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Camille Paglia May Be A Horrible Person, By Which I Mean She Is

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Today’s Camille Paglia column has been roundly vilified for its idiotic take on Palin’s decision to drop out; I think it deserves vilification for an entirely different reason. 

A conservative reader writes in to Camille, presumably because he doesn’t want to be challenged or provoked in any way:

I am conservative politically, yet I see the profound weaknesses in the movement. One thing from the liberal side of thinking that I struggle with is the concept of a “hate crime.” If I am murdered, is that less heinous than a member of a protected class being murdered?

Matthew Shepard’s case is often singled out as the reason we need hate crime legislation. The question is: What more would those who propose hate crime legislation like to be done to the perpetrators? They are serving consecutive life sentences. I believe they should be executed for their crime, but it seems that most liberals oppose the death penalty. So what would be different in his case if this legislation were enacted?

The proper answer, of course, is that like any number of exacerbating factors in sentencing, a hate crime designation may not actually result in a higher sentence for someone who’s already committed an atrocious crime.  Hate crime legislation is designed to target those who commit crimes that, even though only a single person or group was harmed, demonstrate an intent to either intimidate members of a larger group or a likelihood to inflict actual harm on other members of that group.  Basically, it’s a recognition that someone is a greater threat to society, and is reflected in pretty much every form of sentencing we do.  It’s why the person who kills in the middle of a heated argument receives a relatively lighter sentence than someone who rigs a shotgun to shoot their spouse when they walk through the front door - the latter shows a far greater intent to harm the person, and a greater likelihood of harming others in the future. 

Camille Paglia’s answer is a lot like that answer, except totally different by being so much worse it’s scary.

Only a week before, Shepard had expressed fears about being killed. Given that apprehension, it is still inexplicable—if the case is examined only through a political lens—why Shepard would leave a public place in the company of such blatant thugs. A hate crimes law that claims to be able to penetrate the mind of the perpetrator should be equally open to questions about the victim. If, out of fairness or pity, one avenue of inquiry is shut down, then the other must be too.

So, in case you were wondering, we cannot use intent as an element of trying a murderer unless we also figure out the victim’s intent in getting murdered.  It’s a novel legal theory with any number of wondrous applications: if we try a thief for his intent to steal, we must also try the victim for having a wallet so full of cash; if we try a rapist for his intent to rape, we must also try the victim for her having a vagina around such obvious threats of rape. 

I see absolutely nothing wrong or destructive in following Paglia off of this cliff.  Especially not when Shepard’s murderers get the idea to try Shepard for causing something like a “gay panic”...which would never, ever happen

 

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Posted by Jesse Taylor on 09:12 PM • (29) Comments

Except, Jesse, that we do try the rape victim for daring to possess a vagina around rapists.  Bad example, maybe?

Comment #1: rowmyboat  on  07/08  at  10:40 PM

I love victim blaming; has Paglia ever questioned why so many Jews failed to leave Nazi Germany? I mean, didn’t they express fear of being killed?

Comment #2: Hector B.  on  07/08  at  10:47 PM

Any time Camille spews her, well, spew, I turn to Molly.

How Camille Paglia remains gainfully employed is a mystery.

Comment #3: SufferingBruin  on  07/08  at  10:48 PM

If Paglia’s taking requests now, someone should ask her thoughts on Leroy Swailes’s opinion of homosexuals. Forget critical mass for morons, I want to see the gestalt when crazy comes into contact with crazy.

Comment #4: Gracchus.  on  07/08  at  10:50 PM

we do try the rape victim for daring to possess a vagina around rapists. 

Primo victim-blaming nugget from the linked Molly Ivins article—Paglia was at it two decades ago:

One of [Paglia’s] latest [1991] efforts at playing enfant terrible in intellectual
circles was a peppy essay for _Newsday_, claiming that either there is
no such thing as date rape or, if there is, it’s women’s fault because
we dress so provocatively. Thanks, Camille, I’ve got some Texas
fraternity boys I want you to meet.

Comment #5: Hector B.  on  07/08  at  10:57 PM

but they will almost certainly be deployed on a larger scale.

