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imageI’m sorry, but I’m obsessed with Big Hollywood.  Andrew Breitbart managed to assemble the ur-wingnut site, and then focus every single contributor on the most inane topic imaginable - their own victimization at the hands of people who entertain intentionally.  It’s like assembling the greatest minds of the Renaissance to figure out the nature of existence, except the exact opposite of that.

Debbie Schlussel, who you make recognize as every racist relative in your family, wonders when Hollywood will, and I quote, “stop glorifying hip-hop thugs”.  Keep in mind that she also loved Paul Blart: Mall Cop, which may actually be a worse offense than racism.

There’s a long history of making movies about people who were in gangs, from West Side Story to American Gangster.  For some reason, a movie about a compelling, larger than life figure, however imperfect, can’t be a continuation of a cinematic tradition going back to the very beginnings of celluloid - it’s got to be affirmative action:

I walked out thinking that I guess this is the new civil rights:  If you’re gonna make a hero out of a White (Larry Flynt) and Latino (Ernesto “Che” Guevara) scumbags, then I guess the new “equality” is to do the same for a Black scumbag . . . on the eve of Martin Luther King, Jr. Day.

Makes sense - why else would you make a biopic out of a multiplatinum recording artist’s life unless you made a movie about free speech rights for a white guy thirteen years ago?  It’s sad that we won’t get the Wutang movie until Nazis Come To Skokie gets made, but them’s the breaks, kid. 

After Schlussel bares her id, it’s time for the killer right hook - there was a shooting at a movie theater which was showing Notorious this weekend!  Surely, with a white Iraq vet shooting another moviegoer at a showing of The Curious Case of Benjamin Button, which may contend for the whitest movie ever made, they wouldn’t go straight to the Savage Negro theory, would they? 

Would I be asking that question if they didn’t?

Local police say that they cannot be certain about whether there is a link between the shooting and the movie Notorious, which is playing on three screens at the complex, but let’s be honest. Every theatre that opened this movie had legitimate security concerns given that Christopher Wallace aka Biggie Smalls aka Notorious B.I.G. lived and died violently.

Right, just like movie theaters had legitimate security concerns over, among other movies, 300, Monster, Cinderella Man, The New World and The Assassination of Jesse James by the Coward Robert Ford, all of which featured people who lived and/or died violently.  Since we heard no major concerns over a string of homicidal woman-on-woman killings in 2003, this can’t just be about people whose lives were filled with violence - you could barely show a movie in this country!  Well, Christopher Wallace was obese, so maybe that’s it.  Hollywood’s never produced anything about someone with a high BMI who committed a crime before.  Makes perfect sense.

Oh, and the reason police can’t be certain about the link between the movie and the shooting?  The shooting happened in a hallway, outside of any theater.  The only reason there’s even a connection between the shooting and the movie is because the theater decided to reopen, but stop showing Notorious - and only Notorious - in the shooting’s aftermath.  Here’s a list of the movies showing at the theater, Notorious being the only one involving violence, bad language or anything less than saints feeding starving children.  Oh, and Marley and Me, but fuck that piece of shit.  Patrons noticed the problem:

Keisha McMillan of Greensboro showed up Saturday at the Grand 18 to watch the movie, only to find it wasn’t showing.

“I think it’s stereotyping,” she said. “I think it’s because it’s a black movie. If it was another kind of movie, they wouldn’t have canceled it.”

McMillan questioned whether the shooting had anything to do with the movie in the first place.Police said it was unclear if there was any connection.

Tyrae Ellison , who had been at the theater Friday to watch another movie, said the building was packed and the argument might have had something to do with long lines of people waiting to get a seat.

Regardless, what happened shouldn’t be blamed on “Notorious,” he said.

“It’s not the movie’s fault,” Ellison said.

With names like Keisha and Tyrae, though, well…you know.  Probably went to see Bride Wars, and you know you can’t trust those people.

This is already being turned into a Notorious shooting, based on little more than the theater’s seeming overreaction to the event as it relates to the film.  No story I can find actually links the shooting to any showing of the movie - there’s not even a patron willing to say they saw or heard a connection, and local news can usually get eyewitnesses to blame gangsta rap for everything from osteoporosis to excessive cleavage in high school.  Betcha Notorious gets attacked for this far longer than Benjamin Button gets blamed for the shooting that actually happened in the theater.  It fits a narrative, after all.

