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Bamboo Review: Tropic Thunder

imageYou know, I’m glad that disabilities rights activists are drawing attention to the “retard” scene in Tropic Thunder.  It’s one of the funniest moments in the film, and what convinced me to go see it.  Yes, I’m that guy.

Tropic Thunder is a movie of a lot of giggles and a few big laughs, but perhaps more than anything else, catharsis.  It’s painful to sit through the end of the year Oscar season, when serious drama after serious drama comes out in an effort to throw a couple dozen performances at the wall and hopefully get some nods.  It’s even worse to sit through a summer where you, at best, hope that the one or two non-sequels provide a respite from seeing the same actors do the same things over and over again.  Thunder tackles this head on, not always in the funniest way, but consistently incisive enough that even when you’re not laughing, you can’t deny its truth.

Tropic Thunder is a movie about a movie within another movie.  Briefest of plot synopses: the movie is a Vietnam War “go serious” vehicle for Tugg Speedman (Ben Stiller), Jeff Portnoy (Jack Black) and Alpa Chino (Brandon T. Jackson), all paired up with five-time Oscar winner Kirk Lazarus (Robert Downey, Jr., who makes this movie as much as he made Iron Man), a Russell Crowe method acting clone.  As the movie goes off the rails, the director and producer decide that they’re going to make the movie by dropping the actors in the real jungle, and filming what happens - a Blair Witch Projectesque making the movie by having the actors not act. 

Where the movie hits its mark is in the reaction of these acting archetypes to the uncontrolled environment they’ve been placed in - they’re in the midst of a massive heroin operation’s territory in Laos, with the realization dawning on some of them more slowly than others.  Lazarus has undergone a procedure to darken his skin in order to look more authentically black, and his absolute refusal to break character, particularly with an actual black person standing right there, is as great an indictment of the overrated method acting process as anything I’ve ever seen.  Speedman, undergoing a crisis of confidence, takes far longer than he reasonably should to realize what’s going on - not out of the banal stupidity that infects too many of Stiller’s characters, but out of a desire to figure out who he is and why he does what he does.

All of which, of course, leads to the retard scene.
The scene, with the “controversy” surrounding it, is one of the least controversial things imaginable.  It has nothing to do with mocking the mentally disabled and everything to do with pointing out Hollywood’s fascination with mental disability as the key to critical accolades.  Speedman did a movie called Simple Jack, which just from the trailers alone was the kind of offensively simple-minded dreck that’s put out in order for its makers to feel like they’re doing something worthwhile.  The debate that Lazarus and Speedman have is about the value placed on performance within their little enclave, and just how “retarded” you can act in order to get an award.  It’s not mocking those with disabilities - it’s mocking those who exploit disabilities in order to get a statue the following spring. 

And it’s funny, thankfully.

One of the best parts of Tropic Thunder is that it’s a long-form exercise in getting the joke.  Robert Downey, Jr. isn’t in effective blackface to mock black people, he’s in effective blackface to mock actors.  Jack Black isn’t a heroin addled joke of a man to make fun of junkies, he’s that way to mock the way that studios knowingly exploit addiction in manic comic actors (Farley, Belushi, Williams). 

In fact, it’s the movie’s inability to recognize that fact in an unadvertised cameo that leads to the flattest part of the film.  Tom Cruise plays a balding, potbellied producer whose constant stream of profanity and heartlessness are meant to provide some comic commentary on the business side of the industry.  Instead, by the end of the film, you realize that one of the most mockably excessive actors in the world was in the movie…and they never even came close to touching on Scientology, or his meltdowns, or his odd marriage to Katie Holmes or his continual efforts to find Oscar worthy roles or his height obsessiveness or anything that makes Cruise such a controversial figure.  Instead, Cruise is asked a couple of times to do some physical comedy which, when you see him struggling through it, makes you realize that he’s really, really bad at it.  Should there be a sequel, there has to be a way to mock Cruise for his role, which is utterly flat and self-conscious.

Anyway, go see Tropic Thunder.  And just try to pretend that Tom Cruise isn’t in it.

