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Cleaning out the toxins that aren’t even there

I’d like to thank reader Sara for sending me some links about the ongoing political hell that is the autism controversy.  It remains, to this day, something of a mystery as to why this disease, before all others really, brings in the woo-peddlers and causes so much political strife, but we don’t need to know the causes to know the effects—-families suffer from an overload of bullshit that’s ultimately not helpful, and could be harmful.  Anyway, the first link frustrated me to the point where I felt kind of helpless.  The article, at first read, makes it seem like using chelation to treat autism is, if not effective, at least a bit of harmless alternative medicine that may be helping. It gives aid and comfort to that most innocuous-seeming but deadly argument, “They’re not hurting anyone, so why not?”  Only 7 paragraphs in do you find out that chelation is possibly dangerous.

One of the drugs used for chelation, DMSA, can cause side effects including rashes and low white blood cell count. And there is evidence chelation may redistribute metals in the body, perhaps even into the central nervous system.

Chelation, for what it’s worth, is a real procedure used to detoxify people with heavy metals in their system.  The unproven-close-to-disproven theory is that autism is caused by mercury poisoning,* and from that, people extrapolate that chelation could be used to undo the effects of this supposed poisoning, which requires several steps of really unscientific thinking to get there.  It’s kind of a stunning example of how a little bullshit starts to grow and mature and turn into mega-level bullshit.  It has a weird internal logic to it, but there are just giant reasoning holes.  It would be funny, except that real life children are being subjected to these treatments, and real life parents are convincing themselves it’s working when it’s probably not.


This was beyond my reach, so I sent the link to Steven Novella, who wrote a piece on Science-Based Medicine explaining why researching chelation as an autism treatment was unethical in light of the improbability of its effectiveness.  Quoth Steven:

Medical research has always been ethically tricky - it requires giving humans experimental treatments with unknown benefits and risks. But over the last few decades (originally triggered by Nazi abuses) there has been evolving ethical standards for medical research. They include many principals, among them that any experimental treatment must be more likely to help the subjects of the study than to hurt them, prior research must show that the treatment is probably safe - or at least is not highly toxic or dangerous, and there must be a plausible belief that the treatment is likely to work. Further, study subjects must be given full informed consent, and regardless of the treatment being studied they must receive at least the minimal current standard of care. In other words, you cannot withhold proven therapies in order to study unproven ones.

For this reason many consider using chelation therapy for autism to be unethical. There is insufficient scientific justification to believe that it might work, at least not enough to justify the safety concerns. Subjecting children to a risky treatment that probably doesn’t work is certainly ethically dubious.

The post explains in further detail why the improbability of the treatment puts it in the “more likely to be dangerous than helpful” column.  Read the whole thing; he knows a lot more about the issues than me. 

There is no cure for autism.  However, early diagnosis and intensive treatment starting early can do a lot to improve outcomes. Sara also sent this interesting article from the LA Times about how genuinely effective treatments for autism are out of parents’ reach, because they don’t have insurance or because their insurance refuses to pay for it.  Yes, you read that right—-refuses to pay for effective treatments, which of course are time-consuming and expensive.  Be prepared to want to throw stuff around in fury.

Treatment is mainly behavioral training, teaching such skills as dressing. There is wide agreement that the sooner treatment begins, the more effective it is, and that early intervention pays off in the long run by developing self-reliance.

But it costs money—as much as $70,000 a year per child. The state spent $320 million last year, up from $50 million a decade earlier. Nationwide, the tab is $90 billion annually, a figure expected to double in a decade…..


Health plans say they cover medically necessary care. The problem, they say, is that parents ask for treatment that insurers deem experimental, or for basic skills training that has long been provided by state-funded regional centers and schools.

“What we’re concerned about is we’re seeing a shift of the state’s responsibilities over to the health plans,” said Chris Ohman, president of the California Assn. of Health Plans. “To just say ‘We need to have health plans cover all treatments’ could have unintended consequences.”

I highlighted that part to show how evil the insurance companies really are being in this case, because they know that even if you luck into a school district that has state-of-the-art educational facilities and superb staff for this kind of treatment, the schools don’t get them until they’re 4 or 5 years old, which means years of therapy is missed out on during the years that it matters the most.  I’m pretty much obliged to point out that if health care was covered by the state to begin with, then this battle wouldn’t be going on and many of these kids wouldn’t be slipping through the cracks. 