 

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Posted by Jesse Taylor on 09:41 AM • (65) Comments

This sounds familiar.  About 4-5 years ago I worked in a cinema and the management there were among the most racist people I have ever encountered in my life.  The cinema usually did not get in what they termed to be “black movies” and when they did by accident (ie a film canister shipped to the wrong location) it usually resulted in an absolute freak out by the management that we had to be ‘extra careful’ because it would attract ‘those people’.  Incidentally, the movie in question that time was White Chicks, so I don’t think that even qualifies.

The cinema (and the neighbourhood I lived in, I only worked there because it was close to home) is in a predominantly immigrant neighbourhood, largely made up of middle eastern, Somali and south asian Muslims, so the staff were largely black/poc and had to put up with this constant racist bullshit.  I won’t even get into the time they decided we had to get extra security and batten down the hatches because it was Eid, and clearly that meant the Muslims were going to go crazy or some nonsense.

Comment #1: Arianna  on  01/18  at  10:20 AM

Wow, Arianna… how did it come about that the cinema was run this way?  Was it just a crazy manager or something?  I would’ve thought that people running a cinema in an immigrant neighborhood wouldn’t be that kind of crazy.

Comment #2: Neil the Ethical Werewolf  on  01/18  at  10:28 AM

Well, it was part of a major chain of cinemas and basically the only multiplex style cinema in the west end of a fairly sprawly, fairly populous, fairly white city.  It seemed that they wanted to discourage the ‘locals’ from visiting so that the wealthier white people from the other nearby areas would come.  Combine that with basically no contact with the upper management of the chain (vs the lower management of the actual location) and the fact that the location’s management was 100% white and their much despised minimum wage staff was almost 100% non-white, you can see how it sort of got that way.  Basically there are only three very large cinemas in the city, one being in the very far east end, one in an adjoining town that was eventually amalgamated into the city, and the one I worked at.  The whole chain has been bought out by Cineplex now, so I dunno if things have changed or not as I only worked there for about 8 months 4-5 years ago.

Comment #3: Arianna  on  01/18  at  11:05 AM

It’s sad that we won’t get the Wutang movie until Nazis Come To Skokie gets made, but them’s the breaks, kid.

Want a Skokie movie? You got it:

http://us.imdb.com/title/tt0083090/

So where’s the Wutang clan movie?

Comment #4: Michael  on  01/18  at  11:26 AM

Wasn’t there a similar (bogus) panic in 1979 when “The Warriors” came out?  fears that gang wars would start in the theaters??

Comment #5: Woodrowfan  on  01/18  at  11:29 AM

If you used the lyrics in your average gun-glorifying rap song in a country song, it would be a number one hit and Debbie Schlussel would masturbate to it.  Just sayin’.

Comment #6: Amanda Marcotte  on  01/18  at  11:34 AM

Amanda’s right, and we need to email this idea along with an appropriately obscure and violent rap song to Toby Kieth, stat.

Comment #7: Kyso K  on  01/18  at  11:44 AM

It wouldn’t work.  Even Schlussel wouldn’t be stupid enough to be fooled by the substitution.  Commercial rap music is invariably in couplets, commercial country music in quatrains.  Boring as fuck couplets, boring as fuck quatrains.

What the heck am I saying?  “Even Schlussel wouldn’t be stupid enough”.  Never mind.

Comment #8: W. Kiernan  on  01/18  at  11:53 AM

Geez, Amanda, some of us are trying to eat breakfast here.

Seems to me that the theater has a reason to be afraid, ‘cause we all know what happens when Negroids congregate in large numbers at businesses.  Why, when Obama and Fenty went to get that half smoke at Ben’s Chili Bowl, the first words out of his mouth were, “I need some iced tea, motherfucker!”

Comment #9: Stephen Suh  on  01/18  at  11:57 AM

In fact, this seems to me like it would be a product project for country musicians.  Not ironic covers of big hits, but sincere covers of minor rap songs, especially those that make a fuss over weaponry.  I’ve yet to meet a redneck who doesn’t get a hard-on when you simply use the names of guns, military equipment, hunting slang, or military slang.

