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Belated Mad Men Monday: “Hawt U.N.C.L.E.”

For reading on the show that drove Sally to want to experiment a little with herself, check this post out.

In many ways, this felt like an episode that was just moving forward the plot, though, as usual, it was stuffed to the gills with surprises.  Nonetheless, I really enjoyed this episode.  Watching Don slowly self-destruct was threatening to get repetitive.  Seeing him really come out of his alcoholic stupor for a little while to do good work is fun.  I have a real weak spot for portrayals of competence and glorying in a job well done.  Hollywood has a tendency to think that characters that are too masterful lose some of the audience’s sympathies, but I find that the characters on “Mad Men” are just more fun to watch if they’re doing their jobs well.  Especially when Don’s doing well by avoiding his tendency to be stubborn and stuck in the past.  In this episode, we saw Don in his best form—-the Don that he promised to be when wooing Roger, Peggy, and Pete over to a new company.  He’s Don that plays well with others, that takes advice, and is willing to set aside his own prejudices in order to embrace the new.  Don’t struggle this season is over whether he’ll be left in the dust or if he’ll find a way to stay young.

It’s not just the dealings with the Japanese and the increasingly international markets that I’m talking about, either.  Old Don was opposed to game-playing.  Old Don’s attitude was, “I was hired to do creative, and creative is what I do.”  The idea that he has to compete with other firms on any grounds except just having the best campaign would have made old Don furious.  We saw a little of old Don when he was still spinning out about how he could win the Honda guys by doing some dazzling ad campaign and resisted the people who said that was a bad idea.  New Don remembers that Pete Campbell is actually sharper than you’d think, and he bothers to take his advice by reading The Chrysanthemum and the Sword, and what he gleans from it works like a charm.  But most importantly, new Don learns that his creativity can be applied to competition, and that he should stop resenting that young people are trying to sneak up on them, but take it as a challenge to be met head on.

Roger and Pete’s battle was fascinating insofar as how obvious it seems that Roger is completely in the wrong.  He’s racist, he’s threatening their financial futures, he’s definitely wrapping himself in the flag because he’s afraid of Pete.  Roger can be contrasted with Don in this regard—-instead of seeing competition as a chance to do a better job, he’s retreating to “I’m older and I said so!” as a method of trying to exert control.  Roger’s behavior was particularly annoying as this episode dropped right in the middle of one of the ugliest racist episodes in America in at least my memory, with the racists in question also wrapping themselves in the flag and exploiting the tragic deaths of many to justify their racist attacks.  Joan and Roger’s argument was eerily evocative of the argument between liberals and conservatives on the Park51 project.  Conservatives preen about how righteous they are in their hatred while engaging in base, childish behavior.  Liberals are appealing to real righteousness, and suggesting that fighting is pointless if we can’t enjoy peace and democracy.  It was as if the writers of “Mad Men” knew what was going to happen, seriously.

I’m somewhat surprised that the writers didn’t complicate Roger’s reaction a little more, because so often they are critical of the emerging globalism and the creation of international companies that become less beholden to government control because they span nations.  But it’s kind of hard to hate Honda, who dominated the American market for the same reasons that old Don wants to win the battle for clients—-pure merit. 


The Sally storyline was, as usual, a marvel in the way that the writers can use a child to tell the story of the youth revolt that’s beginning to form but hasn’t really gotten to the point where it’s considered a national crisis.  This storyline was interestingly evocative over the way that gender and sexuality played into those tensions.  The masturbation—-and Betty’s complete misunderstanding of why Sally was masturbating when and where she was—-is the most obvious, of course.  But the hair was what really captured my attention.  Sally is a girl, and the battle is over her hair being too short, but all this is happening against a background where young men were letting their hair get longer and longer, and creating a genuine masculinity crisis with the older generation.  It’s somewhat hard for modern people to get how much anger there was over young men having long hair, but it’s clear from materials at the time that men having long hair was considered literally one of the worst violations of social norms being committed by hippies.  Gender taunting was a big part of the hippie-punching of the era—-one thing straights would enjoy doing is pretending that they thought men with long hair were women. 

Sally cutting her hair is a gender-reversed version of this, but it creates the same kind of consternation with her parents, particularly when it’s coupled with her childish sexual experimentation.  Sally is, simply put, rejecting the scripts for a girl.  Betty makes it clear that she embodied those scripts to a T—-spent all her time developing a feminine image perfectly pitched to attract male attention, but also suppressing her subjective sexuality.  Betty’s conception of female sexuality is basically that it exists for male consumption.  For many seasons, we’ve seen Betty struggle with sexual dissatisfaction, first with Don neglecting her and then with a husband who seems to be a little annoyed when Betty acts like an adult who makes demands.  But despite all this, the only possible reason she could imagine that Sally might play with herself is because she’s acting out.  What I liked about the scene where we actually see Sally do the deed is that she checks to make sure her friend is asleep.  It’s rash, childish behavior, but clearly she means no harm.  Same thing with the hair-cutting.  Sally has decided that Don is sleeping with the baby-sitter, who has short, hip hair, and she decides that’s what she wants.  And who can blame her?  A 10-year-old is plenty old enough to absorb the fact that Betty is a stick-in-the-mud and that there’s a far more interesting world out there.  Plus, Sally was right.  The shorter hair is cuter.

Usually, cutting off hair symbolizes the loss of power and sexuality.  But in the 20th century in America, that usual narrative was hijacked and reversed for women.  Cutting your hair all off was, depending on the fashion, often associated with independence for women, and independence for women created panic about “looseness”.  In fact, this is just the word that Betty uses to articulate her fears about Sally.  Considering that Betty was born after the first panic about loose women with short hair—-the 1920s—-just drives home how wed Betty is to old-fashioned narratives, particularly now that she’s basically married Daddy.  When little blonde Sally takes her hair off with scissors, I was actually reminded of Mia Farrow cutting her hair really short in “Rosemary’s Baby”.  In that movie, it works as a symbol of her character’s subconscious longing to be free of what constitutes a Satanic patriarchy, where a bunch of old farts and sexists view Rosemary as an object to be controlled, and raped if necessary.  That movie won’t come out for a couple of years after Sally cut off her hair, but her act really anticipates that symbolism.

By the way, the whole scene where Henry uses the very child-rearing technique on Betty that he wants Betty to use on Sally in order to convince Betty to use it on Sally?  Genius.  Also, creepy.  The way that Betty glows when he talks to her like a child is disturbing, but consider that Betty has made it clear that she never had a loving, indulgent family growing up.  She’s recreating the childhood she never had, while giving her own daughter the same awful childhood she did have.

Discussion questions:

*What did you think of Faye revealing that she isn’t, in fact, married?  Do you respect her choice to wear a ring, or is this just further evidence that she’s scarily manipulative?
*Where do you think the Don vs. Betty battles over child-rearing will lead?
*Is Roger done for at SCDP?  Do you think Lucky Strike will give up on them?
*Setting aside Betty’s bad intentions, do you think that the therapy sessions with the child psychologist are a good idea or not?

 

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Posted by Amanda Marcotte on 09:19 AM • (88) Comments

When Sally was watching the scene from The Man from UNCLE, were the two men tied up?

Comment #1: FlipYrWhig  on  08/24  at  10:45 AM

Heh, I think so.  But I wouldn’t read too much into that.  BDSM narratives tend to be more broadly appealing to kids, but a lot of adults tend to lose that fascination when they age.  A lot of stories aimed at children that involve romance or sexuality involve captivity, from old cartoons to fairy tales.  Why most adults lose most of their interest in that but some don’t is a curious thing, but I doubt it’s meaningful in any way.  Every adult maintains some of their childhood interests, but it’s a crapshoot which ones.

Comment #2: Amanda Marcotte  on  08/24  at  10:51 AM

Episode and post bring back my own haircut history. When I lived in rural Nebraska, I cut off all my hair and donated it, and the leftovers were ugly so I got a buzzcut. And I got an unexpected truckload of compliments - I was 25 and men in their 40’s and 50’s could not say enough about how much they liked my haircut. The number one comment I got was “I wish my wife would do that.”

I have since realized it was probably a (not necessarily conscious) reaction to the taboo violation of a woman getting a “masculine” haircut. If she’ll buzz her hair, what else will she do?

Comment #3: Yawgmoth  on  08/24  at  10:59 AM

Roger and Pete’s battle was fascinating insofar as how obvious it seems that Roger is completely in the wrong.  He’s racist, he’s threatening their financial futures, he’s definitely wrapping himself in the flag because he’s afraid of Pete.

