie-goers in the sense that there would be more disturbing implications of the movie-goer’s ethics/sensibility/sense of the world.

Comment #2: shah8  on  10/10  at  12:59 PM

Way too generous, I think. It was as if it had never occured to her that someone might get something out of a relationship other than status. As we are shown that other people can get more out of relationships, then she had no excuse. Her bullying mother could have been an excuse, but she wasn’t. Garner’s character was sincerely shallow and unbelievably stupid.

Comment #3: Amanda Marcotte  on  10/10  at  01:04 PM

To give a classic example:

The muslim tradition of no graven images has led to some of the most beautiful images, regardless.  From calligraphy to complex designs of lines and architecture.

Can you imagine what photography would be like in a land with no metaphors?  (One has to allow similes—A world with no similes is completely unimaginable to me).  Then how about fashions?  What games would little children play?

Comment #4: shah8  on  10/10  at  01:05 PM

But Gervais loves her anyway, because she’s hot, and even gives a speech about how he sees more to her than her appearance, though they go out of their way to show there is nothing more to her than her looks.  Of course, he has to peel her off the sneering asshole played, with his usual spark, by Rob Lowe, by throwing a fit and acting entitled to her affection because he sees the real her that doesn’t exist.

That’s too bad, but maybe Gervais was making the point that a man so capable of lying to others is also capable of lying to himself.  I haven’t seen the movie tho, so I don’t know if it could be taken that way.

It would be a great way to subvert the rom-com formula—have the Nice Guy get his dream woman and then suddenly realize he was full of shit all along and they’re both miserable.

Comment #5: Sour Kraut  on  10/10  at  01:10 PM

“That’s too bad, but maybe Gervais was making the point that a man so capable of lying to others is also capable of lying to himself”

that was my first thought too, but I havent seen it either

Anybody who has seen the movie have an opinion on this?

Comment #6: jefft452  on  10/10  at  01:27 PM

Nope. They get married and have kids, and she grows just enough through his love to be happpy with fat kids.

Comment #7: Amanda Marcotte  on  10/10  at  01:36 PM

From what I’ve read, I can’t help thinking like they had this great idea for a movie, and just couldn’t find a way to be true to it all the way through.

Comment #8: Punditus Maximus  on  10/10  at  01:37 PM

Plus, Jennifer Garner’s character would have been more fun if it were Tina Fey, instead of shoving the latter into a minor role as a secretary.  Though admittedly, one the points of Garner’s character is she’s outrageously beautiful, and so maybe their hands were tied.  But then again, the part blew, which I’ll get to, so they should have rewritten it and cast Fey, if she’d have them.

I’ve always found Fey more physically attractive than Garner, so this comparison leaves me scratching my head a little.  Maybe Fey’s just more my type.

Comment #9: damnedyankee  on  10/10  at  02:09 PM

Agreeing completely with damnedyankee.  Jennifer Garner, while attractive, is hardly drop-dead gorgeous, and certainly not more so than Tina Fey.  Personally, I find Fey far more attractive.  Garner’s cheeks get on my nerves.  (Also, Fey seems a good deal smarter, which counts for a lot.  Whether true or not, it’s how it seems.)

Comment #10: Whispers  on  10/10  at  02:15 PM

How many romantic relationships do we see in the movie?  There’s the couple that argues all the time (except for a brief period of peace when they’re both happy they get to go to heaven), the couple on the park bench we never hear speak, Gervais and Garner, and Lowe and Garner.

I agree that the romance plot is poorly done, but I think that’s because it was wishy-washy about portraying how awful a completely truthful world would be.  I think Garner is supposed to be slightly better than the norm, and the happy couple on the bench simply undermines that point.  They aren’t really the norm, based on everything else we see.

Comment #11: Ferox  on  10/10  at  02:23 PM

From what I’ve read, I can’t help thinking like they had this great idea for a movie, and just couldn’t find a way to be true to it all the way through.

Which is the story of a frightening number of movies over the past twenty years.  I think we should teach the phrase “bring it back when its done” to producers.

Comment #12: seeker6079  on  10/10  at  02:30 PM

“Nope. They get married and have kids, and she grows just enough through his love to be happpy with fat kids”

The phrase grows through his love makes me feel ill. Ugh. The only things that should grow through love are anatomical. Usually in hollywood its the secondary characters that make the main character grow as a person so I guess that’s a twist. Haven’t see it though.