Pop quiz: What do the song lyrics of “Sin Wagon” by the Dixie Chicks will be more shocking to the audience: references to guns, or references to sexual intercourse?  If you said “sexual intercourse”, you know your patriarchy!

Praise the Lord and pass the ammunition
Need a little BIT more of my TWELVE ounce nutrition
One more helpin’ of what I’ve been havin’
I’m takin’ my turn on the sin wagon

On a mission to make something happen
Feel like Delilah lookin’ for Samson
Do a little mattress dancin’
That’s right I said mattress dancin’

Not, “that’s right I said ammunition”, but “that’s right, I said mattress dancing”.  I’m not blaming the Dixie Chicks.  Good on them for writing a song that suggests that women have urges to get a little something, just like men, and that women are punished more for it.  (Known as the truth.)  But tells you a lot about the country audience that they have to pointedly refuse to apologize for the sex and not the guns.

Comment #10: Amanda Marcotte  on  01/18  at  11:58 AM

What the heck am I saying?  “Even Schlussel wouldn’t be stupid enough”.  Never mind.

I was about to say…...

Comment #11: Woodrowfan  on  01/18  at  11:59 AM

By the way, I recently heard what might be on of my favorite remixes I’ve heard in a long time—-Ratatat remixing “Party and Bullshit” by Biggie.  Enjoy!

Comment #12: Amanda Marcotte  on  01/18  at  12:06 PM

If you used the lyrics in your average gun-glorifying rap song in a country song, it would be a number one hit and Debbie Schlussel would masturbate to it. 

Always about the masturbation….

Comment #13: papertiger  on  01/18  at  12:43 PM

Well, I hear it’s a popular hobby, with more adherents than Xbox and Playstation and Nintendo put together.

Comment #14: Amanda Marcotte  on  01/18  at  12:59 PM

Amanda, I don’t think Schlussel would react that way so long as the lyrics contained things that she considered identifiably black, like poverty or hats that aren’t made of animals.

Comment #15: Jesse Taylor  on  01/18  at  01:02 PM

Always about the masturbation….

It’s a good thing

Comment #16: MAJeff, God of Biscuits  on  01/18  at  01:05 PM

Gangster movies have been good box office at least since The Public Enemy back during Prohibition. The racism of theater manager is totally unsurprising - I remember seeing a newsletter that was for theater managers back in the early ‘80s, and although carefully worded, it gave recommendations about certain films that attracted young or deeper-hued clientele, and had violence in them. Basically, it said “Get ‘em in and get ‘em out”, keep lines moving to reduce interaction, start the films quickly, and bring up the lights and herd the patrons out of the theater as soon as the credits started rolling, especially on late night showings.

Comment #17: papa zita  on  01/18  at  01:09 PM

If you used the lyrics in your average gun-glorifying rap song in a country song, it would be a number one hit and Debbie Schlussel would masturbate to it.

Okay, so it wasn’t a number one hit, but it has been done to humorous effect.

Comment #18: Incertus, Nacho Daddy  on  01/18  at  01:09 PM

“Always about the masturbation….”

...here we’re having a nice conversation about those scary movies with scary negroes in them and somebody has to say something to make it dirty.  Somebody always has to ruin it for everybody else…

Comment #19: MikeEss  on  01/18  at  01:12 PM

Was “Trainspotting” criticized by the media as glorifying drug use?
I posit that most any film, which touches on a hot button social issue, or attempts to appeal to those who appreciate “edgy” stories will receive strongly bimodal reviews. The film becomes a vehicle for all the usual suspects to demonize the other. “Harold and Maude” was universally loved by everyone I knew. I thought it sucked because I though Bud Cort was a complete waste of a human, but my friends at the time were all trying to BE complete wastes. So to them he was cool.
I’m almost sure that any discussion of film today can be a vehicle for ideological posturing, regardless of the subject matter.