All this really shines a light, I think, onto why so many woo-based “causes” and worse, “cures” draw parents’ attention.  If people are denied access to real care because it’s so expensive, they’ll be a lot more prone to grab onto anything that promises to be helpful and is within their price range, no matter how wrong it is.  I honestly think this is one reason psychics can stay in business, because they’re scooping up people who need help but can’t afford real therapy.  Not to say that universal coverage would erase woo completely—-homeopathy seems to flourish in European countries that have national health services—-but I can’t help but think that some people who are substituting fake care for real care would choose differently if they could even have real care.

*If this weren’t deadly serious, and I were a betting woman, I’d put my money on genetic causes.  Of course, I have reasons to think this that are all research-y and not alternative medicine at all.

 

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Posted by Amanda Marcotte on 08:25 PM • (45) Comments

Don’t forget that the whole meme was deliberately catapulted by Robert F. Kennedy Jr., who is a prime real-life embodiment of the heartless sue-‘em ambulance chasing lawyer whore—the image that Edwards was falsely slandered with. His lying for publicity on this issue is as cheap and dishonorable as his NIMBYism concerning wind power in his neighbourhood.

Comment #1: sunsin  on  07/10  at  08:55 PM

Chelation is really only the tip of the iceburg when it comes to woo “cures” for autism since, although it’s somewhat risky, it’s not actively harming the kids. One of the things I heard of is chemical castration, on the theory that testosterone binds to the mercury or something, probably because more men have autism than women.

But I don’t blame the parents for not thinking clearly, since they are so desperate to do something to help their kid. It would be nice if everyone thought things through rationally, but that isn’t the world we live in. If everyone could get the therapy that does work, then probably a lot less people would be turning to woo. And of course the people who are promoting their patent medicine share some blame too, for taking advantage of those who are going through a rough time.

Comment #2: Max Polun  on  07/10  at  08:55 PM

It gives aid and comfort to that most innocuous-seeming but deadly argument, “They’re not hurting anyone, so why not?”

Well, to be fair, most people who use this argument are arguing in favor of things that really aren’t hurting anyone.  I mean, if you want to buy a Ouija board and use it every day to ask Jesus to cure your kid’s autism, go right ahead.  I think it’s crazy, and I think we both know it won’t actually work, but you’re not hurting anyone.  And, heck, it might make you feel better or enable you to concentrate on providing better care to the kid, so if a bunch of crazy woo is what you need to get the situation in gear, then by all means. 

But this?  This isn’t woo.  This is bad medicine.

Comment #3: The Opoponax  on  07/10  at  09:15 PM

Chelation is really only the tip of the iceburg when it comes to woo “cures” for autism since, although it’s somewhat risky, it’s not actively harming the kids.

Given that chelation deaths have occurred, it’s hard to argue that it’s not harming the kids who get it even if it doesn’t work.  Putting your child on a wheat-free/casein-free diet is much, much safer and would probably get the same (or better) results.

I think one of the big reasons why autism freaks parents out so much is that their child appeared to be developing normally and then seems to suddenly change for no reason that they can figure out.  Most of the time, if you look in the pediatricians’ records they spot the early warning signs, but to the parents it seems to have come out of nowhere.  That’s one of the reasons people are so fixated on external causes.

Personally, I lean towards genetics combined with environmental toxins, but I’m no scientist and have no way of proving it.

Comment #4: Mnemosyne  on  07/10  at  09:16 PM

Homeopathy is one of my pet woowoo hates. Little tiny bottles of fucking WATER, which, yes, is harmless up until you realise people are treating actual illnesses with little tiny bottles of fucking WATER. That the NHS runs actual homeopathic *hospitals* just enrages me. It’s fucking snake oil, and that anybody takes it seriously just fills me with despair.

Comment #5: Bella  on  07/10  at  09:21 PM

It’s kind of a stunning example of how a little bullshit starts to grow and mature and turn into mega-level bullshit.  It has a weird internal logic to it, but there are just giant reasoning holes.

I think it’s a perfect example of how a little information can be a lot more dangerous than total ignorance. If you are self-aware enough to know that you’re clueless on a subject, then you won’t try crazy stuff as often, because you’ll look for an authority on the subject. But convince yourself that you know a little something, and all of a sudden you’re a challenging the experts, and you get yourself in real trouble.

Comment #6: Incertus, Nacho Daddy  on  07/10  at  09:27 PM

sunsin?

Whiskey Tango Foxtrot?

Comment #7: Indy  on  07/10  at  09:29 PM

The insurance thing is even worse: it can cost upwards of $50K a year to care for someone with untreated autism (unless you just put them in a warehouse or on the street), but an insurance company can figure that they won’t still be holding the policy by then, or that the parentsl sibblings and relatives of an autistic child/teen/adult will do all the care themselves without pay. That way the insurance company gets to pay less, and everyone else gets to pay an order of magnitude more. Oh, and people who could be living interesting, useful and fulfilling lives get decades of misery instead.

