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Bamboo Reviews: Milk

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Though it’s been out for a couple of weeks, the theater was packed last night for the showing of “Milk”, and it’s obviously so popular that the Alamo Drafthouse downtown had opened up both screens for it.  And it definitely deserved that turnout, and not just because Harvey Milk is such an interesting character from history.  I have my issues with some of Gus Van Sant’s choices in the past, but he turned out to be the perfect director for this movie for a couple of major reasons.  The most obvious is that he’s comfortable with homosexuality and confident in his film-making, which meant that he portrayed the subculture of the 70s era Castro district with a realistic ease.  But he also had the smarts to avoid certain traps of biopics that make them so often tedious and hard to watch.  He avoided the tendency to render complicated real life people into stereotypes of pure evil or pure good, and he didn’t dwell in sensationalism. 

I kept mentally comparing this biopic to the famous/infamous Tina Turner biopic “What’s Love Got To Do With It”, because the tension between Dan White and Harvey Milk is similar to the tension between Ike and Tina Turner—-the characters don’t know what the audience does, which is that all this is coming to a violent climax.  In “What’s Love”, the filmmakers took the cheap route with this in mind, and walked you through a morality tale that made Tina look like an angelic victim and Ike look like an inexplicable monster, and if you didn’t know the context of the movie, you might walk away wondering how in the hell such an angel loved such a monster to begin with.  But Harvey Milk and Dan White are much more complex people in this movie, and he does this without detracting in the slightest from the heroism of Milk’s life and the tragedy of his death.  If anything, Milk’s very human, flawed personality makes his end even more tragic, because you are seeing a person snuffed out, not some icon of heroism.  Not that we see much of the actual snuffing out.  The smartest choice Van Sant makes in the movie is probably the choice not to dwell on the scene where Dan White murders Harvey Milk, realizing that no display of violence is ever going to capture the swift, nonsensical nature of the act.  By avoiding the bloodshed, he’s better able to drive home the message that the real tragedy is the big gaping hole left where Milk used to be.


Sean Penn’s Harvey Milk is the portrayal of a man who, having tasted gumption, goes full throttle and never really looks back. The typical Hollywood rebel is someone smoldering and often morose, and Milk is a total antidote to that.  In Penn’s hands, Milk comes across as a man whose entire life is remade by rebelling against the closet and stepping into the sunlight.  He never completely drops his nervous mannerisms, but he’s a man energized by just the sheer joy of living a life he thought wasn’t possible in his prior (and briefly rendered) life in New York.  He’s also a chameleon who doesn’t even try to hide his absolute love of the political game, sliding right into favor-trading and P.R. stunts like a man born for it.  That this stuff is the sleazy side that turns most people off politics doesn’t seem to faze him; if anything, using a little deceit to pull a political stunt causes him to go into a fit of back-patting.  But he’s a man who easily distinguishes between the slick lies of campaign politics and the more serious and soul-destroying lies of our society. 

I kept wondering if Josh Brolin is amused by the fact that he’s playing right wing villains in not just one, but two movies this year—-Bush in “W.” and Dan White in “Milk”.  For all that Penn deserves an Oscar nomination for absolutely killing as Harvey Milk , Brolin deserves a supporting actor nod for this portrayal.  It’s a tough line to walk, showing the audience a Dan White who is both smoldering enough that you believe he can blow up and murder but also calm enough that people around him figure he’s mostly normal.  Brolin pulls it off, seething with resentment over problems that remain a mystery, but still normal enough, if off-putting.  Milk solipsistically assumes that White is a closet case, but there’s really no telling.  White clearly suffered from a series of mental issues, and homobigots use this to distract from the main issue, which is that regardless of the source of White’s problems, he chose to focus his rage on that favorite right wing target, liberal San Francisco.  (According to the Wikipedia, White killed himself while listening to “The Town I Love So Well” on a loop. He also had other targets who were also obvious symbols of the liberal agenda in the eyes of a right wing nut.) 