Comment #20: Robert Bruce  on  01/18  at  01:27 PM

The Hick Hop was awesome. :D

Comment #21: Left_Wing_Fox  on  01/18  at  01:36 PM

There’s a long history of making movies about people who were in gangs, from West Side Story to American Gangster.

Yeah, I don’t see how this is different from a mob flick, either. If this were about an Italian-American gangster we’d hear nothing from Breitbart.

Comment #22: Ben D.  on  01/18  at  01:52 PM

I remember going to see Spike Lee’s “Jungle Fever” at the “White Mall”: it was me & my mom, 2 older african-american couples, and a single white guy. There’s a scene where John Turturro’s character gets in a fight with his friends by a dumpster over the fact that he’s going on a date with a black girl ( I think- i haven’t seen the film since) and the lights come up and the manager and a bunch of ushers come rushing in- like storm the Bastille rushing in- everyone turns around like: “what the hell…” The manager walked down the center aisle and back up and out- all puffed up, eyeballing everyone (I’d like to think he eyed the some people more- but, I think we all got the same glare.) As soon as the fight was over the all left. it was crazy.

On the way out I heard one of the couples talking about the “violence” at “Do The Right Thing” and it all made sense to me- still, it was the weirdest thing.

Comment #23: dooflow  on  01/18  at  02:10 PM

“Yeah, I don’t see how this is different from a mob flick, either.”

But, Ben, don’t you see it’s completely different?  Those rap stars are NEGROES!...

‘Course, what’s really funny is not only does the history of gangster films go all the way back to the beginning of film, but in almost all cases they could be considered “conservative films”.

But I guess they believe white audiences can properly see that crime doesn’t pay, and those black people get too excited to be trusted.  Or some such bullshit…

“If this were about an Italian-American gangster we’d hear nothing from Breitbart.”

...actually, remembering back to when “The Godfather” came out, there were a lot of Italian American who were upset about the portrayal of Italian Americans in that film.  Breitbart would have been one of the wingnut assholes who were telling them to shut up…

Comment #24: MikeEss  on  01/18  at  02:16 PM

Yeah, this is really socially helpful….


... and if you don’t know, now you know, nigga, uh
Uh, uh… and if you don’t know, now you know, nigga
Uh… and if you don’t know, now you know, nigga, uh

Comment #25: Carlos Escondido  on  01/18  at  03:13 PM

Speaking of rap song re-mixes

Comment #26: atheist  on  01/18  at  04:30 PM

“Yeah, this is really socially helpful….”

...and so is this: “I know, it’s only rock ‘n roll, but I like it”

Why is it some people desperately crave a monoculture in America?  How is a little diversity a threat to you?...

Comment #27: MikeEss  on  01/18  at  05:10 PM

Yes, Carlos, if we were to judge the contributions of musicians to society by the chorus to a randomly selected song, the Beatles must be one of the shittiest bands to walk the face of the Earth.

You better leave my kitten all alone,
you better leave my kitten all alone.

Comment #28: Jesse Taylor  on  01/18  at  05:42 PM

How is a little diversity a threat to you?…

How’s “Nigga, nigga, nigga” real ‘diversity’? Is it still diversity when a white person says it?

“Bitchs and Ho’s” good too??

How ‘bout music from the skinheads. Does that work for ‘diversity’?

Comment #29: papertiger  on  01/18  at  06:54 PM

Oh god, you’re a rap-basher, too?  Man, you’re worthless, aren’t you?  What next, an opus on why the kids really need to get off your lawn?

Comment #30: Amanda Marcotte  on  01/18  at  07:02 PM

I know how it feel to wake up fucked up
Pockets broke as hell, another rock to sell
People look at you like youse the user
Selling drugs to all the losers, mad buddha abuser
But they don’t know about your stress-filled day
Baby on the way mad bills to pay
That’s why you drink Tanqueray; so you can reminisce
and wish, you wasn’t livin so devilish, ssshit
I remember I was just like you
Smokin blunts with my crew, flippin over 62’s
Cause G-E-D, wasn’t B-I-G
I had to get P-A-D, that’s why my moms hate me
She was forced to kick me out, no doubt
Then I figured out licks went for twenty down South…

Do me a favor? Define “socially helpful”.