Which is why national health plans that involve simply subsidizing people to buy insurance are incredibly stupid.

Comment #8: paul  on  07/10  at  10:58 PM

The reason chelation is often used is because lead poisoning in children mimics autism. It doesn’t take a whole lot of sucking on a lead-painted or -based toy made in China or elsewhere to really sicken a child. It’s a hope against hope that the child has something treatable.

Comment #9: mcd  on  07/10  at  11:05 PM

chelation is often used is because lead poisoning in children mimics autism.

Chelation is used to remove levels of lead in the blood well above the measurement threshold.

http://www.cdc.gov/nceh/lead/CaseManagement/caseManage_chap3.htm#Table 3.1.

Trying to remove heavy metals that cannot be detected in the bloodstream makes no sense.

Comment #10: Hector B.  on  07/10  at  11:22 PM

even if you luck into a school district that has state-of-the-art educational facilities and superb staff for this kind of treatment, the schools don’t get them until they’re 4 or 5 years old, which means years of therapy is missed out on during the years that it matters the most

My right-wing Republican kook friend’s youngest child is autistic. As soon as the diagnosis came down, they arranged for treatment from the local SF Bay Area school district. You have to push for it, but the schools have to supply it. They aren’t allowed to wait till the kid reaches some arbitrary age.

I don’t know why they’re picking on HMOs like Kaiser. Teaching kids how to respond and communicate is not typical health care—it’s special ed.

Comment #11: Hector B.  on  07/10  at  11:30 PM

Well, while I think the severest cases of autism are genuine, what about all these diagnoses of mild autism? Seems like we’re having a plague of mild autism and Aspergers. What’s the explaination? Overdiagnosis.

Comment #12: Bacopa  on  07/10  at  11:55 PM

It’s not overdiagnosis.  People with Asperger’s are very responsive to early intervention.  Don’t they deserve a chance to accumulate social skills they’ll need.  Even a mild amount of social retardation can be devastating to your future career possibilities, much less your social or sexual life.

Comment #13: Amanda Marcotte  on  07/10  at  11:58 PM

“Overdiagnosis” is not contemporaneously differentiable from “former underdiagnosis”.


My son has high-functioning autism, combined with something like ADHD or possibly tourette’s—he’s bright and cheerful and affectionate most of the time, but sometimes has serious impulsive antisocial behavior, extremely disruptive, sometimes even violent.  We’ve got it a lot better than a lot of people, but let me tell you, I know what it’s like to grasp at straws.  The thing is, sometimes he has good days, and sometimes he has bad days, and there’s a natural tendency to seek pattern in it.

B.F. Skinner did a famous experiment with pigeons, where he fed them at totally random times and observed their behavior.  If a pigeon happened to be cocking its head to the left when fed, it might think that that had caused the food to appear, and it would cock its head more often—increasing the probability that it would have its head cocked to the left the next time food appeared.  Over time, this would develop into a fully reinforced behavior pattern.  Meantime, another pigeon would learn an entirely different behavior for the exact same non-reason.  This is referred to as the “superstitious pigeons” experiment.

The parents of autistic kids (and I’m including myself here) have a really strong tendency to be superstitious pigeons.  He had a good day yesterday and a bad day today—what did we do differently?  Well, he had cereal for breakfast… no more cereal!  Pretty soon you’re running around the cage cocking your head to the left, flapping one wing and wiggling your tail, and he’s still having bad days.  You get desperate for someone to make it all make sense.  You’re wide open for quackery.

If autism have this bewildering random quality, I think the frauds would find it a lot harder to get a foothold.

Comment #14: Evan  on  07/11  at  12:14 AM

Amanda, it’s more suspicious than you think.

The NIH also launched a study to test chelation as a treatment for coronary artery disease a few years before they launched the autism study. The rationale for both studies was that since lots of people believed chelation to be effective for both of those things, the NIH might as well test it and have something on record, pro or con. Which would be fine, except that chelation is so darned dangerous. (The chelating agent they used in the heart-disease study, disodium EDTA, is even more dangerous than DMSA—- and is particularly dangerous to people with weak hearts!)

This article (linked through this healthcare blog, since the article itself requires registration) points out serious methodological and ethical flaws in the heart-disease study, and implies that the study was only done because of political pressure from alternative-medicine fanatics. One of the serious flaws was a lack of disclosure on the consent form of the risks of disodium EDTA, which the wording of the form conflated with another form of EDTA that had no special risks for heart patients. The article also alleges that many of the researchers involved with the study have serious ethical lapses (and some felonies) in their backgrounds. Not a well-done, ethical or sound study, and coming from the same agency doing the autism study around the same time and testing the same intervention.

