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Breaking the silence on silence

I just want to write a quick post about the issue of “silence” arguments—-i.e., the “why aren’t group A writing more about topic B?” posts.  It’s similar to the “you can’t prove a negative” fallacy.  All too often, when we get angry with someone for not blogging a specific news item, it’s not that they don’t care, but something more mundane.  They were napping when it came out and missed it in their news reader.  They don’t feel they have anything useful to add to the discussion, and think someone else blogged about it more eloquently.  They cover similar topics so often that they occasionally skip a news item on the topic lest they come across as shrill, one-note bloggers.  There’s only so many hours in a day, and even the most devoted bloggers spend some of those napping, earning money, or keeping their marriages together.  And of course, at least 50% of the time someone is accused of ignoring an issue or story, they actually blogged it and the complainer is ignoring that or conveniently missed that to make a point. 

For me, the number one determinant on whether or not I blog a news item is whether or not I have anything entertaining or useful to say on the topic.  If you really feel strongly that I have an obligation to blog about X, Y, or Z, and I don’t, please consider that I might not be all-powerful and have witty, intelligent things to say on everything. 

I say this because I read Kathy G’s post about the feminist silence about attacks on Michelle Obama with guilt, because I don’t think I’ve blogged any furious, “Shut up you monsters!” posts about the attacks on Michelle Obama.  But the damning “silence” language makes it sound, in my case at least, a lot more nefarious than it really is.*  It’s not that I don’t care.  I miss a lot of dust-ups (like this one), and honestly I don’t think I would have anything useful to say about it even if I hadn’t.


But even when I see some stuff that angers me, I don’t automatically blog it.  I’ve seen some insane shit aimed at Michelle Obama (like when Christopher Hitchens, I think it was, blamed Michelle for the Jeremiah Wright nonsense), and usually I just IM it to friends who are fellow Obama supporters.  And that’s not because I don’t care, but because I’ve put myself on a diet of primary coverage.  It’s very easy to slip into stupid-season thinking, trawling around for anything that gives you outrage and reaffirms your belief that your favorite candidate is a stalwart saint in the face of powerful, deceitful opponent.  I’ve seen some people really give up their dignity running with stories that turned out to be empty shells, or getting all offended at something that won’t bother them in a couple of months, but because of their hard blogging work, will make the jobs of Republican oppo researchers much easier.  So I try to skip over primary coverage until a nominee is selected, in hopes that I minimize the damage done to the eventual nominee.  I’ve slipped up a couple of times and let the off-blog silly season conversations between me and my fellows show up in the posts here, but on the whole, I’m trying to follow the rule that discretion is the better part of valor. 

Items that could produce juicy blog posts condemning sexist attacks on Michelle Obama have gone into the “not worth the hassle” bin, mostly because I’m afraid that rabid Clinton supporters will accuse me only of caring about sexism for partisan ends.  Far from being silenced because I don’t care, I’m silenced because I’m afraid I’ll care too much and come across as more concerned about sexism aimed at Michelle Obama than at Hillary Clinton, creating unnecessary fussing.  The attacks on Michelle Obama are pretty much the attacks aimed at Hillary Clinton given a fresh coat of paint to feminize Barack Obama even more than they did to Bill Clinton, and so if you address attacks on Michelle Obama, you’re opening yourself up to a wearying thread on why you don’t post on every similar attack on Clinton, even though she’s the candidate.  Does that make a weak, sniveling coward?  Maybe.  But right now, I’m just not interested in giving people an opportunity to play the Oppression Olympics.  Every time I see an item I could blog like that, I say, “Just hold out a little longer and the candidate will be selected and you can blog in their support unafraid of devolving the conversation into score-keeping over whether or not a liberal feminist blogger is wearing her suddenly-mandatory ‘unbiased’ hat.”

As for Clinton supporters Kathy documents who’ve gone so far into the Hillary camp that they think it’s right and good to echo sexist and racist attacks on Michelle Obama for being opinionated, intelligent, and independent-minded, for shame.  Where she is now, Hillary Clinton was 16 years ago, and you should keep that in mind.  Her bravery in the face of the threats against her husband’s safety that have led to him getting Secret Service detail early on is admirable, and that she handles what must be incredible stress with so much charm and a good sense of humor makes me like her all the more.  Just like with Bill Clinton, the candidate’s wife really makes me like him all the more, because his good taste makes me think he’s probably brilliant under the slick, unthreatening, “I’m no elitist!” skin that Democrats have to wear nowadays.

