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Bamboo Reviews: Reading Lolita in Tehran

For a relatively slender, well-written book, Reading Lolita in Tehran: A Memoir in Books was a slow read. It’s just truly depressing to think about how the people in Iran, both religious and not so religious, who bristle under the theocracy, have to live in a stifled way.  Also, for me, the book read as an eerie reminder that all theocrats are the same, despite surface differences.  American right wingers may console themselves that we’re different because our current symbol of the American theocracy movement is working the sexy librarian angle, while Iran has mandatory veiling, but in reading a book like this, you see that they’re basically the same beast, right down to the ability to swing between making snickering jokes about how men “have needs” to piously intoning about female modesty.  Reading this book during the rise of Sarah Palin is interesting, too, because, as Azar Nafisi tells it, women’s initial resistance to the revolutionary government cracking down on women’s rights forced the government to rebundle their arguments regarding the mandatory veil and the lower marriage age and other misogynist innovations as a form of “new” feminism, with an emphasis on protecting women through paternalistic slogans.  I fail to see how this is any different from our theocrats trying to repackage the same old misogyny as a kind of new feminism, with their arguments about how they wish to ban abortion (and possibly contraception) to protect women, who are fragile darlings easily misled from the one thing that makes us happy, which is apparently non-stop child-bearing.  (Interestingly, the Iranian government betters us in many ways in this department, having extensive family planning services at low or no cost to the public, even though abortion is still illegal.) The forms that the perverse obsession with controlling female sexuality take different shapes, but the urge is the same.  In both our country and theirs, the theocrats accept women in public positions with power, in part because they need women’s talents and in part because without this tolerance, they can’t really argue that they have a better kind of feminism. 


But while the book is about these things, it’s more about books and the role they play in the lives of book lovers, and that, I think, is its universal appeal.  The tensions Nafisi describes between the life of the mind and the respect for the individual and the public pressure to conform—-and how books present this beautiful escape mechanism from the pressure—-is something most bookworms have felt since childhood.  The little reading group she forms after the tension of teaching at the university finally breaks her down and she quits is a celebration of the individuality that the women in the group can let flourish in the privacy of Nafisi’s home and in the conversations about the books they read.  Just as interesting as reading about these young women using their book group as a warm blanket they pull to protect their individuality from the cold pressure to conform is reading about Nafisi’s ugly problems she has in her classrooms as anti-intellectual misanthropes, who are hostile to novels especially (probably because of their power to nourish the mind and the spirit in this way), challenge the very project of reading novels and discussing them on a daily basis in her classroom, using the revolution as cover.  (Again, I’m reminded of our own theocrats, who groom their children to be disruptive in classrooms, issuing time-wasting and irrelevant challenges to teachers that teach science, or those who, like Nafisi, that teach novels that describe human behavior instead of the idealized behavior of theocratic automatons, not in an effort to win an argument or even just promote thinking, but to make it harder for the other students to get an education.)  The middle chapters of the book describe the battles she had with loud-mouthed, censorious students over “The Great Gatsby” and “Daisy Miller”, which were offensive because they humanized people who behave in “immoral” ways, from adultery to just flirting. 

I’m reminded of the Hays Code, which required film makers who wanted to show immoral behavior to show the same behavior being punished in the end.  The code didn’t actually do that much to turn movies into morality plays, and many “punishment” endings seem just tacked on.  “Gatsby” and “Daisy Miller” are obviously more complex than that, but in the eyes of the censorious students, the effect is the same.  After all, both books see their titular characters die by the end, which could be construed as the right and proper punishment for their behavior, but that doesn’t really satisfy the censorious students, who object to showing that immoral behavior is possible in the first place, or perhaps that people like Daisy Miller and Jay Gatsby are human beings at all.  At the end of the day, you realize that they’re objecting to novels themselves, because they have the power to humanize.  Nafisi describes great novels as sharing a common morality of empathy, and empathy is the biggest threat to tyranny.  Tyranny, in Nafisi’s eyes, is an exercise in tyrants projecting their fantasies onto those they oppress, an interesting insight that goes a long way, for instance, in explaining the wingnut mentality.