On my blog I point out that the ethical problem of proper informed consent is even more acute in the case of the autism study, since the actual study participants are minors (ages 4 to 10, as per the study’s webpage) who cannot advocate for themselves, both because they’re minors and because, being autistic, they’re likely to be uncommunicative. So they depend on their parents to make a rational decision about whether to include them in this very risky procedure which is unlikely to do them any good, and we’ve established upthread how unlikely such a rational decision is to be made in these circumstances.

Comment #15: Lindsay  on  07/11  at  12:40 AM

Hector B’s right about the school thing. If a child with autism gets a diagnosis before they start official school, many (all?) districts have special ed preschool programs, so they don’t have to wait until they’re 4 or 5 to get services.

Bacopa, I don’t think the increase in cases is simply overdiagnosis. I think there are several factors there:

1. A widening of the autism spectrum, which allows children who have milder cases to still be diagnosed. This is important when it comes to things like getting accommodation in school or getting a spot at special ed preschool.
2. More awareness about autism. 20 years ago, most teachers and parents wouldn’t have known what autism was. Now, people have a better idea, so everyone’s more on the lookout. So kids who before may have been written off as “weird” now actually get identified and helped. There’s also a snowball effect here: the more kids you get diagnosed, the more everyone knows what to look for and how to talk about it. If all you can say is that a child is acting weird, that could mean a lot of things. But if you know to say that a child is exhibiting repetitive, anti-social, or obsessive behavior, everybody’s on the same page, and that makes diagnosis (and getting help!) easier.

People who try to push these crazy claims for curing autism really make me mad. I feel for the parents of the kids who have it (and the kids themselves), and I do think desperation for their kids to have more normal lives explains why the quacks have gained a foothold, but the quacks themselves make me crazy.

Comment #16: PJ  on  07/11  at  12:52 AM

Evan, thank you for that great superstitious pigeon description!

Comment #17: PJ  on  07/11  at  12:57 AM

Bacopa, autism is less likely to be overdiagnosed than it is to have been underdiagnosed in the past.  My brother was 22 year old before he was appropriately (and treatably) diagnosed as having Aspergers.  Before that he was “a problem child”, “hyperactive”, “socially inept” etc.

Furthermore, there is some research evidence which points to the way genes are expressed, and how those genes are triggered or confounded by exogenous environmental exposures.  There is some critical thinking among scientists that we may be facing the combination of a latent genetic susceptibility to a recently encountered environmental exposure creating a marked increase in incidence of autism.

Heavy metals are known neurotoxins, but they are also easily identified and tested for. If there is to be a search for an association between environmental exposure and autism, it needs to be far more systematic and account for the pattern of brain development seen in autistic children.  Given available evidence, it should start with possible maternal exposures that were not known prior to the beginning of the increase in cases, cross the placenta and have the potential to mimic or impede or amplify gene expression.  Unfortunately, that is a very big list and will take some time to sift through in a systematic manner.

Frustrating to the pigeons, no doubt!

Comment #18: Ms Kate  on  07/11  at  01:50 AM

I don’t think its the vaccines we give kids, but the amount we give them in the time period we give them. I had to get 5 shots at once so I could attend college, and that gave me a fever. Now think about that many shots in the body of a baby. Autism could be caused by multiple adverse reactions to vaccinations.

Comment #19: lemur  on  07/11  at  02:34 AM

Lemur, not likely.

Autistic children have been found to have head growth differences starting at birth - this was addressed in an earlier thread.  MRI of autistic kids shows that brain size and head size are larger due to additional white matter.  This indicates issues starting before birth - in other words, too early for vaccines to be causal.

Comment #20: Ms Kate  on  07/11  at  02:51 AM

Long time lurker de-lurking.

“Well, while I think the severest cases of autism are genuine, what about all these diagnoses of mild autism? Seems like we’re having a plague of mild autism and Aspergers. What’s the explaination? Overdiagnosis”

I’m autistic, but I think “shut the fuck up you asshole” is the appropriate response in this situation.

I think it’s real cute, as in that I don’t think that it is, that people, mainly privileged NTs, think they have some justifiable right to question another human being’s fundamental state of being if it pertains to mental disability and more broadly mental illness.

“I don’t think its the vaccines we give kids, but the amount we give them in the time period we give them. I had to get 5 shots at once so I could attend college, and that gave me a fever. Now think about that many shots in the body of a baby. Autism could be caused by multiple adverse reactions to vaccinations.”

I’m not a scientist, I’m an artist actually, but I think their is a scientific method of testing your hypothesis.