The movie focuses on the fight against Prop 6, called the Briggs Initiative, a law that would have banned not just gay people, but anyone suspected of “supporting” gay people from working as a teacher in the public school system.  The filmmakers certainly couldn’t have anticipated that this movie would come out in a year with a mirror image campaign in Prop 8.  In the movie, Prop 6 is polling really well, and the opponents hold a campaign with the full belief that they’ll lose, only to find that their strenuous efforts send Prop 6 down.  In this past year, opponents of Prop 8 thought they had it in the bag until the last few weeks, ran a cautious campaign, and saw the ban on gay marriage pass.  Watching people onscreen celebrating a victory with such a painful loss in the recent past made me tear up—-it’s been exactly 30 years since the Briggs initiative went down in defeat, and you have to wonder how much progress has been made.  It was particularly frustrating watching Milk lambast his allies who want to send out materials that don’t mention the word “gay” or “homosexual”, and don’t have a single picture of a person who might be directly affected by the Briggs initiative.  Similarly, anti-Prop 8 ads mostly avoided showing actual gay people, instead showing scenes of mostly straight people debating Prop 8 in abstract terms.  Maybe Milk was right, and you really do have to put a human face to the problem.  His idea was a simple one—-if you’re gay, come out to everyone you know, so they can put a face to the issue and know in their heart that a vote for the law is a vote against a friend or a relative.  I’d add that if you’re straight, come out as an ally, and in doing so, talk about gay rights in human terms, not in abstract terms. 

Dan White only got 5 years in prison for manslaughter for a premeditated murder of two city officials.  Few non-wackaloons believe that this wasn’t a travesty of justice that occurred because the jury sympathized with “all-American” Dan White and thought Harvey Milk was a weirdo.  The verdict resulted first in a riot by the citizens of San Francisco, and then by a revenge-oriented police riot in the Castro. The Dead Kennedys, who are of course based in San Francisco, wrote a song protesting the verdict.

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Posted by Amanda Marcotte on 03:31 PM • (73) Comments

That’s a lot of words.

Comment #1: Chance Hobon  on  12/13  at  03:43 PM

You took time to write that?

Comment #2: Amanda Marcotte  on  12/13  at  03:50 PM

Amanda, many moons ago, I watched The Life and Times of Harvey Milk.  I think you should see it if you can and write a review of it as well.

Aww, look, Amanda! You hurt his wittle feewings! Don’t you know that words make stupid people feel bad?

Milk is very high on my list of movies to see. Tomorrow I’m going to try to fill the black hole of boredom that is my Sunday afternoon with a double feature, probably this and Synechdoche, New York.

Comment #4: Dan, Grand High Emperor of Bananas Foster  on  12/13  at  04:01 PM

Going to see it tonight.

Comment #5: Em  on  12/13  at  04:19 PM

I don’t know about Dan White’s trial being a “travesty of justice.”  His defense, after all, was that he had serious psychological problems; it seems fairly obvious that this was in fact true.  It’s also hard to see him as particularly having gotten off easy, given his eventual suicide.

Comment #6: Aaron Boyden  on  12/13  at  04:27 PM

it’s been exactly 30 years since the Briggs initiative went down in defeat, and you have to wonder how much progress has been made.

I don’t wonder, I already know:  a hell of a lot.  Things aren’t perfect by any means, but it’s staggering how far California and the rest of the country have come in the past 30 years.

Comment #7: keshmeshi  on  12/13  at  04:59 PM

Goddamn, WHY ARE THERE SO MANY FUCKING SPAMMERS?  They just pop up when they want to.  This is why I keep saying you need to install some kind of verification system.

Comment #8: Blue Field Damian  on  12/13  at  05:00 PM

I don’t know about Dan White’s trial being a “travesty of justice.”