Comment #13: pharmakos  on  10/10  at  02:35 PM

“Jennifer Garner, while attractive, is hardly drop-dead gorgeous, and certainly not more so than Tina Fey.”

I don’t disagree but in fairness Garner had a show that as far as I could tell was largely about how hot she was. Sure other things were going on in Alias such as stuff exploding and random doublecrossing but mostly there were new revealing costumes and wigs in which martial arts could be done.

Comment #14: pharmakos  on  10/10  at  02:41 PM

Garner is closer to the Hollywood ideal of beautiful: tall, willowy, big eyes, high cheekbones, big mouth.  Fey is more pretty than some kind of otherworldly beautiful.  That, obviously, appeals to a lot of people more, but it doesn’t quite fit what they were aiming at here.

Comment #15: Amanda Marcotte  on  10/10  at  03:48 PM

Ferox, I took the couple on the bench to be evidence that love does exist, or else there’d have been no reason to cram it in.  The arguing couple was evidence that truth-telling doesn’t mean that people don’t have personalities.  I think we’re supposed to assume the world still has people with personalities, people with depth, people with passion, etc.  Garner’s character has none of these things.

Comment #16: Amanda Marcotte  on  10/10  at  03:50 PM

A quick detour back to the take on religion: The line about mansions probably harks back to references to Christianity where Jesus is supposed to have said something along the lines of “In my father’s house there are many mansions.” Sure the line itself seems patently ridiculous, and I haven’t seen the movie so I can’t comment on how effective it is in context, but it was probably meant to point out that religion lies outrageously ALL THE TIME and people just swallow it because it’s been privileged from the get-go in our society. To be fair to Gervais, religion itself usually lacks subtlety in its lying. It has always been one of the prime examples of The Big Lie You Can Get Away With Because Its So Big.

Comment #17: PixelFish  on  10/10  at  04:07 PM

I disagree.

Religion has to speak in code when the prophet of whatever is getting his/her start to deal with oppression.  When a religion really gets going, with Nnth generation leaders pushing for more converts, then it takes things out of context—deliberately.  A religion is usually lying by omission with the responsible party being someone else or deliberately taking advantage of cultural drift.  For example, many of the more interesting things Jesus said has to be taken in context of the Roman occupation and factional politics.  Let the allegories fly over the peasant’s heads usually does the trick, without really getting into lying territory.

Comment #18: shah8  on  10/10  at  05:48 PM

Hmm, not having seen the movie myself, my comments reflect what has been filtered through Ms. Marcotte’s eyes, but I must call into question one of her premises—that only the Jennifer Garner character is shallow in this story. I mean, truth-telling is the premier moral virtue in human beings; it is the highest moral choice we can make, because from it flows all other moral qualities and acts.

If the premise of the story is a world where no one can lie, but must always tell the truth, then aren’t all the people in that world nothing more than enfleshed robots? They are certainly acting mechanical.
So, it stands to follow that all the apparent personality of the rest of that world’s inhabitants is just as unreal and shallow as Ms. Garner’s. She is therefore just an exclamation point to that point. Without choice there is no such thing as personality, no matter what else appears to be going on.

By the same, and opposite token, all lies necessarily flow from the lies we tell ourselves about ourselves. Ricky Gervais is the serpent in the Garden, which mkaes him interesting in a lie-free world, but hardly praiseworthy or admirable. The Garner character is his destiny.

Comment #19: revrick  on  10/10  at  06:08 PM

From what I’ve read, I can’t help thinking like they had this great idea for a movie, and just couldn’t find a way to be true to it all the way through.
Which is the story of a frightening number of movies over the past twenty years.  I think we should teach the phrase “bring it back when its done” to producers.

Actually, I think it’s the opposite problem.  Artists come up with these great ideas, and then the studio puts them through marketing research and test groups and lets USC grads who have never made a movie tell them that the ending needs to be more upbeat to appeal to the 18-48 age cohort.

It’s how movies like “Fatal Attraction” get ruined—Glenn Close’s character originally commits suicide in a way that sets up Michael Douglass’ character to take the fall for her murder…well, market research showed that the audience would like it better if Douglass’ wife shot the cheating adultress whore, so, there you go.  Stronger ending killed in an attempt to gain market share.

It’s why I assume “Knocked Up” ends up with Kathy Heigl married to a man she doesn’t love.  Movies are made to fit to the common wisdom, correctly or not, and no longer follow a single person’s idea or motivation.  All American movies must have happy endings, regardless of how happy that ending would actually make a character.