Fever is a response of ones immune system, the immune system is what a vaccine is trying to get a response from, so if fever and other reactions by the immune system cause autism, then people who had severe illnesses and especially fevers as infants and young children should also be more likely to be autistic then those who did not. Find the link to make your theory.

And if you don’t find the link, then can we all please drop the whole “vaccines cause autism” thing and stop talking about your fellow human beings like they’re damaged goods?

Comment #21: r.t.  on  07/11  at  03:18 AM

And if people really care, this site might be worth reading: http://photoninthedarkness.com/

Comment #22: r.t.  on  07/11  at  03:27 AM

Chelation is super-dangerous if you’re not already suffering from heavy metal poisoning. Chelating agents like disodium EDTA bind preferentially to heavier metals, but if there aren’t any available, they basically work their way back up the periodic table, grabbing whatever calcium and lighter metals they can get their claws on.

Including the calcium ions that are crucial to keep your heart beating, for instance. That’s usually how people die from “chelation therapy.”

Comment #23: Chet  on  07/11  at  04:43 AM

r.t., well said.

My child is very autistic. He is not damaged, or toxic. He didn’t have too many vaccines, or have them too closely together. I mean, what possible scientific explanation could there be for this hypothesis?

Amanda countered the flawed argument of overdiagnosis, which I appreciate. But then followed up with, “Even a mild amount of social retardation can be devastating to your future career possibilities, much less your social or sexual life.”

This shows strong prejudice against a different type of person. I don’t think my son’s future will be devastated by his autism and learning difficulties. He will have a different trajectory to that of a non-autistic person probably, but that doesn’t make it any less valid. There are plenty of autistic and learning disabled people living good lives, enjoying jobs, friends and relationships. Try saying that sentence again, but substitute words for skin colour and sexuality in place of “social retardation” and see how it looks.

Comment #24: Sharon  on  07/11  at  05:03 AM

Flying monkey squad invasion in 3….. 2…... 1…....

Autism could be caused by multiple adverse reactions to vaccinations.

Generally speaking, one attempts to base a hypothesis on evidence. What evidence is there to support this hypothesis?

Comment #25: Dunc  on  07/11  at  06:21 AM

What evidence is there to support this hypothesis?

People think, what the hell are infants/toddlers exposed to these days, that could make them develop autism, thinking that 40-50 years ago, the incidence of autism was much lower. Kids do get a bunch of vaccinations all at once, but so they did a generation or two ago. If I were to pluck a random candidate out of the air, I would pick plastic baby bottles with bisphenol-A, because baby boomer baby bottles were glass. But, if Ms. Kate is correct (and I have no reason to doubt her), the answer is “Nothing.” I’m assuming some case-control studies have been done for autism, to try to identify any differences between autistic children and not.

This reminds me of when Sudden Infant Death Syndrome was first in the news. The prospect of it happening to your kid was so frightening, that parents started randomly doing a bunch of things on a “who knows, but at least it couldn’t hurt” basis.

Comment #26: Hector B.  on  07/11  at  07:26 AM

Chet has it right…some basic physiology/cell biology knowledge that you’d get out of 1 or 2 college science courses would tell you that chelation therapy is a fucking dangerous idea.  I understand the fear that can come from not knowing why a disease occurs and the anxiety that a parent would have for a child, but this voodoo “science” of blaming vaccinations and experimenting with dodgy therapies on your own kids is not the answer.

Comment #27: Kaija  on  07/11  at  08:58 AM

Autistic children have been found to have head growth differences starting at birth

It seems to me that the recent increase in autism might have quite a bit to do with modern medical advances.

Pre-modern medicine, even a slight increase in head size would probably have a significant impact on the likelihood of the mother and/or child surviving birth, right? At least in terms of broad population, which is what we’re talking about here. It may be that this is the first time large numbers of autistic children are living long enough to be recognized as such. It may also be that there’s a genetic component that is only now having a chance to show itself, since it would take a few generations for a pattern to emerge.

Comment #28: rhiain  on  07/11  at  09:16 AM

Amanda: homeopathy seems to flourish in European countries that have national health services

National health care does not cure all of medicine’s problems.

Many people distrust of medicine, and medicine has done it’s part to deserve it. Arrogance, overmedicalization, overreliance on impressive machines, doctors disregarding anything that happend after they did their exams…

Some people who end up at the homoepath’s practise do so because they have been to ten doctors of which six demanded they lose weight before they even get diagnosed, five used words the patient didn’t understand, four listened to them for less than a minute, three were condescending, two recommended an expensive treatment not covered by insurance which after some reseach turned out to be snake oil, and none could actually help them with their condition. Of course, doctors also prescripe homoepathic whatevers—I suspect because they want to be seen doing something but have no idea what.

