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Bill Ayers is the new Vince Foster

And by that, I mean that the repetition of the name will get to the point where it’s drained of all meaning, but is just a bell whistle to extract a Pavlovian hate response towards Obama from right wingers.  That sort of toxic wingnuttery is exactly the sort of thing that tends to turn off middle of the road people, and so I find myself a bit baffled as to why McCain/Palin are ramping it up.  Are they hoping that people will dread another eight years of black helicopter nuts and wacky conspiracy theories and will give into the terrorists who use stupidity as their weapon, electing McCain to get relief?  I doubt it—-the “OMG Ayers-Foster-black-helicopters!” set looks childish in the face of our economic crisis, and anyway, Republicans look guilty by association.  But the tenor of the Republican campaign rallies has turned so ugly, so far to the right, that this is beyond guilt by association.  This is McCain giving a sloppy kiss to the crazies.  What could they possibly be hoping to accomplish with this?

Theories:

McCain has just lost his shit.  The evidence for this is that he’s the kind of person who loses his shit all the time.  Egged on by Palin, it’s possible that McCain is just going to gorge himself on hatred if he can’t win.  Standing before an angry mob that will turn violent on your behalf the second that you say the word probably feels good.  However, it was clear in the debates that the lines that McCain and Palin both thought would just kill went over like rocks with the non-wingnut audience.  Is being immersed in wingnuttery making them forget most Americans are not wingnuts?


They actually think this will win them the election. I can’t see how they could think this, but I had to include it as a possibility.

They’re hoping to incite some violence that will change everything, even perhaps stopping the election.  People like to forget about how rioters in Florida helped Bush “win” an election he didn’t win, but it did happen. As Paul Krugman notes, they’re playing to a constituency that simply refuses to accept that a Democrat can be President.  Having seen what happened in Florida in 2000, and with the knowledge that the wingnut base is also rabidly racist, McCain has got to know that they’re going to be exponentially more furious that people who they don’t think of as legitimate voters (i.e. anyone who would vote Democrat) won this round.  So why is he pushing them, when he knows they’re capable of violence?  Well, violence could change the dynamics of the race.  It seems impossible to me that they would change the dynamics in favor of McCain.  But consider that McCain watched Bush snatch away what he thought was his chance to be President, and ever since then he’s just tried to out-Bush Bush.  This might be another example of him thinking, “If it worked for Bush, then it’ll be twice as good for me if you do it twice as much.”

Sabotaging Obama’s Presidency. Like Krugman says, with the sort of fuel added to the right wing fire, they’re going to be completely insufferable, even compared to the Vince Foster/Whitewater nonsense of the Clinton years.  The seed that was planted with conspiracy theories and fake expose videos blossomed into the impeachment trial, and also, I’d argue, the election theft.  If democracy works this time around, the right will not take it lying down, but do everything in their power to destroy the democratic process.  McCain probably doesn’t know what that might entail, but he’s willing to plant the seed to see what tree will grow.

Palin’s running the show now. And using the tactics that have worked for her in the past on a population of people that have grown all the more wingnutty from isolation and lack of sunshine.

What do you think?

 

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Posted by Amanda Marcotte on 06:49 PM • (76) Comments

Why does it have to be just one of those?  I think it’s probably a combination of McCain being angry that the black guy is winning when he’s sure in his heart that hard working white American people don’t really LIKE blacks, kitchen sink strategy, and a faint, secret hope that maybe one of their supporters will just try to kill Obama and maybe succeed.

Am I too cycnical?

Comment #1: Eric  on  10/10  at  07:03 PM

A combination of 3 and 4, and while I was about to cross out “constituency that simply refuses to accept that a Democrat can be President” and replace that with “Black man like myself” I have to admit you’re right there, if Colin Powell was running, nobody in the entire Republican party would have a single problem with his race, but Democrats would be automatic racists as a result.

It’s option 3 there that really, really bothers me.  Option 4 was always a given, to try to make Obama illegitimate in the eyes of as many Americans as possible, as in “that n***** is not MY President dammit” but option 3 is the real deal.

