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Classy girls relinquish their claims to humanity

There’s something about Doug Giles writing a column about “how to be a classy girl” that makes me think that it’s got to be a list of “thou shalt nots” for women with self esteem.  And that’s true for both levels of how he means it—-“classiness” as a way to be in the world, and especially as a way to attract men.  The only appropriate mate someone like Giles can think of for a woman is a mega-watt Republican asshole, exactly the last person you’d want to attract.  So if this is a list of what he, a mega-watt Republican asshole, likes, I’d recommend that women probably stay far the fuck away from it.  Let’s skip the ranting that indicates that Giles takes an unhealthy amount of interest in the sexuality of women far too young for him, legally and otherwise, and get right to the commandments. 

Commandment 1: Don’t flaunt your advantages.


When I first read this, I was sure that by “advantages”, he meant “tits and ass”.  After all, between purity balls and suggestions that fathers, not mothers, should take their daughters swimsuit shopping, it’s widely believed in Wingnut Land that the only interest a father should take in his daughter is sexual, even if it’s ostensibly to declare her sexuality under his control until he cedes it to a husband.  But actually, he meant that girls should carry a small whip around with them at all times to flail themselves should anyone suspect that they shine in any way that could be threatening to the ever-fragile male ego.

The Classy Girl doesn’t show off who she is, where she went to school or her net worth….

A girl with class understands with all the external trappings of success and achievement she can still be a cultural pain in the butt and a horrible person. Therefore, focus not upon dusting up the transient trappings which dazzle the ubiquitous morons but rather pursue the hidden qualities of internal virtues which truly makes a girl great—at least in God’s eyes.

I’m not one to suggest that humility isn’t a virtue, or at least charming under the right circumstances, but the fact that Giles thinks that “not bragging” is a feminine virtue, instead of just a virtue, demonstrates that he means more than just not being obnoxious.  Women recede; men shine.  And more to the point, “god’ (read: easily frightened men) doesn’t like women who have something, um, “god” doesn’t have.

Commandment 2: Everyone deserves respect until they demonstrate they don’t deserve it.

Agreed.  Which is why it’s wrong to be like Doug Giles and assume that people are less worthy of respect because of their race, gender, sexual orientation, gender identity, class status, ethnicity, or preference for one kind of coffee drink over another.  Oh wait.  Of course he doesn’t mean that.

The Classy Girl believes that all people are created in the image of God and should be treated with respect until that person shows they don’t deserve it.

That means she doesn’t slap, spit or drop the F-bomb on her pastor, elders, teachers or parents.

What makes this worse is that Giles is a Christian minister, and the only respect he can imagine worth mentioning is the respect for authority figures.  He doesn’t even understand the basic idea of Christian respect and humility as actually described by Jesus, which is the much more in demand respect for people down the totem pole.  You know, the lepers and whores.  Even an infidel like me gets that; why can’t a minister?  This is a real perversion of the stated idea that “everyone” deserves respect.  To be included in the group “everyone”, you have to have power over others, apparently. 

Commandment 3: Titles are important.

It’s beginning to seem that there doesn’t need to be ten commandments for girls.  Just two: Know your place, and step back, bitch.

Commandment 4: Everyone else matters before you do.

The Classy Girl is here to serve, not be served. She does weird stuff like what needs to be done versus being some diva who expects everyone to wait on her.

Only boys and men get to be divas in Doug Giles’ world.  How he manages to get through the cognitive dissonance of that is beyond me.

Commandment 5: Be helpful.

The Classy Girl sees a need, and if she can assist then she helps. The other day I was out in front of a Publix Supermarket and watched a burglary in progress. The guy ran out of the store, cash in hand, with the clerk and security guards chasing him. It looked fun, so I joined in the chase. The clerk and the guard ran out of juice, and I (along with a cop) got to tackle the dude and jam his face into the cement (one of those little perks God drops in your lap every now and then). Bottom line with those raised as a Classy Girl is: whether it’s with tackling a punk or packing a trunk, The Classy Girl is programmed to H-E-L-P, not hinder.

I’m not sure why Giles is telling us this story when trying to describe the behavior of classy girls, because I doubt that he defines feminine classiness as chasing down robbers and curb-checking them.  Maybe he does, but we’ll never know.  The entire point of putting this in is that you know that while Giles is a Diva with a capital D, he still is All Man and can totally join up with a gang of people taking out a solitary person.  Not that I’m saying it’s wrong for a group of people to nab a robber or anything, but it’s hardly a sign of your ever-lasting manhood when you’re like, “I had his arm while the other guy grabbed his knees.”

Commandment 6: Be friendly.

The Classy Girl smiles. She’s not sullen or vexed. She’s not walking around like the psycho chicks and metrosexual males in Miami in a pout pretending to be the next angry supermodel. The Classy Girl says hello and starts friendly conversations.

Because women, not being humans, don’t have feelings. The don’t have the internal lives that produce feelings. Women are robotic creatures whose “feelings” are purely external, and for the consumption of others.  You can’t be frowning because you’re actually sad.  It must be because you’re trying to affect others.  You can’t have a glazed look in your face in public because you’re thinking about stuff and not really that concerned about making sure the egos of strange men around you are stroked properly.  A smoothly functioning female machine performs at her male-pleasing duties at 100% capacity 100% of the time.