Completely in the wrong? My Jewish uncle will never buy a German car. My Irish mother always had a problem with buying anything British. While Roger’s attitude may, in one part be racist, can he also be justified in not wanting to do business with the Japanese? As he sees it, they attacked his country, killed his friends and drew him into the jungles of the Pacific to die. Can you blame him? “Wrapping himself in the flag” makes him disingenuous and I’m not sure he is.

Comment #4: Danzig  on  08/24  at  11:01 AM

Great stuff Amanda!  You are the only commenter so far who stressed that Sally’s friend was asleep. Everyone else just repeated what Betty said “in front of her friend”, as if she were giving a show.  “Acting out” was used over and over.  It was so annoying.

I love the way you write about this show.  I did not make the connection with the male hippies growing their hair, I love that take on it.  Excellent.

Comment #5: JennyLI  on  08/24  at  11:03 AM

Danzig, you’re appealing to what you perceive as the realities.  I’m discussing the show, not the reality around it.  Roger’s temper tantrum was shown as childish and stupid, and in every argument about it, he loses definitively.  He’s clearly using this as a way to attack Pete.  Which means he’s exploiting his dead comrades for a personal vendetta.  Set aside whether or not you think racism is justified in some cases in the real world (I disagree), but within the context of the show, Roger was completely wrong.

Comment #6: Amanda Marcotte  on  08/24  at  11:14 AM

I suspect that for kids BDSM has a certain appeal because if the object of your sexual desire is tied up, you are free to explore in safety. Children typically have very rigid, structured environments where expectations are clear and there is a lot of constant feedback, and if they transgress, that feedback can be physical. So the signal that “see, this handsome young man can’t harm you—not only is he on the television…. he’s all tied up!” BDSM is all about trust and children (particularly children in authoritarian environments) do seem to have a situation where being able to trust is the first step to being able to be sexual. YMMV.

But we have more medical ethics going here. The season has a lot of narratives surrounding the intersection of medical ethics and family: Joan trying to start a family with a doctor who might not be telling her the truth about her fertility, Anna’s family keeping her diagnosis from her, and now we have Sally’s step-father deciding that she’s mentally ill for masturbating and sending her off to a psychiatrist. All of these things are horrifying today, but completely accepted at the time.

What’s happening with Roger is interesting, it’s definitely a commentary on the “old guard” of business politics. Bert Cooper*, for all of his Objectivist spouting-off, is not recognizing Roger as the liability that he is and showing him the door. It was a little heavy-handed, too much of the dialog at the meeting was set-em-up-and-knock-em-down for my liking, but for a vet who goes into raptures of patriotic “He died, like so many young men of his generation, he died before his time. In your wisdom, Lord, you took him, as you took so many bright flowering young men at Khe Sanh, at Langdok, at Hill 364. These young men gave their lives. And so would Donny. Donny, who loved bowling” when only a few episodes before he was bowing and scraping to someone he likened to Hitler, the hypocrisy was a little thick. I’m glad Joan called him on his bullshit.

I see Faye as really scarily manipulative. She reminds me a lot of people like Schlafley and Flannigan who make their living selling retrograde lifestyles to women that they will not take themselves. She’s competent, she’s smart, and even smart, cautious people can make the mistake of letting their guard down around her. But I don’t see her on the side of the angels.

*It was nice seeing Cooper actually filling a role at the agency, btw.

Comment #7: Mighty Ponygirl  on  08/24  at  11:18 AM

Or to be more specific with my textual evidence, Pete accuses Roger of using this to get him.  Roger, unable to answer that, commands Pete to get out.  Don defends Pete, saying, “He’s right.”  Later, in case this wasn’t all very clear, Joan’s very real and current pain is contrasted with Roger’s, and the audience is forced to consider if he’s not being childish to act like what’s in the past is more important than what’s currently going on.  If that wasn’t enough, Roger comes around. 

Also, I have to point out that Roger—-who is the only person who ever had permission to speak frankly to Bert—-has never once complained about Bert’s enthusiasm for Japanese culture.  It’s only when Pete brings them on as potential clients that Roger suddenly gets a conscience.

Comment #8: Amanda Marcotte  on  08/24  at  11:19 AM

Ha! You’re right. I was asking the question while watching the last episode and I never came up with an answer. Why won’t you guys solve it for me? Sorry about that.

Comment #9: Danzig  on  08/24  at  11:21 AM

Yeah, I think Roger is disingenuous.  His character has long been portrayed as someone who has no problem being 100% full of shit if that’s what he needs to be in order to get his way.  He usually uses this skill for charming clients, but he’s not averse to whipping it out in order to engage in self-flattery.  He was highly disingenuous with both Joan and Jane when sleeping with them behind his wife’s back.  I honestly think part of the reason he didn’t marry Joan when he had the chance was that she sees through his act, and he knows it.

Comment #10: Amanda Marcotte  on  08/24  at  11:24 AM

Also, a little slice of Zen.

Comment #11: Mighty Ponygirl  on  08/24  at  11:25 AM

Answers to discussion questions:

-Faye’s explanation for wearing a ring despite being unhitched seemed reasonable, considering the age. Maybe also manipulative, but that’s advertising! I think the writers are setting up a “Don meets his match” flirtation/entanglement.

-Don adjusts to the changing age, Betty stays stuck in the past. In this manner, Don’s approach to child-rearing could mirror his work attitude.

-Roger could be on his way out, though the loss of his character would be a shame for the show. He’s Don’s foil for work attitudes the way Betty is becoming for Don’s parenting attitudes.

-The therapy sessions are a great idea….for Betty! (Probably will help little Sally too)

Lastly, a slight disagreement re: Roger’s disingenuousness. Maybe he’s laying on the patriotism a little thick. However, even for a racist age, I think Roger’s racial/ethnic views are especially retrograde. Recall the minstrel show at his wedding (or engagement thingie, or whatever).

Comment #12: Outlander  on  08/24  at  11:47 AM

Illya Kuryakin tied up is enough to make anyone want to masturbate…  wink

Comment #13: Lexi  on  08/24  at  11:52 AM

@Amanda #6, 8, 10

I don’t think the show’s point that “Roger’s racism is wrong and he should move on” necessarily implies that “Pete’s understanding of Roger’s motivations is entirely right.”

re: Don’s saying “he’s right” - Pete made three arguments during his confrontation with Roger: 1) the war’s over; 2) your just doing this to screw me; and 3) we’re trying to build something.  Considering Pete was echoing Don’s own words in his pitch to get Cooper to leave the old agency, it’s most likely that Don was reacting more to that than #2. 

re: Roger being full of shit re: WWII service & Cooper - Roger has always treated his WWII service seriously as far as it goes.  He’s always been contemptuous of the younger men at Sterling Cooper who never fought in a war.  This is anecdotal on my part, but I’ve seen lots of people commenting that Roger’s reaction is not atypical.  That doesn’t mean his actions were right, but I think you are way off base to say they are entirely disingenuous.  Also, Cooper was his dad’s friend and partner and has always outranked him.  And a few (in his mind) weird paintings from an eccentric is very, very different than having to be subordinate to Japanese people (who as he rightly points out, might have been in the war with him as some are about the same age) in the agency-client relationship.

re: Pete’s explanation - Pete, as usual, is making it all about himself.  Not that Pete hasn’t matured a lot in this season, but compare the way he made his point versus the way Joan did.  His was “the war was a long time ago, therefore you’re doing this to screw me” whereas hers was “the war was a long time ago, people have moved on and you accomplished what you set out to do in the war”.  Roger is probably more conducive to hearing that from Joan, but I think it’s more than that.  The one good, selfless thing Roger has done is fight in WWII.  And here you have Pete denigrating that service by accusing Roger of bringing up his service for selfish reasons - Roger hear Pete basically saying “your service was not selfless, it was selfish.  And you know what? Same goes for your poet friend.”  He was attacking a cornerstone of Roger’s identity and the one good thing Roger sees in himself. 

re: Roger’s self-interested motivation - Now, having said all that, and this being Mad Men, it’s never that simple.  I do think Roger has a motivation in keeping Lucky Strike so important - it’s what’s keeping him from being left out of the flow chart again.  And the fact that Pete is seemingly turning into a rainmaker must make him worry about Pete nipping at his heels.  But neither of those realities precludes him from having a strong, non-disingenuous reaction to wooing a Japanese client.

Comment #14: wsn  on  08/24  at  11:54 AM

I liked that they again used one of the most interesting aspects of Pete’s character—the fact that his total absorption in what can make him money leads him to be probably the least racist character.  Last season, he tried to sell his client on marketing their TVs to black people, their largest market, and was flummoxed when they refused.  He literally could not understand why they would leave money laying on the table like that, especially since their overall sales were going down.  To Pete, everyone is a market.  So it made perfect sense in the context of the show that Pete would be the one who would find this client.

And, yes, Sally was actually trying to be discreet and checked to be sure her friend was asleep.  That’s what made it extra unfair that her friend’s mother freaked out so badly.