With all this in mind, you can imagine where Nafisi and her reading group fall in the long-standing and, to my mind, baffling debate about what “Lolita” is all about.  I maintain that it’s obvious that the dark joke of the book is that it is about the sufferings of Dolores Haze, and if you can’t see the human being through Humbert’s narration and even his sick renaming her “Lolita”, that says more about you than it does about Nabokov, or the truth about male sexuality, or whatever the hell it is that people want to project onto the book.  And it says a lot about our society’s sexism that the “sympathy for Humbert” reading of the book hasn’t been laughed off the planet.  It’s “Lolita” and “Pride and Prejudice” that bookend this book, and through the readings of these, we get to know the young women chaffing under a society where they are the ones being projected onto, just as Humbert projects his tyrannical fantasies onto Dolores, and just as our anti-choice nuts project their fantasies onto women entering abortion clinics under a barrage of screaming from protesters.  They chaff, but it’s an ambiguous chaffing all the same, because the urge to individuality is permanently hamstrung by the fact that we are all products of our environment.  Nafisi compellingly argues that novels are a path to clearing up the confusion this causes, because as they are products of the imagination, they show you how imagination is precisely the tool that allows us to become more than just products of our environment, but to become full human beings who own themselves. 

And with that, I’m heading off to the Texas Book Festival. Today, though, I’m going to try to stay out of the merch tents and stick to the panels.

 

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Posted by Amanda Marcotte on 12:30 PM • (30) Comments

reading about Nafisi’s ugly problems she has in her classrooms as anti-intellectual misanthropes, who are hostile to novels especially (probably because of their power to nourish the mind and the spirit in this way), challenge the very project of reading novels and discussing them on a daily basis in her classroom, using the revolution as cover.

Well that’s one side of the coin, but it’s also important to remember that the novel is, if not a European invention, a literary form that has been honed and developed by Europeans.  And that Nafisi was teaching English literature.  Remembering that the Iranian revolution was just as much about colonialism and getting off the Western imperial chessboard as it was about instituting an Islamic theocracy, it’s easy to see why staunch Islamic revolutionaries would be against the material Nafisi was teaching, just based on literary form and language—they’d have wanted English literature and The Novel replaced by traditional Iranian literature in whatever forms are most commonly associated with it (Persian poetry is THE great literature of the Islamic world). 

One of the things that really struck me reading this book as an American who pretty much only reads in English, and whose formative concepts of great literature are English-language forms and works, was the fact that for these women, reading English language novels is not “learning about Our Literature”, but kind of congruent to me taking up reading the ghazals of Rumi and Hafez in the original Persian.  In other words, no mean feat academically speaking, and pretty exciting in terms of exposure to the arts in a global context.  Not to mention that they’re doing this challenging and exotic work in a context where Austen and Fitzgerald are not only different, but othered and vilified (again, not unlike someone like me taking up Persian or Arabic literature in the original).

Comment #1: The Opoponax  on  11/02  at  04:10 PM

I’m reminded of the Hays Code, which required filmmakers who wanted to show immoral behavior to show the same behavior being punished in the end.

This particular cry is as old as the Greeks, saw a resurgence in certain poetics of the English Renaissance, then the age of Johnson, then the Victorian era.  And that’s just in the Greek- and English-speaking worlds. I’m always amused when people spin it like it’s innovative thinking, somehow.

The “mimesis: good or bad?” debate will probably always be with us.  Sigh.

Comment #2: Ranylt  on  11/02  at  04:21 PM

I wish I got to go to book festivals.

Loved the book mentioned here though.  I like many aspects of Persian literature, though, so it’s not a surprise.  Check out the movie Leila.

Comment #3: shah8  on  11/02  at  04:51 PM

<u>And that’s just in the Greek- and English-speaking worlds</u>

I’m reminded of Goethe’s response to his novel Elective Affinities, “I had so-and-so die.  Wasn’t that “Christian” enough for them?”

No American should be in Tehran, as we’re at war with Iran.  Oh, and if you’re gonna do a book review, would you at least do The Bible or The Turner Diaries so I can comment intellguntly?

Comment #5: Rugged in Montana  on  11/02  at  06:19 PM

If you are interested in this book you will also want to look at
Lipstick Jihad
We are Iran


Yes, Amanda, all theocrats are the same…which makes the wars they wage or threaten to wage against each other the more ironically pointless.  A sham democracy at the bottom, a gang of god’s
goons at the top,  keeping everyone afraid of what the foreigner’s will do in order to keep their grip
on political power,  human rights secondary to those needs of the state with which the god fearing
elite identify themselves, a wish to brandish nuclear weapons…what difference is there at all between US and Iran?