Commandment 7: Use the right words.

When asked a question, the Classy Girl doesn’t reply with “Huh?” “What?” or “Yeah.” It’s “Please,” “Thank you” or “Yes or no thank you.” She’s a girl who respectfully asks and doesn’t demand.

Gendering good manners as a woman’s (sorry, girl’s) duty and not a man’s.  Which I suppose he’d probably protest as a characterization, but that last sentence shows that’s exactly what he means.  He’d never say that a good man asks and doesn’t demand.  Most of his writing is about how men are emasculated by a pussified culture that requires men to adhere to the rules of civilization like, “Ask, don’t demand.” 

Commandment 8: Don’t dress like a skank.

I give him credit for holding out until #8 to really get to what he cares about.

However, if she wants to avoid drooling male troglodytes and be taken seriously as both a human and a woman, then she must avoid wearing stripper heels to church.  The Classy Girl will send a message to the men out there by the way she dresses that she’s sophisticated and eloquent, not sleazy and easy, capisce?

I don’t know; being taken as “elegant” doesn’t actually seem to improve the way that the troglodytes treat you.  Turns out that merely being a woman disqualifies you, in troglodyte eyes, from being a human, which is why most of Giles’ list is about how good girls erase tamp down and hopefully erase themselves as human beings worthy of respect.

Commandment 9: Don’t take nude photos of yourself or make sex tapes.

Since this would presumably go under the larger heading of “Don’t have sex,” I’m somewhat surprised that Giles got so specific.  I mean, he rarely refrains from telling unmarried, young women simply not to have a sexuality at all, if they can help it, so why the specificity?  I can only conclude that, between this and the skank commandment, Giles had some time by himself with some favorite non-Christian websites to clear his head and get some inspiration.

Commandment 10: Develop cell phone etiquette.

First off, put your cell phone on vibrate, alright? There’s enough noise pollution in our world without us having to hear your Razor blast out Nelly Furtado at ear-splitting decibels. Secondly, quit yelling on your phone. Just because you can’t hear yourself in your cell phone’s earpiece doesn’t mean the caller can’t hear you. In addition, by speaking softly we won’t know how shallow and crazy you really are. Thirdly, if you’re going to go nuts on the phone will you walk outside, huh? Fourthly, turn it off during church, okay Jezebel? Fifthly, if you won’t text while we’re eating dinner then I won’t fart at the supper table, deal?

Or, in other words, it’s physically impossible for a woman to have anything worth saying, so he doesn’t understand why they need to use their vocal cords at all.  Who knew that Christian fundamentalism would get to the point where merely talking on the phone would be enough to get you slurred with the word “Jezebel”?

 

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Posted by Amanda Marcotte on 12:48 PM • (70) Comments

No—not even talking on it… just failing to put it on vibrate in church.
What do you a call a man who lets his phone ring during Giles’ anti-Teh Ghey rants?

Comment #1: dallas  on  07/28  at  12:56 PM

That fucker would have to be based in south Florida, wouldn’t he? Is it just me or is there a correlation between just how psychotic a Bible-thumper is and how multi-cultural a place is? Seems to me that the biggest loons are in places where there’s the widest variety of views and lifestyles.

Comment #2: Incertus, Nacho Daddy  on  07/28  at  12:56 PM

Did he provide a link to the local newspaper story talking about how a citizen assisted a cop in nailing a robber at the local Supermarket?

Of course not ... that would be bragging ... or it would be verifying a fantasy story that NEVER HAPPENED.

He can just suck my cock, you know?  All the better that I don’t have one for him.

Comment #3: Ms Kate  on  07/28  at  01:03 PM

I was wondering about that as well, Ms. Kate—especially since he doesn’t seem to know the difference between burglary and robbery.

Comment #4: Incertus, Nacho Daddy  on  07/28  at  01:06 PM

I (along with a cop) got to tackle the dude and jam his face into the cement (one of those little perks God drops in your lap every now and then)

Wait, what religion is this guy?

Wow, I can’t even think of a jokey religoin like CFSM or Cthulu that would think getting to be gratuitously violent to someone accused of a crime is a “perk” God throws your way….

What a douche.

Comment #5: The Opoponax  on  07/28  at  01:13 PM

There is nothing in this list that can only apply to women in a logical sense, so the mere fact that the list is directed only at women, using numerous female-specific slurs, is about all anyone needs to know.

Comment #6: Ink Asylum  on  07/28  at  01:14 PM

What an asshole. There are people who listen to this guy and take him seriously?

Hell in a handbasket.

Comment #7: Mark  on  07/28  at  01:15 PM

Not to mention can I just say how hilarious that “Jesus commands us to beat people up for no reason” is right after between respecting everyone as part of god’s creation.  and always being friendly.

Comment #8: The Opoponax  on  07/28  at  01:17 PM

The Classy Girl sees a need, and if she can assist then she helps. The other day I was out in front of a Publix Supermarket and watched a burglary in progress. The guy ran out of the store, cash in hand, with the clerk and security guards chasing him. A classy girl stepped forward, and helpfully offered to hold the loot while the robber fought off the clerks and security guards . . .