Comment #20: Caren-Sun-blocking Creator of Animorphic Pancakes  on  10/10  at  07:16 PM

Hmm, not having seen the movie myself, my comments reflect what has been filtered through Ms. Marcotte’s eyes, but I must call into question one of her premises—that only the Jennifer Garner character is shallow in this story.

Well, not, because we see other people have depth to their characters.  Even the boss goes through hell having to fire someone, and we see that the arguing couple is, if making a mistake, at least living a life beyond, “Your clothes are acceptably expensive, please mate with me.”

Comment #21: Amanda Marcotte  on  10/10  at  07:23 PM

Replying to #5 Sour Crout, the original The Heartbreak Kid is like you described.  The immature male protagonist gets the beautiful Bo Derek to like him enough to marry him.  They get married, and by the end of the movie he is left with his original emptiness and she is set up for an empty marriage with him.  I think the moral is that he got what he wanted but it wasn’t what he really wanted, and that he still didn’t know what he wanted and that he was still too superficial and selfish to know what to do next, making more empty relationships his probable future.  I think the story was a warning to women and men about vacuity.  I wish I’d heeded it better!

Comment #22: News Nag  on  10/10  at  07:54 PM

Actually, I think it’s the opposite problem.  Artists come up with these great ideas, and then the studio puts them through marketing research and test groups and lets USC grads who have never made a movie tell them that the ending needs to be more upbeat to appeal to the 18-48 age cohort.

I Am Legend is the recent classic example.  The version they released in theatres, as everyone should know, completely undermines the entire goddamn point of the story because of the tacked-on feel good ending that some test audience preferred.  In this case it even undermines the title.  That’s an impressive level of screwing things up.

Comment #23: KeithM  on  10/10  at  08:16 PM

@PixelFish—I believe it’s accepted now that the line was translated wrong in the King James. It should read more like “In my Father’s house there are many rooms(dwelling places)”, which makes a bit more sense.

Comment #24: Pietoro  on  10/10  at  09:00 PM

Amanda,

So, Amanda, what I hear you saying is that the movie cheated on its original premise. The boss would have experienced no inner conflict whatsoever. He/she would just blurt out, “You’re fired, you incompetent shit,” or “I blew a bundle on the stock market, so to fix my balance sheet you have to go.”

The conflict could come only from other imagined scenarios or mixed needs, but if there was a scene where Gervais’ friend could not even begin to imagine an alternate reality, then how could the boss want/do/say anything but the truth at the moment?

The movie Forbidden Planet played out this world—the Krell invented a machine that would instantly bring to life every wish (truth)—and unleashed the monsters of the id… which lead to their self-annihilation in one night. I think Shakespeare wrote a play about this.

Comment #25: revrick  on  10/10  at  09:16 PM

That’s really not what Amanda said—what she said was that the depth displayed by the visible inner conflict was not present in situations where a good plot would have called for it.

Even if Jennifer Garner’s character really was very shallow, and Ricky Gervais chose to stay with her simply because what he really wanted in his life was a pretty, shallow woman, dealing with that honestly would have possibly been an interesting movie.

Comment #26: Punditus Maximus  on  10/11  at  02:05 AM

that’s a totally unwarranted assumption, about the boss somehow “proving” that Amanda is wrong.

let me give you an example from weird life.
my boyfriend manages a store. all of his employees have worked for him for at *least* a couple of years. he likes all of his employees.
couple weeks ago, one of the employees did something that, down to bases, required that she be fired. my boyfriend did not want to fire her - they have become friends, she needs the job, economy sucks, etc etc. firing her was the *CORRECT* thing - honestly, the ONLY thing - for him to do. he had zero choice in the matter.
he still agonized over it. is *still* agonizing over it, two-weeks later, is in fact trying to find a way to not fire her. but he *has* to.

just because a person is literally incapable of lying doesn’t mean that they don’t realize what will happen. even a lack of “fantasy” canNOT mean that people live only in the now, with no thought to the future at all - if it did, there would never be civilization. civilizations are built on the future.


another thing i question… but a lot differently - to anyone who has seen it. *why* was Garner’s character written that way? she’s not an epic actress or anything, but she is certainly capable of achieving a believable vapid-but-well-meaning woman. from what i am getting, there was no real *reason* for her… personality? or complete shallowness.
so i am sort of appalled by it, really - you’d think the man who “invented” lying and fantasy would be a little original…

Comment #27: denelian  on  10/11  at  04:42 AM

Does the fantasy world have no electronics in it? Without the concepts of true and false discrete mathematics and binary logic would never have been developed.