Comment #6: greensmile  on  11/02  at  06:46 PM

Azar Nafisi is Iranian, living in the USA. And the United States is not at war with Iran. Intelligent enough for you?

Comment #7: Bo  on  11/02  at  06:49 PM

Opop, true, but for better or for worse, there are just a lot more people that speak English as a second language in this world than English speakers who pick up a second language.  So it’s strange, but it’s also not.  It follows that a lot of people who learn English move on to reading English language literature.  I was surprised, honestly, that the students didn’t couch their criticisms more in just the overall rejection of Western culture.  But then again, they were taking literature courses, so already they had conceded that they should read these books, and were objecting to individual ones on moral grounds.

Comment #8: Amanda Marcotte  on  11/02  at  07:02 PM

A precis: Looking at fictional narratives on paper makes it easier to detect people peddling fictional narratives in real life.

Comment #9: Indy  on  11/02  at  07:02 PM

“I was surprised, honestly, that the students didn’t couch their criticisms more in just the overall rejection of Western culture.”

correction, She DIDN’T WRITE DOWN that they didn’t couch their criticisms more in just the overall rejection of Western culture.

which is sort of the root of most of the criticism I’ve hear of the book. that reading it gives the sense that every one in Iran but her group are/were a bunch of anti-intellectual incurious dour theocrats. which according to the critics was because she essentially ignored anything that didn’t make her story more dramatic and didn’t reinforce the pre-existing western stereotypes

disclaimer: I haven’t read it.

Comment #10: Onymous  on  11/02  at  07:17 PM

Another support for Richard Rorty’s argument that literature (especially the novel) is a foundational support of liberalism.

Comment #11: Max Renn  on  11/02  at  07:18 PM

I might be misremembering, Amanda, because I read this book almost a year ago and really didn’t read it as intently as I ought to have (I picked it up used while traveling) - but I seem to remember that one of the main critiques that the more pro-theocracy students had was that reading Anglophone novels was “indulgent”, “Western”, “un-Islamic”, etc.  Kind of the same critiques that Christian fundies would have if they were in a course on Islamic literature (well the specific words would be different, but ultimately add up to the same thing: these people are the enemy, and their culture is immoral, not to mention foreign to us and rightly so). 

In fact, one of the things that struck me in the parts where she writes about criticisms from pro-regime students was the similarity to the critiques made by fundie Christians in lit and other humanities classes I took in high school, especially in courses where we were exposed to anything outside a very narrow sense of “our” culture.  Though usually things like “immoral” were swapped out for “weird” or “makes no sense” or “pointless”.  I was especially reminded of a World Lit course I took and the reactions of the fundie kids to anything from Asia or Africa.

Comment #12: The Opoponax  on  11/02  at  07:18 PM

that reading it gives the sense that every one in Iran but her group are/were a bunch of anti-intellectual incurious dour theocrats.

I have actually read the book and didn’t get this impression at all. 

For one thing, Nafizi doesn’t set out to write a historical or sociological survey of all reactions to foreign literature in all academia everywhere in Iran.  She’s writing about her own experiences in certain carefully chosen situations, and about a particular group of women she’s chosen to write about.  And, yes, she is trying to make certain points and talk about certain kinds of dissent.  This is par for the course in any writing, especially memoir—you can’t write about every. single. thing. that ever happened, you have to edit and curate and turn your experiences into a story worth reading. 

And for another thing, I did NOT get the sense that everyone in Iran except her and the girls she was teaching were a bunch of anti-intellectual dour theocrats.  There are various parts of the book where she talks to colleagues and former colleagues, former students, her mentor, the owner of a bookshop the frequented, and the like.  There is also at least one point in the book where she mentions that various other people are interested in joining the group, but she unfortunately can’t let them in (for various reasons).  In my opinion, she did pretty well at creating the sense that there were people who genuinely loved literature, and they, collectively, were feeling pressure to abandon that side of themselves (teach only regime-approved syllabi, purge foreign titles from their shelves, stop lecturing, writing, publishing, whatever). 