Comment #9: rea  on  07/28  at  01:20 PM

The Boy Scouts of America oath:

A Scout is trustworthy, loyal, helpful, friendly, courteous, kind, obedient, cheerful, thrifty, brave, clean, and reverent.

The Girl Scouts of the USA oath:

I will do my best to be
honest and fair,
friendly and helpful,
considerate and caring,
courageous and strong, and
responsible for what I say and do,
and to
respect myself and others,
respect authority,
use resources wisely,
make the world a better place, and
be a sister to every Girl Scout.

Shorter Giles:  adult women should act like (properly trained) adolescent boys and girls.

Comment #10: Pesto  on  07/28  at  01:23 PM

That this guy issues his list of obvious and gender-neutral “commandments” only to girls and women tells me all I need to know about his inherent sexism. I’m sure if a male child (ok, a white male child) broke one of these “commandments,” he’d chuckle and say “boys will be boys.”

Another of the American right’s frightened little “men.”

Comment #11: Gracchus  on  07/28  at  01:29 PM

Doug Giles? Seriously?

Comment #12: norbizness  on  07/28  at  01:29 PM

This wonktard sounds like he’s a closet Christian Domestic Discipline idiot.

Don’t be better than a man at anything. You might embarrass them and disturb their “I am Lord of my Domain” vibe.

Use the right words? Never call a domineering, bigoted, sexist asshole out for what he is.

Titles are important? Let me guess: he wants his docile, subservient little fucktoys to call him “Master” or “Daddy.”

Don’t dress like a skank? Unless it’s what pops Giles’ corn.

What an utter wretch.

Comment #13: Crabby  on  07/28  at  01:46 PM

What’s most fascinating to me is that if you degender the intent of the list, and both degender and tweak (or in many cases eliminate) the specific examples, it’s a pretty good list of classy behavior for anyone.

Being polite, friendly, helpful, developing considerate phone manners, and so on really are all classy behaviors. Even the one about respect, tweaked as noted by Amanda to include human beings, not just pastors, counts. And phones should be set to vibrate or off at any public event, not just church.

I went back to the original article to see if there was some chance that this might be a misguided attempt to do a parallel Classy Boys/Classy Girls list, but Amanda, way to strip out context in the moron’s favor - it’s actually even worse than you point out, because while the list itself is bad enough, it is framed in the “girls have to behave themselves to set standards for society” crap that somehow manages to point out that girls are being bombarded with “role models” that sexualize them and reward bad and unclassy behavior without even glancing in the direction of boys and what society is teaching them. But then, big shocker there.

I am still completely confused by the supermarket story as an example of a Classy Girl being helpful. Guy robs store, clerk and guy chase, minister and cop tackle Bad Guy. Moral of the story: Classy Girls help if they can but otherwise don’t hinder. WTF? Where did I miss either the helpful or non-hindering Classy Girl in the story? The only non-gendered people in the story are the store employees and the cop, and I somehow doubt he would have told quite the same story if the cop was a woman. Although that would have been a great example of a woman being helpful to society, I don’t think it fits his model. The clerk who chased and then ran out of steam, maybe? Did the running out of steam and letting the manly minister tackle the brute count as “not hindering?”

Or, more likely, was it just a way for the author to toss in his story of how macho he is?

Comment #14: Lymis  on  07/28  at  01:48 PM

It looked fun, so I joined in the chase. The clerk and the guard ran out of juice, and I (along with a cop) got to tackle the dude and jam his face into the cement (one of those little perks God drops in your lap every now and then).

Uh, wow, that’s a pretty disturbing worldview for a Christian pastor, isn’t it?  “Yeah, hurting people is awesome!”

Comment #15: smadin  on  07/28  at  01:52 PM

I would bet a million bazillion dollars the story about kicking the ass of the supermarket robber is a total fabrication.  I especially like how he describes it as happening “the other day,” all casual-like, as if this sort of thing happens all the time. Right.

Comment #16: Gillian  on  07/28  at  01:57 PM

All the really elegant women I know would sniff, mutter NIOCD, and tell him to get his ass back out to stables and finish shoveling.

(Not in Our class Dear)

Comment #17: The Pale Scot  on  07/28  at  02:23 PM

When asked a question, the Classy Girl doesn’t reply with “Huh?” “What?” or “Yeah.”

Because Classy Girls always understand you, regardless of the gibberish that comes out of your mouth!

Comment #18: Jeffrey  on  07/28  at  02:24 PM

“Or, more likely, was it just a way for the author to toss in his story of how macho he is? “

It’s obvious, but: BINGO!

Comment #19: Eric, Rejector of Memes  on  07/28  at  02:36 PM

Yeah, so I’m reading this and getting riled up b/c much of this bullcrap was part of my formative years. I’ve spent 41 years getting over this shit only to see it thrown back in my face.

Then the self-preservation humor reflex kicks in. Can’t stop thinking of a vibrator in church now. Might make me go back someday just to try it out.

BTW, I’m sure he farts at the supper table for no reason. No reason at all. And laughs each time. Or sniggers at the least.

