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Boise, ID GOP chair/teabagger pulls .357 magnum on homeowner behind on mortgage

Thankfully Wells Fargo, the employer of leading Idaho tea-bagger Charles McAffee, doesn’t train its representatives to document loan-delinquent homeowners in this manner. Via Raw Story:

The Republican Party chairman of Boise County in Idaho was arrested Thursday for aggravated assault after he pulled a gun on a man whose house he was photographing.

Charles McAffee, 33, was among Idaho’s anti-tax tea-party activists, and is a member of the Idaho Republican Party Central Committee. He was arrested after pulling a handgun on a homeowner whose mortgage his employer sought to photograph for being delinquent

Do you see a trend here? Gun-brandishing teabaggers, right-wing preachers calling for the execution of gays and the President...in all of the years the left was out in the political cold, did we see any of this completely unhinged behavior? At some point the GOP and religious right leaders need to condemn these extremists and eliminationists or we can safely assume that they agree wholeheartedly with a class of people who encourage - or partake - in violence as a protest or act of intimidation. The AP:

  According to police in the Boise suburb of Meridian, resident Robert Lutes called officers just before 5:30 p.m. Tuesday to report McAffee had pointed a .357 Magnum handgun at him during a verbal confrontation. McAffee acknowledged he pointed the gun at Lutes, according to the police account.

  “I’m unarmed, I’m an old man,” Lutes, 51, told The Associated Press on Thursday. “I’m trying to find out why he’s taking pictures of my house. I said, ‘Knock on my door, let me know what you want.’ Then, I think he’s reaching for his business card and he pulls out a concealed weapon and I think he’s going to blow my head off.”

 

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Posted by Pam Spaulding on 11:08 PM • (25) Comments

Shout out to Charles McDumbass: That’s not sane. YOU are not sane. Get professional help before you hurt someone, you violent freak.

Comment #1: Nil  on  08/21  at  11:22 PM

in all of the years the left was out in the political cold, did we see any of this completely unhinged behavior?

Well, there were Democrats on TV disagreeing with the President ... and there were jokes when he choked on a pretzel ... and my next-door neighbor’s husband, he said “Bush deserves to be executed.” So that’s exactly the same thing, right?

(Also, a person who’s 51 is not “old.”)

Comment #2: Hershele Ostropoler  on  08/21  at  11:29 PM

I’m more interested in knowing why this man of the people, this spiritual heir of the Boston Tea Party, works for a company that throws people out of their homes. Apparently being a patriot doesn’t necessarily make you a good neighbor.

Comment #3: Bitter Scribe  on  08/22  at  12:07 AM

There’s also kinda a question of why anyone would want pictures of a house where the homeowner is late on the mortgage. What is the bank going to do, claim that someone didn’t maintain the property and lowered the foreclosure value?

I’m betting on something even skeevier coming out on this one.

Comment #4: paul  on  08/22  at  12:26 AM

Hershele Ostropoler,  that’s what I told my noble spouse after she referred to Keith Olbermann as “That old man” and pointed out that he’s a few days older than me(although I have less grey in my hair than he does, due to my Chinese ancestry).

There’s also kinda a question of why anyone would want pictures of a house where the homeowner is late on the mortgage.

Inadequate documentation, especially if the mortgage was held by Wachovia, which as Atrios put it, was eated by Wells Fargo last year or another company they acquired over the last few years.

Comment #5: Dark Avenger Guardian Chow Mein  on  08/22  at  12:56 AM

If they want to foreclose on the home, and they don’t have the original loan documents, they will have to prove that the home exists, first off.

A lot of people have been able to stall foreclosures b/c the NINJA loans were made by companies that immediately flipped the loans to a larger bank.  The larger bank that now wants to foreclose often doesn’t have all the paperwork, so even if you have been making payments to them, if they want to take your home, they have to go to court.  Courts need evidence.

Same deal on a smaller scale with credit cards.  If you default on a credit card, they will sell it to bottom feeder collection agencies.  The collection agencies try to collect for a while, then sell it on to another agency. 

If they cannot provide your signature on a contract, and they cannot document EVERY charge (not just some random figure that they bought off a list with interest fees they added) then they don’t have a case.  Most people don’t know that, so they try to pay or settle with the bottom feeder, who then, often as not, sells that “debt” to someone else.

Wells Fargo wants to foreclose.  Whackadoodle was hired to verify the house address and the property exists.  He’s now given the mortgagor a cause that might let him keep his house.