Comment #31: Nobimas  on  01/18  at  07:02 PM

While screeching that modern art isn’t art and his 5-year-old could do it.  Also, Yoko broke up the Beatles.

Comment #32: Amanda Marcotte  on  01/18  at  07:05 PM

“How ‘bout music from the skinheads. Does that work for ‘diversity’?”

...so in your little world, black hip hop = skinheads? You mean like Prussian Blue? (I think Prussian Blue is the full extent of skinhead/white hate music I can name…)

I don’t know how to tell you this but Frank Sinatra’s dead, and so’s Karen Carpenter.  And Captain & Tennille haven’t had a hit since the ‘70’s.

So I ask again: How are differing points-of-view and cultural perspectives a threat to you?...

Comment #33: MikeEss  on  01/18  at  07:15 PM

Oh god, you’re a rap-basher, too?

Just no buying into the ‘diversity ‘angle of rap.

It is what it is. Don’t white wash it because blacks do it.

Comment #34: papertiger  on  01/18  at  07:17 PM

“Just no buying into the ‘diversity ‘angle of rap.”

...okay, I’ll bite.  Just what is your idea of diversity…Country AND Western?...

Comment #35: MikeEss  on  01/18  at  07:23 PM

“If you used the lyrics in your average gun-glorifying rap song in a country song, it would be a number one hit and Debbie Schlussel would masturbate to it.  Just sayin’.”
They ARE basically the same damn genre, after all (and equally awful as music)...

Comment #36: Devonian  on  01/18  at  07:29 PM

Am I whitewashing modern art because blacks do it or because it looks like a 5-year-old could do it?  Or is it because those kids on my lawn need to write about something important?  Does it make me a cranky old person who sounds like I need a life just because I look around for happy and relaxed sounding people to bash for no good reason?  Oh wait, I’m mixing up myself and papertiger.  It’s all so confusing.

Comment #37: Amanda Marcotte  on  01/18  at  07:32 PM

Devonian, I distrust automatically anyone who bashes an entire genre.  Every rap-basher I know liked at least one Beastie Boys song, so I know where that’s coming from.

Comment #38: Amanda Marcotte  on  01/18  at  07:33 PM

Just no buying into the ‘diversity ‘angle of rap.

It is what it is. Don’t white wash it because blacks do it.

Because every rap song and singer is the same, right? Because Biggie = Tupac = The Coup = Nas = Dre = Run DMC = Salt n Pepa = Matisyahu = Ozomatli = Soulja Boy Tellem. I could go on, but I suspect my point is pretty clear by now.

Comment #39: Incertus, Nacho Daddy  on  01/18  at  07:51 PM

Great! Nigga, nigga nigga….bitches and Ho’s

Wanted you to feel some of the ‘diversity’ out there. If you want some more ‘diveristy’, lemme know. I’m sure I can dig up some of Biggie’s lyrics for ya’.

Comment #40: papertiger  on  01/18  at  08:26 PM

Aw, fuck, I missed the “irrelevant pissy old men” brigade! Where’m I going to get my daily dose of narcissistic indignation now?

Comment #41: Well, what?  on  01/18  at  08:48 PM

Let’s come up with our own!

Sitcoms were better when they had annoying laugh tracks! 

You kids with your “twisting”.  The waltz was so more romantic.  (I actually saw this article in an old Reader’s Digest from the 60s I found in an stack left in an attic of an old house I used to live in. There is little doubt, looking back on it, that they were riding the same “fear the ‘Negro music’ train that our newest troll is riding here.)

What’s with these widescreen TVs?  What was so wrong with the 4:3 ratio?  I loved pan and scan versions of movies.

And really, what’s with this horrible invention called the internet?  Why do I have to type when I’m in the mood for some racist joy-killing for no good reason?  Let me bore you with drippings from my fossilized brain in person, dammit!

Comment #42: Amanda Marcotte  on  01/18  at  09:04 PM

Right!

And while we’re at it, what’s with all this fancypants beer I’ve been seeing lately? There are two kinds of beer, Bud and Bud Light. And that’s how the good Lord intended it! Newcastle Brown Ale is everything that’s wrong with America today.

Why do I suddenly feel like Clayton Bixby?