*Kathy isn’t singling me out, but since I do fall under the general group “feminists”, especially those with a platform to speak my mind whenever I want however I want, I feel like I’m in the category of “people who should be saying more but aren’t” established here.

 

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Posted by Amanda Marcotte on 05:18 PM • (38) Comments

Thanks for this post, Amanda. I can’t tell you how many emails I receive from readers who say “when are you going to blog about X” or “why haven’t you weighed in on Y?” As much as I find the thought of anyone out there caring so deeply about the brain dumps I do on all sort of topics, I’m kind of puzzled about it all. Particularly when people make strange judgments about the silence—“are you afraid of what X said” or “you’re playing it safe, aren’t you?”—it’s a real window on some creative minds out there.

Most of the time my silence is about TIME, and less about avoiding a topic or not thinking I have something to say. It’s not as if I haven’t communicated early and often about the fact that I’m a part-time blogger—the full time day job that keeps the roof over my head also prevents me from doing what I love more of the time, that’s the reality.

If I’ve written and queued up posts by 6AM, it’s unlikely I’ll have time to write anything of consequence during the day, and if I’m writing late at night, many times people have already blogged thoughts similar to what I would say about an event that occurred earlier in the day.

Other times there are practical reasons—I’m sick in bed, the dogs are at the vet, I’m getting the car fixed—you know, real life that’s not tied to the keyboard, even if I’m a digital diva. smile

Then there are the silences for a very good legal reason. You won’t find any blogging with my name on it about the Duke LaCrosse case. That’s because I work for the university and the bottom line is that one can be fired for blogging about one’s employer. It’s just easier for me to draw a line there and let it be, since there were plenty of voices out there on all sides of the issue. It doesn’t mean I don’t have an opinion, but there’s plenty of other topics to blog about.

So, I only ask that readers consider the human behind the computer screen before dropping that indignant missive into my inbox or blogging that “my silence” as an indication of anything nefarious, cowardly or anything else creative. I’ll usually have a much more mundane reason for missing out on some subject or another. Hey, if anyone wants to pay me to blog FT, make an offer—I won’t hold my breath… smile

Comment #1: Pam Spaulding  on  05/31  at  06:35 PM

After seeing some of the stuff that has blown up over at (just for example) Feministe (without getting specific, let’s just say within the last 4-8 weeks or so),  I don’t blame anyone for being leery of certain topics.

And, of course, I seen similar here, and similar at Punkass Blog.  I usually don’t read the comments at too many other blogs, but I’m sure any high-traffic blog has had their moments.

There seem to be certain topics that will cause problems no matter what.  Sometimes that makes them interesting.  Often it just makes everybody pissed.

It must be very difficult to tread that fine line, picking topics and writing posts - being controversial enough to be interesting, but not becoming a pariah. 

Amanda and Pam, you have my sympathies…

Comment #2: MikeEss  on  05/31  at  07:38 PM

Seems this particular issue could be handled well by comparing the attacks against Michelle to those against Hillary, and simultaneously condemning both. Of course, that has nothing to do with the other factors listed; lack of time, lack of inspiration, etc.

Off topic minor complaint: the TITLE tags on the new site don’t include the name of the blog post. So bookmarks all just say “pandagon.net” by default, instead of “pandagon.net - Breaking the silence on silence” for example. It’ll be confusing in bookmarks folders, and if I understand things, I think it negatively impacts Google Pagerank as well.

Comment #3: Grammar RWA  on  05/31  at  07:39 PM

“Seems this particular issue could be handled well by comparing the attacks against Michelle to those against Hillary, and simultaneously condemning both.”

...which sounds fine. 

Until you realize the odds are high that a shouting match will probably break out among commenters, each swearing that their favorite is being treated unfairly while the other one is getting off too easy, etc., or some bloggy equivalent.

See this thread at Feministe as an example…

Some topics are just bad juju…

Comment #4: MikeEss  on  05/31  at  08:05 PM

I have to say that illusions that we can control the genie once let out of the bottle are better not indulged.