Comment #15: Mnemosyne  on  08/24  at  11:56 AM

In the late 80s, I was a DJ at an elevator-music radio station, so our audience was made up largely of the WWII generation—and some of those people were absolutely nuts on the war and Japan. One cold day I mentioned on the air that I was surprised that my Isuzu pickup truck had started that morning because it never got this cold in Japan—and immediately got a call from an angry male listener excoriating me for buying a Japanese vehicle. Similarly, I mentioned one day that the anniversary of John Lennon’s murder was coming up “tomorrow” (December 8), and immediately got a call from another angry listener wondering why I was talking about Lennon when it was a more important anniversary today—Pearl Harbor Day.

So I was surprised at the vehemence of Roger’s reaction to the Japanese, but not to the fact that he had a reaction in the first place.

Comment #16: jabartlett  on  08/24  at  12:12 PM

I’m not disagreeing that Roger is a sincere racist!  I’m just saying that his motivations in this case weren’t, um, purely just his racism.  He’s a racist and a dick.  Sorry, but true.  He is funny, tho.

Comment #17: Amanda Marcotte  on  08/24  at  12:15 PM

Marginally on-topic:  Man from U.N.C.L.E. was a huge hit with my generation.  I was around ten when it went off the air, so if Sally is ten, that puts me about four years behind her.  Most of my friends didn’t want to be Napoleon Solo.  We all wanted to be Ilya Kuryakin because he was way cooler than Solo.  Also, David McCallum was way cooler in The Great Escape than Robert Vaughn was in Magnificent Seven.

However, to continue with discussing television shows of the 1960s, my own feminism was informed, in part, because of Honey West.  I was very disappointed when that show was canceled.  She was cool.  I even had one of the toys that arose from the show, but I can’t remember what it was.  Maybe a camera that transformed into a gun.  Something like that.

You young’uns don’t know Honey West.  I don’t think she ever made it into reruns.

Comment #18: DBK  on  08/24  at  12:16 PM

Mnemosyne—As far as Sally’s friend’s mother was concerned, it doesn’t matter if Sally checked or not. Doing it at all is morally the same as doing it on the steps of the church at 9:15 on a Sunday morning.

Comment #19: Mighty Ponygirl  on  08/24  at  12:17 PM

@ Amanda #17,

Fair enough.  Put like that I agree completely.

Comment #20: wsn  on  08/24  at  12:19 PM

wsn, that Pete is uncouth doesn’t change the fact that Roger’s stance is portrayed as 100% wrong, or that Roger is highly selective about when he wields his racist freak-outs.

Comment #21: Amanda Marcotte  on  08/24  at  12:19 PM

Ah, sorry, typed that before I saw your reply, wsn.

Mnem, good points.  I’ll say that I like the way the show subtly shows Pete evolving away from his elders in that regard.  I think we’re meant to believe he’s quietly started to support Democrats, both in his genuine sadness at Kennedy being shot and hit enthusiasm for LBJ’s coarse mouth.

Comment #22: Amanda Marcotte  on  08/24  at  12:22 PM

Isn’t the fake wedding ring common for women who have to interact frequently with men at their work, from waitresses to white-collar jobs?  It makes sense purely as a matter of time management.

Comment #23: Dan Watson  on  08/24  at  12:27 PM

Watching Don slowly self-destruct was threatening to get repetitive.  Seeing him really come out of his alcoholic stupor for a little while to do good work is fun.

It was equally interesting to see Roger’s core competency turn sour. His quips were still funny, but the racism and grudge holding brought the usual outrageous charm to a screeching halt.

New Don remembers that Pete Campbell is actually sharper than you’d think, and he bothers to take his advice by reading The Chrysanthemum and the Sword, and what he gleans from it works like a charm.

Using that book was a nice touch—given the hints that were dropped in earlier episodes, I’m betting that Bert Cooper was involved in administering the post-war occupation of Japan, probably doing intelligence or psy-ops.

Roger’s behavior was particularly annoying as this episode dropped right in the middle of one of the ugliest racist episodes in America in at least my memory, with the racists in question also wrapping themselves in the flag and exploiting the tragic deaths of many to justify their racist attacks.

Even though the episode was written long before the Park51 business flared up, I’m sure the writing staff was clued into the Teabagger zeitgeist. This episode really showed a whole range of racism.

Roger and Pete’s battle was fascinating insofar as how obvious it seems that Roger is completely in the wrong.

Lots going on in this episode with inter-generational shaming (both real and imagined) in this episode, with elders acting like children and vice-versa. The Betty-Sally storyline captured this nicely, to send exactly the message you describe about what’s coming down the road.

By the way, the whole scene where Henry uses the very child-rearing technique on Betty that he wants Betty to use on Sally in order to convince Betty to use it on Sally?  Genius.  Also, creepy.

The psychiatrist also treats Betty like a child. Don has called her a child in the past, and so has Henry’s mother. Anyone who’s the slightest bit perceptive can see the textbook case of arrested development lurking under the sleek grow-up exterior.

What did you think of Faye revealing that she isn’t, in fact,
married?  Do you respect her choice to wear a ring, or is this just further evidence that she’s scarily manipulative?

First, another great call out to the earlier episode—that fake ring was the same one Peggy was toying with during the focus group. It encapsulates so many of the themes, including the show’s over-arching one of what is real vs. what appears to be real.

I read it as a combination of manipulative and defensive, which is what the character is about: she’s working in the most manipulative profession possible (one that arrived alongside the HR/4th Purpose Culture) but she’s also a woman trying to establish a career in a male-dominated work world. That’s driven home by the fact that we find her in the company kitchen, washing the dishes—barefoot.

Where do you think the Don vs. Betty battles over child-rearing will lead?

Hard to say with this show, at least as far as Don goes. What’s clear is that Sally will never be able to please Betty, no matter what she does: if she succumbs to Betty’s wishes to become a carbon copy, she becomes a rival; if, as seems more likely, she goes the flower-child route, she’s an ungrateful rebel. For a child, there’s no winning with a parent who’s a bitter, over-grown child herself.

Is Roger done for at SCDP?  Do you think Lucky Strike will give up on them?

Interesting question. First, there’s no loyalty on the part of clients, even if you’re willing to humiliate yourself. So I can definitely see that scumbag deciding to take his business elsewhere on a whime.

I don’t think Roger is done for if that happens, though. If he’s able to preserve his successful Martin/Lewis act with Don, he still adds value. However, with the changing nature of the business his glad-handing sales contribution is becoming less vital than Don’s creative/strategic one.

Setting aside Betty’s bad intentions, do you think that the therapy sessions with the child psychologist are a good idea or not?

Short-term, they’re a good idea—for both Betty and Sally. Long-term, a reliance on therapists could lead Sally down the road to EST and other self-help woo.

Comment #24: Gracchus.  on  08/24  at  12:28 PM

When Sally was watching the scene from The Man from UNCLE, were the two men tied up?

Yes. The villain also seemed to be an exotic masked “dragon lady” type. The choice of song over the credits (“I Enjoy Being a Girl” from “Flower Drum Song”) linked things up nicely.

Completely in the wrong? My Jewish uncle will never buy a German car. My Irish mother always had a problem with buying anything British. While Roger’s attitude may, in one part be racist, can he also be justified in not wanting to do business with the Japanese?

Not quite justified, but explained. Racism is often rooted in deep-seated grudges (and shaming) as it is in simple ignorance or fear, or as a cover for class anxiety (which seems to be going on with Bert, who dislikes the Civil Rights movement but has no problem with the Japanese). And racism is a generational issue as well. as illustrated by Pete.

Pete’s version of racism is more subtle—he’s an opportunist who sees different races as either new markets or new clients, and a harbinger of the new globalist establishment. Business comes first, and as he says, if a Jewish ad agency can work for a German car company, Roger should be able to do the same for a Japanese one.

Comment #25: Gracchus.  on  08/24  at  12:38 PM

Checking back in—wasn’t there a scene earlier this season where the neighbor kid who talked about “doing it” gave Sally a knife for a present?  (Hmm, after googling, it seems like it was just the lanyard he had the knife on, not the knife itself.)  I wondered if they were trying to set up that her fantasies are dark; or whether it’s supposed to be just that kids try out all kinds of fantasies when they start to think of themselves as sexual beings.

Comment #26: FlipYrWhig  on  08/24  at  12:42 PM

Did anyone else catch that when Betty was scolding Sally, she said that masturbation should not be done in private, and certainly never in public, but paid lip service to idea that it’s normal but should be done in private when speaking to the psychologist? An intentional double standard, or a slip of the tongue? Does she know that her disgust goes beyond anything reasonable?