Comment #20: mzprairie  on  07/28  at  02:53 PM

Lymis, I disagree that it’s a good list of “classy” behavior for both sexes.  Treat yourself like a doormat?  Consider respect a quality that only goes upwards, not downwards?  Dress yourself as if you’re advertising your sexual status to the world?

Comment #21: Amanda Marcotte  on  07/28  at  02:57 PM

I wonder if he’s actually MET any women? Or is this some snickering, sad little adolescent boy wet dream about robot women that do everything you program them to?
scary…
E.

Comment #22: evilgrin  on  07/28  at  03:01 PM

Norb: I consider anyone with a bigger audience than me fair game.  Sadly, an random half-literate wingnut has more influence and audience.  This kind of misogynist blooey is far more popular that you’d think.

Comment #23: Amanda Marcotte  on  07/28  at  03:02 PM

Oh, evil.  It’s worse than that.  He’s got two teenage daughters.  And an audience of many middle-aged, resentful fucktard men who also have teenage daughters to torture with this stuff.

Comment #24: Amanda Marcotte  on  07/28  at  03:04 PM

he’s got the writing style and mental maturity of a teenage boy…yet attempts to lecture women as if they are stupid little kids. this dude’s got issues.

Comment #25: chibi  on  07/28  at  03:16 PM

I wonder if he’s actually MET any women? Or is this some snickering, sad little adolescent boy wet dream about robot women that do everything you program them to?

He’s in South Florida.  I don’t know about anyone else, but it was perfectly obvious to me that he was specifically addressing Cubanas and Cuban-Americans.  The reference about “wearing stripper heels to church” was directed particularly at those slutty Catholic girls, admonishing them for not being more uptight and prudish like Protestant ones, specifically, the Pentacostal and southern baptist variety that he holds particular sway with. 

Since Cuban-American women are also under tremendous pressure to succeed academically and economically, his first admonishment is reserved for them:  Don’t show off your accomplishments.  When you discuss your time at university, it makes the good ole boys who pilot Everglade boat tours feel resentful and jealous, especially if you went to school on a scholarship. 

What chibi said about dude having issues.  The big two are that he’s a racist and a misogynist.

P.S.  That story about tackling the burglar is a complete fabrication.  Any suspect who was assaulted by a civilian during the commission of a crime could sue the civilian civilly and get a recovery for his injuries because the civilian isn’t authorized to make arrests.  Only police officers are.

Comment #26: Mezosub  on  07/28  at  03:42 PM

It’s instructive to consider that Pastor Dougie himself behaves in the complete opposite way he proscibes here. Someone who is humble and not interested in flaunting themselves certainly wouldn’t tell that apocryphal story about the supermarket robbery appropos of nothing at all, would he? Dougie is a total diva—check out his airbrushed Glamour Shots photo—whose columns are all devoted to nonstop insult parades.

Comment #27: sophronia  on  07/28  at  03:47 PM

What a moronic conception of women (or men!).
If I had a nickel for every time I was told I should “smile!” I’d have my own island dominion by now.

Comment #28: athena  on  07/28  at  03:50 PM

Well, Amanda, as is my wont recently, I am questioning the value of wasting one’s beautiful mind on fisking subliterate nonsense, regardless of popularity, when that person’s audience is obviously impervious to reason, or else they wouldn’t be part of his audience to begin with (think Jim Jones). As compared, say, to Maureen Dowd, whose toxicity is more subtle and therefore seeps into the public discourse when part of the NYT (think releasing a dangerous chemical into the water supply).

Comment #29: norbizness  on  07/28  at  03:50 PM

Alright.  Gotcha.  If I want to be a Classy Girl, I should be ready to help beat the shit out of someone at a moment’s notice.

Commandment 6: Be friendly.

The Classy Girl smiles. She’s not sullen or vexed.

My sister does not have a naturally smiley face.  She often looks like she’s thinking about something else, which she usually is.  I am constantly amazed at how many guys, at work or just walking around, feel that they have the right to tell her to smile (she gets so many “a smile takes less muscles than a frown”) or that she should look more friendly.  I’ve advised her that anyone who said that to me would immediately get a story about how my husband/kid/parent just died, and I was just thinking about how much I missed them, and how would I go on, etc.  But she’s too nice to pull that off.  She just glares at them instead.

Comment #30: acallidryas  on  07/28  at  03:52 PM

Actualy the whole “citizens arrest” thing just came up on anther blog I read. You can in most states act to apprehend a suspect if you were yourself a witness to a felony and I think there are other restrictions too. In any case, fundie-boy was not a direct witness, though that doesn’t matter as I’d guess the incident never happened.

Comment #31: Bacopa  on  07/28  at  03:58 PM

The Classy Girl believes that all people are created in the image of God ...

Actually, this one makes me doubly uneasy as a Christian - first the part which you take on, about all the examples given of people “in the image of God” and worthy of respect being authority figures, and second the part where “classy” is used as the term for the good Christian woman - as opposed to what?  Low class?  Nouveau riche?  Vulgar?

And the whole list is like that - it throws together things that are, even if delivered with the wrong slant, at least plausibly part of good Christian behavior (for men and women alike) with things that really aren’t a minister’s business (is this guy actually a minister? ick!), like whether you say “yeah.”

