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Best things of 2011: Turntable

As the year winds down, I thought I'd end it on a note of cheer, by blogging about a couple of my favorite things. I got the idea from our latest episode of "Opinionated", where Samhita and I listed some of our favorite things about 2011, both in entertainment and just overall. One of the new developments that caused a lovefest was, of course, Turntable.fm, which has its hooks in both myself and Samhita. Samhita has a short post at GOOD on Turntable that explains how the genre rooms tend to replicate the off-line fandoms that support them. 

In the simulated club environment of Turntable, you get to be the DJ, along with four others. When people like your music, they press “awesome” and their avatar heads bop back and forth. It is gratifying—virtual reality at it’s best. Listeners can also hit “lame” if they don’t like it, which quickly reinforces the often stubborn borders of musical genre.

Spend a few hours on Turntable and one thing becomes clear: Musical tastes are fickle and nuanced, so diverse that a computer can’t replicate or auto-generate them no matter how many preferences you put in. Pandora based its algorithm on input from real people (as opposed to the iTunes “Genius” function, which culls data from the store—an indicator of what people are buying, not what they're listening to), but the method still fails to capture the marginal differences in music. And it's the differences that are most important to those with refined musical sensibilities.

I've found it replicates the off-line music nerding world in many other ways, too, which I'm sure Samhita has seen and just didn't have space to discuss. She prefers hanging out in genre rooms, whereas I have a tendency to run with a specific group of people who have somewhat varying tastes, go into "anything goes" rooms, or go into rooms that have wider genre boundaries that don't lend themselves to people diving for the lame button on the grounds that this isn't in-genre. This has advantages and disadvantages, compared to the genre rooms. There's a general expectation that your selection should flow naturally from the one before it, which can often take more guesswork than trying to decide if something's in-genre, though it's not as hard as it sounds for those of us who spent our adolescence and eary adulthood making one mix tape after another. More importantly, you have to play something "good". That is a subjective measure, to say the least. Naturally, I'm full of self-confidence when it comes to my own taste, so if I play something that's maybe a tad avant garde and it gets rejected by people, you can guess where my feelings lay on the subject of whether or not the song or the people judging it fell on the right side of the taste line on this. But, like in real life, you don't want to be an obnoxious fuck, so you quickly learn who is more open to the weird shit and who isn't, and adjust accordingly. People have this image of music snobs as aggressive and uncompromising, but in reality, you'll find that it's all about having a good time, and few are going to just try to shove the most erratic choices on people who aren't in the mood to hear that. No, they wait until you leave the room and only fellow travelers are with them---this is replicated on Turntable. 

What Turntable gives you that real life can't is two major things, I've discovered. One, you can have the experience of sitting around playing records with people any time you want. Real life just doesn't have that. Second of all, it allows you to drop in on people spinning records without having to participate at all. I use that function to get exposure to new music, by dropping into genre rooms, like the hip-hop room or the indie rock room. In other words, you can choose your own adventure. Is it going to be a sitting-around-playing-records-with-friends experience, or a DJ-ing-for-a-large-group experience or a going-to-a-club-to-listen-to-other-DJs-while-you-drink-a-beer experience? Your choice. 

I'm a big fan of the impact that the internet has on being a music fan. In the past, you either had to accept what was on the charts, or do a lot of work in researching to find cool, underground stuff. Now, you can have basically whatever you want with much less work. Instead of going to the record store and listening to records---a time-consuming task---you can go to MP3 blogs and listen to samples before buying, without leaving your house. For people who like music but don't live in areas that have easy access to record stores, the internet is a godsend, and you really see the impact of it when you're chatting with people on Turntable. But the one thing that all this does is removes the communal experience from music.  Playing cool new stuff for friends, exchanging mixtapes, spitballing with people? More than anything, Turntable has filled in that gap, allowing people to go into these spaces and play music for each other while bullshitting about what they like. Like Samhita said, there's no computer program smart enough to replicate that for you, and I doubt there ever will be. 

What would you put on your "best things of the year" list?

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Posted by Amanda Marcotte on 10:40 AM • (24) Comments

Gotta agree, Turntable is a lot of fun! Was nice to see you there last Friday, and everyone else too!

Comment #1: atheist  on  12/29  at  11:45 AM

Agree on the positive impact the internet has had on the experience of being into music—to this day I have favorite artists (and a general vibe in my collection) distinctive to me because of stuff I found online.  I’m still hesitant to get into conversations about it in person because I’m too used to being talked down to by music dudes, but the feeling that I have specific tastes and knowledge that are particular to me and my research style definitely makes it easier for me to enjoy those conversations, and shrug it off when it doesn’t go well.  And online, if I like someone’s taste but not their attitude (really common in the dudes I used to get stuck talking to at parties), I can just skip to the music without reading their review.  It’s overall been really positive even though we are specifically not supposed to stream music at my job, so I haven’t tried Turntable.

Comment #2: themmases  on  12/29  at  11:59 AM

Turntable is definitely up there for me, although I have yet to really use any rooms other than Panda Party.  Spotify is way high on the list, followed by various internet-custom stations, because I’ve found some new favorite bands that I’d only barely heard of otherwise.
And the paper of my favorite research project got published, hell yeah!

Comment #3: ganews_  on  12/29  at  12:05 PM

Out in the real world, I’d have to put the Occupy movement as the “best of the year” if I were to make such a list.  It has the best chance of re-galvanizing the progressive movement.

Comment #4: James  on  12/29  at  12:15 PM

Have you guys seen this? http://everyonesmixtape.com/ It’s more cute than anything else, but worth a look.