We have wingnuts going on killing sprees because of local liberals in their own neighborhood, much less the cold dread these hyperpartisan time bombs are feeling right now because they know McSame/Palin is a loser of a ticket.

It only will take one person pushed over the edge with a weapon and a grudge to give Bush an excuse in these turbulent times to do crazy shit like “martial law until further notice”, much less the real tragedy of anything happening to Obama.

But just look at our history.  “The financial meltdown’s the fault of poor minorities, remember?  It’s all Obama’s fault…he must be stopped by any means necessary.”

As it becomes more obvious that Obama will win, the crazies will be pressured more and more to “act before it’s too late.”

Comment #2: Zandar  on  10/10  at  07:05 PM

Like Krugman says, with the sort of fuel added to the right wing fire, they’re going to be completely insufferable, even compared to the Vince Foster/Whitewater nonsense of the Clinton years.

Except this time they’ll be lucky to have 41 seats in the Senate and won’t be able to launch partisan witch hunts so easily.

Comment #3: Ben D.  on  10/10  at  07:12 PM

“That sort of toxic wingnuttery is exactly the sort of thing that tends to turn off middle of the road people”

“Ugh all of this back and forth meanness from the political politicians and their politicking politically just makes me so sick I wish one of the candidates would just compromise and come together to a more reasonable campaigning strategy that is moderate and centrist. But they’re all the same. I guess I won’t vote this year.”

It will probably work a little bit, but not enough.

Comment #4: Dicko  on  10/10  at  07:12 PM

and a faint, secret hope that maybe one of their supporters will just try to kill Obama and maybe succeed.

If God forbid that happens, that’s a pretty stupid strategy because it means Biden and VP-to-be-named win in a fifty state landslide from the backlash.

Comment #5: Ben D.  on  10/10  at  07:13 PM

And the Republicans will be lucky to have ten Senators left.

Comment #6: Ben D.  on  10/10  at  07:14 PM

All of the above? tongue laugh

Comment #7: annejumps  on  10/10  at  07:17 PM

Prediction: If McCain sees this strategy killing his internals (and they are sinking him in the polls) he will cut it out come next week and tone it down.

Comment #8: Ben D.  on  10/10  at  07:18 PM

Ben D. said

If God forbid that happens, that’s a pretty stupid strategy because it means Biden and VP-to-be-named win in a fifty state landslide from the backlash.

I guess I am too cynical, because I think McCain has already internalized losing this election and just wants to cause as much damage, physical and psychic, as possible.

Comment #9: Eric  on  10/10  at  07:18 PM

A real assassination attempt would certainly put “that one” in his place, wouldn’t it?  :/

Comment #10: Eric  on  10/10  at  07:19 PM

But Eric, to his own legacy? I mean, you think he’d at least care about himself!

Comment #11: Ben D.  on  10/10  at  07:20 PM

After watching Michelle Obama on The Daily Show this week, I feel very, very sorry for what the batshit arm of the media will put her through once she becomes First Lady.  (And very sorry for myself for the crap that I’ll have to hear regularly from the batshit arm of the populace) Hell, they hold unparalleled hatred for Hillary Clinton because she’s smart, informed and involved.  What happens when we add POC to that mix?

So I’ll go with options 2, 3 and 4.

Comment #12: Jake Squid  on  10/10  at  07:20 PM

I’m going to be optimistic and say that I think McCain’s doing it because he realizes that he doesn’t want to be president anymore.  The financial meltdown and the continuing deterioration in Afghanizstan, and the fact that even Patreaus is saying we should negoiate with Iran is taking all the potential fun out of the job.  Or he realizes that he made a big mistake with Palin and he really doesn’t think he’s going to survive the four years. Or he’s just tired.  Any of these are good reasons to throw the campaign.

Now if only I believed that….

Comment #13: kajey  on  10/10  at  07:21 PM

I’m listening to him in a town hall now.