Comment #32: Lynn Gazis-Sax  on  07/28  at  04:17 PM

Even by Clownhall standards, this guy is bizarre. I could almost feel the spittle flying off the screen.

My favorite part was:

I asked Ted Nugent one time what he would do if one of his sons or daughters told him to F-off. Ted said, “I’d tear off their head and _______ down their throat.”

Yeah, because nothing teaches someone respect like tearing off their head and _______ing down their throat.

BTW, wasn’t Nugent the guy who showed up for his Vietnam-era induction physical in urine- and feces-soaked pants to get a 4-F? And now he’s Mr. Gun Nut Tough Guy.

Comment #33: Bitter Scribe  on  07/28  at  04:25 PM

I HATE it when men try to tell women to be “friendly.”  Hate hate hate!  I get around entirely with buses and walking, which means I have a lot more encounters with random men in the public sphere than many young women in my area, and let me tell you:  Most of the guys who want to initiate contact with some young girl on the street/bus are creepsters anyway and will unhesitatingly seize on the single second your bitch-shield goes down.  I could have spared myself so many awkward, inappropriate, nerve-wracking situations if I didn’t feel pressured to give random guys the benefit of the doubt by being “nice” to them.

And regardless of what people (and by this I mean my guy-friends) say about the joys of befriending strangers, not once have these experiences left me feeling anything less than uncomfortable and threatened.

::deep breath:: 

...Well, I guess it’s all because I dress so skanky.  Thanks, Doug Giles.

Comment #34: Jennifer S.  on  07/28  at  04:31 PM

He’s got two teenage daughters.

Perhaps that explains this:

That means she doesn’t slap, spit or drop the F-bomb on her pastor, elders, teachers or parents.

I had a friend who was the daughter of a pastor from a mainline Protestant denomination. She once hurled a plate of lasagna at her father because of the way he was treating her mother.

Treat yourself like a doormat?

Amanda, that’s from the POV of the book that Brian’s Song was based on,  back when theraspids ruled the world and 8-tracks were still a viable format.

She just glares at them instead.

I remember reading an essay in the SF Chronicle about a woman who didn’t smile during her employee review and ended up with a salary increase because her behavior what interpreted as being ‘serious’.

Comment #35: The Dark Avenger and Guardian of 10 Gold Chow Mein  on  07/28  at  04:36 PM

Can someone explain to me what he means by “getting their ovens removed at age 15”? Is that code for a hysterectomy?

Comment #36: JM  on  07/28  at  04:41 PM

Lymis, I disagree that it’s a good list of “classy” behavior for both sexes.

Unless your goal is to create a class of suppressed, craven, authority worshiping individuals who are ashamed of their own intellect, skills, and accomplishments….the very things individuals should be proud of in themselves and give due respect so long as one is not being an obnoxious ass about it. 

The high school classmates who attended Ivy-level institutions on substantial scholarships/financial aid have had to deal with crap about “not showing off one’s schooling and accomplishments” which was, in practice, avoiding any mention of it whatsoever or else you risk being labeled an elitist ass.  It got to the point that people gave them crap merely for wearing casual t-shirts with their college’s name on it as if they should be ashamed of it.  Though many of them tend to downplay it in order to keep the peace…..some later came to the realization that jealous people will hold any achievements and accomplishments against you so one should not cater one’s life to accommodate such people. 

Hell, I’ve encountered this on what was mutually agreed to be a casual coffee type date some years back when my date became infuriated and went off on me because I happened to be wearing a T-shirt celebrating my public urban magnet high school’s 100th anniversary. 

It was only after this encounter and after her older brother got on my case about it any my pointing out that I’m not a clairvoyant that I found that she had strong animus against anyone who happened to attend my public magnet urban high school because her parents refused her permission to attend after she gained admission due to the long commuting distance from her home.  Would have been nice to have gotten this info beforehand…

Comment #37: exholt  on  07/28  at  04:44 PM

Jennifer S - I’m with you.  Random strangers feel free to tell you to Smile especially if you are a young woman.

I once ran into one of these random busybodies, who just tossed out - “smile, it can’t be as bad as that” as he walked past me.  I was so irritated, I responded “well, it’s pretty bad” and launched into a soap opera of bad times (mostly made up) - no-good husband, lot job, sick parents, broke, yadda, yadda.  I have never seen someone over 70 move so fast to get away from my tale of woe.

Comment #38: CParis  on  07/28  at  04:45 PM

My church has a reminder before service to turn phones and pagers to silent mode.

Pesto, what’s so wrong about Girl Scout oath values? Combined with some common sense, they would lead to peace of mind, if nothing else. Who wants to live their life being a grumpy lying coward?

#2, #3 (wrt calling people Mr, Ms, Mrs, Dr. Last Name until given their first name - ESPECIALLY service industry personnel, poor people, and others not generally treated well), #5, 6, 7, 10 are basically ok. #9 is just common sense in this day of digital photos being posted everywhere. #1 may apply if it means that you don’t go on and on about how much more you make than your neighbors, or that you drive the most expensive car on the block. Don’t be a pompous ass. Display accomplishments in an appropriate manner - the average listener wants only a one sentence summary.