Comment #5: Amanda Marcotte  on  05/31  at  08:11 PM

Hasn’t Pam blogged a teensy bit about the fallout from the “For the first time in my adult life…” comment?  I remember at least one recent post featuring this terrible commercial from the Tennessee Republican Whosywhatsits. 

And can’t we at least wait to unpack Michelle Obama until Obama is officially declared the candidate?  I mean, I also notice that nobody here at Pandagon has talked much about Bill Clinton As “First Lady”.  Which is similarly ripe for feminist comment, except, c’mon, it’s still the primaries, guys.  Let’s all take a nice deep breath and at least wait till the convention to start harping on the goddamn family members of the candidates…

Comment #6: The Opoponax  on  05/31  at  08:23 PM

I agree with what most of the other commenters have said, so I don’t have much to add to topic..

Though I would like to note that when clicking “Read All..” I am taken back to the homepage instead of to the rest of the post. Clicking on “comments” does the trick, though it’s unfortunate that doing so does not bring you directly to the comments themselves. (Obviously this isn’t a totally pressing issue, just a bit of feedback.)

Comment #7: Khar  on  05/31  at  08:37 PM

Where she is now, Hillary Clinton was 16 years ago, and you should keep that in mind.

Covering up for Barack’s affairs? Really? Huh- missed that one…

Sorry, couldn’t resist teh cheep shot.

Agreed, MikeEss; some old familiar places have become straight-up battlegrounds. Chickenshit that I am, I fled… at least until a sense of humor is restored.

Comment #8: louise  on  05/31  at  08:58 PM

It isn’t often that I’ll agree with you, but I will on a lot of this one: you are under no obligation to address every story, and not having addressed a particular story implies nothing.

Comment #9: Dana  on  05/31  at  09:50 PM

I’m totally with you on this. Before I gave up blogging about the various antics of the Clinton, Obama, and their campaigns, every time I blogged about one of them, I received a flood of comments about why I was ignoring how nefarious the other was.

By the time you finish blogging about all the shit people tell you your “supposed to”, you won’t have time to blog about anything you find interesting. And that sort of defeats the whole fucking purpose of blogging!

Comment #10: PhysioProf  on  05/31  at  10:34 PM

“For me, the number one determinant on whether or not I blog a news item is whether or not I have anything entertaining or useful to say on the topic.”

Me too.  Except in my case it’s more that I feel like I have something to say and I’m just hoping like mad that it comes over as entertaining or useful!

Seriously, ppl that get worked up about a blogger not covering every single topic out there that appears to be related to that blogger’s general interests…talk about ppl that should have something better to do themselves.

Comment #11: Lisa KS  on  05/31  at  10:40 PM

Why doesn’t anyone blog about William Shatner?

Comment #12: Foucault  on  06/01  at  12:27 AM

I’m not a regular commenter—this post inspired me to talk back, for a change.

While I agree with you that bloggers generally shouldn’t feel obligated to write about everything under the sun as soon as it happens, I think that it’s not expecting too terribly much of a feminist political blogger to cover a broad range of women’s issues related to politics.  I do get the distaste for hosting the Oppression Olympics on your blog, but I don’t think it’s unreasonable of WOC bloggers to ask that white feminist bloggers write about race issues, especially when what they’re asking you to write about is well within your typical range of content.  This post comes off as unreasonably defensive, and I find it annoying that just weeks after the great would-rather-forget-it-happened Jungle debacle you’re already literally saying that WOC’s concerns aren’t “worth the hassle.”  I think that’s probably the worst, most offensive, and most saddening part of this blog post: it’s not that you’re an active racist/apologist, it’s that you’re apathetic.  Thanks to your white privilege, you can afford apathy; you can afford to say that it’s not worth the hassle.  You can afford to remain silent about issues that don’t directly affect you or your readership.

I suppose now it’s time to accuse me of wanting to play Oppression Olympics on Pandagon or to point out that I am also a white feminist blogger who doesn’t deal with WOC issues as much as with what are probably primarily white women’s issues.  But I’m also not Amanda Marcotte.  I haven’t published any books.  I’ve been blogging for only a year.  I simply don’t have the netspace that Pandagon has—and, frankly, I’m not jealous.  I can empathize with wanting everyone to just shut up about all this shit because I wouldn’t know what to do with all the feedback either.  Regardless, I think doing something—beyond writing this sort of apologist tripe—is an important step.  I mean, seriously: with the time you spent defending yourself and your privilege in this post, you could have done a quick internet search and linked to five or eight WOC bloggers’ posts about Michelle Obama.  This would drive more traffic their direction, it wouldn’t take as much time as writing your own post repeating everyone else, and you wouldn’t be silent about the issue.  So, there are alternatives to this type of response, and they don’t have to be partisan at all (take a look at Shakesville for an example of non-partisan anti-racist/anti-sexist blogging).