He said earlier that “Let me just say, respect Senator Obama. You don’t have to fear him as President, he’s a good man and I respect him.” A few boos, then polite applause.

Just now:

Woman: I don’t trust him—he’s an Arab and a Muslim.
McCain: “No ma’am, that’s not true—he’s a Christian and good and decent person with a loving family”
Polite applause.

Maybe he’s stopping it.

Comment #14: Ben D.  on  10/10  at  07:22 PM

I’m a big man, I can admit when I’m wrong!  So.. Ben D., my cynicism was misplaced. raspberry

Comment #15: Eric  on  10/10  at  07:25 PM

Ben, if he’s “stopping” it it’s not because he’s just doing the good and decent thing. Maybe he just doesn’t want to look bad. I doubt Palin will stop it.

Comment #16: annejumps  on  10/10  at  07:25 PM

Annejumps—

Of course it’s entirely selfish. But it’s good for the country, all the same, if he stops this mess.

I have a feeling Palin will be metaphorically stuffed in the closet for the rest of the election. I mean she’s touring West Virginia. That’s not exactly a swing state.

Comment #17: Ben D.  on  10/10  at  07:26 PM

I think there are a couple of factors at work here. First, you can’t over emphasize the fact that nothing else they’ve tried has worked. They’re on Plan Z because Plans A-Y have already failed. This leads into the second factor. The Republican power brokers have already accepted McCain’s defeat. They’re looking ahead to 2010 and 2012. But they’re afraid that if they treat it that way, a hell of a lot of Republican voters will just stay home on election day, which would be disastrous for the down ticket close races they still have a chance to either hold or win. It’s one thing for McCain to lose - it’s another entirely for him to drag everyone else down with him.

Comment #18: Dweeze  on  10/10  at  07:29 PM

I think the people in charge of McCain’s campaign (and I don’t think that includes McCain himself) know damn well they’ve lost the election. They’re whipping up the angry base to throw as many obstacles as possible at an Obama administration and to build some energy for a 2012 run with someone they like better (probably Palin, if she doesn’t get impeached by the Alaskan legislature).

Comment #19: Phoebe Fay  on  10/10  at  07:42 PM

I think this is going to end up bringing down Obama’s numbers a bit next week, and so they will go on attacking in background - rumors, fox news, insidious mailings. McCain won’t bring this up at the debate because it has to look like he’s keeping his head above all this, like his statements today. But this is the ultimate swift boat attack, trying to turn Obama into a Muslim terrorist.

Comment #20: gwrak  on  10/10  at  07:50 PM

If God forbid that happens, that’s a pretty stupid strategy because it means Biden and VP-to-be-named win in a fifty state landslide from the backlash.

Wouldn’t it make more sense to swap out Obama for Clinton?  I worry that it would be a power struggle.  I hope that Howard Dean has been on many meetings to plan for what will happen in the worst case and they know EXACTLY who to substitute.

Comment #21: Amanda Marcotte  on  10/10  at  07:51 PM

Where did you hear that, Ben?  That’s a big change in tune, especially with the ACORN ad they just released.

Comment #22: Amanda Marcotte  on  10/10  at  07:59 PM

I vote for theory 2, because, as we saw from the Ohio rabble in Pam´s post, some voters simply cannot be underestimated. I think McCain is hoping to incite the rabble and hope that more sensible voters either don´t notice or just dismiss it as dirty politics as usual. Given how tired people must be of the Bush team´s politics, and how Obama has stayed away from attacks like this, I bet it doesn´t work with the intelligent voters.

Comment #23: Luke  on  10/10  at  08:04 PM

Where did you hear that, Ben?

There’s a post at TPM, linking to a Swampland piece.

But then something weird happens: He acknowledges the “energy” people have been showing at rallies, and how glad he is that people are excited. But, he says, “I respect Sen. Obama and his accomplishments.” People booed at the mention of his name. McCain, visibly angry, stopped them: “I want EVERYONE to be respectful, and lets make sure we are.”