Really?  Give an example.  I’m sure you can come up with one.

While you’re at it, I’d like you to explain why you’re advocating that we remove the idea of examining the criminal’s motive when prosecuting a crime.  Cockburn never managed to explain it in your link even as he danced on the corpse of Matthew Shepherd so he could argue that Shepherd’s killers were sentenced too harshly for what was a mere robbery-gone-wrong.

Comment #6: Mnemosyne  on  07/09  at  12:44 AM

“What she is saying is that being a victim does not exclude a person’s actions from criticism.”

Yes. Exactly. We’re not saying Matthew Shepard deserved his brutal murder, we’re just saying that he should have seen it coming after being in the company of straight men. What the fuck are you talking about?

I mean, was Matthew Shepard threatening them? Did he engage them in heated argument? He may have made a stupid decision in walking around with those guys, but why the hell should that have any bearing on their sentence whatsoever?

Also, “she doesn’t have any sympathy for them”. Clearly. She’s implying Shepard should have expected brutality at the hands of his murderers, as though violence was both inevitable and uncontrollable. If you don’t see criminals as human beings and instead see them as forces of nature, then it’s easier to victim-blame. After all, hurricanes suck and all, but it’s you get hurt surfing in a hurricane, then it’s entirely your fault.

Comment #7: Lenina  on  07/09  at  12:46 AM

I hear tell that Paglia was once a respected intellectual. I’m trying to figure out if that was a load of bullshit or if she got cracked in the head somehow, because I’ve never seen anything that warranted such a claim.

Comment #8: Incertus, Nacho Daddy  on  07/09  at  12:48 AM

Oh, and a little note to Mr. Cockburn, who seems to be more than a little sketchy on the details of the killers’ trial:  if the defendants are going to argue that they killed the guy because he was gay in the hopes of receiving a lighter sentence (aka the “gay panic” defense), why is the state then supposed to ignore their statement that they killed their victim because he was gay?  Is bigotry now an affirmative defense and arguing that you killed or beat someone out of bigotry should get a lighter sentence than if they did it during a robbery?

Comment #9: Mnemosyne  on  07/09  at  12:49 AM

“So, in case you were wondering, we cannot use intent as an element of trying a murderer unless we also figure out the victim’s intent in getting murdered.”

Which is great, because part of the whole thing with hate crimes is to instill that basic, ever-present, free-floating fear of being the victim of a hate crime in the target community.  If you’re targeted for violence or intimidation because of a shared identity with the target group, in order to be unassailable by her standards, you pretty much have to either stop existing or stop being cognizant of the fact that you have a greater likelihood of being the victim of violence than the average bear due to anti-x bigotry.

Comment #10: preying mantis  on  07/09  at  12:53 AM

Is bigotry now an affirmative defense

I know this was rhetorical, and that you probably already know this, but in many cases, it certainly has been.

Comment #11: Auguste  on  07/09  at  01:28 AM

I know this was rhetorical, and that you probably already know this, but in many cases, it certainly has been.

Yeah, I was going more for, “If bigotry is an affirmative defense, why is it forbidden as an aggravating factor in the crime, especially within the same case?”  It’s the stupidity of simultaneously arguing that Matthew Shepherd’s killers had the right to use a gay panic defense but that they prosecution should not have been allowed to use that defense as proof that they killed the guy because he was gay because OMG THOUGHTCRIME!!1!!!!11!!

Comment #12: Mnemosyne  on  07/09  at  01:36 AM

If bigotry is an affirmative defense, why is it forbidden as an aggravating factor in the crime

Although I haven’t analyzed the Shepard case, you could fillet out two types of bigotry: you could be a Grandma Obama-type bigot (black men will harm me) as opposed to a Ku Klux Klan bigot (I must eradicate blacks as if they were vermin.)

Certainly the result for the object of bigotry could be the same: “Hey Gary, let’s go beat up some fags” could end the same way as “That fag flirted with me, so I beat him up.”