Furthermore, this brings up the question of the fact that, when a certain activity or way of living/thinking/whatever is quashed by a totalitarian regime, it creates isolation.  You can’t just run down to the bookshop and get to talking with the guy browsing from the same shelf.  You can’t talk openly with your colleagues, let alone others outside your department or institution.  You can’t put up a flyer inviting just anybody to come to your book group.  So you very quickly become cloistered, parochial, or even a little bit chauvinist because it seems like you and a few close associates against the world.  You don’t have the confidence of vast numbers of like-minded people.  This is entirely the point of suppressing things like creativity and intellectual pursuits—they lead to people getting together and talking openly, which can lead to people uniting in dissent.

Oh, and I think it’s fricking RICH to pretend that effing IRAN is not composed of, well, a bunch of dour anti-intellectual theocrats.  It’s bloody IRAN.  That’s kind of the name of the game over there.  Is there quiet dissent?  Yes, but it’s quiet.  And if it’s not, you can be killed.  Is there probably a majority of the country who are liberal-minded and love art and literature and creative or academic pursuits, who are happy and free-thinking and sucking the marrow out of life, stupid theocratic regime be damned?  Sure.  But they’re doing it in secret, because a dour anti-intellectual totalitarian/theocratic regime controls the whole damn country.  It’s not really a secret at this point.

Comment #13: The Opoponax  on  11/02  at  07:36 PM

here are just a lot more people that speak English as a second language in this world than English speakers who pick up a second language.

Sorry to triple post, but I also wanted to comment on this—this is precisely why I had to keep reminding myself of how revolutionary and potentially subversive Nafizi’s group was.  Because, sure, the above would be pertinent if it were Reading Lolita in Berlin or Reading Lolita in Shanghai.  I’m pretty sure, however, that Iran is not really a country which encourages university students (much less female ones) to take up EFL, because, again, their whole M.O., especially in the post-revolutionary years Nafizi is writing about, was to purge their society of Western influence. 

Things may be changing now, but it struck me that the book was precisely about the fact that English language literature was being discouraged to the point that a group of women who wanted to read Pride and Prejudice would have to do it privately, in secret.  Even though Westerners (even non-Anglophone ones) would consider that a fairly pedestrian book to read.

Comment #14: The Opoponax  on  11/02  at  07:49 PM

hat reading it gives the sense that every one in Iran but her group are/were a bunch of anti-intellectual incurious dour theocrats.

Critics who say this most likely haven’t read the book, or did but wanted to project their own bullshit on it.  Nafisi consistently describes the students in her classes as mostly pro-literature but cowed by silence by the loudmouths.  This is consistent with what I’ve seen in my life, too, and why there’s so much confusion about the difference between stated values in “red” areas and behavior.  Most people don’t really agree with the community values, but they are cowed by the loudmouths.  In fact, if anything, Nafisi gives you the impression that the majority (in Tehran at least) is sophisticated and chafes under the theocracy—-whenever there is some liberalization that allows greater access to public events of an artistic bent, the event gets flooded with people.  And that many people have satellite dishes, etc.  It makes sense that the government would have to patrol so much only in a situation where most people quietly rebel.

Comment #15: Amanda Marcotte  on  11/02  at  07:58 PM

I might be misremembering, Amanda, because I read this book almost a year ago and really didn’t read it as intently as I ought to have (I picked it up used while traveling) - but I seem to remember that one of the main critiques that the more pro-theocracy students had was that reading Anglophone novels was “indulgent”, “Western”, “un-Islamic”, etc.

Oh yeah, but all but one of them describe the behavior of specific characters that way, and thus denounce specific books.  They rarely take on the practice of novel reading on the whole or demand that the students only study books written by Muslims or anything like that.  I got the impression that the culture, at least in the cities, was one that somewhat shamed the incurious and the anti-intellectual, so the pro-theocrats had to couch their criticisms in a specificity that protected them from thinking of themselves as anti-intellectual, if that makes sense.  In fact, the one student who really just wanted them to stop teaching English literature altogether couched his arguments in leftist tracts written by, surprise surprise, Western academics.  The Iran Nafisi describes is complicated, and I appreciate that she tries not to simplify it for an audience that’s largely composed of outsiders.  There’s a sense of cultural pride and almost wanting to close themselves off, but it’s countered by a desire to view themselves as a modern nation, and that requires an openness to other cultures.