And Foucault, really nice work making the concerns of WOC seem petty and over-wraught.  I’m sure that’s necessary.

Comment #13: L  on  06/01  at  01:47 AM

you’re already literally saying that WOC’s concerns aren’t “worth the hassle.”

Wait, I thought she was saying that taking EVERYONE’s requests into account isn’t worth the hassle?  Whether that’s covering rape issues more, blogging about Michelle Obama, hewing to the litany of issues on the left that it’s perfectly “reasonable” to “expect” that she “could” cover, etc. etc. etc.

Either you’re one of the people who doesn’t understand the meaning of the term “literally” (don’t worry, you’re not alone, it’s one of my linguistic pet peeves), or you’re just being an ass.

There are a million causes out there.  Amanda gets to pick the ones she wants to blog about.  That’s how it works.  If it wasn’t, this would just be yet another of those trite overly-PC “Action Alert” press release clearinghouses everyone who isn’t an over-earnest undergrad can agree are BORING.

I am also a white feminist blogger who doesn’t deal with WOC issues as much as with what are probably primarily white women’s issues.  But I’m also not Amanda Marcotte.  I haven’t published any books.

And heeeeeere we go again.  I’m really honestly curious now about how much of the massive OMG WHY IS AMANDA SUCH A RACIST bullshit is actually coming from women of color.  Because just about everyone who takes up that particular mantle eventually outs themselves as white.

Comment #14: The Opoponax  on  06/01  at  01:56 AM

with the time you spent defending yourself and your privilege in this post, you could have done a quick internet search and linked to five or eight WOC bloggers’ posts about Michelle Obama

Ummmm, maybe you really are the sort of mouthbreather who doesn’t know what the word “literally” means, because if you could actually read you would notice that Amanda did, in fact, link to blog posts on the Michelle Obama issue.  If you click the link to Kathy G’s post, there are myriad links to other bloggers’ posts on the matter.  Not sure if those bloggers are WOC or not—to be honest I don’t vet blogs on the basis of the race of the author(s).  But, yes, Amanda did, in fact, point her readers to other bloggers who’ve quite handily covered the issue.

And, again, if Amanda were to concede to these sorts of demands (if you can’t bother to blog about it yourself, you must provide copious and blatant links to other bloggers I approve of), this would be seriously the least readable and most boring blog EVER.

Comment #15: The Opoponax  on  06/01  at  02:05 AM

Good to know what your rules are, Amanda.  Take it as a compliment that some whining about what you didn’t happen to blog is a lefthanded recognition of the power of your voice on your blog.

But to such whiners, remember: you have a voice too, so get busy and put up your own post.

Comment #16: greensmile  on  06/01  at  02:15 AM

Yes, feminists aren’t expected (nor should they be) to comment on absolutely every thing. However, not commenting on WOC issues is a pattern of behaviour white feminists engage in, and this pattern should and must be called out.

Instead of becoming defensive about internalized racism, what about challenging it?

Comment #17: monika  on  06/01  at  03:40 AM

Wait, I thought she was saying that taking EVERYONE’s requests into account isn’t worth the hassle?

Let’s go back to the text, shall we?:

Items that could produce juicy blog posts condemning sexist attacks on Michelle Obama have gone into the “not worth the hassle” bin

That is what Amanda said.  Is there another way to take this?  Who here has actually misunderstood the meaning and use of the word “literally”?  ‘Cause I’m pretty sure it’s not me.

There are a million causes out there.  Amanda gets to pick the ones she wants to blog about.  That’s how it works.

I’m aware of this.  I’m not forcing anyone to do anything; I’m just pointing out that it’s a little ridiculous to spend so much time defending one’s silence when one could simply not be silent. 

Good work on the ad hominems, Opoponax.  Glad to know we’re discussing in good faith here.  This is exactly why I don’t post comments here—so much blind support and rabid defense of questionable behavior.