Comment #28: Tesla Dethray  on  10/11  at  07:16 AM

Does the fantasy world have no electronics in it? Without the concepts of true and false discrete mathematics and binary logic would never have been developed.

Boolean “true” and “false” don’t have to have the overridden meanings of “real” and “fantasy” that they do in English.  One could label them “non-zero” and “zero” and get the same effect with respect to designing digital logic systems.  (/takes off Comp Sci hat.)

Comment #29: tuzemi  on  10/11  at  09:00 AM

Honestly, Amanda, I wonder if a character that vapid would suit Fey’s acting abilities.  She’s extremely quick-witted and dynamic, and it comes through in her acting.  You can tell she’s a competent, in-charge woman.  If you need to cast for an insipid character, I would think you would try to find an actor who could believably portray that level of stupidity, wouldn’t you?  I mean, if it were a male character, I would cast Keanu Reeves in a heartbeat before I would ever consider anybody else.  The man screams vacuousness.

Comment #30: speedbudget  on  10/11  at  09:41 AM

So, Amanda, what I hear you saying is that the movie cheated on its original premise. The boss would have experienced no inner conflict whatsoever. He/she would just blurt out, “You’re fired, you incompetent shit,” or “I blew a bundle on the stock market, so to fix my balance sheet you have to go.”

I fail to understand why you think emotions would cease to exist in a world without lying.  Are you saying that all emotion is faked?  I think the people for whom all emotional reactions are faked are what clinicians would call sociopaths.

I’m really not sure I get your point.  In this world, it’s even easier to see if someone’s decent, deep, kind, or shallow, because they can’t hide anything.

Comment #31: Amanda Marcotte  on  10/11  at  10:43 AM

speed, I guess I was saying that I’d write the character with some spark and personality, so that you aren’t rolling your eyes when he says he “loves” her.  It seemed impossible love someone so devoid of personality.  You want to fuck her body, but that’s not love.  I want rom coms to make me root for the characters, and to get there, they have to not make me hate them because they’re so personality-free.

Fey could totally play a character who has spark and personality and loves Gervais’s character, but is so cowed by a domineering mother that she can’t bring herself to be with him until the big speech at the end.  It would have still been a cliche, but at least you wouldn’t be like, “God, everyone’s so shallow!”

Comment #32: Amanda Marcotte  on  10/11  at  10:49 AM

@tuzemi That’s quite so, but Boolean statements don’t read logically if “zero” and “non-zero” are used. (Curse you, 1 + 1 = 1!) How would we teach the use of if…then statements to beginner programmers if the concept of “false” did not exist?

Comment #33: Tesla Dethray  on  10/11  at  11:05 AM

“False” can read as “incorrect” instead of “a lie”.  For instance, if you’re teaching a small child math and they write that 2+2=22, are they lying, or are they just wrong?

Comment #34: Denise  on  10/11  at  11:58 AM

Yo computer guys?

It’s already established that the writers had only a certain amount of imagination when it came to the whole idea of no lies.  You want a fantasy with numbers and computer stuff in it?  Read a book.  I recommend Rick Cook or Kelly McClough.

Arguing about whether a world created by someone like Gervais would incorporate Boolean logic breaks my head…albeit in a fizzy way (and I’ve hadn’t had my champagne yet).  I suppose it’s fun in its way, like DresdenCodak riffing on philosophy and dungeons and dragons…http://dresdencodak.com/2009/01/27/advanced-dungeons-and-discourse/

Comment #35: shah8  on  10/11  at  01:31 PM

Revrick: Forbidden Planet was based on The Tempest.

Comment #36: Lenina  on  10/11  at  01:48 PM

In a (slight) defense of Garner’s character, I think her shallowness stemmed from a lack of imagination, not from a lack of kindness. She did genuinely care about Gervais’ character and was even perfectly willing to have sex with him, until Gervais gave her the “no sex until marriage” rule in an asshole attempt to keep her from sleeping with the other guy. Her main problem was that she had been told all her life that her purpose was to find to find the best genetic match and make genetically superior children, and she lacked the imagination to question what that meant.

The movie is flawed, certainly. The final scene with its 1950s-that-never-was imagery was particularly grating. But, overall, I liked it and recommend it. It does have some good laughs and it makes for interesting post-movie discussions.