 

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Posted by Jesse Taylor on 09:25 AM • (36) Comments

Great review.  I remember all the talk about Downey’s character long before the movie came out and knew people just weren’t getting the point.  The actors who “lose” themselves in their roles or “totally become” the character to the point if affects their personal lives have always struck me as self obsessed.  Cruise’s character I don’t understand.  Why take an extrememly well known actor and then alter his apperance to be unrecognized?  Just pay some poor start-up actor a quarter of the price instead of spending the cash on the star.  Can’t wait to see this movie.

Comment #1: Olivia  on  08/15  at  10:31 AM

I’m curious to see how disability rights activists who’ve criticized the Oscar-grabbing Rainman roles will react.  I’m guessing favorably.  I suspect some of the critics are parents who find that sort of thing inspiring.  People who get that those roles are condescending might enjoy seeing them sent up.

Comment #2: Amanda Marcotte  on  08/15  at  11:24 AM

I haven’t seen the movie, and I’m glad to hear it isn’t as stupid as the trailers made me expect, inasmuch as I’m always in favor of more better movies and fewer worse ones.  But there’s something about the idea that a Ben Stiller-Jack Black movie is not only not terrible, but is actually smart, that I’m having a hard time reconciling with what I thought I knew about how the universe works.

Comment #3: smadin  on  08/15  at  11:34 AM

Sounds like film based itself on the making of Apocalypse Now (see the documentary Hearts of Darkness) or even Werner Herzog’s Fitzcarraldo.

Comment #4: FT  on  08/15  at  11:57 AM

The New Yorker’s Obama cover was funnier and less offensive.

Ben Stiller should leave irony and satire to Christopher Guest.  Stiller just isn’t cut out for subtle.

Comment #5: TruValu  on  08/15  at  12:04 PM

I would see it, but first i have to read “Black No More” again. Sorry, Downey, Jr. just makes me uncomfortable. Which is weird, because i’m thinking the movie is supposed to be enjoyable rather than, you know, work.

Comment #6: serena kitt  on  08/15  at  12:57 PM

reminds me of the Fast Show’s pointing out of the “Cute Disabled Man”
This is back in ... 1995?
Not excatly a fresh observation in Tropic Thunder but c’est la vie.
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Comment #7: Danica Lefse Queen  on  08/15  at  03:22 PM

I think the complaint that the jokes are old is pretty valid; obsessive method acting (which is really the target of the Downey Jr. role) has been mocked as long as there have been obsessive method actors, as has the academy’s tendency to swoon over stunt performances (the real target of the “Simple Jack” gag).

The Robert Downey blackface stunt actually followed in the footsteps of a really clever film called “Shadow of the Vampire,” a movie about the making of the classic silent horror film “Nosferatu” which suggested that the actor who played the vampire in that film was a real vampire, who everyone thought was an obsessive actor who never left character. 

It’s really tempting to rag on the advocates for the mentally disabled for being too dumb to get the joke, but maybe that’s a low blow.  However, groups like the Special Olympics, which protested “Tropic Thunder” actively participated in movies like “There’s Something About Mary” and “The Ringer,” which trotted a bunch of mentally disabled people onto the screen to serve as sight gags, and then let themselves off the hook with bullshit observations about how the handicapped are sweet and full of joy. 

Also, to compare the “R-word” to the “N-word” is just fucking retarded.

Comment #8: mitchforth  on  08/15  at  03:43 PM

Actually, there is an episode of Extras with Kate Winslet appearing as a guest star in which she says something similar.  She says to Ricky that the easiest way to win an oscar is to “play a mental” or someone with a handicap while she pointed at someone with an ACTUAL handicap.  It was funny (mostly because it was Kate Winslet saying it).  Ricky’s character did not seem impressed.

So it’s not as if this hasn’t been joked about before.  I guess just on the small screen HBO and not the silver screen… that’s what makes the difference.

Comment #9: Izzibeth  on  08/15  at  03:53 PM

“There’s Something About Mary” did not make fun of developmentally disabled people, it made fun of people who make fun of developmentally disabled people.  It was very respectful towards the brother Ryan; you were laughing at the loser boyfriend (Matt Dillon) who told Mary his real love in life was “working with retards”.

Comment #10: fleegix  on  08/15  at  04:20 PM

I agree with almost everything you said, except for the dig at Tom Cruise. I’m with Jon Stewart on this one—his performance is so good, it makes me want to become a Scientologist.