The very next questioner tried to push back on this request, noting that he needed to “tell the American the TRUTH about Barack Obama”—a not very subtle way, I think, to ask John McCain to NOT tell the truth about Barack Obama. McCain told her there’s a “difference between record and rhetoric, and I plan to talk about his record, respectfully… I don’t mean that has to reduce your ferocity, I just mean it has to be respectful.”

And then later, again, someone dangled a great big piece of low-hanging fruit in front of McCain: “I’m scared to bring up my child in a world where Barack Obama is president.”

McCain replies, “Well, I don’t want him to be president, either. I wouldn’t be running if I did. But,” and he pauses for emphasis, “you don’t have to be scared to have him be President of the United States.” A round of boos.

I think someone’s internal polling must have gotten significantly worse…

Comment #24: Dweeze  on  10/10  at  08:05 PM

Oddly, this is not unlike Rove’s strategy in ‘04. McGramp’s, however, doesn’t have the Christian appeal to the base, so he has to take the Jon Birch/Black Helicopter road to their hearts. From a political standpoint, this shows an enormous weakness: with less than 30 days to the election you shouldn’t be still working your base. From a cultural standpoint, this type of rhetoric is pretty dangerous—some of it is similar to what we heard in the 80’s and early ‘90s from the Patriot movement, which inspired the Oklahoma City bombing….

Comment #25: sjk  on  10/10  at  08:06 PM

Wouldn’t it make more sense to swap out Obama for Clinton?

It would depend on the case by state, but I think the ballots are by and large locked in as Obama/Biden.  Think Mel Carnahan.  If Obama goes, the 25th Amendment would theoretically kick in and Biden would take office, possibly by being inagurated as the VP first, then as the President.

Comment #26: Doug H. (Fausto no more)  on  10/10  at  08:08 PM

If Obama goes, the 25th Amendment would theoretically kick in and Biden would take office…

Actually, the 25th Amendment would only be in effect after the swearing in. I believe, as there is no precedent for this, that the official appointment would go to the electoral college—which would award the votes to a replacement. The only precedents I can think of, off hand, involve Senatorial races where the elected Senator’s wife took her husband’s seat….

Comment #27: sjk  on  10/10  at  08:17 PM

It’s pretty natural.  It was the same way when the Clintons were at the end of the primary period.  One will always get the anti-uppity black person contigent supporting the losing white pol.

Comment #28: shah8  on  10/10  at  08:25 PM

I have a feeling Palin will be metaphorically stuffed in the closet for the rest of the election. I mean she’s touring West Virginia. That’s not exactly a swing state.

In fact, Obama has a very slight lead in WV, according to the latest polling.  I’m not saying it’ll stick, but there’s reason for McCain to be nervous, even there.

Comment #29: ks  on  10/10  at  08:49 PM

They had some clips of that woman at a town hall saying Obama was an Arab, McCain objecting and saying he was a decent man not to be afraid of, etc., on Hardball just now. Man, it was funny watching Pat Buchanan shriek about how it’s perfectly okay to use someone’s full name when talking about them, and Chris Matthews having none of it in Obama’s case.

Comment #30: annejumps  on  10/10  at  08:50 PM

Electors can vote for anyone they please. If the DNC says vote for Biden, they vote for Biden, even if his name technically isn’t at the top of the ballot.

Comment #31: Ben D.  on  10/10  at  08:54 PM

Amanda, the AP’s reporting that McCain’s actually tried to tone down his supporters today.  It may be too little too late, and it may be for self-serving reasons, but Ben’s right.

Comment #32: nolo  on  10/10  at  09:00 PM

My big “oh shit” scenario since Obama locked up the nom, has gone something like this:
1) “Lone nut”(suuuuuuure) murders Obama.
2)  People take to the streets, saying unhinged things like “Oh no, not again,” or “Boy, I’m pissed off!”
3) Bush, in the face of “civil unrest” declares martial law, suspends Contitution, cancels election, annoin ts McCain with oil.
4) Profit!  Well, for those who want an official one-party state, anyway.