Comment #39: NancyP  on  07/28  at  04:45 PM

I think the problem is that 1. only women are being told to comply with these basic rules of human behavior, and 2. They’re being all bent around to mean things that they simply do not mean.  Like “always be helpful” does NOT mean “cream shoplifters even though the cops are already on hand to deal with the situation”.  “Respect everyone” does not mean “respect pastors and always do what they say no matter what”.

Comment #40: The Opoponax  on  07/28  at  04:54 PM

Wow, that guy is so fragile and pathetic he made my penis feel smaller.

Comment #41: junk science  on  07/28  at  04:54 PM

The high school classmates who attended Ivy-level institutions on substantial scholarships/financial aid have had to deal with crap about “not showing off one’s schooling and accomplishments” which was, in practice, avoiding any mention of it whatsoever or else you risk being labeled an elitist ass.  It got to the point that people gave them crap merely for wearing casual t-shirts with their college’s name on it as if they should be ashamed of it.

I studied at Oxford University and I avoided mentioning it if I could when I met people elsewhere. Not because of perceptions of elitism, but perceptions of “scary smart”. This may be a UK/US difference - the anti-intellectualism in Blighty isn’t quite as contemptuous as it is here.

Comment #42: pepito  on  07/28  at  05:12 PM

To me, just about everything in that list pretty much screamed *ASSHOLE* in sixteen-foot red neon letters, but for me, the bit that invoked instantaneous nausea was:

It looked fun, so I joined in the chase.

“Hey, cool!! ROBBERY IN PROGRESS!! Just the thing to liven up my day! Maybe not so much of a hoot as the back-seat-rape I interrupted last week, but you gotta take your fun where you find it, yes?”

Moronic ass-fuck.

Comment #43: Captain Goto  on  07/28  at  05:32 PM

The mind boggles that a sick-fuck right-wing wackaloon theocratic douchcornet like Giles could even be from planet Earth.

Comment #44: PhysioProf  on  07/28  at  06:11 PM

First off, put your cell phone on vibrate, alright?

My mom says vibrating cell phones just make her think of sex toys smile

Comment #45: annajcook  on  07/28  at  06:50 PM

Yes, his story about tackling the burglar is most certainly a lie; a Google search for “Publix” and “Doug Giles” turns up mostly references to this article, nothing at all about any robbery he heroically helped with.

Comment #46: mildredmorgan  on  07/28  at  07:03 PM

Wow, and here I had forgotten that Some Assholes are Fucking Huge Assholes!
Thanks,  Doug!

Comment #47: heydave  on  07/28  at  07:14 PM

Commandment 3: Titles are important.

I find that people who think this often conflate titles with respect, and are completely oblivious to sarcasm.

And seriously, no, they’re not.

Commandment 4: Everyone else matters before you do.

I had a friend in high school—she was smart and talented and kind—who did this.  And she ended up developing an eating disorder and trying to commit suicide.  Putting everyone else before yourself is telling yourself that you are not worthwhile.  It’s not healthy, and it ultimately does everyone a disservice—both yourself and those who care about you.

She’s doing a lot better now, happily, probably because her parents are not Doug Giles.

Commandment 6: Be friendly.

Yeah, this sort of thing is what used to result in me being harassed by assholes.*  I tend to be polite, these days, but I’m not going to go out of my way to be friendly at all times.  There are places for friendliness and places for keeping a safe and polite distance.

*While wearing loose t-shirts and baggy pants, so it darn well wasn’t because I “dressed like a skank.”

When asked a question, the Classy Girl doesn’t reply with “Huh?” “What?” or “Yeah.”

Apparently Classy Girls are never hard of hearing.  Or are they just to say “I’m so sorry, my weak feminine ears failed me and I did not hear your question.  Would you be so kind as to repeat it?” by which point the questioner has become bored and walked away.

Comment #48: Mel  on  07/28  at  07:35 PM

Also, I’m kind of pissed that he’s coopted “classy” (a concept I’m fond of and define rather differently) to mean “humble doormat.”

I’m actually a pretty big fan of the Girl Scouts—I think they overall encourage a good set of values and provide a lot of great resources for girls.  They’ve done some fantastic outreach to encourage girls in science.  They’re not much like the Boy Scouts at all.

Comment #49: Mel  on  07/28  at  07:43 PM

I studied at Oxford University and I avoided mentioning it if I could when I met people elsewhere. Not because of perceptions of elitism, but perceptions of “scary smart”. This may be a UK/US difference - the anti-intellectualism in Blighty isn’t quite as contemptuous as it is here.

There is a great deal of anti-intellectualism in American society….and a contempt for those who are intellectually inclined….and those who excel in academia at any level. 

When I was in Taiwan and China where upon being asked where I went to high school/college….and replying with requested info, the response was always overwhelmingly positive and a conferring of greater respect from those asking.  A refreshing change from unwarranted accusations of being a “know-it-all” and an “elitist”.

Comment #50: exholt  on  07/28  at  07:55 PM

I’m surprised that no one else has offered the explanation for the criminal-tackling episode that immediately jumped out at me:  He’s reminding his young female audience that he (and by extension every man that she’s being told to submit to) is capable of physical violence, that he enjoys it even.