Comment #11: Forrester  on  08/15  at  04:38 PM

You know, the word “retard” just hurts.  There is absolutely no way to disentangle it from the way it has been used and is continued to be used to mock and hurt people who are mentally handicapped.

The kids in my elementary school were probably the only one who didn’t use it when I was growing up b/c I stopped them every time.

I was really happy when that sappy “Live Goes On” show was on, not that I ever watched it, but at least people stopped looking at my brother like he was a freak and actually smiled at us.  The word “retard” dropped out of vogue.

It’s not that mentally handicapped people or the folks who are about them are humorless—I LOVE the South Park episode where Timmy leads a rock band.  “Timmeh!”  The kids just think he’s cool—because he is.  The people who are “concerned” really just want to lock him up out of sight.  It’s funny.

But I’ve noticed for the past 5 years that “retard” and “‘tard” have been becoming more and more popular.  Fuck that shit.  Use a slur from someone who can fight back.

I’m sorry, but you could do a scene mocking the fact that the Oscars tend to reward actors for taking mentally-challenged roles without the word ‘retard’.  And it would be funnier.

No, I’m not seeing it.  Don’t care how funny the rest of it is, every time I hear “retard” is like a kick in the face, and I don’t care if you “mean” it that way or not.  That word has strong connotations, and there’s no redeeming it, especially by people who have no contact with the handicapped. 

Which is why you get an extra “Fuck YOU”  all to yourself, Mitchforth.  The analogy to “nigger” is apt, you asshole, as white people really have no business trying to ‘reclaim’ or ‘repurpose’ that word.  Men can’t redeem “cunt”.  Heteros couldn’t reclaim “queer”. 

You want to use a slur, you take that baggage that goes with the word.  You don’t mean it that way?  Use a different word.

Comment #12: Caren-Sun-blocking Creator of Animorphic Pancakes  on  08/15  at  05:15 PM

I thought Timmy from South Park just had cerebral palsy; otherwise he is sharp as a tack.

Comment #13: liberalrob  on  08/15  at  06:23 PM

Caren, silence yourself.  That was entirely uncalled for.

Comment #14: Damian  on  08/15  at  06:29 PM

I’m not sure that it was uncalled for.  It seems on-topic.  If she’s upset and emotional…. well, yeah, it’s that kind of topic.  Is she only allowed to comment if she displays sufficient ironic detachment?

Comment #15: NBarnes  on  08/15  at  06:35 PM

I’m not impressed with the argument that a joke can only be funny if it has a brand new target untouched before.  If so, I’m out of the business of mocking wingnuts.

Comment #16: Amanda Marcotte  on  08/15  at  06:38 PM

You know, the word “retard” just hurts.  There is absolutely no way to disentangle it from the way it has been used and is continued to be used to mock and hurt people who are mentally handicapped.

Yeah.  That’s the point.  The joke isn’t funny if they don’t use offensive language.  The point of the joke is:

1) The role of the special mentally disabled person is how actors show how deep and sensitive they are, but
2) Since they say “retard”, they’re not really that deep and sensitive.

Use a nicer word, joke falls flat. 

I suspect the SO is being opportunistic.  “Retard” isn’t a naughty word, and they want to be.  And here’s a movie that uses it and is popular, so you can get media attention to your cause by grabbing onto their P.R.  The fact that it’s a nonsensical protest, if you really think about the joke, is irrelevant in the long run, because they got their message out.

Comment #17: Amanda Marcotte  on  08/15  at  06:41 PM

Which is to say that they get that it’s okay to look stupid in the short run, because everyone will forget they look stupid two months from now, but the message—-“retard” is a bad word—-will linger.

I understand the desire to set black and white rules about what is acceptable and not in humor—-it takes the work out of it, and lets us know who is being an asshole right off the bat.  But I refuse to accept categorical rules about humor, that certain words are off-limits or topics.  I flinch every time a feminists says rape jokes aren’t funny.  Some are.  Depends on the intent, the context, and the skill of the joke teller.  If the word “retard” is completely off-limits, then “nigger” absolutely is, which means that many a hilarious anti-racist joke can’t be told on a technicality, leading to a net loss in waking up people to the problem of racism.

Comment #18: Amanda Marcotte  on  08/15  at  06:43 PM

But I refuse to accept categorical rules about humor, that certain words are off-limits or topics.