I know it was all plenty normal back then, but if one were to design a method for instilling a gigantic honking ball of shame about their sexuality into a child, I don’t think you could do a better job than Betty’s doing. (Threatening to cut off her fingers? Brr.)

It wasn’t really clear to me why Sally likes Don so much more than she likes Betty until this episode, but here, where we see Betty absolutely incapable of understanding Sally’s actions apart from how they relate to her, how they make her feel, it’s pretty damned obvious.

Comment #27: grendelkhan  on  08/24  at  12:44 PM

re: Pete

I really liked his line to Cooper about the upcoming civil rights bill.  Why aren’t black people happy in 1964? “Because Lassie can stay at the Waldorf and they can’t.”  It’s been interesting to see the change in him since almost the first scene in season 4.  In past seasons he’s always been some level of suckup with the “adults” in the firm.  Now he’s telling off Roger and confidently chiding Cooper.  I can’t remember if he’s done this to Don yet.  OTOH, Don’s been giving Pete plenty of validation so it seems like they are on roughly the same page now.

re: Therapy

I think it’s good for Betty.  I also think she knows this is a way for her to get therapy without it being manipulated.  Look at how relieved she was hear Dr. Edna say the sessions would be confidential.  I really liked the look on Dr. Edna’s face when she said that.  She must have known the kind of BS Betty went through was relatively common. 

I agree w/ Faye that all Sally needs is for someone to tell her she’s ok and they love her.  Aka what Grandpa Gene did.

re: Faye

I don’t have much of a problem with her manipulations.  To the extent that she’s wearing the ring just to keep guys from hitting on her at work, I don’t think it’s all that remarkable.  Seeing what we’ve seen of her though, I wonder if that’s all there is.  I certainly hope not.  I’m rooting for her playing the boys/men of SCDP in the same way she played the secretary focus group from last week.

re: Roger

I think Lucky Strike will bail eventually.  I don’t know what Roger will do.  I can see him bailing.  I think his charm & humor are fungible enough that he could be useful for a long time, but he’s going to have to change a lot in his mindset.  Maybe his acceptance of Honda is the first step in that.  Or maybe it’s his last, defeated gasp.  Can’s wait to find out!

re: child-rearing battles

I don’t know if this is the time-frame for the show, but I see Sally (when she’s a teen) moving in with her cool dad in the village who lets her go out & have some fun because he’s always so busy at work.

Comment #28: wsn  on  08/24  at  12:47 PM

An intentional double standard, or a slip of the tongue?

The former. Betty’s all about appearances when it comes to people who can judge her. we see this with the playdate’s mother (who’s judging Betty like Betty once judged her divorced neighbour) and with the child psychiatrist. When she’s in a position where she feels she can exert power, she does, so slapping or bullying or shaming Sally comes naturally.

It wasn’t really clear to me why Sally likes Don so much more than she likes Betty until this episode, but here, where we see Betty absolutely incapable of understanding Sally’s actions apart from how they relate to her, how they make her feel, it’s pretty damned obvious.

Very true. The main difference I see between Don and Betty as parents is that Don, even if he can be stern and cold (“you don’t have to like it”) genuinely cares about his kids’ happiness. Betty can barely tolerate them.

Comment #29: Gracchus.  on  08/24  at  12:50 PM

I had been growing my hair for awhile.  One night I came to the dinner table and my father actually noticed.  He looked at me and said, “You’re going to the barber tomorrow.”  When I said “no” he took my head and mashed my face into my dinner plate.  I did not go to the barber.  Two years later, when I announced that I would probably not register for the draft, he said that I ‘d be looking for another place to live.  He also hated the Japanese and black people, but was too young to be in WW II.  Younger people today may not realize how bad the animosity was between the generations then, but it could be pretty intense.

Comment #30: jackspratt  on  08/24  at  12:51 PM

Oh, and something else that blindsided me, having never lived in those times. I assumed that the babysitter, being a nurse and having a very matter-of-fact grasp of the physical reality of being human, would explain things to Sally. I suppose that might be out-of-bounds even now (it’s the parents’ prerogative to decide how poorly informed their kids will be), but it really seemed like the next obvious step.

Sometimes my unspoken expectations for characters are completely wrong, and I think that’s one of the most fascinating aspects of the show for me.

And it was so damned nice to see Don actually involving his date. He could just have easily retreated into moodiness, but he involved her in something important to him—and more than that, actually learned from her. This is definitely something outside his comfort zone.

Comment #31: grendelkhan  on  08/24  at  12:51 PM

Also, David McCallum was way cooler in The Great Escape than Robert Vaughn was in Magnificent Seven.

Ha! Awesome.

Comment #32: Danzig  on  08/24  at  12:53 PM

OTOH, Don’s been giving Pete plenty of validation so it seems like they are on roughly the same page now.

Don acknowledges that at the partners’ meeting, when Joan is taking minutes and taking the roll. He tells Joan “everyone,” in other words to include Pete as an equal. It’s the opposite of the concept of shaming in the presence of an audience.

Comment #33: Gracchus.  on  08/24  at  12:57 PM

Roger represents the opposite of what we did well relative to post-war Japanese industry: forgive and forget past mistakes, treat people as actual human beings, recognize and reward significant improvements in quality. Now, if we only behaved that way with Detroit…

Comment #34: waatmf  on  08/24  at  01:00 PM

@grenelkhan #31,

re: Don involving his date

Very true, I noticed that as well.  Before that you saw him fumbling with his cigarette & losing his cool a bit like we’ve seen him do this season.  Clearly he’s somewhat concerned about what this upstart could do to his reputation/business.  But then he snaps out of it and gets his date to teach him something that might be useful for showing up the upstart. 

And for the rest of the episode he’s pretty much on his game.  And he does it by learning from others, as Amanda points out in the OP.  He listens to Pete & Cooper’s input on Japanese culture.  He accepts Lane’s constraints and then uses them to hurt his target (not unlike getting Lane to fire them).

Will this mean he will tell Sally he loves her the next time he sees her as Faye recommends?

Comment #35: wsn  on  08/24  at  01:03 PM

@ Gracchus #33,

Sure.  I meant that there doesn’t seem to be a reason for Pete to stand up to Don like he did to Roger (& Cooper to a lesser extent) this episode.

However, seeing Pete’s reaction to Roger’s mid-day drinking in s4e1 and what we’ve seen of Don this season leads me to believe that could come up.

But Pete’s always admired Don in a way that he never did with Roger or Cooper.  Sure he sucked up to them, but not in the same way.  He always really really super duper wanted Don to like him.  And now Don does, kind of.  He calls Pete an equal as you observe.  More than that, he treats Pete like an equal.  It’s more than just lip-service.  I mean, can you imagine Don taking Pete’s side against Roger in any previous season?

And because Pete is now getting what he wants, I wonder if he will be able to confront Don when Don needs to be called out.  Good thing SCDP has Peggy & Faye around.

Comment #36: wsn  on  08/24  at  01:09 PM

All of you U.N.C.L.E. fans should watch the Temple Grandin movie.  Also, it’s very, very good.

Comment #37: The Bobs  on  08/24  at  01:12 PM

@Mighty Ponygirl and Gracchus

The main difference I see between Don and Betty as parents is that Don, even if he can be stern and cold (“you don’t have to like it”) genuinely cares about his kids’ happiness. Betty can barely tolerate them.

I thought it was interesting that the most relevant question regarding Sally’s masturbation came from Don (I forget the exact quote, but he wanted to know if the friend she’d done it in front of was a boy or a girl).  Don does seem to try to understand his children (sometimes) and Betty seems to do all she can to prevent that.

now we have Sally’s step-father deciding that she’s mentally ill for masturbating and sending her off to a psychiatrist.

I was under the impression that Henry had been advocating therapy for awhile and finally Sally did something “awful” enough for Betty to finally agree.  I think Henry has finally taken his own mother’s criticisms to heart, and is bringing his own parenting experience into his relationship with Betty.  One of the reasons he said he believes in therapy is because it helped his biological daughter so much.  I’m not sure that he is judging Sally so much as judging Betty and trying to make his new family less dysfunctional.  Even if some of his ways of doing so are a bit dysfunctional in their own right.

Comment #38: Atheist, A Feminist  on  08/24  at  01:13 PM

*What did you think of Faye revealing that she isn’t, in fact, married?  Do you respect her choice to wear a ring, or is this just further evidence that she’s scarily manipulative?

Htting on single women in the workplace was much more common in the sixties than it is now.  The choice to wear a ring is just a practicality in my view.  I was surprised she revealed it to Don.  Faye is just the new concept of market research picking up on research psychology, something new for the admen back then.  I thought it clever that when Faye set up the focus group of younger women in the office, all the men watching through the window thought it was b.s. but Peggy said wow, she (Faye) is really good.  Don may think Faye’s method, getting people to talk, may be worthless, but he opened right up to her over breakroom coffee.