Comment #6: Caren-Sun-blocking Creator of Animorphic Pancakes  on  08/22  at  01:12 AM

“Wells Fargo wants to foreclose.  Whackadoodle was hired to verify the house address and the property exists.  He’s now given the mortgagor a cause that might let him keep his house.”

I think the purpose of the gun was to get people to call him Mr. Whackadoodle.  Fear is as good as respect to some people…

Comment #7: MikeEss  on  08/22  at  01:19 AM

I think the purpose of the gun was to get people to call him Mr. Whackadoodle

It’s now Mr. Whacladoodle I Need a New Job Thank You Very Much, now…I doubt Wells Fargo wants any part of a hothead who pulls a gun in a dispute…

(The wingnut part of the Republican party, on the other hand….they may make him state chair…)

Comment #8: gwangung  on  08/22  at  02:00 AM

Well, this was a lot worse than what I thought at first.

I read the article earlier this evening, but didn’t quite realize that Mr. Whackadoodle was the bank guy. I somehow got the impression that it was the (much easier to understand) situation where a homeowner has someone on his property, finds out the bank wants to take his house, panic and shouting lead him to grab a gun. From his house.

No: the bank guy had the gun.

He might as well have been walking into central park at night in the 70s strapped. He knew this would happen, and he WANTED IT TO.

Fucking scary. REALLY fucking scary.

Comment #9: humanadverb  on  08/22  at  02:35 AM

ga: Also, he’s carrying a frakking .357.  People who are carrying 9mms might not be crazy.  But there’s no reason to carry a .357.  Unless your day job is hunting semi trucks or something.

Comment #10: NBarnes  on  08/22  at  05:33 AM

i am… confused

i read both of the linked articles, and they were essentially the same (this seems to be an inversion of the usual, that most newspapers are just using what the APs already got, but iy reads to me as if AP had cribbed it’s story from RAW. that could just be the meds talking.

that aside - read the articles. and, as i said, am still overwhelming fucking confused. the timeline appears to be something like this:
Lutes notices a guy, in a car, taking pictures of his house. and until i read this post, i too would have immediately jumped one way or another - the guy’s “casing the joint” or something else “nefarious”; on the other hand, maybe the guy works for a realitor whose looking at houses where owners are in dire straights and is getting photos, because said realitor is a nifty person. or maybe he’s a PI, trying to find out if Lutes knows where “some dame” has gones.
either way, Lutes notices a guy taking pictures of his house. and most of the reasons *I* threw out would, at best, annoy me - so i assume Lutes is annoyed.

he goes to guy in car, and asks guy in car “why the fuck are you stalking me and taking pictures”
and McCaffee (guy in car) responds along the lines of “you are behind on your rent and the bank need pictures of your property”
and Lutes says “Prove IT”
and McAffee says “fuck off”
and Lutes says “damnit, i know my rights, you aren’t allowed to do this without my permission unless you really are working for WF legally, and have this task assigned to you legally. so i would like some proof of that please.
and McCAffee was all “bite me, there is neither truth nor proof that is more profound than what i actually say
Lutes (frustrated) show me ID and proof of your right to me here”, slapping the glass iomphasis.
and McCaffee was all “you touched the winddow - now it might have streaks. oh, and *HERE’S*I my proof that i am supposed to be here *points giant gum*
(for just a moment, let us drift into that pretty world, where things happen with maximum awesome: so i am seeing Lutes watching the gun, stepping off to the side a bit, grabbing gun hand to poiunt gun up, and wrapping arm up around and over door to make McCaffee drop the gne (all without Lutes handling it at all). then draggin the gun a bit away and standing on it, all while he was callig 911 about a freak drawing a .357 and threatening Lutes with it it’s a nice little dreamworld

in reality, i am guessing that McCaffee did not have a permit for the gun (or at least not one that lest you “store” your gun on a floorboard. i admit i don’t know gun laws for states i have not lived in.
but, i all the states i have lived in and gotte some trining in, here is was i was told. there are TWO THINGS, and ONLY these TWO THINGS that you can do with your gun. you can A wearing upon your person, or you may lock it up in a safe (every State except a Calofirnial) to my knowledge, carry round a gun, in the floorboard of a car, is in and of itself illegal.
then it is a question of did McCaffee have a permit, and what kind? if it was a concleled liscence, what does the *wording* say? (pretty sure it’a boiler plate, and DOES include a “keep upon your person type clause)

Comment #11: denelian  on  08/22  at  07:59 AM

Miss Pam I believe that the GOP wants this type of behavior. When have you heard them condemning it?