Though I have to say I was extremely suprised that the ghosts of molecules gone managed to taste of cat vomit.

Comment #29: inge  on  07/11  at  09:21 AM

This shows strong prejudice against a different type of person. I don’t think my son’s future will be devastated by his autism and learning difficulties. He will have a different trajectory to that of a non-autistic person probably, but that doesn’t make it any less valid. There are plenty of autistic and learning disabled people living good lives, enjoying jobs, friends and relationships. Try saying that sentence again, but substitute words for skin colour and sexuality in place of “social retardation” and see how it looks.

No, it shows a strong comprehension of the reality of the situation.

There are many autistic people who have great lives, good jobs, friends and relationships. There are also many autistic people who will be utterly screwed when their parents die because they can’t take care of themselves. To say that noticing that a disability in handling social cues can cause serious problems for a person as an adult is equivalent to *racism* is ridiculous.

Remember, the treatments that exist for autism are basically all special education, teach the kid to function in the real world type treatments. So it’s not like there’s a cure for autism or a magic pill that can make Aspies into NTs. There are coping strategies that can help a child who is not neurotypical learn to fit in and make their way in a world created for and managed by NTs, and *that* is the kind of treatment Amanda is talking about wanting to see autistic people get.

I have a cousin with Asperger’s. He’ll probably go on to have a very successful life because his investment banker intellectual mom quit her job when he was diagnosed as an infant and has spent the past 12 years investing *all* her considerable resources in helping him, advocating for him, and working with him to teach him. Wow, wouldn’t it be nice if every kid with autism or Asperger’s had a very intelligent mother with considerable savings in the bank and a dad with a high-powered job so he or she can afford to live in the best school districts and get the best care? But that is not reality. The amount of work my aunt has been able to do and the amount of money she has been able to invest in my cousin is a function of her being highly privileged, and that’s why my cousin is going to be able to overcome his Asperger’s and do very well in life. Those resources may be available to your child too. But they’re *not* available to every kid with these problems, and that *is* the problem.

As long as your success in life is pretty much dependent on “is my family rich, and will we still be rich if my mom quits her job to advocate for me and teach me full-time”, you are not in the same place as people of color or people who are not heterosexual. I believe that people with Asperger’s and autism can have great lives, but the barriers they must overcome to do so are *much* higher than the barriers NTs have to face. That’s just a reality. The sooner they get education and training that will help them to overcome those barriers, the better off they will be.

Hell, *I* have had serious trouble in my life overcoming my social retardation, and technically, I am considered NT. I can’t recognize faces, didn’t grasp the purpose to saying “please” and “thank you” until I was 30, and socialize much more comfortably over the internet than in person; but because I am an avid reader of fiction, had good grades in school and my tics are all about things like biting my fingers rather than flapping my hands, no one would ever diagnose me as anything other than NT, and yet *I* had trouble. Someone with more serious social difficulties than I will have more serious problems, and it’s wrong to say that it’s *prejudice* to say so.

Comment #30: Alara Rogers  on  07/11  at  11:00 AM

sunsin?

Whiskey Tango Foxtrot?

Look up Kennedy’s article for Rolling Stone if you have time. Pure self-serving bullshit on the “mercury causes autism” meme. As I said, the man’s the sort of fraud the Republican attack machine tried to make Edwards out to be.

Comment #31: sunsin  on  07/11  at  01:00 PM

Amusingly, Harvard just announced the results of a study on autism where they have come to several conclusions: first, it’s genetic.  So no vaccination cause.  Second, “autism” is a proving to be a label for a condition rather than a description of the reason for the condition itself.  It’s like saying someone is “paralyzed”.  There are many reasons why someone might be paralyzed, and not all of them have the same cause.  In this case, different genetic mash-ups result in similar abnormal brain function.

Third, because there isn’t a set genetic marker, you can’t predict if autism will result.  It’s almost as if every case of autism is unique in its genetic cause.

Fourth, and most importantly, their research indicates the problem is in forming synaptic connections in the brain: autistic children’s brains don’t function properly doing the critical 1 to 2 year old stage.  However, in many cases, they aren’t missing the capability, it just isn’t switched on properly.  Intensive early intervention and therapy can help some kids because the child’s brain is plastic enough that it can find ways of bypassing that problem, forcing the brain to do what it would otherwise do naturally.  The unfortunate thing is, however, that it won’t work for all kids, again because the condition is a spectrum with no single unique cause.  There’s a good chance gene therapy will be able to help others by artificially activating the genes that aren’t working, but that’s down the road.