*Is Roger done for at SCDP?  Do you think Lucky Strike will give up on them?

 
No to both.  He’s too interesting a character and a good foil.  There are plenty story lines left to mine there out of his character and the presence of Lucky Strike.  I forgot which brands were LS brands but there will be more cigarette ad campaigns to do.

*Setting aside Betty’s bad intentions, do you think that the therapy sessions with the child psychologist are a good idea or not?


Yes.  Sally needs someone to talk to about the divorce and maybe even her feelings of loss with grandpa dying.  Clearly she can’t talk to her mom about any of that with any honesty.  I thought that was the stepdad’s real motivation behind suggesting it, since he seemed to think the masturbation issue was no big deal.  One of his finer moments, I thought.  I hope the psychologist doesn’t turn out to be a jerk like Betty’s was

I loved the inclusion of McCallum as the fantasy image.  I was a big fan of U.N.C.L.E. and watch NCIS now mostly because of him.  There was an NCIS episode where one of the characters wondered aloud what Ducky looked like as a younger man.  Mark Harmon said, “Like Ilya Kuriakin.”

Comment #39: MiddleageLiberal  on  08/24  at  01:14 PM

And because Pete is now getting what he wants, I wonder if he will be able to confront Don when Don needs to be called out.  Good thing SCDP has Peggy & Faye around.

And Joan—she rocked this episode, and was the first to grasp Don’s devious scheme.

I agree it’s only a matter of time before Pete confronts Don on an issue. Pete’s clearly concerned about his income now that he has a child on the way, and Don’s been on such a downward spiral that sooner or later he’ll do something to endanger the agency’s revenue. He already came close with Jantzen.

Comment #40: Gracchus.  on  08/24  at  01:14 PM

wsn - I loved Pete’s Lassie line too!  And the way he said it, with a total look of “what are you, an idiot?”  That exchange said a lot.

Comment #41: JennyLI  on  08/24  at  01:18 PM

@Gracchus #40,

Shit.  Joan too.  Is there anything she can’t do?  I’m almost surprised she didn’t sew herself up a few episodes ago.  Although she’s more subtle when dealing with Don - I wonder how much longer she will punish Don w/ the bad secretary.  She usually saves her confrontations for Roger.

I agree that there will come a time when Pete needs to confront Don but I don’t know if he will be able to.

And I am in the camp that believes the Jantzen act of Don’s was calculated to build his rep and that of SCDP.  Which I guess doesn’t preclude it from being self-destructive.

Comment #42: wsn  on  08/24  at  01:24 PM

Joan too.  Is there anything she can’t do?  I’m almost surprised she didn’t sew herself up a few episodes ago.  Although she’s more subtle when dealing with Don - I wonder how much longer she will punish Don w/ the bad secretary.  She usually saves her confrontations for Roger.

She did confront Roger in this episode, too—sternly and gently. That scene was well-written and well-acted, conveying just the right message about the role of recognising someone’s achievements in order to help him give up his grudges and get on with things—sometimes we “have to believe it,” and say it out loud.

And I am in the camp that believes the Jantzen act of Don’s was calculated to build his rep and that of SCDP.  Which I guess doesn’t preclude it from being self-destructive.

I’m in the same camp, but from “Mr. Peters’” POV (that secretary is hilarious) that kind of stunt is now extra risky with a child on the way.

Comment #43: Gracchus.  on  08/24  at  01:44 PM

“In past seasons he’s always been some level of suckup with the “adults” in the firm.  Now he’s telling off Roger and confidently chiding Cooper.  I can’t remember if he’s done this to Don yet.  OTOH, Don’s been giving Pete plenty of validation so it seems like they are on roughly the same page now.”

In the past he had to bring in Clearasil to prove himself and move up.  I think getting Vick’s cemented, in his own mind, his value to the firm and his worthiness as a partner, not just because it’s a big account, but because he played hardball and won, so he thinks he can stand shoulder to shoulder with the big boys.

However, there is something else going on there that goes along well with the “old vs young” theme.  Pete and the younger guys were intimidated a lot because the older guys had all served in combat.  Things were changing, and the young were seeing that toughness in a new and less respectful light…and being less intimidated by it.  That, I think, in part at least has something to do with Pete seeing himself as more of an equal.

Comment #44: DBK  on  08/24  at  01:50 PM

Paul’s grandfather: I fought The War for your sort!

John: I bet you’re sorry you won!

from A Hard Day’s Night (1964)

Comment #45: wapsie  on  08/24  at  01:53 PM

Considering that Don has lost four secretaries in five years, I’m sure Joan will punish him a while longer (yes, it wasn’t his fault that he lost Peggy and Lois, but the case is hazier with Jane, and it’s certainly his fault he lost Allison).  Besides, Mrs. Blankenship provides some much needed comic relief.

Yeah, I bit my lip when I saw Sally cut her hair, partly because it can be a mental cry for help (that particular self mutilation is often a prelude to cutting physically more important body parts), and partly because I knew Betty would freak out. It’s never easy for even the most well adjusted parents to realize that their kid isn’t a carbon copy of themselves,*  and as we all know, Betty is far from well adjusted.  The fact that Sally is her only daughter just adds to the pressure.

Speaking of hair, did anyone else catch the Hayley Mills reference?  I’m sure Sally was thinking of Mills’ most popular movie, The Parent Trap from 1961, where the ten year old twins cut their hair short to look identical, so they can bring their divorced parents back together.  It’s a subtle, brilliant reference.

* I remember my mom forcing my stick straight hair into at least one painful perm because curls were what she always wanted for her own straight hair.

Comment #46: Blue Jean  on  08/24  at  01:56 PM

sorry, it was actually Ringo who responded to the old man:
http://beatles.coolcherrycream.com/sounds/a-hard-days-night/05-war.wav

Comment #47: wapsie  on  08/24  at  01:58 PM

BTW, I’m surprised that Don didn’t just take Sally to the nearest salon and pass it off as a new style to Betty.  That’s what the old Don would have done.  The fact that he freaks out too is a sign of how far he’s off his old game.

Comment #48: Blue Jean  on  08/24  at  02:00 PM

@ Blue Jean #46, 48,

Don also didn’t care about the hair cut as such.  It was more about the shit he was going to get from Betty and how he would lose control over the parenting.

And the fact that that reaction is the healthier of the two reactions her parents have ...

I’m glad Henry seems to have his shit together as far as it goes, but I doubt he’ll stick around all that long.

Comment #49: wsn  on  08/24  at  02:04 PM

@ Blue Jean #48, @ wsn #49

My guess is, he didn’t take her to a salon because that’s the kind of “woman stuff” Betty cares about most (remember the car crash, worrying about a scar on Sally’s face - she’s deeply invested in her daughter’s appearance). He knew that any new haircut performed under his auspices, no matter what it turned out to be, would be completely wrong in Betty’s eyes. Best to let Betty make all decisions in that realm. Of course Sally has no say in the matter.

Comment #50: cycles  on  08/24  at  02:35 PM

There are a couple reasons Don didn’t take Sally to the hairdresser and pass it off as a new cut: he would have gotten shit for giving Sally a haircut, in any case, and no salon would be open on a Sunday.

Unlike our current 24/7 buying customs, back in the day beauty shops and hair salons were not open on Sunday. There were no huge chains, most salons were owner-operated, and Saturday would have been their big day. Sunday was set aside for a family and/or worship day: for both salon workers and customers.

With the majority of women as housewives who could shop or visit a salon during the week, in the ‘60s more states maintained “Blue Laws” that required businesses to be closed on Sunday.

“A blue law is a type of law, typically found in the United States, designed to enforce religious standards, particularly the observance of Sunday as a day of worship or rest, and a restriction on Sunday shopping. Most have been repealed, have been declared unconstitutional, or are simply unenforced, although prohibitions on the sale of alcoholic beverages, and occasionally almost all commerce, on Sundays are still enforced in many areas. Blue laws often prohibit an activity only during certain hours and there are usually exceptions to the prohibition of commerce, like grocery and drug stores. In some places blue laws may be enforced due to religious principles, but others are retained as a matter of tradition or out of convenience.[1]”

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blue_law

The salon also might be closed on Monday, so everyone would have two days off.

Comment #51: judybrowni  on  08/24  at  02:38 PM

Danzig (#32), the two scenes that stick in my mind with McCallum and Vaughn are McCallum running down the railroad platform, giving up his life to save his friends in Great Escape and Vaughn hiding and terrified while the battle rages out in the village in Magnificent Seven.  Vaughn played such a great coward, my child’s mind was never able to get past it in UNCLE.  Also, Vaughn’s character in UNCLE was always less smooth than smarmy.