Comment #18: L  on  06/01  at  03:46 AM

I mean, seriously: with the time you spent defending yourself and your privilege in this post, you could have done a quick internet search and linked to five or eight WOC bloggers’ posts about Michelle Obama.  This would drive more traffic their direction, it wouldn’t take as much time as writing your own post repeating everyone else, and you wouldn’t be silent about the issue.

I’ll go ahead and toss myself on the funeral pyre for this one, just for the hell of it—I haven’t blogged this specific issue or done a link farm either—does that make me an “enabler” of white privilege? Again, anyone who regularly reads my work knows that I constantly raising the topic, and often addressing it in the context of the white-dominated top-tier of the progressive blogosphere. They do need to reach out and make an effort to overcome white privilege, discomfort with the feeling of “speaking out of their depth”, and fear of backlash from any or all constituencies. I’m a broken record on this, but I keep putting the needle on the turntable.

That said, If I covered everything worthy about all aspects of who I am - black, female, lesbian, a resident of the Southern, etc. - I’d never get anything else done in the real world. For me, it’s always a difficult call—for instance, I could have blogged about Michelle Obama or host of other topics; in the past week I chose to use what few free chunks of time and influence I have to work online and offline with others to ensure more POC, women, and LGBTs made the general blogger pool list to cover what will be a landmark Democratic convention. And trust me, that effort had me taking arrows on all sides.

This isn’t a pity party, mind you; threads like this just remind me that people out there read so much into everything because that’s what human beings do. As I said, some of the emails I receive about “silence” seem to reflect the bizarre misconception I’m tethered to my laptop and should answer emails right away, or blog this or that story right now. Is it at the point that I need to Twitter my thoughts 24/7 to assure someone I’m held accountable for covering the right issues? It’s quite a strange expectation and assumption.

It’s interesting to think more broadly about this—aside from a handful of really influential bloggers, most of us don’t have direct lines to elected officials on speed-dial, or have the juice of the MSM; most bloggers are seen as annoyances to power brokers—stirring up trouble that must be tamped down. That’s not true power. That of course may change as the political ecosystem evolves, but we’re certainly not there yet; the country as a whole is continually stepping on the social landmines when it comes to race and gender and productive online discourse.

Comment #19: Pam Spaulding  on  06/01  at  07:16 AM

Actually, Foucault brings up a VERY, Earth-shatteringly important question that I absolutely DEMAND that the blogosphere investigate and report upon:

What does William Shatner think about Reverend Jeremiah Wright?

I canNOT believe that no one has covered this vital angle yet…right, MikeEss? wink

My idiocy aside (it’s my birthday and I’m hopped up on early morning caffeine)... I like Michelle Obama- ALOT. She seems a terrific lady and I hope very much that she comes to Maine at some point; I’d love to get an opportunity to hear her speak in person.

That this very intelligent, genuinely nice, caring and supportive woman was attacked in any way pisses me off. Politics, especially at the presidential level, is always nasty and I don’t see any constructive purpose whatsoever in slamming or attempting to slam the heartfelt words of a candidate’s NON-POLITICAL spouse. It’s nasty, wrong, and those who did so should be ashamed of themselves.

Comment #20: louise  on  06/01  at  10:09 AM

There’s no way to keep up with the tactic, designed to put you on the defensive. The St. Louis Post-Dispatch has a columnist who just did this in her column this week called “The bitter irony of sex-selective abortion”:

“Sadly, most American feminist leaders have remained silent in the face of this modern atrocity. Their refusal to brook any limits on abortion rights has led to one of the bitterest ironies of our post-feminist age: that the abortion license touted as the key to liberating future generations of women would become the preferred means of eradicating them.” link (sorry I’m so blog-posty illiterate): http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/news/columnists.nsf/colleencarrollcampbell/story/0ED6D7000958FCB686257457007B511B?OpenDocument

There’s always something you’re not screaming about that proves that you’re a hypocrite. The other fun part of her column is that she basically accuses Asian-Americans of practicing sex-selective abortion, but then backs away from that claim to give herself plausible deniability.