Comment #43: Well, what?  on  01/18  at  09:18 PM

Let’s come up with our own!

Oh, NoOoooo…....

Let’s stick with the ‘hero’ posted here at Pandagon. Ya’ know, the one that shows ‘diversity’.

http://www.sing365.com/music/lyric.nsf/Dead-Wrong-lyrics-Notorious-B-I-G/9196FAB98CE70D61482572A40011755A

Smell the indonesia; beat you to a seizure
Then fuck your moms, hit the skins til amnesia
She don’t remember shit! Just the two hits!
Her hittin the floor, and me hittin the clits!
Suckin on the tits! Had the hooker beggin for the dick
And your moms ain’t ugly love; my dick got rock quick
I guess I was a combination of House of Pain and Bobby Brown
I was “Humpin Around” and “Jump-in Around”
Jacked her then I asked her who’s the man; she said, “B-I-G”
Then I bust in her E-Y-E

Now, that was a nice culturally valuable piece of work, wasn’t it?

Comment #44: papertiger  on  01/18  at  09:51 PM

I’m so excited! I didn’t know where else to post, so I put it here. I was just informed that Mathematics is racist! Because any math problem that has only one correct answer must be racist, because the answer isn’t culturally sensitive!
I always knew math was evil! The same person that explained about math to me also said that if I didn’t like rap I was also racist. I like math and don’t like rap, so now I really feel bad.

Comment #45: Marie Legendre  on  01/18  at  09:52 PM

oh, lord. FAIL. Someone stopped taking math early. Legendre (please don’t besmirch that name, btw),
math “problems” pretty soon start having all sorts of answers. Myriad and diverse answers, depending on what the fuck you’re trying to use it for. Please exploit some other field.

Comment #46: mathpants  on  01/18  at  10:02 PM

Wow, I don’t like the more violent or misogynistic lyrics of some hip-hop and rap artists, but I don’t dismiss the whole genre.

Just like country, Toby Keith =/= Dixie Chicks
Not all hip-hop and rap comes from the same place

Comment #47: elah42  on  01/18  at  10:32 PM

Seriously, hip-hop bashing?  Is this 1982?  Noone was holding Biggy up as a hero, like everyone he had flaws.  Unfortunately he had some really bad ones but at the same time created music that was very popular.  That’s not unique to hip-hop culture. 

Elvis used a monumental number of drugs, was an overeater, apparently a gun-nut as well, and starred in a large number of movies.  Now he did mitigate this with cutting edge topical songs such as Do The Clam. 

Johnny Cash was also a drug addict and arrested many times for a variety of reasons.  Unlike Elvis he beat his addiction and lived a long life.  A someone stretched movie about his life went on to win many awards.

The Gourds also did a great cover of Gin and Juice by Snoop. 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VHKTbSuuOGM

Comment #48: commissarjs  on  01/18  at  11:03 PM

Well, not to get picky, or anything, but:

You kids with your “twisting”.  The waltz was so more romantic.

Yeah, actually, the waltz WAS more romantic.  And, (surprise!) it was also condemned in the early 19th century for causing an increase in the illegitimate birth rate among respectable girls.  One man, one woman, together on the ballroom floor, for five or six minutes of close-quarter dancing ...

There was a reason “folk dancing,” “square dancing,” and even court formal dancing had a lot of “change your partner” patterns.  Keeps the blood pressure lower, if you know what I mean, and I think you do, nudge nudge wink wink.

And don’t even try to imagine how bluenoses reacted to the lascivious invention of the saxophone!

Comment #49: stickler  on  01/18  at  11:14 PM

Have any of these people heard of Insane Clown Possee or the Kottonmouth Kings?  I grew up in Ohio and noticed that the aforementioned was really popular among poor, white kids with little social mobility and few achievements.  No one talks about that or calls for a war on crystal meth for the same reason no one called the Palins white trash; it isn’t politically expedient to lecture poor white people about their moral failings in the same way it is to lecture blacks.

Comment #50: Nelson  on  01/18  at  11:29 PM

...for the same reason no one called the Palins white trash…

Where have YOU been? The whole liberal blogosphere called Palin ‘white trash’.