Comment #12: pitbullgirl65  on  08/22  at  08:53 AM

Perhaps he’s trying to instigate a ‘death panel’ for people behind on their mortgage repayments? What’s good for the goose etc kind of deal.

Comment #13: Dukkha  on  08/22  at  09:36 AM

The problem is that the people are simply not giving the corporations enough respect.  Now, poor Wells Fargo has to avoid a law suit, but Mr. Whackadoodle was just trying to fix the country.  Lutes was not giving all his money to Wells Fargo, and that’s just disrespectful.  The gun was just the most efficient way to try to shock and awe Lutes into the proper feelings of fear and induce appropriate grovelling.

When are the corporate entities in this country going to get the respect they deserve?

And on 9/12, weren’t we all carrying guns for safety?  9/12, BABY.  McCaffee’s a member, and Glenn Beck wouldn’t steer people wrong.

Comment #14: Caren-Sun-blocking Creator of Animorphic Pancakes  on  08/22  at  09:41 AM

NBarnes:

There is some debate within the gun community as to whether or not the 9mm has adequate power.  That’s why some police forces and federal agencies use 10mm or 40 and 45 calibre rounds: the 9mm is considered inadequate as a “man stopper”. 

If the purpose of a weapon is self defence and if the objective is `one hit, one stop effectiveness’, (and in gunfights one never knows whether one will hit the target twice) then a round that delivers a higher amount of kinetic energy onto and into the target (read human) and thus is deemed better.  Hence the magnum round: the 357 magnum round is basically just a 38 with that extra kinetic power.

Comment #15: seeker6079  on  08/22  at  10:42 AM

I should clarify that I don’t give a flying squirrel either way.  I’m just relaying some debates that I’ve read / listened to as a means of answering your question.

D

Comment #16: seeker6079  on  08/22  at  10:58 AM

(Says to self: I will not hit “enter” when I don’t mean to.)

Damned if I know who’s right.  Magis shoots, perhaps he knows.

Comment #17: seeker6079  on  08/22  at  10:59 AM

You leftwing ass clowns kill me,  “TEABAGGER” what are we in elementary school.  Why not call him a boogerhead, or my dad can beat up your dad.  This kind of locker room humor shows exactly why America doesn’t take you seriously!! Keep up the good work, you you poopoo head.

Comment #18: cookie  on  08/22  at  11:53 AM

Being an authoritarian ass who promotes police violence is why America doesn’t take you seriously, cookie.

They call themselves teabaggers. We couldn’t make this up.

Comment #19: asdf  on  08/22  at  12:35 PM

What asdf said is true, cookie.  They named themselves “Teabaggers”.  I personally would have named them “Clueless Racist Assholes” but no one asked me.

Comment #20: BadKitty  on  08/22  at  12:55 PM

Paul, #4: 

I work for a company that handles foreclosures.  I have been asked to take pictures of a house.  My instructions were: “Knock on the door and tell them you have to take some pictures.  ASK THEM if you can go into the back yard and take pictures.  If they say no, don’t insist.  Take the pictures from across the street.” 

I don’t remember for sure why they wanted pictures, but I think it may have been to see if there had been additions to the house that were not recorded.

Comment #21: Older  on  08/22  at  01:37 PM

cookie:

You don’t remember Anderson Cooper giggling about it on CNN, do you? Seriously, it was the idiots that came up with the name, just like the neocons called themselves that before anyone else had ever even heard of them.

Comment #22: BrianX  on  08/22  at  02:59 PM

Cookie is a doodoohead. Also, my mom can beat up his dad.

Comment #23: atheist  on  08/23  at  09:53 AM

If the purpose of a weapon is self defence and if the objective is `one hit, one stop effectiveness’, (and in gunfights one never knows whether one will hit the target twice) then a round that delivers a higher amount of kinetic energy onto and into the target (read human) and thus is deemed better.  Hence the magnum round: the 357 magnum round is basically just a 38 with that extra kinetic power.

Yes, but several people I knew with experience in this including some police officers have mentioned that one problem with a .357 was that kinetic power along with the bullet design was such that there was a serious danger of overpenetration which while effective in stopping the target, can also endanger others as that bullet still retains enough energy to kill/injure others and damage property, especially in densely populated urban areas.  This was one reason why they were not standard issue with the NYPD…

Comment #24: exholt  on  08/23  at  03:37 PM

has anyone, at any point, ever come up with *WHY* he pulled his handcannon?

Comment #25: denelian  on  08/24  at  05:25 AM
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