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CA: Prop 8 supporters ape violence of the McCain/Palin mobs at two rallies

Should we be surprised that the violence and bigotry we’ve seen in the supporters of McCain/Palin are just as prevalent in the “pro-family, save marriage” thugs in favor of passing Prop 8? Take a look at this video, shot on a camera phone by Theremina:

Something to keep in mind: when I hit the record button, I hadn’t said a single word to anyone, or interfered with the rally any way. I stood a fair distance away from the sign-wavers (remaining at least four feet away from all of them…until they approached me). But as soon as they noticed me filming them, I was greeted with curses and threats of violence. “Get that shit out of here. I’ll knock it out of your hand.” None of these folks knew me, yet they instantly knew they hated me.

Eventually, as you can see, some of the protesters surrounded me and began poking at me with their signs. Others, some of the most visibly angry and hysterical among them (apparently minors), hid their faces behind their banners while continuing to scream at passing traffic.

I asked the most aggressive woman (who was not underage) “are you afraid to be online?” She answered, “oh, no, they already videotaped me, but these kids don’t want to be online, cause they’re [unintelligible] loaded on a sexual perv profile and [unclear] look at my little cousins.” Fair enough. I’m all for protecting the innocent. (Not that there’s anything particularly innocent about screaming hate speech in public.)

“Go away, Nasty Nasty. Nasty, nasty, nasty, nasty.”

The woman continued to poke at my face with her sign and call me “nasty.” Genuinely disturbed by the complete lack of rational behavior I’d seen up to this point, wanting to look into her face and possibly connect on some level with her as a fellow human being, I pulled a corner of the sign down away from my eyes and asked “why are you calling me nasty?”

That’s when she attacked, clawing, grabbing and then shoving. I didn’t fight back; she was much bigger than me. After calling me a “nasty fucker” and threatening to kick my ass, she pried my phone out of my hand and tried to break it in half while her friends egged her on.

Please note that I never touched or threatened her in any way (unless you want to consider my pulling the edge of her sign out of eye-poking territory a threatening gesture).

You have to surf over and read the rest. Below the fold, another incident is caught on tape, this time at a Yes on 8 rally in Bakersfield.


Violence erupts, and the assailant is Ken Mettler, a Kern High School District trustee and Kern’s “Yes on Proposition 8” campaign leader. He kicked and punched a protestor yesterday (Friday). From the Bakersfield Californian:

Kern High School District Trustee Ken Mettler, in red, is shown kicking at an opponent of Proposition 8. Mettler is head of the local Yes on Proposition 8 campaign. The video was taken by an opponent of Proposition 8. The altercation was captured on video at a rally in southwest Bakersfield where two groups for and against Proposition 8 had congregated at opposite sides of the intersection of California Avenue and Stockdale Highway, according to police. Mettler, 55, said Friday night that he went to the corner where the Prop. 8 protesters were gathered to retrieve signs he thought his side had left behind. In the video, which was recorded by a Proposition 8 protester, people are shown trying to confront Mettler who is holding a defaced “Yes on 8” sign. “I was physically accosted and defended myself,” Mettler said. “I was not trying to set up a confrontation.” But Rob Badewitz, 20, says he was trying to grab a stack of signs Mettler had gathered when Mettler kicked him and punched him in the jaw. Mettler then walked across the street and said he was attacked first, according to the person who shot the video and provided a copy to The Californian.

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Posted by Pam Spaulding on 04:38 PM • (25) Comments

As a resident of Kern County (where Bakersfield is located) I am sorry to say that these people are not rare.  Most people think of California as a “blue state”, but there are definite enclaves of ultra-conservatism (I happen to live in one).  As a matter of fact, today there were people on almost every major street corner of my town holding up “yes on 8” signs, which, yeah, whatever, so you’re letting everyone in town know you’re a bigot.  The thing that really irked me was what the signs said.  “Yes on 8= freedom of speech”  and “Yes on 8= freedom of religion”.  WHAT??  Do they even really know what they’re talking about or are they just parroting what they’ve been told?  I’m leaning towards the latter of the two.  I’m not even trying to get involved in a physical confrontation with these morons, but the temptation is awful.

Comment #1: Kristen  on  10/25  at  05:05 PM

I’m starting to think there might be pitched battles in the streets come November 5, if not before. We might be in for a return to Nixonland.

Comment #2: Incertus, Nacho Daddy  on  10/25  at  05:07 PM

Wow.  Kudos to the person behind the camera—I would have gone apeshit all over that bitch at the end.  Jeez.

Comment #3: LauraB  on  10/25  at  05:08 PM

Wow.  Just…wow.  I agree with Laura, I’d have open up a can of whoop ass on that bitch.  I haven’t seen anything like that here in San Francisco.  Yet.