Comment #51: papertiger  on  01/19  at  12:15 AM

Y’know, it’s not so much pathetic that people are looking up and posting random rap lyrics that say naughty words, it’s pathetic that they think it actually proves a point.

And to those doing it, it’s sad that while you wrongly think that you can prove how evil rap is by doing this, the rest of us actually can prove how intellectually and morally bankrupt the conservative movement is by pointing to you.

Comment #52: Stephen Suh  on  01/19  at  01:45 AM

They’re too rich to be “white trash”. They’re trash, but rich trash.

Comment #53: Amanda Marcotte  on  01/19  at  01:58 AM

I believe this is appropriate.

Comment #54: banisteriopsis  on  01/19  at  03:21 AM

In other words, assholes, if you don’t know where the music came from, shut the fuck up about its intent and meaning. Your ignorance embarrasses you.

Comment #55: banisteriopsis  on  01/19  at  03:45 AM

Gee whilickers PaperTiger, those lyrics you posted surely prove that rap is all thoughtless and violent.  In fact, I found some terrifying lyrics from one of those so-called “rappers” named Immortal Technique:

The voice of racism preaching the gospel is devilish
A fake church called the prophet Muhammad a terrorist
Forgetting God is not a religion, but a spiritual bond
And Jesus is the most quoted prophet in the Qu’ran
They bombed innocent people, tryin’ to murder Saddam
When you gave him those chemical weapons to go to war with Iran
This is the information that they hold back from Peter Jennings
Cause Condoleeza Rice is just a new age Sally Hemmings
I break it down with critical language and spiritual anguish
The Judas I hang with, the guilt of betraying Christ
You murdered and stole his religion, and painted him white
Translated in psychologically tainted philosophy
Conservative political right wing ideology
Glued together sloppily, the blasphemy of a nation
Got my back to the wall, cause I’m facin’ assassination
Guantanamo Bay, federal incarceration
How could this be, the land of the free, home of the brave?
Indigenous holocaust, and the home of the slaves
Corporate America, dancin’ offbeat to the rhythm
You really think this country never sponsored terrorism?
Human rights violations, we continue the saga
El Savador and the contras in Nicaragua
And on top of that, you still wanna take me to prison
Just cause I won’t trade humanity for patriotism

This is the sort of shit that PissingTiger truly fears.  Thugs rapping about guns and hos it can handle, because that lets it dismiss those rappers, and by extension, rap and those who enjoy it (likely black people in his idiot mind, even though most hip-hop fans are white).  Intelligent, political hip-hop?  It’s always been a huge part of rap, but fuckwits like PT would never notice because they’re too busy whining about a genre of rap whose heyday has long passed.

Not that the clubby, misogynistic crap that replaced gangsta rap in the late 90s was an improvement, but that’s why there’s an underground.

Comment #56: Jrod  on  01/19  at  06:55 AM

It was Joe Klein who predicted that Do the Right Thing would cause “those people” to riot, IINM (There was a point in the conversation above where that was relevant, but the thread seems to have taken another direction . . . ).  So far as I know, the only movie that’s been documented to have caused riots in the U.S. was Birth of a Nation, which inspired some white mobs to go out and clobber African-Americans.  Project much, Joe?

Don’t know if the movie under discussion is good or not (and will probably end up relying on someone else’s opinion, as hip-hop—even when I recognize its performers’ talent—rarely moves me), but I wish the filmmakers hadn’t taken the title of a fine movie of the distant past.  Maybe they should have called it Big instead.

Comment #57: Josh  on  01/19  at  01:56 PM

...one of those so-called “rappers”...

Errr….the issue was the movie about BIGGIE SMALLS. I quoted BIGGIE SMALLS.

Here’s some more of BIGGIE for your liberal pleasure:

Niggaz sayin, “Biggie off the street, it’s a miracle”
Left the drugs alone, took the thugs along with me
Just for niggaz actin shifty
Sticks and stones break bones, but the gat’ll kill you quicker
Especially when I’m drunk off the liquor
Smokin funk by the boxes, packin glocks is
natural to eat you niggaz like chocolates


http://www.gnextinc.com/bbo/lyrics/notorious_big/machine_gun_funk.html

Comment #58: Papertiger  on  01/19  at  03:15 PM

packin glocks is natural to eat you niggaz like chocolates

hahah he made a fat joke about himself at the end. That’s funny shit.