Comment #33: Scott the Obscure  on  10/10  at  09:11 PM

Woman: I don’t trust him—he’s an Arab and a Muslim.
McCain: “No ma’am, that’s not true—he’s a Christian and good and decent person with a loving family”
Polite applause.

Well, that’s a big improvement from the Nuremberg stylin’ that’s been going on. Just one more step to saying “And BTW Arab or Muslim doesn’t mean evil.”

Comment #34: SamFromUtah  on  10/10  at  09:13 PM

I will believe that McCain is toning down the hatred-stoking when I see the rest of the campaign.  Right now it’s just “look at me, I’m honourable” and providing video clips for the MSM and youtube until he actually starts yanking the negative ads, pushing back on the email campaigns, and so forth.

Comment #35: seeker6079  on  10/10  at  09:14 PM

I think McCain 1) realizes he will lose, 2) doesn’t want to go down as some kind of asshole racist in history.

Maybe he wants to run Veteran Affairs under Obama. He KNOWS he will lose. I could see it in his eyes at that town hall. He looks like Bush Sr. at this time in 1992, or Dole in 1996.

Comment #36: Ben D.  on  10/10  at  09:15 PM

“hoping that people will dread another eight years of black helicopter nuts and wacky conspiracy theories”

There really are Black Helicopters! I’m a pilot, and I was chased down by one when it was determined that my flight path looked just like one that drug smuggler planes use coming out of Canada near Vancouver, into Washington State near Port Townsend. When I landed, I was surprised to get out of my plane and see two young gentlemen in green khaki flight suits with 9mm pistols asking for my “papers”.
Ultimately, there was no problem, but the Helicopter is a Black Sikorsky UH-60 with gold Homeland Security lettering in small font on the side.

Comment #37: Pirx the Pilot  on  10/10  at  09:19 PM

I think if there’s a Sum of All Fears incident with either member of the Democratic ticket, it helps the Republicans get a new throw at the dice and take the media power “high country.”  Perhaps my view is extreme but that’s what I think.

Comment #38: Bruce  on  10/10  at  09:25 PM

Troopergate report:

http://media.adn.com/smedia/2008/10/10/16/Branchflowerreport.source.prod_affiliate.7.pdf

Comment #39: staydaddy  on  10/10  at  09:26 PM

No, a Sum of All Fears incident means 1964 all over again and a complete discrediting of the entire right wing. A Rush Limbaugh will be run off the air type of backlash.

Comment #40: Ben D.  on  10/10  at  09:26 PM

It’s taken this long for Mcain to get to the fake-respect part of the Rove playbook. He’s going to gently deplore violent language when he hears it in front of a camera, and he’s going to keep running the Ayers ads, and his surrogates from Palin on down are going to keep whipping up the crowds, and he’s going to deplore the “fact” that he’s unable to control vicious smears by 527s and Fox. And then all the pundits he’s lost are going to come back around and praise the Last Maverick for being such a an honorable man and express their faith that once he’s president he won’t be compelled to let people on his side say such nasty things.

Even while McCain is telling people to tone things down, his campaign staff is giving interviews defending the death threats as justifiable anger…

Comment #41: paul  on  10/10  at  09:27 PM

BREAKING: Palin Abused Power, Broke State Law, Troopergate Report Says.

Comment #42: Ben D.  on  10/10  at  09:33 PM

Guilty. Read page seven of the report at the link above, Then Section 4.

Comment #43: staydaddy  on  10/10  at  09:34 PM

page 52 forward has the juicy stuff.

Comment #44: staydaddy  on  10/10  at  09:37 PM

Does this mean an indictment?

Comment #45: Ben D.  on  10/10  at  09:39 PM

I’m wondering if McCain had a Kathleen Parker moment where he suddenly realized that, yes, people on the right do this and have been doing this for years.  Christopher Buckley said that one of the factors in his endorsing Obama was the vicious response that Parker got to her column in the New Republic saying that Palin should resign.