So in the Chris Rock vs. Mike Richards debate, you’d say that Richards was out of line using the n-word because he wasn’t trying to be funny when he went bonkers, not because he is white so his use of the word has a different (unacceptable) cultural loading than when Chris Rock uses it?  Call this the “Blazing Saddles” position; it’s OK to use taboo language if you’re trying to be funny.  Don Imus would argue that he was trying to be funny, that he didn’t actually think the Rutgers women were “hoes,” yet he doesn’t get a pass.  You see how that’s problematic?  And once you draw a line like that, you’ve made a categorical rule.

We do allow comedy to stretch the boundaries of acceptable usage- to a point.

Your point about giving the word “retard” a negative connotation that will outlast this particular incident is well-taken.

Comment #19: liberalrob  on  08/15  at  07:29 PM

it still sounds like vice magazine made into a comedy to me. i fail to understand how acting totally offensive is ok if you don’t really mean it and you’re just making fun of the people who actually think like that.

but that is totally ok, i don’t expect other pandagonians to go see “sisterhood of the travelling pants 2” even tho i want to really really bad, but that doesnt mean i dislike them as people. it just means that that i don’t process thoughts the same as they do.

Comment #20: jessilikewhoa  on  08/15  at  07:52 PM

No, in the Michael Richards vs. Chris Rock debate, Richards was out of line because he used the word as part of an attempt to quiet a heckler.  To put it another way, he, a white man, used those words to denigrate and silence a black man.  In his own defense, he said that his intent was merely to be outrageous and provocative and that he meant no harm, and if you look at Lenny Bruce’s old “Are there any niggers here tonight?” routine, you could pretend to make a case for that by willfully overlooking Richards’ use of the word in the exact opposite spirit of Bruce’s.

So in evaluating the “retard” scene, the question to ask is “Who is being skewered by the use of the word?”  Is the pointy end of the joke aimed at the developmentally disabled, or at the actors who exploit them to pick up little gold statues while still thinking of and referring to them as “retards”?

Your mileage, of course, may vary.

In the meantime, go check out the above referenced Lenny Bruce routine for an example of how a white man can legitimately use the word “nigger” in comedic fashion, while making a salient and progressive point about language.

Comment #21: Twilight Jack  on  08/15  at  08:18 PM

Yeah, I have to agree with Caren on the use of the word “retard”.  It’s really beyond hurtful to folks who either are or who have friends or loved ones who are developmentally disabled.

So yeah, the analogy to the N word is right on.  You *can* use it in a way that isn’t offensive, but it’s really tricky to do so and will end up being more offensive than not.  The scenes as described sounds like it might be ok.  But considering the casual way that it is bandied about most of the time, I don’t actually think that most people seeing the movie would actually get exactly how much of an asshole the person using the word is.

Frankly, I don’t think there’s been near enough work around getting that term out of general use.  I see liberal bloggers use it all the time, and it makes me cringe every single time.

Comment #22: cola  on  08/15  at  08:23 PM

The fact that an actor seeking self-glorification and acclaim as “sensitive” by playing a mentally-challenged individual would turn around and callously use the slur “retard” when bemoaning his failure to get the Oscar is the point of the joke.  And is funny.

Comment #23: mofo  on  08/15  at  09:03 PM

Sorry, it’s a shit word with baggage.  Is that scene funny?  Could be, but the use of that word would pull me right out of it, as it will many people who have actual experience with these people.

I never said they should be censored or forbidden to use it; I just expressed my dismay about it.  And I told Mitchforth to fuck off for using it condescendingly toward people who find the term offensive. (Still mean it, too, Mitch.  Kisses)

I am not wrong for feeling a word that is used to demean my brother isn’t a word that should be bandied around for the hell of it nor for getting pissed off when people who do use it get upset that someone doesn’t like it.  Will people say it?  Of course.  As I said, both “retard” and “tard” are becoming more and more popular, b/c apparently it’s cyclical, but that doesn’t make it okay. 

You want to use the word “retard” when you think something or someone is stupid, fine.  I will always think “ignorant asshole” when I hear it b/c I’ve never heard anyone with family members who are handicapped or who just works with the handicapped toss it out casually. 