You’re right that part of the reading group is just that Western culture is frowned upon, but I was fascinated by the push-pull of the government’s attitudes about that.  Nafisi is, at turns, pressured out of teaching English language literature and recruited to do the same thing, for instance.  Again, looking at our theocrats, I see the same inconsistencies. They loathe the Enlightenment, but they depend on it, and they can’t decide.  It would be easier for them to just pull their kids out of school if they don’t want them to learn about evolution, for instance, but they want their kids to be leaders and scientists, and they can’t figure out how to both get that and get their way.  They denounce politics as corrupting, but train their kids to become politically savvy so they can go to D.C. and take over a city that they routinely disparage.  Because ours don’t actually rule, the inherent contradictions are easier to manage, because they don’t have to live with the results of their worst impulses.  But if, for instance, they did take over and found, for instance, that refusing to teach evolutionary theory meant that our infrastructure that depends on science collapsed, they’d rethink it.  But if you taught biology, your life would be in a state of flux all the time as the tug between the need to be a modern nation state competed with the religious bullshit.

Comment #16: Amanda Marcotte  on  11/02  at  08:15 PM

BO, “RiM” is a performance art character.  Now you know, so get with the program.

Comment #17: Eric, Rejector of Memez  on  11/02  at  09:10 PM

Heard an interesting radio doco the other day from the BBC which talked about dissent in Iran and the various forms it takes. Fascinating factoid, Iran has the lowest mosque attendance in the muslim middle east. Also pertinent, if the West (and the US in particular) was really keen on regime change in Iran it should focus on funding the arts and artists in Iran because that’s where all the really subversive dissent is coming from and that’s where hearts and minds are changing.

Link here

Comment #18: JC  on  11/02  at  09:24 PM

Oh, and I think it’s fricking RICH to pretend that effing IRAN is not composed of, well, a bunch of dour anti-intellectual theocrats.  It’s bloody IRAN.

Even though we’re at war with Iran, there’s an awful lot there that we on the Right respect and admire.  Like, for instance, the fact that it’s controlled by dour anti-intellectual theocrats.  I mean, Shania Law is pretty cool, they hang gays, chop the hands off of someone hungry enough to steal bread, stone women who have boyfrieds their dad doesn’t like…those are REPUBLICAN dream laws!

If they were Christianists, rather than evil Muslins, the whole GOP would probably move there.

Comment #19: Rugged in Montana  on  11/02  at  09:53 PM

I spent a month in Tehran, before the Shaw fell.  It is just an observation that the Persian language was, at that time [early 70’s] being cleansed of its most recent Arabic borrowings.  That of course came to a dead halt after the revolution…funny how I always used to have such positive associations with the word “revolution”.  Another fact worth noting is that in Teheran, at least, places such as markets or streets were sometimes given the names of Persia’s great poets.  Can you imagine an “e.e. cummings” avenue in, say, Washington DC? or even Frost or Dickinson?  To wipe non-Quranic literature from the shelves in one generation is a much bigger and less welcome change than getting rid of an American puppet and his Savak secret police.

Comment #20: greensmile  on  11/02  at  10:37 PM

I’d just like to point out that Iran is, almost by nature, a pretty secular place.  Aside from out of the way places like Tunisia, Malaysia, and Qatar), it’s pretty much the most liberal islamic society (Indonesia has easygoing Islam, but not a liberal society)  in the Islamic world and at least on par with Turkey.  It might not be the Western world, but it’s not exactly a barbaric place—and it would be easy for me to make positive comparisons of Iran with the US in some ways.  Amanda’s point about theocrats being the same everywheres is a fundamentally important one—all societies have to deal with their reactionaries and the various socially autistic practices that they encourage.  We should not think of Iran as unique in this respect, even though our society encourages us to forget that we have had our own little fatwas against the local Satanic Verses authors.  It’s just a lot harder to find and kill such writers in a big country like the US.

Here is a heart-warming story that is along similar lines.

Comment #21: shah8  on  11/02  at  10:54 PM

Amanda’s point about theocrats being the same everywheres is a fundamentally important one—all societies have to deal with their reactionaries and the various socially autistic practices that they encourage.

Of course.  But on the other hand it’s ridiculous to pretend that Iran is not dominated by theocrats.  What fascinates me about Islamic culture is that (to generalize, probably far too broadly) it seems to be a country populated by free-thinking well-educated secular liberals who happen to be ruled by a philistine theocratic regime.  The idea that a country populated by such cultured and intellectually engaged people has been repressed so deeply and so long by theocracy scares the shit out of me, to be perfectly honest.