Comment #4: Alexa  on  10/25  at  05:22 PM

It took a lot of bravery to stand in front of those hate mongers and record what they were doing. The vote on Proposition 8 has brought out the worst in people. When they froth at the mouth it makes it clear why people should be choosing love and affirming everyone’s right to marry.  They are so far from rational that they cannot even conceive of the fact that presenting their arguments in this way only makes their position seem that much more intolerant.

Comment #5: Renee  on  10/25  at  05:25 PM

There were people on my major street corners holding up Yes on 8 signs, too (only I live in the Bay Area, which is basically the most liberal area ever). Must be a coordinated effort. I didn’t know what to do, so I just flipped them off as I drove past.

Comment #6: Lauren O  on  10/25  at  05:30 PM

“Here in San Francisco” ??  Hardly surprising.  I haven’t seen any McCain/Palin rallies here in Seattle either.

Comment #7: Eric, Rejector of Memez  on  10/25  at  05:40 PM

Kristen, the local city council has taken a prob Prop 8 stance, which is a bit dishearting, but then, I live in the Central Valley less than 2 hours north of Bakersfield.


A newpaper from the OC has taken a libertarian stance on Prop 8:

A few shibboleths deserve to be explored. Legal recognition of same-sex marriage does not require those who have a moral objection to homosexuality or homosexual marriage to recognize or approve of it. It does not require ministers who have doctrinal or moral objections to perform or bless such marriages. And it does not require schools to teach that there is “no difference” between man-woman and same-sex marriages.

In an ideal world, the state would have little or no role in defining or regulating so intimate a relationship as marriage. However, the state has inserted itself into all too many aspects of our private lives. Given that it has done so, it is only fair that it afford equal protection to all who choose to make loving lifelong commitments to one another. We recommend a “no” vote on Prop. 8.

Comment #8: The Dark Avenger and Guardian of 10 Gold Chow Mein  on  10/25  at  05:44 PM

The Blueshirts they aren’t.  Yet.

So far, we have individuals in non-organized little groups of demonstration whom individually provoke violence or use intimidation.  The crap being committed is more passive-aggressive than it is violent.  They aren’t yet wearing the Blue Shirts of Freedom.  They don’t all yet attend group meetings (even online, they’re not a ‘group’ - yet.), contribute to the group (solely or largely), or identify with one icon or image.

They identify as Conservative more than Republican still.  Their brand is in disarray and suffers from weakness in leadership.  They lack a Demagogue.  So far.

They also lack enough idle and angry hands.  Right now.

So all we have a bunches of people who wish that they could wear a Blue Shirt, but they don’t even know they need one, much less that it’s Blue.

Comment #9: idiosynchronic  on  10/25  at  06:59 PM

I think the woman who was afraid of who didn’t want her underage cousins filmed is because she believes being gay equals being a pedophile. 

Hence anyone who is not for Prop 8 is in favor of pedophilia and is taking pictures and videos of young people so they can masturbate over them or even stalk the children later.

It’s all a big sexually paranoid fever dream.

Comment #10: oldfeminist  on  10/25  at  07:03 PM

What vile, wretched people they are. That is an unbelievably disturbing piece of footage. The sounds alone are blood-chilling… it’s the sound of boiling, hysterical hatred. It’s the sound of a mob. I imagine these same people at various points in history making the same sounds at lynchings, witch-burnings and Jew-bashings.

One look at that video and without any further information, I’d know which way all decent, intelligent, tolerant people should to vote on this. Anything supported with such reprehensible behaviour and such levels of hysteria by such thugs and such hateful, intolerant idiots must be opposed.

It’s interesting in one way though - the true colours of these fundies are showing the closer and closer we get to Nov 4th. I’m hoping it’s the last scream of a dying breed, that their star is on the wane and they know it and this is what is provoking this last wave of hate and the psychological unravelling it isuggests. I just hope nobody is seriously hurt by them along the way. I wish the woman in question had reported those thugs to the police for assault.

Comment #11: H.  on  10/25  at  07:04 PM

The first one is from Oakland, isn’t it?  So not nearly as conservative as Bakersfield.

Comment #12: keshmeshi  on  10/25  at  07:07 PM

this fucker is involved with SCHOOLS? hell no, i don’t want that kind of nut case having anything to do with things that affect children. the media’s got that video, it sounds like? good. i hope the bastard loses his position at a minimum.

Comment #13: chibi  on  10/25  at  07:40 PM

Wow, that rally got a bit bigger and more violent (the Oakland one).  When I drove past, there were about 5 people, spread out on the corners and median.  I had thoughts of running home to get my No on 8 sign and stand opposite them.  Silly me, I didnt think about the potential for violence.

Then again, my first thought when I drove past was “Hey, I know those people!  They’re related to someone I used to do business with!”  Sadly, the phone video doesn’t give me a clear shot to see if the assailant was one of the people I recognized.