Comment #32: KeithM  on  07/11  at  01:17 PM

Alara, if Amanda had written “a disability in handling social cues can cause serious problems for a person as an adult” I would have agreed. That disabled people have difficulties and face prejudice is obvious. But instead she wrote, “Even a mild amount of social retardation can be devastating to your future career possibilities, much less your social or sexual life.”

It may seem to be nit picking, but I am fed up hearing autism described as devastating. Some of us even use an expression when discussing this talk, “devastation rhetoric.”

Moreover, even the most disabled adults are being let down when they are not helped to be as independent as possible long before their parents die. They must be helped to use any means possible to communicate and self advocate, and even if this is done in non standard ways.

It’s nice that your cousin got on well. But it’s not true that all autistic people need to have a fortune of money spent on them. Most of the happy, but still struggling with various aspects of life autistic adults I know, did not grow up rich and with loads of specialised therapy. In fact, some people who as children were put into intensive behavioural programmes to make them “fit into the NT world” have had PTSD. They recognise that an education which focused on making them the best autistic people they could be would have been much more useful.

I don’t spend any more on my autistic son than on his siblings. They are home-educated for a variety of reasons, but he does not have, and never has had any private therapy, either educational or medical. I’ve just helped him to learn using his interests and he’s doing well.

My children are mixed race too so as well as bringing them up to be sensitive to the differences in people’s physical and mental abilities, they are more aware than most (in our country) of racial and cultural differences.

It’s not prejudice to say that an individual has difficulties with some things. But one reason why so many people with disabilities do not meet their potential, is more to do with outside forces than the individual.

Comment #33: Sharon  on  07/11  at  01:19 PM

Autism is not a disease—it’s a (probably genetic) condition or variation. If someone from a completely different culture came to stay with you, would you call it “treatment” of their “disease” to give them lessons in your language & culture and advice on how to manage their culture shock? Would you call them “socially retarded” because they didn’t know the rules of YOUR culture? I hope not.

This is basically what it’s like to be autistic. Each of us has our own world and rules and culture. When we try to interact with other people, we’re in a foreign culture; the words and moves don’t come automatically to us the way they do to the locals. We may know the dictionary definitions of words, but not the common usages and variant meanings; people may talk too fast for us to understand, and even the sounds and sights and smells of the scenery distract us because we haven’t learned to ignore them.

I’m not saying it doesn’t create huge difficulties, but it also has quite a few benefits. It’s important to distinguish between diseases and conditions because the way the autistic person and their service providers (if any) conceptualize autism directly affects the actions they take. People who think autism is a disease or an epidemic tend to favor either snake oil “cures” like chelation or training models that attempt to erase or suppress autistic behaviours; people who who think it’s a genetic condition or variation tend to favor not only training but interpretation and coping strategies. Possibly mostly importantly, people who think autism is a disease rarely grant autistics full adult humanity: they speak of us as empty shells or changelings, they ignore the existence of autistic adults, they deny the autism of adults who question them, they exclude autistics from their “autism” organizations, and they encourage the public to think of autistics as drooling, retarded, self-destructive, emotionless children. What is the result? People TREAT us like retarded children, unless they can’t tell we’re autistic…in which case they deny that we could possibly have any legitimate problems.

Comment #34: Jessie  on  07/11  at  01:39 PM

Autism is not a disease—it’s a (probably genetic) condition or variation.

Genetic diseases are still diseases. I understand the motivation to not want to have a disease, but there’s no merit in trying to accomplish that by playing a word-game about what “disease” means. Autism is pathologized because it’s a pathology.

Comment #35: Chet  on  07/11  at  03:36 PM

Genetic diseases are still diseases. I understand the motivation to not want to have a disease, but there’s no merit in trying to accomplish that by playing a word-game about what “disease” means. Autism is pathologized because it’s a pathology.

I think Jessie’s argument is that calling it a “disease” includes the implication that there’s a cure if the parents just look hard enough.  To use another example, cerebral palsy is a disorder, not a disease, because it can be caused by multiple factors, including disease (like an infection).

Comment #36: Mnemosyne  on  07/11  at  04:08 PM

Chet, what makes autism a genetic disease and not a genetic condition in your mind?  Especially given that it can apparently have many causes, and manifest in a wide variety of ways, and that for many autistic individuals it conveys advantages as well as disadvantages, I’m uncomfortable with automatically labeling autism a disease.

There are many genetic and genetically-influenced conditions which are not entirely neutral or helpful to the individual, and which we don’t pathologize.

Comment #37: Mel  on  07/11  at  04:21 PM

Autism is pathologized because it’s a pathology.