Comment #13: Hector B.  on  07/09  at  02:16 AM

Certainly the result for the object of bigotry could be the same: “Hey Gary, let’s go beat up some fags” could end the same way as “That fag flirted with me, so I beat him up.”

Which is why they’re both potential hate crimes.  I don’t get a free pass if I punch out a black guy for flirting with me, even if I argue that I felt threatened by him because he’s black and, well, we all know They can’t control themselves around white women, amirite?  It’s still assault, and it happened because my bigotry led me to overreact to a nonthreatening situation and assault someone who meant me no harm.  If I hadn’t been a bigot, no one would have gotten hurt.

Comment #14: Mnemosyne  on  07/09  at  02:31 AM

If you’re targeted for violence or intimidation because of a shared identity with the target group, in order to be unassailable by her standards, you pretty much have to either stop existing or stop being cognizant of the fact that you have a greater likelihood of being the victim of violence than the average bear due to anti-x bigotry.

But… if you stop being cognizant of your increased risk, that is, if you start acting like there is no danger to you from bigots, then in your ignorance you have invited the violence- you should have known better, just like Shepard.  You are literally damned if you do and damned if you don’t.

Comment #15: Chocolate Covered Cotton  on  07/09  at  05:22 AM

If I am murdered, is that less heinous than a member of a protected class being murdered?

OK, aside from the fact that all “classes” are protected from murder, this is an example of typical conservative black-and-white thinking.  Motive matters, and it always has.  I don’t know the details, but there are already different classes of murder, depending on the motive.  A murderer who gets angry and kills someone spontaneously is different than a murderer who plans out the crime ahead of time.  Someone who kills in self-defense or kills accidentally is completely different than someone who kills their parents for insurance money.  In fact, killing someone as punishment for their killing someone else is considered to be completely acceptable in the conservative view.  Motive matters even to them, although they deny it.  When terrorists attack, it is more than just mass murder and even conservatives would agree with that.  When they claim that motive doesn’t matter, they are not arguing in good faith (big surprise there!)

Comment #16: bananacat  on  07/09  at  10:23 AM

Molly Ivins is dead.

Camille Paglia is still alive and writing.

Proof positive of either one of two theories:  God doesn’t exist; or, God does exist and is a complete asshole.

Comment #17: seeker6079  on  07/09  at  10:51 AM

seeker, I vote for ‘god is a complete asshole’, but maybe that’s just me…

Comment #18: MikeEss  on  07/09  at  11:34 AM

I think the Adamsian position would be “God is an asshole.  Ergo, he doesn’t exist.”

Whatever.  I’ll go with Ivins’ “Paglia is an asshole” and leave it at that.

Comment #19: ummeli  on  07/09  at  12:29 PM

This is of a piece with her usual “Of course that stupid college girl got raped, she got drunk at a frat party, what the hell was she thinking?” shtick. Nice to know her stupidity now encompasses both genders.

Comment #21: Bitter Scribe  on  07/09  at  12:53 PM

Proof positive of either one of two theories:  God doesn’t exist; or, God does exist and is a complete asshole.

Or….

Maybe heaven needed a little livening up.  Maybe the Seraphim were getting a little lax and needed someone to chew on their angelic asses or….

There always some difficulty in proving intent.  However, if the perp, by their actions or speech, during or prior, stated their hate, no such difficulty exists.  The thing they don’t get is a hate crime will never be charged unless clear evidence exists otherwise.  It will just go down as a homocide, robbery, or whatever.

Comment #22: Magis  on  07/09  at  01:48 PM

Three scenarios:

1) A person driving a car at night hits a pedestrian wearing dark clothes who stepped unexpectedly out into the middle of the unlit street, killing the pedestrian.

2) A person driving a car at night is shit-faced and drives his car onto the sidewalk, killing a pedestrian.

3) A person driving a car at night is angry at his boss, waits for him to leave a building, and drives his car into him, killing him.

No one has a problem with these three scenarios being treated extremely differently, despite the result of some innocent person being killed.  But then we talk about “hate crimes” and all of a sudden a murder is a murder, vandalism is vandalism, and considering the perpetrator’s motive is OMG THOUGHTCRIME.