Comment #21: George  on  06/01  at  10:14 AM

I guess I am always surprised (although not terribly so) when white bloggers and writers (etc) fail to acknowledge patterns of behaviour which demonstrate white privilege/white lenses and respond with defensiveness. If we are working on smashing racism, is it not okay to say “you know, I recognise I operate through a white lens and am working on broadening this; thank you for the feedback” or “it is correct that there are racist patterns of blogging and I am working on shifting on this and appreciate that people are taking the time to bring this to my attention.”

I am less bothered by the fact that these patterns of behaviour exist than I am by the defensiveness that come with it. 

Like many of you, I am working hard to work on internalized racism, but defensiveness only strengthens the walls between white feminists and WOC feminists.

Comment #22: monika  on  06/01  at  10:40 AM

“I canNOT believe that no one has covered this vital angle yet…right, MikeEss?”

Damn straight!  William Shatner needs to, nay MUST, address this pivotal issue!...

Comment #23: MikeEss  on  06/01  at  11:13 AM

Holy cats! I was totally kidding about William Shatner! smile

He’s my childhood hero, and he’s aged quite well, but I didn’t really expect him to speak to the issue of Obama’s pastor or the plight of women of color who blog. My bad…

On a more cheerful note, I tried to read that article by Emily Gould (whom I’d never heard of before till Amanda spoofed on her bed pose), and almost threw up. Then I watched her interview with Jimmy Kimmel and was saddened that people seem to think you can make up total lies about people and call that “journalism.”

Comment #24: Foucault  on  06/01  at  11:38 AM

Foucault, never- I repeat NEVER take me seriously, especially when I’m passing notes in class w/my buddy MikeEss or if we get to throwing spitballs… following us along these silly tangents will lead you down a bad path! Beware!

Besides, I’m in mourning regarding Bill Shatner (another huge fan of his here and not just a Tribblehead)- did you know “Boston Legal” is scheduled for one last partial season? 11 regular episodes, a 2 hour conclusion- and then no more Denny Crane and Alan Shore. DEK is leaving Fox and heading to Warner Bros, so who knows what he’ll be able to create. Thank FSM and Discoballmouse for DVDs to sustain me- I would crawl happily over broken glass to listen to Jimmy Spader, as Alan, argue over his phone bill and cell phone service…

Comment #25: louise  on  06/01  at  12:33 PM

Louise,

I did not know that about “Boston Legal.” I love that show, and I will be very sad to see it leave the air. But at least we have a 2 hour conclusion to look forward to! And I love James Spader, too. I loved him back on “The Practice,” as well.

Maybe he and William Shatner can hook up after this to create an uber-show that combines the story-lines and characters of T.J. Hooker, Star Trek, and Boston Legal? I would seriously love that!

Comment #26: Foucault  on  06/01  at  03:29 PM

Me too, re: The Practice. Hopefully DEK will come up with something for JS and WS…

Here’s a site you’ll like! Been a fave of mine for years…

http://www.boston-legal.org/

Comment #27: louise  on  06/01  at  03:34 PM

Oh thank you! That’s a terrific site. It even helps people learn about William Shatner’s TV appearances outside of the show. I recently picked up an autographed copy of his new autobiography, Up Till Now. I was sort of embarrassed to share that with the world, but I’m glad there is someone else out there that likes him as much as I do!

Comment #28: Foucault  on  06/01  at  05:34 PM

And heeeeeere we go again.  I’m really honestly curious now about how much of the massive OMG WHY IS AMANDA SUCH A RACIST bullshit is actually coming from women of color.  Because just about everyone who takes up that particular mantle eventually outs themselves as white.´


Well, I am not white and I think she shows about as much white privilege as any other white person out there. Which is disapointing given that she should at least be able to recognize it.

Honestly, is it THAT hard for Pandagon bloggers and commentors to consider they just might be indulging in some WP?

Just out of curiosity Op, since youŕe qualifying valid racist accusations by skin color and numbers, how many WOC complaints DOES it take to get the center of white privilege and racism?

So far, accusations by woc have been dismissed with crap like - Youŕe just jealous of my book. And the ever popular race card bullshit. (of course, this is never stated outright, but racism came out of the woodwork at WOC recently)

You are going to see a drop in WOC bothering to point out issues with racism on Pandagon, we have learned we have to treat Amanda and Company like any other white person with power. We are taught to not rock white peoples boats, lest they sink ours.

Recognizing that a great deal of us feel that way wouldnt kill anyone and wouldnt take up too much precious time.