The story so jarringly out of place in this context that I can’t come up with any other explanation.

Comment #51: bootsie briarwood  on  07/28  at  08:31 PM

Yeah, this sort of thing is what used to result in me being harassed by assholes.* I tend to be polite, these days, but I’m not going to go out of my way to be friendly at all times.  There are places for friendliness and places for keeping a safe and polite distance.

I decided long ago to replace “always be friendly” with “always be kind”.  I have no problem being polite, businesslike, even sometimes cold when necessary.  But I try to remember to hold the elevator door, give my seat on the train to a little kid, empty the lint trap at the laundromat, pick up someone else’s litter every once in a while, and things like that.  That sort of thing matters a lot more than whether you keep yourself open for sexual harassment from any passing d00d.

Comment #52: The Opoponax  on  07/28  at  08:55 PM

Uh, wow, that’s a pretty disturbing worldview for a Christian pastor, isn’t it?  “Yeah, hurting people is awesome!”

Maybe you’re not entirely clear on the whole concept of “religion”, yet.

As a form of violence towards reason, it’s hardly surprising that it manifests itself as actual violence fairly often.

Comment #53: Chet  on  07/28  at  09:56 PM

Chet, even the most unhinged cleric in the most fundamentalist sect of the most pro-violence religion on earth would not advocate what Giles casually encouraged in that passage.  Well, except for him of course.  But “God tells us to gratuitously maim people for no reason, just because we happen to be in the right place at the right time” is not a part of ANY religion.  Even the bloodiest excesses of the Crusades have nothing on that.  Even the ancient pagan religions that advocated human sacrifice have nothing on that.

That’s part of what rings so false about that little anecdote—it’s like a 9 year old’s drawing of a gigantic bazooka that defies the laws of physics.

Comment #54: The Opoponax  on  07/28  at  10:09 PM

Reminds me of the line from THE FABULOUS BAKER BOYS - “He wouldn’t know class if it walked up and grabbed him by the balls.

Comment #55: Mo"  on  07/28  at  10:22 PM

I think US anti-intellectualism is pretty much taken as a given. Back when I was young enough that such things mattered, I knew ivy grads who worked fairly hard to avoid mentioning where they’d gone to college (and others, of course, who couldn’t go more than a few sentences before mentioning it, but those generally weren’t the intellectual type).

There are some potentially good qualities on this list, but they’re tainted by association and by the false exclusitivty of their target. (Even the “metrosexual men” aren’t told to smile, you’ll notice.)

Comment #56: paul  on  07/28  at  10:29 PM

He’s got it wrong.  Wouldn’t Jezebels already have their phone on vibrate?

Comment #57: Melanie  on  07/28  at  10:51 PM

“Commandment 2: Everyone deserves respect until they demonstrate they don’t deserve it.”

You know, Pastor, I agree with you on that. Now, did *you* ever get the idea that, if you’re sometimes not getting the respect you think you should get from other people, it might be because you already *have* demonstrated to them that you don’t deserve it?

Comment #58: Raphael  on  07/28  at  11:28 PM

I admire the way that a goodly number of them start of with decent advice (everyone deserves respect until they prove otherwise #2, basic cell phone ettiquite #10).... and then swerve into spittleflecked whore castigation.

...but if he didn’t have that, he’d have nothing else to talk about.

Comment #59: Indy  on  07/29  at  01:30 AM

You know, Pastor, I agree with you on that. Now, did *you* ever get the idea that, if you’re sometimes not getting the respect you think you should get from other people, it might be because you already *have* demonstrated to them that you don’t deserve it?

Now, Raphael—don’t confuse the poor lad.

Comment #60: Sour Kraut  on  07/29  at  01:37 AM

He doesn’t even understand the basic idea of Christian respect and humility as actually described by Jesus, which is the much more in demand respect for people down the totem pole.  You know, the lepers and whores.

An atheist seems to understand Christianity better than many Christians do. Not only is that evidenced here, but it was also apparent in your post against torture.

Maybe he does [think chasing down robbers is a feminine virtue], but we’ll never know.

Actually, he kind of does. I recall a column of his – “How Not to Be Murdered by a Dutch Hedonist” – wherein he said, “Learn to Kick Butt. A good defense is a strong offense, and ladies, I’m a big advocate of your learning how to dissemble a man, should the need arise, with your own hands, feet and weapon. If I were you, my dear, I would take martial arts, learn how to use a knife, buy a gun and get a concealed weapons permit. I’m talking getting packed, stacked and ready to whack.”

The guys at Sadly, No were happy to disassemble Giles’ comments, in part because the rest of his article read like a submission to the He-Man Woman-Haters Club newsletter. Nonetheless, however, he does consider ass-kicking a feminine virtue.

“Hey, cool!! ROBBERY IN PROGRESS!! Just the thing to liven up my day! Maybe not so much of a hoot as the back-seat-rape I interrupted last week, but you gotta take your fun where you find it, yes?”