I’m pretty sure it was, and apparently the police investigation wasn’t much better. White was handled with kid gloves (the police gently thanked him for his honesty when he confessed to the murders). Gay people and other minorities were universally dismissed from the jury pool. If I recall correctly, a witness whom White had told of his intent to kill two MORE specific people at City Hall was never called to testify. A member of the (then famously anti-gay) police force who had firsthand knowledge of the shoddy police work was tossed softball questions on the stand, because the prosecutor didn’t want to embarrass him in front of his family. Etc.

BTW, White was sentenced to seven years in prison; he served five.

Comment #9: FundamentallyFlawed  on  12/13  at  05:03 PM

Aaron, depression doesn’t make you innocent or less guilty.

Comment #10: Amanda Marcotte  on  12/13  at  05:12 PM

Or, to put it another way—-a lot of people are depressed, but they don’t choose to become wingnut bigots with a violent streak to cope.

Comment #11: Amanda Marcotte  on  12/13  at  05:15 PM

Sheesh, what about this post attracts the spambots?

Original post - I really want to see it. It’s not playing anywhere near me, even at the 18-room theatre that can somehow house Bolt, Madagascar, Twilight, Role Models, and like five Christmas films, but not a film that’s actually important.

Comment #12: Rebecca  on  12/13  at  05:33 PM

Also, Aaron - if he committed the murder because of a mental illness, he should have been institutionalized, not set free after five years.

Comment #13: Rebecca  on  12/13  at  05:34 PM

That’s a lot of words.

Try sounding them out.

Comment #14: junk science  on  12/13  at  05:58 PM

I don’t really get the relevance of ‘The Town I Loved So Well.’  It begins sort of nostalgically in a way that right wingers might be into, but the song is not particularly right at all.  If anything, it’s anti-imperialist.

Comment #15: jTuba  on  12/13  at  06:04 PM

j, the significance is that White thought that San Francisco was his town, and it was taken over by ingrates, minorities, and homosexuals.

Comment #16: Amanda Marcotte  on  12/13  at  06:19 PM

I admit I don’t know all the details of the case.  I know that some aspects of it were sensationalized; famously, when his defense claimed that dramatic changes in his behavior were evidence of his psychological troubles and mentioned radical changes in diet as among those dramatic changes, this somehow got reported in the press as his defense suggesting junk food made him a murderer.  But if you tell me that the unsensationalized story would still contain lots of instances of the police or the courts trying to go easy on him, I’ll have to take your word for it.  Certainly I’d agree that he ought to have been institutionalized rather than given a relatively short prison sentence.  Anybody who sympathized with him ought to agree with that, too; again, remember he killed himself very soon after being released, so the shortness of the prison sentence doesn’t seem to have particularly helped him at all.

I should perhaps say that I have no desire to defend Dan White specifically or trivialize his victims; I suspect a lot of murderers are mentally ill, and I think our justice system deals very badly with the mentally ill generally (indeed, I’m not terribly happy with how it treats anyone).  My thinking that it wouldn’t have been particularly more just for Dan White to have gotten a long prison term is just a particular case of my general doubts that there are very many cases where that is the best option.

Comment #17: Aaron Boyden  on  12/13  at  06:40 PM

That “Milk” movie would be a whole lot better if Jason Statham were in it.  The car chase scenes were downright pathetic!

Comment #18: Rugged in Montana  on  12/13  at  06:46 PM

I’d agree that he ought to have been institutionalized rather than given a relatively short prison sentence.

Thank you.

The car chase scenes were downright pathetic!

You’d think they could do better in a hilly city like San Fran, wouldn’t you?

Comment #19: Notorious P.A.T.  on  12/13  at  07:05 PM

Sometimes, Jello Biafra really irritates the hell out of me, but good god, he blasted the ball clear out of the ball park with that one. One of the DKs’ best.

Comment #20: Scott  on  12/13  at  07:08 PM

One problem with the whole “mental problems” thing is that, yeah, being an anti-gay bigot with a violent steak is definitely a mental problem. But not the kind of mental problem that involves inability to control one’s actions or to know that what one is doing is in the category of wrong things. Nor should it be.