Comment #5: Barefoot  on  12/29  at  12:29 PM

Unfortunately, I cannot access Turntable in Europe, so I’ll have to wait to hang out with the Panda crowd, but it does look like lots of fun.

Comment #6: Barefoot  on  12/29  at  12:30 PM

Also, the best time to talk about music is while that music is playing, making the chat room of Turntable inherently more satisfying than a discussion thread in the Music topic of an internet forum.

Comment #7: Cris (without an H)  on  12/29  at  12:50 PM

I had heard of Turntable somewhere else, but I took up your Friday invitation first. Every week, there is a least one tune that I bookmark in some way. So thank you Amanda and the Panda Party, Turntable was a great find for me in 2011!

Comment #8: rodriguez  on  12/29  at  01:16 PM

It’s great to basically have a room for every purpose.  The trance rooms are fantastic for getting one’s Warcraft on, and then there’s Panda Parties for a nice combination of crowd service and ‘WTF was that?’ and more challenging rooms for sipping egg nog and rum.

Comment #9: NBarnes  on  12/29  at  02:11 PM

I’ll have to check turntable.fm out. That meter looks just like the one in Toejam & Earl 2: Panic on Funkotron at Peabo’s Groove Pad.

Comment #10: Xecklothxayyquou Gilchrist  on  12/29  at  02:19 PM

I agree with Cris (without an H) about the best time to talk about music being while it is playing.  I’ve enjoyed not just discussions but singalongs on Turntable.

I have limited knowledge of the modern prog rock scene and would like to expand it, but there aren’t a lot of people playing it on TT.  I’ve favorited a couple of DJs who play prog but they don’t seem to appear too often.  I even tried to bait people into it a couple of times by setting my own room up and sitting there and playing the things I do know for a while, but so far no one shows up, so I can’t even hear what I’m playing.

Sorry, not trying to Eeyore too much.  It’s still fun to listen in other rooms.

Comment #11: oldfeminist  on  12/29  at  03:25 PM

Turntable is a lot of fun, and seconded on Spotify. For awhile, I was a little scared that my musical taste was getting ossified, just because basically the search costs for finding cool new stuff were too high. Not anymore.

Comment #12: inkybrain  on  12/29  at  04:14 PM

What would you put on your “best things of the year” list?

Sticking with the “internet + music” theme, I’ll be be conspicuously uncool and go with Overclocked Remix.  They put out several ridiculously awesome albums this year.

Comment #13: schism  on  12/29  at  06:40 PM

“Have you guys seen this? http://everyonesmixtape.com/ It’s more cute than anything else, but worth a look.”

Good rec.  I’m a fan of http://52mixtapes.com/ myself.

Comment #14: Funky Horns  on  12/29  at  07:28 PM

I’ve only managed to stump Pandora once, with a Dead Can Dance request.  It kept trying to veer into new agey stuff I dislike.

Genius is one of the most misnamed things ever.  Seriously.  I put in a Decemberists song with a Peter Buck guitar lick and it can’t even manage to match it to my REM collection?  FAIL!  Stupidist app ever.

Comment #15: Ms Kate  on  12/30  at  12:25 AM

As someone on the other end of the confidence spectrum about my own music tastes, but a huge hunger for new stuff, I’m loving turntable for the no-participation but tons of exposure aspect.  I’ve found so many new (to me) bands from Panda Party.  And whereas the former Friday top tens were kind of useless, in terms of discovery, turntable is instant gratification.  I only wish they allowed formats other than mp3.

Comment #16: veggiegirl2  on  12/30  at  12:58 AM

Dear Amanda: I love you until the end of days for linking to Turntable.fm.  I found a good dubstep/electronica station, and I haven’t moved from this spot in like the last two hours.

Comment #17: XtinaS  on  12/30  at  01:35 AM

@Comment #15: Ms Kate on 12/29 at 11:25 PM

Genius is one of the most misnamed things ever.  Seriously.  I put in a Decemberists song with a Peter Buck guitar lick and it can’t even manage to match it to my REM collection?  FAIL!  Stupidist app ever.

Yeah, I’ve been disappointed with Genius as well. It seems to match largely on genre and date of release. Or something like that. Pandora’s matching algorithm seems to produce more interesting matches, even though it isn’t perfect either.

Comment #18: atheist  on  12/30  at  06:48 AM

Thirded being disappointed in Genius.  It mostly gives me back songs from the same album and songs I’ve already put together myself on another playlist.  It sneaks things on that I’ve rated low or always skip, and even stuff I’ve removed from that very playlist in the past.  That’s when I don’t stump it—which I do at least a 1/3 of the time.

If I’ve gotten a bunch of stuff recently and want to get to know it, I’ve had much better luck setting wide (i.e. 6 month) parameters for “Recently Added” and keeping a random sample up to 3 hours or so.

Comment #19: themmases  on  12/30  at  09:08 AM

Oh, and one time I actually stumped it with a Michael Jackson song.  I think that was when I stopped using Genius for good.

Comment #20: themmases  on  12/30  at  09:10 AM

I always seem to stump Pandora - it doesn’t seem to understand beat intensity and instrument choice, which is nice sometimes, but not so good other times.

Comment #21: Crissa  on  12/30  at  01:19 PM

Wow, you mean that it takes humans to really understand music? Who coulda known?

Comment #22: atheist  on  12/30  at  01:20 PM

while i enjoy turntable when i get around to using it (unfortunately can’t do so during work or i would frequent the panda parties), i’m very torn. these sites give very paltry royalties to artists.

Comment #23: sarijoul  on  12/30  at  02:17 PM

Sarijoul, maybe, but in a sense Turntable is just one big commercial for the bands. I’ve already bought some things I heard on Turntable first.

Comment #24: atheist  on  12/30  at  08:15 PM
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