Comment #52: DBK  on  08/24  at  03:13 PM

I’m with lexi.

I don’t watch Mad Men, and I am barely too young for MUNCLE, but I have friends into it that let me watch tapes.

A fave rave among the Man From UNCLE fans:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LIUwzEonlro

Comment #53: Angelia Sparrow  on  08/24  at  03:41 PM

Thinking about the deliciously ironic use of Doris Day’s version of “I Enjoy Being a Girl” over the credits, I Googled her to recheck her era of popularity.  It seems odd now that Day and her popularity has been overlooked by Mad Men, at least so far.  Wiki also described a remarkable story of Day’s malpractice suit against her lawyer and financial advisor which resulted in a California record, for then, civil verdict in her favor of over $22 million.  I had never heard about it.

Comment #54: MiddleageLiberal  on  08/24  at  03:51 PM

Liza Minnelli’s description of how her and Mia Farrow’s short haircuts were received:

And I’ll never forget the first time she and I walked down a New York street—people yelled terrible things at us: “Dykes! Boys!” Because we had this short hair and nobody else had it.

People weren’t just threatened by men with long hair.

Comment #55: keshmeshi  on  08/24  at  04:06 PM

I also want to agree that I get a lot of pleasure out of seeing Don actually doing well at his job. We have countless TV shows that portray the bumbling, incompetent oaf who does good.

The scene where Don wanted to store the Honda in Joan’s office while she was interviewing the director was gold.

Comment #56: Mighty Ponygirl  on  08/24  at  04:12 PM

Betty makes it clear that she embodied those scripts to a T—-spent all her time developing a feminine image perfectly pitched to attract male attention, but also suppressing her subjective sexuality.

In past seasons, Grandpa Gene and Betty’s brother (I forget his name) both mentioned that Betty and her parents - both her mother and father - “fought like cats and dogs” I believe was the term when Betty was growing up. I’ve always been curious about that potential back-story gold mine and how Betty tried to rebel against being gender-normed herself. Maybe Dr. Edna will finally bring that out.

Comment #57: snobographer  on  08/24  at  04:43 PM

I’m not bothered by Faye’s wearing of the ring, but revealing it to Don is another matter. Pretty much since the “don’t worry, you’ll be married again within the year” line, it seemed to be that she’d decided to get don for herself, for some purpose or another. Feels like she’s playing with him like a cat with a mouse, and he isn’t noticing because a)that’s not the way this game is supposed to be played, and b)he’s too deeply occupied with his own misery to notice much of anything.

Betty frustrates me. I mean, she always resented her children, but it seemed once that this was because they were making her life boring; that she wanted to DO something interesting, and didn’t get to (the Episode in Rome, for example). And then she gets divorced, and instead of pushing the kids and the house on her ex-husband, she just acts like the only problem had been that Don was the wrong kind of husband to be a housewife to. wtf? did I misread her that badly?

Don’s parenting skills amount to “he likes his kids, but has not the faintest clue what to do with them.” Betty OTOH can’t stand her kids, maybe with the exception of Gene. I haven’t actually seen her interact with the older son at all, to the point where I don’t even remember what his name is…

Pete is an interesting character. At the old company, there was that one earnest liberal dude, wh was really really trying hard not to be a racist and be progressive; Pete does it without noticing, because it’s not something relevant to him. the privileged “colorblind” liberal, as it were

Comment #58: jadehawk  on  08/24  at  04:53 PM

I miss the Betty that loved her kids enough to kill her neighbor’s pigeons. =(

I have to admit, I expected Betty to become part of second wave Feminism over the course of the show. She seemed to be discovering what she wanted and realizing she wasn’t getting it playing Homemaker to an absent husband. It’s like something snapped in her when she became pregnant and the doctor discouraged her from having an abortion… and I’m a little disappointed.

On the other hand, watching Sally become the victim of all these double standards and pressures to conform is an interesting way to parallel the women’s movement without being too literal.

Comment #59: Cola82  on  08/24  at  05:45 PM

On Miss Blankenship(sp?) I wonder if Don hasn’t fired her yet because he wants to punish himself for messing up with Allison. We do know he has masochistic tendencies sexually, and the heavy drinking and moping he’s been doing could also be viewed as self-punishing. A lot of people have noted that he only seems happy while visiting Anna, and being Dick. The mantle of Don Draper weighs heavily on him, the expectation of being stoic and brilliant. Sometimes I wonder if he crafted that identity to not only get away from the cowardly Dick, but to punish and suppress and flagellate this identity he loathes. Anyway Miss Blankenship is hilarious.

Comment #60: JilliefromChile  on  08/24  at  06:00 PM

Miss Blankenship is not just a punishment Don wants to inflict on himself, or just a punishment Joan wants to inflict on Don for ruining a perfectly good secretary.

It’s Joan’s job to hire and train, as well as supervise, the secretarial pool. Joan’s not going to give Don the chance to waste a new one, and especially not get his hands on someone who’s already proved herself valuable elsewhere in SCDP, like Allison who’d worked her way up.

Until Don has shown true remorse, and has morphed from Drunken Don Wasting Perfectly Good Secretaries to back to the Don Draper who knew the worth of his office support person, he will suffer under Blankenship, whether he likes it or not.

Which is all the better for us, because Blankenship is a hoot.

Comment #61: judybrowni  on  08/24  at  06:17 PM

sorry it was actually Ringo who responded to the old man

And it wasn’t Paul’s grandfather, it was some asshole who barged into the Beatles’ compartment and started bossing them around.

Comment #62: Johnny Pez  on  08/24  at  06:26 PM

Dr. Miller is scary-manipulative, but I don’t think that’s on the fake wedding ring. A lot of women did that before the title “Ms.” took hold and when it was legal to discriminate against and harass women in the workplace based on their marital status and arguably more prevalent to assume that unmarried young women only had jobs to find husbands. In that environment, I probably would have done the same thing.
My take is she told Don because for one thing he kind of caught her out by asking about her family, and also to offer some little intimacy to encourage Don to open up a little. She’s been chomping at the bit to get into his head since he walked out of her presentation.
I also liked her advice to Don that all Sally really needs is to know that he loves her. His expression indicated that it hadn’t occurred to him. The CW then and now is that parents should be given the benefit of the doubt that they love their kids, because they’re their kids. Kids weren’t to question their parents’ love and parents didn’t need to do things like not spend their limited visitation time out on dates or buried in work while their kids are parked in front of the television.

As far as Roger’s sincerity about his war buddies, remember his contempt for the AdAge reporter who’d lost his leg in Korea? Peter showed Don up with the Vick’s cough line account last episode, just as Don was being punished by Joan with a 100-year-old foghorn of a secretary, which is how he knew Peter was right about Roger’s real motivation.

Peter turned on a dime the instant he found out Trudy was pregnant. It was like BAM instant grown-up.

#27: grendelkhan

Did anyone else catch that when Betty was scolding Sally, she said that masturbation should not be done in private, and certainly never in public, but paid lip service to idea that it’s normal but should be done in private when speaking to the psychologist? An intentional double standard, or a slip of the tongue? Does she know that her disgust goes beyond anything reasonable?

Absolutely. Betty has also masturbated in past seasons on the fainting couch and on the washing machine. Her hypocrisy was immediately apparent. She’s just lashing out at Sally for embarrassing her. She’s latched onto what the outside world perceives over what she actually knows, which is that masturbation is normal. Being an abusive narcissist, she hates herself for being a hypocrite (and probably for being what the neighbor lady ostensibly believes is a big ol’ filthy perv for masturbating herself) and projects her self-loathing onto Sally. She’s also deprived of the pertinent information that Sally’s friend was fast asleep and Sally wasn’t putting on a show.

#46: Blue Jean

I remember my mom forcing my stick straight hair into at least one painful perm because curls were what she always wanted for her own straight hair.

Mine really really really wanted to give me a Little Orphan Annie afro with a Toni Home Perm. Insisted. Would not let it go. My hair’s stick-straight too. I hid under the bed while my older sibs talked her down.

Comment #63: snobographer  on  08/24  at  06:41 PM

>I miss the Betty that loved her kids enough to kill her neighbor’s pigeons. =(

We may have gotten a glimpse of her at the end. When she was so relieved that the therapist would not betray by tattling to Betty, even at Betty’s request.  I’m not saying it was by any means unselfish. There was the relief that she was not a quack and so had a chance of “fixing” Sally. There was the relief that Betty could count on the therapist keeping her stuff confidential. But still I suspect at least part of the relief was on behalf of Sally.

Comment #64: Gar Lipow  on  08/24  at  07:38 PM

I think I like having Betty stand in for women that resent feminism because feminists are taking charge in a way that someone like Betty was too fearful to do.  Those women basically killed the ERA.  They were susceptible to “fuck those bitches” arguments, like arguments about how if women had equality in the workplace, they’d steal your husband.