Comment #21: paul  on  12/13  at  07:49 PM

White would not have passed the usual requirement for “not guilty by reason of insanity” - inability to know right from wrong (and inability to recognize that there are laws against murder). After Moscone refused to reinstate White after White resigned his supervisor’s position (supervisor is SF equivalent of city councilperson), White took it as a complete insult to his manhood, already insulted by having to work with a gay man. Premeditation combined with a common pretext for murder (revenge for perceived insult) isn’t too convincing for legal insanity. Every intimate partner murder would be an example of insanity, if you allowed grudge-holding and simmering rage to qualify as insanity. All that said, it would be ideal to have some counseling available to prisoners.

Comment #22: NancyP  on  12/13  at  07:55 PM

I think that back in the 1970s, the insanity defense had much less strict standards than it does today. White’s ability to use it to great effect as well as Hinckly’s ability to use the insanity defense to get a not guilty verdict for shooting Reagan contributed to limiting such claims.

Comment #23: Tyro  on  12/13  at  07:59 PM

I love your pithy retorts, junk science.

Comment #24: Cat Ion  on  12/13  at  08:22 PM

Aaron, that’s it in a nutshell.  Our courts recognize insanity as only a defense if you are so far gone that you don’t know right from wrong.  I’ve suffered depression, and while it erodes your decision-making abilities, it doesn’t erode your sense of right and wrong. White got jury sympathy because he “looked” more like a good guy ought to than his victims did, especially Milk. 

Depression just doesn’t cut it as an excuse.  The people who are so mentally ill they can’t tell right from wrong are in a different league.  Andrea Yates is a good example—-she literally thought god was telling her to kill her children. The rule of thumb, to simplify things, is this: If god is telling you to kill someone,  you’re incapable of telling right or wrong.  If Satan is and you obey him, insanity’s not a defense, but yo, it’s Satan.  You knew it was wrong.  I’m only being mildly tongue in cheek.

Comment #25: Amanda Marcotte  on  12/13  at  08:32 PM

... wow. I was a big DKs fan in high school, but had no idea who Dan White or Harvey Milk was, so the details in their version of “I Fought The Law” didn’t mean anything to me. I always thought it was a generic “bad cop” song.

Comment #26: Cavity Lee  on  12/13  at  09:56 PM

I grew up in the Bay Area, and remember hearing about the assassinations while I was on my school’s playground, probably just after DiFi’s announcement to the press.  And this was just 2 weeks after the People’s Temple murders and mass suicides. 

j, the significance is that White thought that San Francisco was his town, and it was taken over by ingrates, minorities, and homosexuals.

I don’t want to get OT here, but this connects back to your post about Prop 8 and the meaning of California from a few days ago, Amanda.  The idea of California isn’t just the idea of freedom and acceptance; there have always been multiple ideals competing over “California”.  It’s a place for social acceptance, a place for white flight, a place for getting rich quick, a place for Latino empowerment, a place for pioneers to set down roots and develop the wilderness, a place for leaving behind American materialism and a place for Sunset Magazine and “little boxes” suburban development.  Dan White’s rage and paranoia and reactionary violence are just as Californian as Harvey Milk’s vision of freedom and social justice.  That sense of, “My California is being destroyed by ____” is really common in the Golden State.

As I mentioned in that other thread, I really recommend Joan Didion’s The Place I Was From as an explanation of the right-wing ideal of California (Didion grew up in a Central Valley land-owning family, and was brought up with believing in that very right-wing sense of California’s meaning).  I don’t generally like Didion, but I loved this book, and I think it can help people understand Californian culture and politics.

Comment #27: Pesto  on  12/13  at  10:26 PM

No one sings like Jello Biafra.