Wa-do

Comment #29: pheeno  on  06/01  at  06:00 PM

L, your entire comment is predicated on the incorrect notion that Kathy G was indulging in another Amanda Marcotte pile-on.  Wrong.  In fact, couldn’t be more wrong.  In fact, her post seemed aimed more at feminist supporters of Clinton than anyone else.  I’m an Obama supporter, so if anything, I’m probably excluded from the group Kathy was thinking about.

My defense was of all bloggers who get hammered by the people who think they can run your blog better than you, and I cited my reasons because they’re the ones best known to me.  And Pam cited her reasons, which are slightly different than mine, for not covering certain stories.  We all have our reasons.  I wrote this in a spirit of generosity to everyone on the internet who gets harangued about not writing what we’re told to.

Really, the people who do it the most are right wingers demanding that feminists turn our blogs into one post after another condemning Muslim cultures.  It’s depressing to me to see progressives adopting disingenuous tactics from right wingers.

Comment #30: Amanda Marcotte  on  06/01  at  06:27 PM

Also, I want to second what Pam said about the power that bloggers have.  One of the most frustrating things about this is that what little power high traffic bloggers have, we only have because we’ve got a good idea of what we can speak about effectively vs. not effectively.  You have no idea how many news items most of us read in a day, and think are interesting but take a pass on because we don’t have anything useful to say on the topic.  If I don’t have anything useful to say on a topic, blogging it out of perceived obligation will be most successful at driving down readership and depleting what little power we do have.

Comment #31: Amanda Marcotte  on  06/01  at  06:40 PM

As I said, I take no issue with bloggers not blogging about everything, Amanda.  I wouldn’t have even thought twice about this post—I agree with so much of it—if it weren’t for the blatantly dismissive language about Michelle Obama and the many, varied attacks against her.

Comment #32: L  on  06/01  at  07:48 PM

Really, the people who do it the most are right wingers demanding that feminists turn our blogs into one post after another condemning Muslim cultures.  It’s depressing to me to see progressives adopting disingenuous tactics from right wingers.”

Oh for fucks sake. Honestly. Comparing Feminists who wonder why there hasn’t been much about sexism against a WOC to right wingers with a strawman racist distraction tactic.


Nice.

Comment #33: pheeno  on  06/01  at  09:57 PM

This is dismissive?

As for Clinton supporters Kathy documents who’ve gone so far into the Hillary camp that they think it’s right and good to echo sexist and racist attacks on Michelle Obama for being opinionated, intelligent, and independent-minded, for shame.  Where she is now, Hillary Clinton was 16 years ago, and you should keep that in mind.  Her bravery in the face of the threats against her husband’s safety that have led to him getting Secret Service detail early on is admirable, and that she handles what must be incredible stress with so much charm and a good sense of humor makes me like her all the more.  Just like with Bill Clinton, the candidate’s wife really makes me like him all the more, because his good taste makes me think he’s probably brilliant under the slick, unthreatening, “I’m no elitist!” skin that Democrats have to wear nowadays.

Sounds like you’re reading what you need to believe is in the post in order to feel morally superior.  But the evidence is not there.

I’m bowing out, for what it’s worth.  I made my case about how I avoid primary blogging because it’s just so divisive, you chose to believe that I’m lying about that and it’s really something else evil lurking in my heart, so there’s not much we can do.  We don’t agree on the facts on the ground.

Comment #34: Amanda Marcotte  on  06/02  at  10:12 AM

Items that could produce juicy blog posts condemning sexist attacks on Michelle Obama have gone into the “not worth the hassle” bin, mostly because I’m afraid that rabid Clinton supporters will accuse me only of caring about sexism for partisan ends.

THIS is dismissive.  THIS is condescending.  THIS is fucking brimming with white privilege.

Comment #35: L  on  06/02  at  12:20 PM

Sheeesh, do I EVER do that.

Why aren’t they raising hell about this?  How come nobody cares about that?

And then I’ll obsess and do all kinds of searches to see if “it” is being covered anywhere…anywhere at all, dammit!

heh

Just keep doing what you’re doing, darlin’.  The number of comments people leave you is amazing.  Whether they agree with what you say or are posting to say you are an idjit (doubtful there are many of those comments) ...at least they are reading…and thinking…and talking ‘bout what you are saying or NOT saying.

All in all… a pretty good thing.

MM

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