It’s possible that until now, McCain didn’t really realize how bad things had gotten.  It sounds ridiculous to us, but we don’t live in the Republican bubble.

Comment #46: Mnemosyne  on  10/10  at  09:54 PM

Haha, looks like Todd was running the show for the Flailin’s. Monegan was fired because Todd didn’t like him. AWWWW, poor baby.  Top of page 64

Comment #47: staydaddy  on  10/10  at  10:00 PM

So the secessionist piece of shit is the one really running the show?

Comment #48: Ben D.  on  10/10  at  10:02 PM

If God forbid that happens, that’s a pretty stupid strategy because it means Biden and VP-to-be-named win in a fifty state landslide from the backlash.

40 states perhaps.  Alaska, Idaho, SC, Mississippi, Alabama, Texas, Utah, Nebraska, Kansas,  and North Dakota will still be red.  (maybe Georgia too).

Comment #49: Woodrowfan  on  10/10  at  10:02 PM

Am I being overly cynical to think maybe the reason McCain starting dialing back on the Obama attacks is because the campaign got a whiff that the Palin report would be released and felt the need to pull the whole character issue off the table?

Comment #50: Dweeze  on  10/10  at  10:02 PM

Page 67 sums up SP’s involvement and guilt in Troopergate.

Comment #51: staydaddy  on  10/10  at  10:05 PM

Indictment possible, staydaddy?

Comment #52: Ben D.  on  10/10  at  10:10 PM

Hmmmm (takes a drag on the cigarette), I love to read you Troopergate.  That was most excellent. Who knew we were so compatible? For months I’ve been waiting, watching your every move. Now we’re together finally. What, there’s more? You little devil, ok, page 68 and then 69? You bet I’m up for it!
**Throws covers off of monitor and stabs out unfinished smoke….**

Comment #53: staydaddy  on  10/10  at  10:11 PM

errr, can’t you see we’re, umm, a little busy….

Comment #54: staydaddy  on  10/10  at  10:12 PM

I kinda suspect someone in the McCain camp stepped up and said, “John, I know you think this is fun, but if one of these loons takes a shot at Obama, you’ll lose badly, the Republicans will never win an election again, at least half of our base will get arrested, and you’ll go down in history as the racist motherfucker who pushed his followers to kill his opponent. Get those lunatics to calm down FAST.”

Comment #55: Scott  on  10/10  at  10:15 PM

On these facts, she should not be indicted. She should not be elected VP, because she is not qualified and advocates odious policy positions and cultural narratives for the USA. Troopergate also suggests that her governing style is ill-suited for a democracy and calls her judgment into question. But let´s leave it to the GOP to try to slam people they don´t like simply for not liking them - e.g., the harassment of the Clintons in the ´90s.

Comment #56: Luke  on  10/10  at  10:23 PM

Here’s the Alaska Law section she violated.
I have no idea what to make of the report (as far as what it will do to her personally), but it sure reads well, and that skunk will stink awhile even if sure walks with no charges.

Any Alaska lawyers around?


http://touchngo.com/lglcntr/akstats/Statutes/Title39/Chapter52.htm

Comment #57: staydaddy  on  10/10  at  10:29 PM

The following excerpt from the above, Title39 Chapter52 Section410(d) is the step that would ultimately punish Gov. Palin, but it sounds like the personnel board, whatever that is, may need to convene first , if they haven’t already.

(d) If the personnel board finds a violation of this chapter by a public officer removable from office only by impeachment, it shall file a report with the president of the Senate, with its finding. The report must contain a statement of the facts alleged to constitute the violation.

Comment #58: staydaddy  on  10/10  at  10:36 PM

Isn’t that the personnel board that Palin appointed and ordered to produce a report exonerating her? I would assume that the Alaska senate could act by itself, should it choose to.

Comment #59: paul  on  10/10  at  10:40 PM

Impeachment? Hmmmm, seems unlikely since the state is Red. But I’ll make the popcorn if the Senate throws the party! Would be fun!