Lauren O suggested that the “Yes on Prop 8” activity might be the result of a “coordinated effort.”  In the past week, I have seen a few different signs of increased activity in the Tongan Christian community.  (Note: I am not Tongan myself, but the most visible signs I’ve seen of pro-Prop 8 activity have had some tie to the Tongan community.) It seems quite likely that local conservative churches would be stepping up their activities, since the vote on Prop 8 could still swing either way.

Comment #14: cici  on  10/25  at  10:34 PM

There is a coordinated “Yes on 8” effort by conservative churches. For example, they arranged to distribute their bumper stickers to congregations but warned people not to put them on their cars until a particular Sunday so there would be a sudden, coordinated show of support for Prop 8.

Bottom line is the Mormon Church and some national evangelical groups are pouring money into California because they know if they lose this one, they’re screwed.

Comment #15: mythago  on  10/25  at  10:38 PM

...because they know if they lose this one, they’re screwed.

Not unless they want to be.

Comment #16: Samantha Vimes  on  10/26  at  12:01 AM

They were all over the streets in Sacramento today tod.  Varying degrees of support.  I saw a couple of no on prop 8 supporters with the yes on prop 8 supporters.  There is a mormon church huge near there and I suspect most of the demonstrators were from there.  I just don’t see that much no on prop 8 presence around here and it does concern me.  My gut thinks it wil pass out here and that distresses me terribly.  I am not gay, but I detest legistrated bigotry and mob rule.  The demonstrators turn my stomach.  Echos of Loving vs the State of Virginia right down to the rationale for the hatred.

Comment #17: Meady  on  10/26  at  02:24 AM

Listening to that first clip, that the young woman took with her cell phone, I am struck by the tone of the “Yes on 8” protesters. It is a very shrill, throaty scream. To my ears, that’s beyond the norm, and somewhat scary.

I have marched in anti-war marches, and have chanted and even yelled stuff. But, I dunno, I don’t think I sounded like that.

Comment #18: atheist  on  10/26  at  10:51 AM

It is a very shrill, throaty scream. To my ears, that’s beyond the norm, and somewhat scary.

To me, that sounded like nothing so much as the scream of a thwarted toddler. Just makes me sad.

Comment #19: Well, what?  on  10/26  at  12:37 PM

Well, what?:

Yes, it does sound that way.

However, as the end of the video shows, these ‘toddlers’ have adult, or at least teenaged, bodies to go with their immature mentalities. That makes them dangerous as well as sad and strange.

Comment #20: atheist  on  10/26  at  01:02 PM

I don’t deny that they’re dangerous. Just that they’re somehow “beyond the norm.” They aren’t supernatural Hate Demons, they’re overgrown spoiled babies.

Fortunately they’re old enough that I fully support spanking them.

Comment #21: Well, what?  on  10/26  at  01:07 PM

I really couldn’t understand what they were saying in the first video.  I recognized the tone of hate, but the rage garbled the words together.

I don’t know what they mean to accomplish by that.

How did they know the videographer was gay?  Was the videographer gay? 

Keep lancing the boil.  I want that hate out there and open and have it repudiated.  I want people who spew this hatred to be shown that they are a minority and that their views are anti-American.  When they lose the votes, it’s proof that they are a minority.

Yeah, they’ll get off on that.  No, they won’t ever acknowledge the facts b/c it’s more fun to believe your own lies.  But it’s like when the crazy lady testified before Congress: when your reasons for opposing a policy are so clearly whackadoodle, then the rest of the nation recoils.

Vent your spleen, then crawl back to your holes in disgrace.

Comment #22: Caren-Sun-blocking Creator of Animorphic Pancakes  on  10/26  at  01:27 PM

Why is it that I conjure that women should be
less prone to this sort of mindless sh*it than their chromosomally
and (thus?) socially-stunted male compatriots?

I must be a…. Patriarch?...
Or is that backwards?

Comment #23: has_te  on  10/26  at  01:53 PM

Hello, Theremina here. I shot that Oakland footage.

To answer a question posed in this comment thread, I’m straight. I did find it sad that the kid who called me a dyke instantly assumed I was gay (I’m pretty sure a lot of them did), but I can’t say I was particularly surprised. When people get that angry and frightened, they have a tendency to make a LOT of assumptions and projections.

Ah, well. Here’s hoping that putting the footage out there will help, somehow.  Thank you for reposting.

Comment #24: Theremina  on  10/26  at  04:57 PM

Ken Mettler says on his home page that he “entered the Peace Corps as an Urban Project Evaluator and was assigned to a U.N. group conducting a survey of earthquake damaged buildings in Managua, Nicaragua” in the 1970s.

Comment #25: Sumana Harihareswara  on  10/27  at  12:48 PM
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