Left-handedness was pathologized for a long time too.  But was it a pathology?  Or were people just a little too wedded to the idea of “normal”?

Comment #38: Evan  on  07/11  at  04:28 PM

Chet, what makes autism a genetic disease and not a genetic condition in your mind?

When it constitutes a considerable barrier to normal function in the individuals who suffer from it.

Like the way being a paraplegic is a handicap, and not simply normal human variation in the degree of functioning legs.

There are many genetic and genetically-influenced conditions which are not entirely neutral or helpful to the individual, and which we don’t pathologize.

I agree, and I recognize that “normal” is socially constructed, but come on. There’s a point where it gets ridiculous, don’t you think? Are people with AIDS simply experiencing normal variation in white cell counts and HIV virus load? Are people with cancer experiencing normal variations in cell growth? Are people with nearsighted vision, like myself, experiencing normal variation in visual acuity? Are people with phenylketonuria simply experiencing normal variation in the ability to metabolize phenylalanine?

Or, more reasonably, do we have physical ailments that represent obstacles to normal function? I’m not going to be able to stop wearing glasses simply because I redefine myopia as “normal.” Define deviancy down, and call phenylketonruics “normal”, but they’re still going to kill themselves if they have a Diet Coke.

Comment #39: Chet  on  07/11  at  06:29 PM

Are people with AIDS simply experiencing normal variation in white cell counts and HIV virus load? Are people with cancer experiencing normal variations in cell growth?

See, here’s the problem:

People with AIDS and/or cancer start off with healthy bodies, and then an outside agent comes along and makes them sick.  As far as we know, that’s not what happens with people with autism.  That’s why calling it a “disease” is inaccurate, and calling it that might make people think that all they need to do is clear up the “disease” with drugs/chelation and their kid will be normal again.

If you’re nearsighted because you got a nasty eye infection and the nearsightedness clears up with antibiotic eye drops, you can call it a disease.  If you’re nearsighted because your parents were nearsighted, it’s a disorder, not a disease.  Does that make sense?

Comment #40: Mnemosyne  on  07/11  at  06:49 PM

At least one child has died while undergoing chelation to “treat” his autism.

Orac’s blog, Respectful Insolence, covers events like that.

Comment #41: Samantha Vimes  on  07/11  at  07:19 PM

See, here’s the problem:

See above, where I mentioned phenylketonurics. Their bodies are doing exactly what they were born to do - fail to produce phenylalanine hydroxylase. But we rightly recognize that as a pathology.

There is such a thing as genetic disease, Mnem; PKU is one such, and autism is apparently another. They’re not just “conditions”, they’re diseases, and the disease vector is not a virus or a toxin but your own chromosomes.

it’s a disorder, not a disease.

You’re trying to draw a distinction between two words that are synonyms. Jessie would have us believe that autism is neither disease nor disorder - I’m comfortable with either term - just normal human variation.

Sorry, but autism is not normal in any reasonable sense of the word.

Comment #42: Chet  on  07/11  at  07:23 PM

You’re trying to draw a distinction between two words that are synonyms.

As I said, the only reason “disease” bothers me is that it implies a cure.  For something as wide-ranging as autism or cerebral palsy, there’s never going to be a “cure” as such because what’s being described is a constellation of issues that can fall anywhere between mild Asperger’s and severe autism where the person is completely unable to communicate.  All there’s going to be is ways to alleviate the severity of those symptoms and ways to adapt to the specific issues as they manifest.

I can see that someday there might be a gene therapy that cures phenylketonuria by fixing that defective part of the gene.  All indications are that there is not going to be a cure like that for autism, because it covers too wide a range of issues.

I don’t know if that’s where Jessie was trying to go with it, but that’s where I was going when I try to differentiate between “disease” and “disorder.”  It is splitting hairs, I admit, but welcome to English, where you have many words with similar meanings that don’t mean the exact same thing.  I’m just in a hair-splitting mood today.  wink

Comment #43: Mnemosyne  on  07/11  at  08:03 PM

As I said, the only reason “disease” bothers me is that it implies a cure.

Autism is bad enough that people will always be looking for a cure, no matter what you call it.

Comment #44: Chet  on  07/11  at  08:58 PM

Evan, that was an excellent comment. “Skinner pigeons” is a really superb way to describe parents of autistic children. My husband and I have tried everything under the sun and spent all our money because insurance wouldn’t cover my son’s early intervention education, and we’ll probably keep doing it.

As an aside, we started looking into private schools designed for children on the autism spectrum. The annual tuition at these schools is almost as expensive as a year at Harvard. We stopped looking.

Comment #45: flea  on  07/11  at  10:51 PM
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