Maybe they would reprimand her in some way. I’d expect Wooten (the trooper) to try and sue the whole bunch of them over this.

Comment #60: staydaddy  on  10/10  at  10:42 PM

Sabotaging Obama’s Presidency. Like Krugman says, with the sort of fuel added to the right wing fire, they’re going to be completely insufferable, even compared to the Vince Foster/Whitewater nonsense of the Clinton years.  The seed that was planted with conspiracy theories and fake expose videos blossomed into the impeachment trial, and also, I’d argue, the election theft.  If democracy works this time around, the right will not take it lying down, but do everything in their power to destroy the democratic process.

Isn’t it good, then, that President Obama now has the power to declare any right-wing activist an “enemy combatant” and hold them indefinitely without trial or habeous corpus rights?

Feel free to point that out to any wingnuts who are worried about him *now*...

Comment #61: Phoenician in a time of Romans  on  10/10  at  10:44 PM

Thanks for the memories, Troopergate.  (*smoothing my hair) Maybe I’ll see you around? Yeah, I’ll be in touch if I hear your in town again.

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Comment #62: staydaddy  on  10/10  at  10:45 PM

PIOTR, I think any recent secessionists should be debriefed in Gitmo.

Comment #63: staydaddy  on  10/10  at  10:47 PM

“Isn’t it good, then, that President Obama now has the power to declare any right-wing activist an “enemy combatant” and hold them indefinitely without trial or habeous corpus rights? “

HA! (in Chris Matthews voice)

Comment #64: Ben D.  on  10/10  at  10:48 PM

“Maybe they would reprimand her in some way. I’d expect Wooten (the trooper) to try and sue the whole bunch of them over this. “

you mean the trooper who tazered his step son?

Comment #65: KLH  on  10/10  at  11:27 PM

“I’m listening to him in a town hall now.

He said earlier that “Let me just say, respect Senator Obama. You don’t have to fear him as President, he’s a good man and I respect him.” A few boos, then polite applause.

Just now:

Woman: I don’t trust him—he’s an Arab and a Muslim.
McCain: “No ma’am, that’s not true—he’s a Christian and good and decent person with a loving family”
Polite applause.

Maybe he’s stopping it.”

The crowds are in general not having it, though.  The reaction shots to his “just kidding, he’s cool” moments have all been mixes of wtf expressions, smirks like he’d added “nudge nudge, wink wink” to the end of it, and boos.  Which is kind of the problem with this style of politicking—you’re playing demagogue to a crowd, not conductor for the Boston Philharmonic.  Once you get something going strong, it’s very difficult to put the brakes on it if you then decide that maybe it wasn’t such a hot idea after all.

Comment #66: preying mantis  on  10/10  at  11:51 PM

you mean the trooper who tazered his step son?

Wow, we never heard about that before, KLH.

I guess you’re right.  It’s okay if a governor (or vice president…or president…) breaks the law if they swear they’re only doing it to get bad guys.

Comment #67: Seraph  on  10/11  at  12:54 AM

I think the most rabid, race-baiting attacks against Obama come from the Rove Machine because an Obama win, with a solid Democratic majority in both houses would spell the end of the Conservative Movement.  All the Norquist money and think tanks will have been for nought, flaming out spectacularly in light of the empirical evidence that sound governance works.  They are desparate, so they are doubly vicious.

I think the reason that McCain is dialing back on the rage-rhetoric is that he’s realized that he’s trapped.  He’s reached into a dark hole, and grasped a viper by the neck… he can’t let go of the snake, and he can’t remove his hand.  If he loses, his senatorial career is kaput, he will no longer enjoy the collegial atmosphere that seems to characterize the Senate, if he wins, he will receive no cooperation from the Democrats in Congress, and will be a lame duck from the start.  I can’t say I feel sorry for the bastard, but he has become a Lear-esque figure.