Comment #28: Notorious P.A.T.  on  12/13  at  10:27 PM

I loved the Dead Kennedys in HS too.  Living in DC at the time, I had no idea who “George and Harvey” were either.

Go see the movie.  My husband and I saw it last weekend.  Fantastic!

Comment #29: Jaye  on  12/13  at  11:50 PM

I heard someone argue once—and it’s hard to fault his logic—that the problem with the Dan White verdict wasn’t that it was in and of itself a travesty of justice; the problem was that Dan White, of all people, should be the guy who gets a fair trial and a just verdict when no one else ever does.

Comment #30: Evan  on  12/14  at  01:50 AM

Evan -

what? i don’t understand what you mean

Comment #31: denelian  on  12/14  at  02:20 AM

Difference being that Hinckley is STILL shut up in a state psych center almost 30 years later and Dan White was imprisoned for 5 measly years then released only to kill himself. Part of the travesty here is that Hinckley’s insanity was recognized and apparently treated appropriately, whereas Dan White’s was glossed over because it was kind of understandable who he killed, I mean, he was kind of queer. Still a crime maybe, thus the seven year sentence, but it wasn’t THAT bad.

And Andrea Yates was found guilty anyway.

Comment #32: Tenya  on  12/14  at  02:21 AM

I saw Milk in the Castro Theatre week before last. Walking a few blocks with my date afterward to eat dinner, it’s hard to explain the privilege I felt.

Oh, and live organ music instead of previews is always a kind of privilege. So was being in an audience that enthusiastically hissed Anita Bryant.

It was a perfect evening.

Comment #33: seventwentyfour  on  12/14  at  03:20 AM

Yeah, it’s not like killing a gay person is that crazy.

Comment #34: junk science  on  12/14  at  11:37 AM

Dan White wasn’t insane.  Depression isn’t insanity.  Depressed people, including Dan White, are usually functional, even if they have diminished capacity.  I realize we’re all soft, sweet liberals here who want to be gentle with everyone, but seriously, all that we’ve learned here is that expanding the definition of insanity to include depression will only help a handful of straight white men who murder queer people.  The rest of us are on our own.

I do not believe that Dan White’s ability to distinguish right from wrong was diminished.  He acted and was set loose because, in 1978, people believed queer lives were worth less than straight ones, and punished accordingly.  In 2008, people still believe that, which is why you have so many wingnuts arguing that HIV is a “gay” disease—-they figure that if they can convince straight people that only gays get it, then straight people will care less, because they think gay lives aren’t worth saving.

Comment #35: Amanda Marcotte  on  12/14  at  12:27 PM

I’m rescinding my sarcasm. Killing a gay person isn’t crazy. It’s evil and hateful, but it’s rational, understandable behavior in a homophobic society. It’s like being religious: nonsensical out of context, but reasonable and sane when everyone else is doing it.

Comment #36: junk science  on  12/14  at  12:42 PM

Was the mayor gay, too? I mean let’s not rationalize this as a homophobic killing if one of the victims wasn’t gay. Remove that angle, and the motive becomes a lot more clear - revenge. I have no sympathy for the guy.

Comment #37: Chet  on  12/14  at  01:40 PM

The details of the case involved White bringing a loaded gun to City Hall, entering through an open ground-floor window to avoid detection of the gun by way of metal detectors.

That’s the definition of pre-meditation and displays an awareness that the act was illegal and that he was willingly breaking the law. Depressed doesn’t enter into it. Legal insanity is the inability to distinguish between right and wrong. White’s actions leading up to and preparing for the murders displayed that he understood that it was wrong and illegal, as he took measures to hide his intent.

His depression, his dysfunctional relationship with his wife, his obsession about visiting Ireland as a return to some imagined sense of traditional normalcy or his perception that things were somehow devolving because his ideas on what was acceptable were being challenged were all REASONS why he killed White, but they were not excuses. They speak more to motive and intent than his capacity to distinguish between right and wrong.