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Comment #66: shany.shany18  on  08/24  at  09:20 PM

Weiner and January Jones have said that Betty isn’t the type to learn very much from her experiences. Plus, Weiner tries not to take the obvious way out. That said, it is disappointing in a way to see Betty not follow a Feminist Mystique plan. On the other hand, it’s kind of refreshing to see a character just not take the obvious lesson….

Comment #67: annejumps  on  08/24  at  10:15 PM

What I like about this show is they show the *other* America—-the majority that voted for Nixon!  The people who may have not been complete wingnuts but weren’t going along with the ride.

Comment #68: Amanda Marcotte  on  08/24  at  11:20 PM

I don’t watch Mad Men, but I did watch the clip of the masturbation scene on Jezebel for context. I thought it was all extremely well done, as described above, but then there was this teeny tiny thing that completely jolted me out of the screen world and made me so very, very sad:

As the camera pans to Sally’s face after she’s begun running her hand up her thighs and under her nighty, she bites her lip. Now I’m not saying that no women genuinely bite their lip when they masturbate, but at the same time it is also a very common porn trope, a telegraph for “I am becoming aroused”. Even for women who do this authentically, it remains a quesiton whether at least some of them aren’t doing it mimetically, in some small way performing the sexual display they’ve been taught to recognise in others.

That a little girl, even a little girl who’s growing up in Hollywood, should be familiar with that trope enough to instinctively telegraph that message to her audience, is such a visible demonstration of how normalised and pervasive porn imagery is in our visual culture… Like I say, very sad, and snapped me completely out of being able to get absorbed in the scene…

Comment #69: MarinaS  on  08/25  at  08:16 AM

@#69,
Any facial gesture meant to convey sexual arousal (although it could also be a gesture of concentration) could well harken back to porn tropes.  The gesture has to be commonly understood enough to convey meaning.  If it’s a porn trope, it seems more likely that the porn directors took it from real life than vice versa and the same goes for this episode’s director.  It seems more likely he asked her to make the gesture than she came up with it on her own, but only those on the set would know.

It’s a bit jarring and disturbing to think a 10 year old actress was conveying anything sexual on screen for entertainment value, but I don’t see the porn connection.

Comment #70: MiddleageLiberal  on  08/25  at  09:10 AM

. . .this episode’s director.  It seems more likely he asked . . .

Should have been “SHE asked”, since the director of this episode was a woman.  Damned internal linguistic stereotype, sorry.

Comment #71: MiddleageLiberal  on  08/25  at  09:14 AM

As the camera pans to Sally’s face after she’s begun running her hand up her thighs and under her nighty, she bites her lip. Now I’m not saying that no women genuinely bite their lip when they masturbate, but at the same time it is also a very common porn trope, a telegraph for “I am becoming aroused”.

I noticed it, too, but read it as shorthand for nervousness at the prospect of doing something unknown and risky. There’s a connection between that and the porn trope you mention, but I think my read was the intent of the actor and director.

Comment #72: Gracchus.  on  08/25  at  09:49 AM

There was only one season of “Honey West”, that’s the reason it never made it into reruns, but according to the Wiki, there was a DVD release of the episodes.

The Honey West character was created by Gloria and Forrest E. “Skip” Fickling under the pseudonym “G.G. Fickling” in the late 1950s. West was one of the first female “private eyes” to ever appear on television. Francis first played West in the Second Season (Episode #2) of Burke’s Law entitled “Who Killed the Jackpot?”, broadcast on April 2, 1965, which led to this series being commissioned as a spin-off.

In the series, West had a partner and man-Friday “Sam” (John Ericson, who had played the Francis character’s brother Pete in Bad Day at Black Rock), who usually stayed in the background or sat in their high-tech surveillance van talking to Honey via a radio hidden in her lipstick case. Her alluring feline qualities were reflected by her animal-print wardrobe and decor. She also kept an exotic pet ocelot named Bruce (in one episode, the African series Daktari was showing on Honey’s TV set, and Honey said “Oh Bruce, why do we always have to watch your show?”). For sneaking around at night and engaging in energetic fight scenes, she wore a black fabric bodystocking reminiscent of Emma Peel’s leather jumpsuit. Like Peel’s Lotus Elan sports car, Honey’s similar-looking AC Cobra convertible also emphasized her independence and vitality. Although the racy content of the novels were excised for television, West often went on solo undercover missions that required a provocative or revealing outfit. She also used a number of James Bond-type gimmicks: an exploding compact, a garter-belt gas mask, and tear-gas earrings. West was also a black-belt in Judo, as was her partner, Sam.

For OTR fans, there’s Candy Mason:

Each job took Candy from her apartment on Telegraph Hill into some actual location in San Francisco. The writers, overseen by Monty, worked plenty of real Bay Area locations into every plot. Most fans think Candy Matson was the finest of all the female Private Eyes on radio, but that’s like trying to promote a horse race from of a very small field. But Candy’s a thoroughbred, that’s for sure. Although the show ran until May 1951, it never attracted a sponsor, and remained a West Coast show. Only a limited number of episodes have surfaced. Too bad Candy’s no longer taking calls, or we could call her about tracking more down.

I saw Robert Vaughn close up a few years after TMFU, he was entertaining political aspirations, which brought him to an event at the community college here in the dusty San Joaquin Valley, and I was a child but it seemed to me that he spoke pretty well for a non-politician.

Here’s one excerpt from TMFH, along with Napoleon Solo in the 21st Century.

Comment #73: Dark Avenger Guardian Chow Mein  on  08/25  at  04:19 PM

The sound quality on AMC is really weak. I download episodes so I can watch them through my ipod and hear what I missed. This week, I missed Selma, which is a big thing to miss.

I also finally got the theme of positive reinforcement and intimacy and the value of listening. And that the only people who understood these concepts without reading The Chrysanthemum and the Sword were Doctors Miller and Edna, Joan, and Henry.
Peter kind of gets the value of listening as far as his advocacy for minority groups goes, as established by his repeating the point about Lassie at the Waldorf. He’s iffy on positive reinforcement though, but he’s starting to learn how to do it without sounding like a phony suck-up.

Also noted, Don steps in for Peter when Roger charges him, but not for Sally when Betty takes a swing at her. It was a slow, wide one too.

Comment #74: snobographer  on  08/25  at  06:12 PM

I thought that the interpreter was one of the more interesting (and understated) characters in this episode.  Does anyone know if he was supposed to be Japanese or Japanese-American?  I’m not sure how much knowing that would change my interpretation of his scenes, but it would certainly cast Roger’s behavior in a slightly different light if it were the latter and he knew it.

Comment #75: Atheist, A Feminist  on  08/25  at  06:42 PM

judybrowni @51; 

Thanks for pointing that out!  I hadn’t been born when “Mad Men” is set, so I didn’t realize salons were different from today’s 24/7 schedule where you can usually find someplace open, especially in New York city.  My first thought was that Joan could find a hairdresser if anybody could, but if the custom was to close everything on Sunday, that wouldn’t help anything. (Besides, I doubt Joan is in a mood to do Don any favors right now.)

snobographer@60,

LOL!  I wish I could have borrowed your brave siblings (mine both got Dad’s genes for curls so they didn’t care about my struggle with Mom over our mutually straight hair.)  Congratulations on your escape from the Little Orphan Annie ‘fro; I was once subjected to a perm that drew stares of shock and disbelief for two months straight. Yikes!

Atheist@75,

I get the feeling that the interpreter was supposed to be Japanese, rather than Japanese-American.  He seemed to have trouble understanding Don’s English description of the creative room, so he just winged it with “I don’t know what this room is for.”

Comment #76: Blue Jean  on  08/25  at  07:54 PM

@Blue Jean

I wondered if the problem with the description was the English explanation or translating the idioms/jokes into Japanese (which could really indicate either).

Comment #77: Atheist, A Feminist  on  08/25  at  08:28 PM

Betty frustrates me. I mean, she always resented her children, but it seemed once that this was because they were making her life boring; that she wanted to DO something interesting, and didn’t get to (the Episode in Rome, for example). And then she gets divorced, and instead of pushing the kids and the house on her ex-husband, she just acts like the only problem had been that Don was the wrong kind of husband to be a housewife to. wtf? did I misread her that badly?
Comment #58: jadehawk on 08/24 at 03:53 PM

She would be considered sick, possibly psychotic, if she dumped her kids on her husband.  It just wasn’t done.

Betty’s upbringing was pretty horrible.  Remember she described how her mother would threaten to cut her hair if she didn’t behave, after she threatened to cut Sally’s fingers.  I think physical violence and threats are part of her childhood.