Comment #22: The Opoponax  on  11/02  at  11:13 PM

Ayatollah Khomeini is not an especially different person than George W Bush in important ways.  He was a mediocre religious scholar who got his title for political reasons, and owes a great deal of his power to the businessmen and militarymen that form the triumvirate of power in Iran.

Our president is a reactionary, and so is the Supreme Court, for the most part.  The US Congress was governed for a while by complete mouthbreathing flat-earthers…Yet we have our own intellectual and cultural elite doing the same thing….

Comment #23: shah8  on  11/02  at  11:27 PM

So, is Iran oppressed by a minority?

Comment #24: Eric, Rejector of Memez  on  11/03  at  03:13 AM

Apologies for derailing, but Malaysia is not an “out of the way place”, Shah8.  Nor is Tunisia, for that matter.  Neither of them might fall within the currently-hot-area of the Middle East, but don’t write off places please just because they are not on CNN every night.

Comment #25: Katherine  on  11/03  at  06:24 AM

Ayatollah Khomeini is not an especially different person than George W Bush in important ways.

I know that it’s trendy in liberal circles to talk about how X predominantly Islamic country isn’t really that bad, and it’s all two sides of the same coin, and and all that, but honestly, you have to be kind of stupid to think that the USA and Iran are about on par with one another, in terms of governmental repression.  Because seriously?  No.  Really.  Just no.

Comment #26: The Opoponax  on  11/03  at  11:53 AM

Eric, the U.S. is oppressed by a minority, so I don’t see why it’s impossible.  Crazy wingnuts like Dubya and his folks are, at best, 30% of the population.

Comment #27: Amanda Marcotte  on  11/03  at  12:17 PM

My main point is trying to raise consciousness about how American Exceptionalism blinds us in our appreciation of where the US stands in the community of nations.

No one is writing off Tunisia or Malaysia, and if Kathleen wanted to make a serious argument about it, she should have pointed out that Qatar is in the Persian Gulf and hosts Al Jazeera and certainly in the way.  The point I’m trying to make is that countries like those have made paths outside the consensus of Dar Al Islam.  Much of that had to do with geography, trade, and geopolitics that drove the mitigation of the worst aspects of Islamic culture and religious law.

The Opoponax, I hear that the Mariana Islands are lovely this time of the year!  I’m not arguing that the US is equivalent to Iran.  I’m simply arguing that the US isn’t as good, and Iran isn’t as bad, largely due to the forces portrayed in the post.

Comment #28: shah8  on  11/03  at  01:13 PM

I fail to see how this is any different from our theocrats trying to repackage the same old misogyny as a kind of new feminism, with their arguments about how they wish to ban abortion (and possibly contraception) to protect women, who are fragile darlings easily misled from the one thing that makes us happy, which is apparently non-stop child-bearing.

What’s fascinating is when the veil slips—the “a man has needs” stuff and the sardonic way one of Nafisi’s students paraphrases Austen: “It is a truth universally acknowledged that a single man must want a nine-year-old virgin wife”  (Forgive me if I’m off; it’s been a while since I read the book.)  And it really becomes clear that it’s about men getting to dominate and hurt women.

I’ve been tooling around the Feminists For Life website, since you pointed out they are in fact anti-contraception, and found an incredibly smarmy, incredibly chilling article in one of their newsletters.  It’s a man’s story of watching his wife go through childbirth without any pain medication:  “What I did not know–what I could not know until I saw it with my own eyes–is that for a woman, a mother, there is no such thing as pain that cannot be borne on behalf of your child. Sure, as a prolifer I knew it intellectually. But nothing compares to the actual experience of it.”

He explicitly tied his pro-life standpoint to a belief that women are made to suffer.  For that moment, he dropped the veil—and so did Feminists For Life.

Comment #29: killjoy  on  11/03  at  01:47 PM

In fact, one of the things that struck me in the parts where she writes about criticisms from pro-regime students was the similarity to the critiques made by fundie Christians ...The Opoponax

My fundy grandparents wouldn’t let us read fiction because it “wasn’t true”, therefore it was a lie.  I’ve since come to believe that robbing children of the chance to use their imagination is an actual sin.  I was 19 before I saw “The Wizard of Oz”, and then I felt guilty.  I figure my book addiction since then is sweet revenge.

And RIM’s comment at 07:53 PM is actually too close to reality to be funny.

Comment #30: NobleExperiments  on  11/03  at  08:35 PM
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