Comment #38: josh  on  12/14  at  02:04 PM

er.. why he shot Milk and Moscone, I meant. Der.

Comment #39: Josh  on  12/14  at  02:06 PM

Josh, I fear that we disagree on a fairly fundamental level.  I want a justice system which tries to protect people from harm.  Sometimes it will have to hurt people to do that, but it should, I think, try to minimize that damage as much as possible; the goal is the least overall harm.  How long someone should be locked up depends entirely, from my perspective, on when it’s dangerous to release them; they should be released as soon as it seems reasonably safe to do so, and if therapy can hasten that, they should get therapy.

It would seem that you want something else, a justice system which makes it a goal, indeed a priority, to hurt the bad people.  Since you apparently assume I share that goal, and yet I’m not saying the justice system should have tried to hurt Dan White a lot more, you assume I most not think Dan White is one of the bad people, and are trying to convince me of that by saying Dan White had no “excuses.”  However, you misidentify our point of disagreement; I don’t think Dan White had any excuses.  I think he was a very bad person.  I just don’t care; I don’t think hurting the bad people is the goal.

Of course, one means of protecting people is deterrence, and this is where the protecting society and hurting bad people goals can get mixed up with one another.  However, I find it prima facie implausible that anyone who wouldn’t be deterred by a short prison term in a comfortable prison would be at all likely to be deterred by anything more; it seems much more likely that such a person just isn’t thinking about prison.  Certainly when we move away from intuition and look at actual empirical studies of behavior modification, the evidence suggests that harsh punishment is far less effective than people believe it to be.

Comment #40: Aaron Boyden  on  12/14  at  02:27 PM

Aaron:

Without entering into a larger discussion on the nature of crime and punishment, the success or failure of rehabilitation or society’s aims in assessing sentencing guidelines for particular crimes (whether punitive or protective or a combination of both), the simple fact remains that in the Dan White case, White got a lenient sentence, when compared to comparable murderers.

I’m not philosophically opposed to what you’re saying (in the abstract), I was just saying that the LEGAL definition of insanity did not apply to him. Further, his actions met the qualifying benchmarks for premeditation, which would make the crime murder in the 1st degree, and not the lesser crime of manslaughter.

Given that we are not perfectly logical and self-actualized, anarchy is not a viable system; rules need to be both well defined and well enforced, tempered with human insight as to any specific extenuating circumstances for which the rules do not quite address.

However, in this case, it is, to my perspective, relatively open and shut. He acquired a firearm, loaded it in the morning, hid it and avoided detection devices for the purposes of murdering human beings.

That’s 1st degree murder, not manslaughter, and there are sentencing guidelines for that under the law.  Whether or not those guidelines are fair or useful is another discussion.

Comment #41: josh  on  12/14  at  05:49 PM

Chet, it wasn’t *just* homophobia.  White had a hard-on for the whole liberal agenda.  He had two other targets that day, a Jewish liberal woman and a black Democrat.  He wanted to wipe out a sample of the people he thought had taken San Francisco from him.

I can’t believe how willing people are to go out of their way to excuse this man.  I see how he got off with a slap on the wrist.  We all want to help the white guys who resent losing privilege.

Comment #42: Amanda Marcotte  on  12/14  at  11:19 PM

The car chase scenes were downright pathetic!

You’d think they could do better in a hilly city like San Fran, wouldn’t you?

No one can do a San Francisco car chase like Streisand and O’Neal in 1972’s “What’s Up Doc?”.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fw3391SiKRk&feature=related

A friend and I saw the Hawaii premiere of Milk on Friday night; we went with a third friend who had been living in the City at the time. It was a damn impressive film.