Don is getting better, but there’s still plenty of the mean Don left.  Firing the babysitter for a totally understandable lapse, for example.  He also yelled at the crew over something, don’t remember what now.

Notice, after Faye said she got people to talk just by asking them questions, Don started asking *her* questions—and getting answers. 

The ring, as others have stated, was just protective.  It reminds me of those goofy Doris Day movies where there’s all kinds of game-playing, playing with the truth.  Early rom com.

The idea of wearing a wedding ring at work to avoid pursuit sounds very familiar.  It may even have been a suggestion from Sex and the Single Girl, the Helen Gurley Brown book.  Brown was the woman who turned Cosmopolitan from a fairly staid periodical into the get a husband sex focused magazine it is today.  I haven’t read the book for decades, though.

Hey, maybe Faye is a nod to Brown?  Brown worked as a secretary at an advertising agency and then became a copywriter, Peggy’s path.  She wasn’t a psychologist in real life but the movie of the book (1965) made her one.

Comment #78: oldfeminist  on  08/25  at  11:52 PM

@oldfeminist - I remember when I was a kid in the 70s hearing pretty often of single women buying cheap gold bands to wear to work as a shield against harassment. I think it was a semi-regular sitcom trope too.
I think Faye told Don that to provide an incentive to get him to open up to her. The whole episode had that theme of providing intimacy/insider info and positive reinforcement to get people to do what you want.

Don is getting better, but there’s still plenty of the mean Don left.  Firing the babysitter for a totally understandable lapse, for example.  He also yelled at the crew over something, don’t remember what now.

He got on Joey’s and that other guy’s case about goofing off with that perpetual motion toy. He also kind of chastised Peggy, Peter, and Joan a little for not reading The Chrysanthemum and the Sword. Joan was the only one who didn’t flinch.

I think Allison went to work for Cosmo. She told Don she was going to work for a magazine and that it’d be interesting working for a woman.
In the Season 1 DVD commentary, Weiner cites Sex and the Single Girl as his source for Joan’s advice to Peggy to get naked and put a bag over her head to inventory her “strengths and weaknesses.”

Comment #79: snobographer  on  08/26  at  01:53 AM

Now I’m not saying that no women genuinely bite their lip when they masturbate, but at the same time it is also a very common porn trope, a telegraph for “I am becoming aroused”. Even for women who do this authentically, it remains a quesiton whether at least some of them aren’t doing it mimetically, in some small way performing the sexual display they’ve been taught to recognise in others.

Lip biting has long been recognized as a signal of arousal (just like wetting the lips), well before porn became mainstream.  Well, arousal as well as nervousness or anxiety, it all depends on context.  I have collections of old TV shows on DVD from the 60s, and you’ll sometimes see an actress doing a good job of presenting love, attraction, flirting or the like doing things like biting her lip.

Comment #80: KeithM  on  08/26  at  02:32 AM

The sound quality on AMC is really weak. I download episodes so I can watch them through my ipod and hear what I missed. This week, I missed Selma, which is a big thing to miss.

I watch with closed-captioning turned on, otherwise I’d definitely miss things.

Comment #81: CalliopeJane  on  08/26  at  02:22 PM

[“Absolutely. Betty has also masturbated in past seasons on the fainting couch and on the washing machine. Her hypocrisy was immediately apparent. She’s just lashing out at Sally for embarrassing her. She’s latched onto what the outside world perceives over what she actually knows, which is that masturbation is normal. Being an abusive narcissist, she hates herself for being a hypocrite (and probably for being what the neighbor lady ostensibly believes is a big ol’ filthy perv for masturbating herself) and projects her self-loathing onto Sally. She’s also deprived of the pertinent information that Sally’s friend was fast asleep and Sally wasn’t putting on a show.”]


Betty’s reaction to Sally’s masterbation is pretty normal.  I’ve encountered a good number of “MAD MEN” fans who believe that Sally may have been sexually molested or need some therapy because she was masterbating.

A lot of people don’t seem to realize that children - at least by the age of 10 - do become aware of sexuality in some form.

I see no point in calling Betty a hypocrite for reacting to her 10 year-old masterbating.  She’s reacting to a child masterbating, not an adult.  And like many adults, she views the idea of children becoming aware of sex as abnormal.

But . . . since many fans are so determine to view Betty as a one-note villainess, I guess there is nothing further to say.  Why is it so easy to view her as screwed up and not the other major characters, who are also screwed up in their own ways?

Comment #82: CTrent  on  08/29  at  02:58 PM

My point in saying Betty’s hypocritical about masturbation is based on the fact that Betty tells Sally that it’s bad to do it ever ever even in private when she’s done it a couple of times herself. Saying one thing and doing the opposite is the definition of hypocrisy.
The fans who believe there’s something terribly wrong with Sally are hypocritical too, because they were also curious about sex and starting to feel around when they were around Sally’s age. Just because it’s common for people to freak out about a child masturbating doesn’t mean it isn’t hypocritical. Hypocrisy itself is common.
I’m the last person on earth who should be accused of painting Betty as a “one-note villianess” or the only screwed up character on the show; I’m one of her staunchest defenders against idiots who want her written out so we can spend more time watching Don chase tail and swill cocktails.
Actually, a thing I’ve noticed in the writing of Mad Men is that direct parallels are made between Betty and Roger Sterling all the time. Practically every episode in which they both appear, they’ll mirror each other’s behavior at some point. And fans will rant about how intolerable Betty is for the exact same thing they’ll excuse or even laud Roger for.

Comment #83: snobographer  on  08/29  at  07:53 PM

My point in saying Betty’s hypocritical about masturbation is based on the fact that Betty tells Sally that it’s bad to do it ever ever even in private when she’s done it a couple of times herself. Saying one thing and doing the opposite is the definition of hypocrisy.


I can understand that . . . to a point.  I just can’t agree with that assessment when Betty is reacting to her ten year-old child masterbating, instead of an adult Sally.  I’m not saying that Betty is right.  Because she’s not.  But let’s be frank.  Most people are uneasy or uncomfortable with the idea of a child’s awareness of sex, even if it’s actually natural.

Comment #84: CTrent  on  08/30  at  12:43 AM

@CTrent

But, Betty confesses to the therapist that she also masturbated as a child.  She just did it privately and “mostly grew out of it” (paraphrased, I think).

Most people are uneasy or uncomfortable with the idea of a child’s awareness of sex, even if it’s actually natural.

So, Betty is realistic and a hypocrite?

Why is it so easy to view her as screwed up and not the other major characters, who are also screwed up in their own ways?

I’m not sure anyone here views any of the other characters as not-screwed-up.  That the other characters are just as bad (or worse) doesn’t make Betty better.  Betty is not a good mother just because Don is an alcoholic, philanderer, and general jackass; Roger is a racist baby; Joan’s husband is a rapist; Pete is a rapist and possibly reformed loser; Miss Blankenship is a crummy secretary; etc.  We have more than enough criticism to go around.

Comment #85: Atheist, A Feminist  on  08/30  at  07:19 AM

@#84: CTrent - Most people are uneasy or uncomfortable with the idea of a child’s awareness of sex, even if it’s actually natural.


And they’re hypocrites, because they were aware of sex when they were children.

Comment #86: snobographer  on  08/30  at  02:35 PM

When Betty was a child, masturbation wasn’t considered harmless.  It was widely expected to lead to maladjustment in sexuality for women—and that was the “liberal” viewpoint.

Her grandparents might have had an even more draconian view, believing it would cause mental illness.  And what her grandparents believed is what her parents would feel, even if they learned better.

Betty’s genuinely conflicted.  She learned that masturbation is bad, morally and perhaps hygienically, yet it feels good.

And don’t forget that someone who sins and wants others not to sin isn’t necessarily hypocritical; she may just be unable to resist “temptation.”  A smoker who recognizes smoking’s danger, and forbids her child to smoke, isn’t a hypocrite, just imperfect.  I don’t recall Betty ever defending her own masturbation.

Comment #87: oldfeminist  on  08/31  at  12:43 AM

@oldfeminist

But that smoker would be a hypocrite if they hid their smoking from their child while forbidding the behavior.  That is, if the smoker pretended to be a non-smoker.

Betty’s masturbation never comes up with Sally (not to say that parenting advice in general doesn’t still tend in that direction), but that does make her a hypocrite.

One who falsely professes to be virtuously or religiously inclined; one who pretends to have feelings or beliefs of a higher order than his real ones; hence generally, a dissembler, pretender.

(Thanks OED!)

I suppose Betty may be a light-hypocrite since she dissembles/lies through omission, but that doesn’t make her any less a pretender.

Comment #88: Atheist, A Feminist  on  08/31  at  03:50 AM
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