Comment #68: Big Bad Bald Bastard  on  10/11  at  01:11 AM

I’m sure Obama, the man with ice water in his veins when it comes to strategy and tactics, has already prepared for the contingency of his own assassination. I would be willing to bet there’s a posthumous address to the nation on a DVD somewhere, something along the lines of Joe Hill’s “Don’t mourn, boys, organize!” but more eloquent.

Comment #69: sunsin  on  10/11  at  02:16 AM

you mean the trooper who tazered his step son?

You mean the one who married into the family that didn’t think that Tasering the kid was a problem until two years after it happened when they were locked in a nasty divorce battle?  Then all of a sudden they were deeply, deeply worried about this incident that had happened two years before that they clearly didn’t think was a problem at the time since they never reported it to the police.

Yeah, that one.  The one that Palin was so intent on getting fired that she fired the state’s director of public safety when he refused to do it, and then came up with several stories, most of them conflicting, to cover up the fact that she’d fired him solely because he wouldn’t fire her ex-brother-in-law.

Oh, but I’m sure the independent investigator is just a lying partisan who can’t be believed no matter what evidence he has, right?  Anything to stay in the delusion as long as possible.

Comment #70: Mnemosyne  on  10/11  at  02:51 AM

I think McCain’s conflicted. There’s McCain as he is: he’s been a nasty little troll his whole life.  And there’s McCain as he wants to be: a statesman who can conduct a decent and honorable campaign.

And he’s fallen in with bad company: people who have no values except winning.

Comment #71: Rev. Bob  on  10/11  at  08:20 AM

KLH,
Of course I mean the trooper Wooten to which you refer. It is terrible that the Palin’s have given him a reason to enrich himself from the coffers fo Alaska through their poor judgment. Why are you defending that?

Comment #72: staydaddy  on  10/11  at  10:06 AM

The “two years” element noted by Mnemosyne is the kicker. 

According to the trooper, the tasing was done voluntarily, with the gizmo dialled way down to next-to-nothing, because the kid asked how it worked/felt.

According the Palin family it was involuntary, and abusive.

To believe the Palins we also have to believe that this attack didn’t become heinous until years later, in the middle of an acrimonious divorce action.

Comment #73: seeker6079  on  10/11  at  10:43 AM

I’m going to praise McCain with the caveat that when Palin starts saying it, I’ll believe that they’re really seeing this as a dangerous situation.

Comment #74: Amanda Marcotte  on  10/11  at  11:56 AM

This is a setup to frame the “bradley Effect” for November 4th.  Everyoneknows how racist the country is.  My guess is 40% hard core racists, 25% subconsciously racist, 10% truly indifferent, and the rest (like me) who still “see” race, and aren’t swayed either way by it ( I support Kucinic, and hold my nose voting for Obama for non-racial reasons).

That said, we all know racists.  We (progs) are the target demographic of this Three Weeks Hate. We all expect racism, and none of of us are really surprised to see ‘murkins expressing such naked hatred.  The trick is to create the illusion that this is possibly more widespread than even we believe. 
Why?  To keep down insurrection after the Great Theft occurs. 

This dilutes our outrage (heightens our helplessness; who do we protest/arrest?).  Eleven points is still within the margin of hate, so voter suppression, e-rigging, and the absence of exit polls create the perfect storm.  Nothing as blatant as martial law is necessary.  We’ll see a flood of different spins on the MSM and the RWW (right wing web) that will last well past Jan. 20.

This is also whistleblower-proof.  Too many angles of attack to diffuse with Sunshine. People with jobs and heavy debt (like me) will be the most vulnerable to this tactic, and it will work. Kerry’s capitulation is prologue. 

My hope is that this will not be effective locally, and we will gain in the legislatures, but that’s a double-edged sword:  Obama will not push back on the general Presidential results because he will not want to set back, among other things the SC nominations we’d have coming.

I hope I’m wrong.  I hope our votes matter and my crazy relatives stay calm.

Comment #75: Cointreau P. Leviticus  on  10/11  at  12:10 PM
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