I am quite aware that I am way in the minority here.  Most people are able to avoid the handicapped except for Oscar winning performances.  Doesn’t change the fact that it’s a word that mocks people who are least able to defend themselves.

I suspect the SO is being opportunistic.  “Retard” isn’t a naughty word, and they want to be.

Well, see, here I think “ignorant asshole.” though I may agree with you 99% of the time.  It *is* a hurtful word if you love someone who is retarded.  And you know this b/c you even say it—>the joke falls flat if they use a “nice” word, so you know it’s rude.  But you don’t care, and you want to continue using it, so you belittle the folks who are upset by it.  I don’t think being pissed off at “retard” is a PR position.  It’s my reality.  That word hurts.

Which is why I’m not seeing this movie, even if the joke is done well.  I don’t want to hear it anymore than I already do.  Which is why Tom Cruise may have worn out all my goodwill left over from Rainman.

It’s just ugly and the word will even become more prevalent now which sucks.  I will rail against it, futile as it might be.  It’s not censorship to take offense at offensive words.  Freedom of speech doesn’t mean you can’t be criticized for what you’ve said, and calling it “just a joke” doesn’t make it “okay” or invalidate the offense.

Comment #24: Caren-Sun-blocking Creator of Animorphic Pancakes  on  08/15  at  10:13 PM

You want to use the word “retard” when you think something or someone is stupid, fine.  I will always think “ignorant asshole” when I hear it b/c I’ve never heard anyone with family members who are handicapped or who just works with the handicapped toss it out casually.

i was a pre-teen when my mom went to work at a state facility for the mentally ill and mentally handicapped (i hope i used the right terms and not anything out of date and offensive) and being a pre-teen i tossed around words like tard and retard all the time. then my mom started telling me stories about the residents on her unit and their personalities, like the guy who was obsessed with batman, or the guy who was all about basketball. hearing about these people made me realize just who i was insulting when i tossed around tard and retard, and it wasnt the person or situation i was aiming it at, it was people who were alot like me, with interests and passions, just with brains that work differently. the words fell out of my vocabulary pretty fast.

i’m sorry you even have to explain why its offensive, caren. all the best to you and your family.

Comment #25: jessilikewhoa  on  08/15  at  10:35 PM

Is anyone going to ask how the retards feel about this, and maybe talk to them? Or is everyone just going to talk as if the people that the label sticks to don’t exist, as in talking in manner that suggests you really don’t expect one to be in “earshot” of your exchanges?

I hate the word. In general the label is loaded up with negative meanings. Oh, that video-game was retarded… Oh, the people who authorized the Iraq War are retards… Oh, your ideas are retarded…  ect, ad infinitum, ad-fucking-nauseam.

Yeah, we get it. You hate retards.

But moving on:

As ugly as the word has been made, I don’t think it should be off-limits. There are progressive points that can be made with terrible words for groups of people, when used carefully. And those terrible words can be used to make funny jokes, when used very carefully.

Reading about the scene, it seems like it might be funny and smart, but I’m wary that the joke might actually be that the actors calling each other retards are “acting retarded.” Ha Ha ehem…

Comment #26: r.t.  on  08/16  at  12:24 AM

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Comment #27: gteda  on  08/16  at  04:35 AM

I gotta go with Caren on this.  The “R word” should be avoided because it is hurtful to so many people. Maybe y’all could take some time to think about why you want to use words that hurt people rather than waste time getting defensive about being privileged enough to be able to use the word as “humor.”

Comment #28: pippi's sister  on  08/16  at  03:52 PM

I gotta go with Caren on this.  The “R word” should be avoided because it is hurtful to so many people. Maybe y’all could take some time to think about why you want to use words that hurt people rather than waste time getting defensive about being privileged enough to be able to use the word as “humor.”

So, when it’s used to point out how shallow and manipulative these people are, it shouldn’t, because these people are shallow and manipulative?

If we avoid all use of offensive language, even in situations where people are being offensive, it kind of removes all ability for us to discuss offensiveness.

Comment #29: Jesse Taylor  on  08/16  at  04:26 PM

No, I’m not seeing it.  Don’t care how funny the rest of it is, every time I hear “retard” is like a kick in the face, and I don’t care if you “mean” it that way or not.

If the intent of the speaker is irrelevant, doesn’t that mean you’re the one with the problem?