It’s funny he should tell that robbery-in-progress story as if it were a good thing. He’s pretty tone-deaf, that man; especially when he starts telling tales of how he hunts big game and then ‘breaks them down’ with painful, cruel gut-shots – that’s right: gut – before finally killing them. (He sold videos of that particular hunt at his church, if I recall the article correctly.)

Comment #61: The Devil's Advocate  on  07/29  at  04:33 AM

I am so mad at Norb I can’t even think. This is an important post. Amanda you are one of the few writers who gets it. Anyone who thinks this is lightweight or beneath your talents ought to think about this post and others like it next time you see a woman with scars up and down her arms.

Girls who grow up sexually and physically abused are punished for understanding and resisting what is happening to them.
The smiling, constant good cheer and denial of feelings is the crux of their indoctrination, and lies behind the crazy-making seen in self-destructive women. Giles manifesto is what we grow up with. A woman who overcomes the compulsion to re-traumatize herself has to recognize the mind-fucking she suffered as the underpinnings of her shame, self-harm, cutting, passivity, substance-abuse, eating disorders, craving for dysfunction and putting herself in harms way. The reason we don’t hear more stories about how women overcome is because so few actually do. And because her story has been culturally de-legitimized, which compounds her tendency to self-silence. Which she has been programmed to do, then sit in the dark with a bottle and a razor. Ugh. Thank you Amanda, more like this please.  Thank you for speaking.

Comment #62: flawedplan  on  07/29  at  04:58 AM

Girls who grow up sexually and physically abused are punished for understanding and resisting what is happening to them.

No shit. My two older sisters had plenty of fights with our parents over enforcing their batshit religious beliefs on us, culminating in one of my sisters getting hog tied by my father, while my mother egged him on. The dissonance of their asinine religion vs basic morality also made me suicidal for a while. Seeing how my middle sister resisted helped me to get the hell out ASAP. It’s taken me a good 10 years to burn their stupid out of my brain, and I’ve still got a long way to go. I have massive respect for any woman who is able to overcome this kind of brainwashing. Power to the peaceful.

Comment #63: banisteriopsis  on  07/29  at  05:28 AM

The Opoponax: Wait, what religion is this guy?

Hard to say. No lack of gods of war or revenge.

Accallidryas: I am constantly amazed at how many guys, at work or just walking around, feel that they have the right to tell her to smile

Those are moments when a Wednesday Addams smile (the kind from “Addams Family Values”) would come really handy. Or not-too-fake-looking vampire teeth.

Comment #64: inge  on  07/29  at  08:03 AM

I smile big and open my eyes very wide.  Try to look hungry while you do it.  Practice in a mirror until you freak yourself out.

Comment #65: Ugly In Pink  on  07/29  at  04:20 PM

he starts telling tales of how he hunts big game and then ‘breaks them down’ with painful, cruel gut-shots

That is sickening.  What a scumbag.

Comment #66: keshmeshi  on  07/29  at  06:06 PM

I liked this article better in the original Victorian English.

Comment #67: SamFromUtah  on  07/29  at  07:42 PM

That dude is as gay as he can be.

Comment #68: merl  on  07/30  at  10:25 AM

Read this yesterday and couldn’t get it out of my head. The sickening emphasis on “respect ME! put ME before you! I am more important than you! Obey ME!” and at the same time claiming women wear “stripper heels” to his church (wtf?). This man has issues, and by issues I mean he probably molests and harasses women unfortunate enough to be in his vicinity beyond the verbal shit that Amanda just dissected for us. He looks at the women in his church as so much rebellious meat on stripper heels. Jesus F. Christ.

Comment #69: CassieC  on  07/30  at  02:05 PM

That dude is as gay as he can be.

What makes you think that?

Comment #70: junk science  on  07/30  at  04:39 PM

I am so sick and tired of men telling women to “smile!”.  I usually have a serious look on my face because I’m usually thinking of things that are important in my life. I was walking down the street a couple months ago, and some strange guy says,“Smile, you look so serious.!”  WTF? Is it any of his fucking business? I’ve seen plenty of men who don’t walk around looking like some idiot with a big smile plastered on their faces 24/7. And I certainly wouldn’t dream of telling some strange guy to smile. I, mean, who the fuck cares why they aren’t smiling? And who the fuck are they to tell me what expression I should have on my face just to please them? Fuck off, moron. Oh, and the few times that I actually did smile at some strange guy on the street? These morons seem to think that a smile is code for “fuck me, I’m available.” All I got was a whole bunch of highly inappropriate personal questions like, “What’s your name?”, “Where do you live?”, “What’s your phone number?”.  Dude, I just saw you for the first time 30 seconds ago, and I sure as hell ain’t interested in dating you, telling you personal information, or going to unknown places with a stranger. Of course, these same guys get offended and told me I shouldn’t smile like that. Smile like what? I hardly think my smile was seductive especially when being seductive was the last thing on my mind. Now, I avoid eye contact all together with strange men on the street. It saves me a lot of hassle that way. Oh, and that story about helping a cop chase down a robber is absolutely ridiculous.  I know a lot of cops, and the last thing they want is some vigilante he-man trying to “help them.”  All this does is make the scene potentially more dangerous when some idiot tries to interfere in a situation that cops are specifically trained to handle. This guy is a joke!

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