Comment #43: Keori  on  12/15  at  02:24 AM

I want to see this so bad. It might be playing in the next town over, but I haven’t (until this week) had the money to go see it. Just got some Christmas funds that I can probably take ten bucks out of for a ticket, though. Thanks for the review, Amanda. smile

Comment #44: Nenya  on  12/15  at  08:43 AM

Josh, I fear that we disagree on a fairly fundamental level.  I want a justice system which tries to protect people from harm.  Sometimes it will have to hurt people to do that, but it should, I think, try to minimize that damage as much as possible; the goal is the least overall harm.  How long someone should be locked up depends entirely, from my perspective, on when it’s dangerous to release them; they should be released as soon as it seems reasonably safe to do so, and if therapy can hasten that, they should get therapy.

Brolin, I think you’re greatly underestimating White. The guy was perfectly capable of planning and executing the murders of two people, and he had plans to murder two more.

White wasn’t an innocent victim of mental issues, he was a guy who wanted to eliminate the gays, blacks, liberal jews etc. from San Francisco politics. His perfectly reasonable and logical method was simply to kill them with a pistol. The unreasonable part of his plan was that he thought society would accept this method, though he was almost correct about that given the outpouring of sympathy.

If you have anti-punishment ethics that’s fine, but it is naive to say that, because the treatment of White was in line with your ethics, it was the right action on the part of the law. That these murders were treated gently by the law has everything to do with who was being murdered and nothing to do with anti-punishment legal ethics.

Comment #45: atheist  on  12/15  at  08:55 AM

The details of the case involved White bringing a loaded gun to City Hall, entering through an open ground-floor window to avoid detection of the gun by way of metal detectors.

That’s the definition of pre-meditation and displays an awareness that the act was illegal and that he was willingly breaking the law. Depressed doesn’t enter into it.

A truly depressed person would, more likely, just stared at the gun and found the very notion of loading it, hiding it, and making your way to City Hall and climbing through the damned window would have given rise to a feeling of despair, leading one to feel that doing anything is beyond one’s capacities.  The notion that a depressive would suddenly become ninja-planning man is ludicrous.

Comment #46: seeker6079  on  12/15  at  02:35 PM

I can’t believe how willing people are to go out of their way to excuse this man.

No shit. This was a planned execution of four people against whom Dan White had specific personal vendettas. That he only got to two of them is one of the few small saving graces of the entire horrific event.

White’s lawyer’s opening statement said, in part, “Good people, fine people, with fine backgrounds, simply don’t kill people in cold blood….it just doesn’t happen, and obviously some part of him has not been presented thus far.” That was the crux of their defense: A nice, white, straight, Catholic gentleman from San Francisco’s last bastion of conservatism MUST have had a good reason to do something like this. Milk’s homosexuality, packaged and presented as a symbol of the degeneracy and dissolution that threatened to take over the whole town, just gave the jury a little more incentive to look for excuses for White’s actions.

Comment #47: FundamentallyFlawed  on  12/15  at  03:08 PM

I grew up in the Bay Area, and remember hearing about the assassinations while I was on my school’s playground, probably just after DiFi’s announcement to the press.  And this was just 2 weeks after the People’s Temple murders and mass suicides.

I heard about them immediately after a free Talking Heads show in Sproul Plaza.  11 days after Leo Ryan was assassinated, and IIRC we were still getting grim new details from Jonestown.  That was a crazy, horrible time here.

j, the significance is that White thought that San Francisco was his town, and it was taken over by ingrates, minorities, and homosexuals.

Saturday night at the firm Christmas party I talked to a guy who grew up in the Excelsior (Dan White’s neighborhood), and he told me that at the time all of his parochial school friends from the neighborhood thought White was right.  And of course there was cheering in more than one police station when they heard the news, and again when the twinkie verdict was announced.  The bigots really did run San Francisco in (for 1978) the very recent past, and there are still enclaves in the city where people regret the fact that it all changed.

Comment #48: TomHilton  on  12/15  at  07:24 PM

Something I liked was the use of sexual tension, which wouldn’t have an eye batted to it in a heterosexual movie.

I told all my friends to see it; this is a very important, powerful movie about someone who left a mark on our country.

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