Comment #59: banisteriopsis  on  01/19  at  03:50 PM

Hey man…..I can make a joke about Niggers, too. Would you still that funny if I did?

Comment #60: DogBreath  on  01/19  at  06:42 PM

Waaaah, itsnotfair that those people can say it but not me, baaaaaawwwwww.

Comment #61: Jrod  on  01/19  at  07:46 PM

The verses I quoted were also written by Biggie Smalls. He wrote lyrics that were vile. He wrote lyrics that were enlightening. He was an entertainer and a very young man, shaped by the life he led in world not of his making. That is not a defense of his misogyny; misogyny is indefensible. But what exactly is the point in referencing his more controversial lyrics while dismissing the pain, honesty and self-reflection that permeated so much of his work?  He was an entertainer and quite a bit of his music gave public voice to the rage and frustration experienced by an entire group of disenfranchised young men while simultaneously expanding the scope of a multi-faceted genre of American music. You aren’t obligated to like his music. Hip Hop is not obligated to be palatable to you.

So other than knee-jerk whining,  what exactly is your problem? The Notorious B.I.G. was a young and popular entertainer who died a violent death. Of course a movie is going to be made about his life. Why do you care?

Comment #62: Nobimas  on  01/19  at  09:14 PM

Have you seen their latest screed? Dirk Benedict complaining about the feminization of America through the new BSG (the one that he’s not in, but Richard Hatch *is*, ahem). The comments are hilarious, in an icky way.

Comment #63: AJ  on  01/20  at  02:26 AM

I think there’s something to be said about the spastic, irrational fear of violence people like paper tiger see in hip-hop. Like, I read the B.I.G. lyrics above, and thought “haha he make a self-depreciating joke after saying how he’s all hard and shit.” But some people hear something like that, and klaxons sound in their minds about the negro menace coming to shoot up their town and fuck all their women. WHITE people are the majority consumers of gangsta rap. OK,

A) 50+ comments and nobody brought up 2pac. just… wtf.
B) If Billy Johnston is the target demographic for gangsta rap, why are you worried about black people, when white people are the consumers of the music you fear? (ha hah, ‘cause you’re a racist.)
C) Hip-hop is not what you hear on the radio. Go listen to the last prophets, the watts prophets, and motherfucking Charles Mingus. The last prophets especially were not on message about things like birth control.
D) Understand gangsta rap is an itty bitty part of a huge history. Any genre that can accommodate immortal technique, the thong song, and matisyahu at the same time is clearly not going anywhere. Rap is at it’s heart about the DJ. And DJs are fucking geeks. See when you listen to radio hip-hop, you have to remember, the originators, grandmaster flash, afrika bambata, etc. were fucking GEEKS. They had to be, because nobody else is preoccupied with listening to their parents’ vinyl collection and looking up obscure b sides. Who else would drop $1k on a pair of technics 1200’s and a mixer other than a fan? You can’t listen to cut chemist doing Superbowl Sunday with jurassic 5 and think it exists in a vacuum. Hip Hop is history retold. Hip Hop is recontextualization. Unless you fucking understand that, then yes, all you’re going to hear is some angry negros who want to fuck all your white women. And God bless ‘em while they’re at it.

Comment #64: banisteriopsis  on  01/20  at  08:09 AM

But some people hear something like that, and klaxons sound in their minds about the negro menace coming to shoot up their town and fuck all their women.

Indeed. Freaking out because someone *talks* about unpleasant or violent stuff is just ridiculous (and I say this as someone who isn’t really into rap). I’m not personally scared of a black guy that swears and overtly discusses violent stuff in his songs, I’m scared of the middle-aged white guy who is kinda-quiet-but-very-polite-and-just-such-a-good-neighbor until they find 12 gnawed-on women’s skulls in his backyard or something. The really creepster people don’t talk about upsetting stuff in an artistic context, they just quietly hurt people in unspeakable ways.

Comment #65: Bagelsan  on  01/20  at  07:45 PM
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