Comment #23: Denise  on  07/09  at  02:29 PM

“But… if you stop being cognizant of your increased risk, that is, if you start acting like there is no danger to you from bigots, then in your ignorance you have invited the violence- you should have known better, just like Shepard.  You are literally damned if you do and damned if you don’t.”

It sounds like she may be willing to cut you some slack if you’re male and able to maintain, against overwhelming amounts of information and personal experience, the belief in your own unassailability and privileged status.  And really, all she’s asking for in exchange for the benefit of the doubt re: your death being a real murder and not a funsies murder is that you stand in front of the mirror every morning, repeat “I am invincible!  The world is my oyster!  I did not get a brick chucked at my head for no reason while walking home from the bar last night!” five times, and really believe it.

Comment #24: preying mantis  on  07/09  at  03:04 PM

Fun with victim blaming ...

If banks didn’t keep all the money in one spot, they wouldn’t get robbed.

If people didn’t insist on wearing rolex watches, the muggers might not take their rolexes (rolices?).

If retailers didn’t keep their merchandise out on the floor, shoplifters couldn’t steal it. 

If people didn’t think they had to drive luxury cars, the car jackers might not try to steal them.

If people didn’t live in McMansions with electronic gadgets and fancy doodads all over the house, robbers might not break in and rob them. 

If people didn’t have credit cards, there wouldn’t be any credit card fraud/identity theft.

Comment #25: blondie  on  07/09  at  04:14 PM

OMG, that Cockburn needs a fiskin’.  Alexander Cockburn, who is far to the left of anyone who posts here and who has spent a lot of energy refuting global warming, says The Matthew Shepard Act is a ham-handed attempt to right injustice by establishing different legal treatment for some classes of crime victims.  NO.  “Hate crimes” laws are about the intent of the perp:  they address the perceived social identity of the crime victims.  You can mistakenly believe your victim is gay or Jewish and still be committing a hate crime.  And you can be convicted of a hate crime that you committed to intimidate white people.

“Hate speech,” far short of any direct incitement to violence, is on the edge of being criminalized, with the First Amendment gone the way of the dodo.  What do speech codes have to do with the issue at hand, which is violent crime?  The problem with the Hate Crimes Prevention Act is that it creates a thought crime and also categories of crime victims for disparate treatment.  All this tossing about of “thought crime” suggests that people aren’t actually reading Nineteen Eighty-Four and, more worrisomely, that they don’t know that the intent of the accused is always a factor in the charge already.  Hence How will a prosecutor prove that a lesbian was murdered because of her sexual orientation rather than because she refused to give the mugger her purse? is a form of a routine question that all criminal trials address. 

Finally, Cockburn’s as Paul Craig Roberts has pointed out on this site points toward another argument that’s not “to the left of anyone who posts here” but (like regular Counterpuncher Ron Paul) to the, uh, liberatarian of anyone who posts here.  PCR emphasizes such injustices as the Civil Rights Act, the Clean Water Act, and the penalties imposed upon Exxon for the Valdez disaster.

I think that Cockburn has left me more, rather than less, inclined to support hate crimes legislation.

Comment #26: Josh  on  07/09  at  07:19 PM

Robbery cases were becoming frequent today.  It was speculated that it is associated to the crisis that our nation is facing. In fact according to the news today, there was another attempted robbery case in Wichita, Kansas. Two unidentified robber attempted to broke into a payday store but an employee saw the two and immediately alerted the police through phone call. The robber escaped after surmising that they wouldn’t succeed. The rash of robberies of payday lenders hasn’t begun subsiding, as they have become more popular targets than traditional robberies, like liquor stores and banks, but there’s at least one store in Kansas they won’t be getting for awhile.

Comment #27: OrangeO  on  07/11  at  05:46 AM

Hate crime laws do not protect any “class” of people more than any other. If I beat up a black guy because I want his money, that is not a hate crime. If I beat up a white guy to punish him for the sins of his slaveholding ancestors, that IS a hate crime.

Comment #28: mythago  on  07/12  at  07:45 PM
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