I’ve been surprised that the religious right hasn’t reacted more strongly to this movie. I don’t know if it’s just off their radar screen or what. If they really grasped what it was about, they’d be up in arms.

Comment #37: Phoebe Fay  on  10/11  at  02:54 PM

Loserly dude loves hot chick because she’s hot, doesn’t really notice or care about her personality because she’s hot, decides because she’s hot that she has the personality he wishes she had, and is angry because she’s run off with a jerk who has a shallow, pointless personality like hers.

This sounds like such a brilliant satire of Nice Guyism I really hoped it was. Are we sure it isn’t? Maybe I have to watch to find out.

Comment #38: Seebach  on  10/11  at  03:29 PM

@Denise 1 + 1 does = 1 in Boolean algebra. + is “or” not “plus”.

@Shah8 Good point.

Comment #39: Tesla Dethray  on  10/11  at  03:53 PM

Does the fantasy world have no electronics in it? Without the concepts of true and false discrete mathematics and binary logic would never have been developed.

You could label them as “correct” and “incorrect” and still use boolean logic. This would imply, of course, that in GervaisWorld, people are still able to make the concept of “this person is factually mistaken” which would be different from “this person is lying”.  Science would need this concept, and GervaisWorld is technologically advanced.  Of course I haven’t seen the movie yet.

Personally, I think if they couldn’t lie, they wouldn’t be human. Our very identities are predicated on social deception.

Comment #40: Phoenician in a time of Romans  on  10/11  at  05:44 PM

I don’t know if it’s just off their radar screen or what. If they really grasped what it was about, they’d be up in arms.

It is also relevant that they are genuinely really very stupid.

Comment #41: Punditus Maximus  on  10/11  at  06:55 PM

You wouldn’t lose any meaning in Boolean logic if you used “zero” and “one,” “on” and “off,” or “blue” and “not blue” instead of “true” and “false,” as long as the two symbols are absolutely opposite to each other.

Comment #42: junk science  on  10/11  at  08:27 PM

Sara - I know that.  I used 2 + 2 = 22 as an example of a false that wouldn’t be a lie.

Comment #43: Denise  on  10/11  at  10:55 PM

There aren’t any complex, interesting, and deep characters in this movie and only Gervais’s character comes anything close to it.

Garner’s character is written shallow and stupid because she is not the main character. She is not even in the main character’s inner circle—that would be Frank and the other friend. Those two are the only ones who Gervais attempted to explain the concept of lying too as soon as he discovered it himself. They’re arguably the dumbest of all. Garner’s character is the prize Gervais’s character seeks. He starts out grossly inferior to her and eventually has to prove himself worthy. Usually, once the hero becomes super powerful, he has proven himself worthy. While in this, people have a strangely artificial obsession with ‘good genetics’. But really, it’s no different from the idea that a nerdy guy has to transform himself into a superhero to become worthy of hot women.

In a way this film is no different from Zombieland or Cloudy with a Chance of Meatballs and throngs of other films over the last decade that have been focused around ugly or nerdy white guys with exaggerated life failures who suddenly become super powerful and/or super lucky and prove themselves worthy to the hot woman by saving the world. It seems like every movie is a screenwriter’s personal fantasy.

Male = superhero
Woman = hot

Comment #44: Tony  on  10/12  at  02:44 AM

I’m curious about what the definition of a “Nice Guy® storyline” is. I thought that the definition of a “Nice Guy®” was something more than a nerdy white guy who lusts after hot women—no?

Comment #45: Forrester  on  10/12  at  01:14 PM

I wasn’t trying to say that was the Nice Guy storyline. From what I understand the Nice Guy storyline is where a guy feels entitled to the hot women solely on the basis that he does not act like an asshole, but if this feeling of entitlement isn’t fulfilled, then he becomes an asshole. Another aspect is where the nice guy pretends to have better intentions than the asshole, but he’s really just motivated by lust. The funny thing is, both the pickup artist community and feminist blogs similarly look down on the nice guy for similar reasons. Granted, it’s an impossible caricature to defend.

My post was more about a common movie protagonist archetype than the Nice Guy narrative.

Comment #46: Tony  on  10/12  at  04:15 PM

I think most of Gervais’ work is not understood by the simple minded religious in this country. They’ve never gone to see any of his stuff, so they’re not seeing this one. Ya caint have controversy if the people who regularly cook it up don’t notice what goes on in this movie.

Comment #47: LCforevah  on  10/13  at  05:38 PM
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