Or are you asserting that it’s impossible to mistakenly apprehend offensiveness? You remind me a lot of all those people who complained about the word “niggardly.”

Comment #30: Chet  on  08/16  at  08:10 PM

I am not wrong for feeling a word that is used to demean my brother isn’t a word that should be bandied around for the hell of it nor for getting pissed off when people who do use it get upset that someone doesn’t like it.

Except that it’s not being bandied around for the hell of it in this film. That’s the whole point. Look, I’m with you on the idea that the word ought not be used casually or as a slur, but that’s not happening here, and you’re not making your case any stronger by acting as though all uses of the word are even remotely the same.

Comment #31: Incertus, Nacho Daddy  on  08/16  at  08:34 PM

If the intent of the speaker is irrelevant, doesn’t that mean you’re the one with the problem?

Intent of the speaker is irrelevant if what they say is offensive, even if they meant it to be a joke, and that’s why one should be very careful of exactly what one is saying when using terms that generally apply to a group negatively.

The responsibility of what a person says or does is theirs, since if they’ve offended someone, that’s what they did, and a person who takes responsibility for what they say or do will recognize the power they have to hurt, and try not to make the mistake again.

A person who is not responsible is the one who says that those they offend are the ones with the problem.

Comment #32: r.t.  on  08/17  at  04:03 AM

Did anyone complaining about the “full retard” scene actually SEE the movie?

Comment #33: Damian  on  08/17  at  04:34 PM

Intent of the speaker is irrelevant if what they say is offensive, even if they meant it to be a joke, and that’s why one should be very careful of exactly what one is saying when using terms that generally apply to a group negatively.

But that’s fundamentally incoherent.

Firstly it ignores the fact that the speaker’s choice of words is only one-half of the channel of communication. The other half is the listener’s perception of those words, and that’s something the speaker has no control over. You’re putting the onus of avoiding offense completely on the speaker, when it’s surely an indisputable fact that listeners can and do mistakenly apprehend offensive content where none exists, or was meant to exist.

How do you explain the flap when the senator famously used the word “niggardly” a few years ago? That word has nothing to do with black people - never has, it’s from a completely different root - yet, a large number of people were offended. Because they mistakenly apprehended offensive meaning.

The simple fact is that offensive words are offensive only because you’ve been told they are. Everybody’s had the experience of a small child asking her parent what “fuck” means. It’s cute, and we laugh, but it’s a potent illustration of the fact that words like “fuck” and “retard” have no power to offend on their own. It’s only because you’ve been told that they’re offensive that you find offense. It’s the reason why insults and profanity from other languages don’t shock or offend non-native speakers of those languages.

I’m not saying that people who are offended by terms need to “get over it.” But it’s the responsibility of listeners to correctly apprehend meaning. The idea that humor should never be offensive, and that speakers are responsible for every possible interpretation of their words, is obscenely stupid and ignores how human beings actually communicate with each other.

Comment #34: Chet  on  08/18  at  11:06 AM

I absolutely loved Cruise’s performance.  I thought he was hilarious and threw himself into the role so completely that I didn’t even recognize him in the first few scenes.  He’s bad at the physical comedy because he’s an arrogant, white, middle-aged, studio executive appropriating hip-hop culture because that’s what’s considered cool and badass, when he’s actually a great deal cooler and more badass in scenes when he plays an arrogant, white, middle-aged studio executive.

The ‘retard’ scene bugged me.  In part it’s about the cynicism of the movie industry, but it also has a veneer of the kinds of guys who make back-to-back racist/sexist/homophobic jokes at parties and then laugh because they’re ‘liberal’ so they should get away with making them.  It’s possible that the picketers get the joke and are just sick of hearing the joke.  You can’t dictate what other people should find offensive.

Finally, although I can’t fault Downey’s performance, I also can’t help but roll my eyes at a movie in which the young black character talks about how there was one extraordinary part for a black man and the studio cast a white man IN a movie that had a one extraordinary part for a black man and cast a white man.

Comment #35: MM  on  08/19  at  08:04 AM

Just saw it. It’s wonderful. I can’t decide who was best: Stiller, Downey, Black or Cruise. Go see it.

Comment #36: Bitter Scribe  on  08/22  at  12:43 AM
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