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CNN does Black in America 101

Race

(I’m at Blogging While Brown in Atlanta this weekend. I’m sure we’ll discuss this multimedia effort by CNN…)


I was looking forward to the two-part, six-hour CNN special Black in America. The premiere this week (it re-airs over the weekend) was disappointing, but not unexpectedly so. What I mean is that it felt like Black People 101 for the “general audience,” i.e. people who may have little or no first-hand exposure to blacks in this country. What it delivered in those six hours was a pretty superficial regrazing of territory that focused way too much on the urban black community and the socioeconomic woes in segments of black America. I was looking for more “advanced studies.”

There was acknowledgment of the plight of incarceration of the black man and the unequal treatment in the criminal justice system, the lack of black men who are considered “marriage material” for black women because of underemployment, incarceration and discrimination, the impact of crack, HIV/AIDS, unequal access to quality education, black misogyny in rap—all of these have been covered in one way or another before in the MSM. That’s all well and good, but there was ample opportunity to explore areas that were undercovered or curiously touched upon then abandoned.

* the growing black middle class;
* the internal politics and tension over the definition of “black culture” within the community, including the “acting white” phenomenon;
* the generational divide in terms of political outlook;
* the digital divide and its impact, as well as the black digiterati and new activism;
* colorism and how it still holds sway in elements of the community;
* what it is like to be black and gay in America
* what is “black” in America today.

On the CNN web site, host of the series, Soledad O’Brien, who is biracial, discussed a frustrating exchange with a reporter about that last point.

I’m on the phone with a confused reporter, and I’m confused too. She keeps asking me why I “count myself as black… And why does Barack Obama?” My answer (for Sen. Obama, at least) is “have you seen him?” But she won’t let it go. “Is your father annoyed that you deny him?” My dad is white. I interject. “Let’s conference him in,” I say. “Listen, he married a black woman, he has six black children. He’d be the first person to tell you I’m black.”

The questions, to me, reveal more about the asker. This (white) reporter surely doesn’t know a lot of black people, or she wouldn’t be struggling so hard. She’d know black people come in all hues.

Unlike O’Brien, I’m not biracial, but the product of parents who have families that “come in all hues”—and we all identify as black.




More below the fold.
Acknowledging up front that race is a social construct and putting that aside for the moment, dealing with what it means to be black in America in my mind means taking a deeper look at what the expectation of being black is, not simply whether your appearance alone is the sole arbiter of how you are labeled. Because of the increasingly blurry color line, it’s not only the dominant culture that seems to be having difficulties with the various hues and identities. Even within the black community there can be contentious discussion surrounding authentic blackness - that has little to do with how you look, and everything to do with how you culturally identify.

I find it perplexing to hear in some circles that Barack Obama has to prove his blackness, not only in association, but in his fealty to a particular kind of American black culture that has evolved due to the influence of the descendents of west African slaves. If that isn’t his experience, why must he represent that?  The same could be said of Caribbean black Americans, whose heritage and culture are in many ways differs from the “norm” (my maternal grandfather, for instance, was from Barbados, my paternal side of the family includes descendants of slaves). Does that make me more or less black?

Why is a specific kind of authenticity necessary to be seen as “black” for some in the community? What about socioeconomic status, or education? What role do they play? One can argue that the black support for Clarence Thomas during his SCOTUS confirmation process based on his race alone certainly didn’t serve the interests of most black people in America, even though he was raised in the South, and had a culturally “traditional” black background. It seems rather superficial not to take a more expanded view and assessment of a person than the mere measure of hue or culture.

These are simply questions of course, not a declaration of support or dissent of a point of view. It would have been engaging to see people wrestling with these topics in the CNN special.  It should be noted that there have been panel discussions preceding the debut of the showcase primetime specials, and post-broadcast analysis with live audiences and guests on AC360; some of these topics came up but if you tuned into the specials, which were divided into “The Black Woman and Family” and “The Black Man,” both were weak, IMHO.

One topic discussed in great detail was the impact of AIDS on the black community - with the explosive tragic increase in transmission in heterosexual black women. This incredibly complex and controversial topic, which involves bringing up religion, man-on-man sex during incarceration (as opposed to homosexuality, since these men do not identify as gay), the resistance and low self-esteem of some women to protect themselves because of their desperate desire to hold on to a man whether he is cheating or not, the list goes on and on. The man-on-man sex and the tragic denial and pathology it leads to simply wasn’t given any time. Maybe that’s a good thing in hindsight, because I fear it would be handled poorly, with the further demonization of black men without any context about what is behind the denial. More below the fold.

I happened to catch one of the panels earlier in the week (prior to “the main event”) featuring Dr. Julianne Malveaux, actress Sheryl Lee Ralph, and megachurch pastor T.D. Jakes, and the conversation there got within a hair of being truly frank about AIDS, as they urged pastors to speak frankly to their congregations about sex. Rev. Jakes was asked a question from host Soledad O’Brien about the dilemma pastors face in preaching abstinence outside of marriage even he or she is aware HIV is spreading through church membership. He responded with a nugget of sanity that should give the virulently homophobic pastors pause as they spew hate from the pulpit - they must preach the ideal, but also acknowledge that the faithful can and do fall short of that ideal. Reality check.

Other than that one beacon of truth, most of the commentary that I caught wasn’t particularly enlightening or groundbreaking.  I do urge people to visit the much more comprehensive CNN web site on Black in America, because, unlike the program, it is chock full of reports, videos, a wide range of editorials and thought pieces that cover a much wider range of topics. One recommended feature is Shopping While Black. I can identify with this one, as I’ve been followed in stores as if I was a shoplifter on the prowl. Leah Wells of Atlanta, described the incident to Soledad O’Brien.

“We were dressed professionally,” Wells told me. “It was casual Friday. We had on dresses and casual office wear. We were racially profiled. It was as simple as that.”

At about 1:15 p.m., mall security contacted Gwinnett County police saying there was a group involved in shoplifting. The police department says four officers arrived at the mall about 10 minutes later, and security pointed out Wells and her two friends as they walked away from the Old Navy store. Old Navy is owned by GAP. The officers asked the three to return to the store.

Wells says six officers were involved, not four, and that she and her friends were detained for “about an hour and a half”; the police say it was 29 minutes. In her letter to Murphy, the GAP CEO, Wells describes enduring “disdainful stares from the mothers and grandmothers and children entering the store.”

Police found no stolen merchandise on Wells or her friends. But Wells says neither the police nor the store managers bothered to apologize.

...“No matter your education, your status or profession, some still only see the color of your skin,” Wells wrote two months after the event.

A lot of us know exactly what you’re talking about. Shopping while black, hailing a cab while black, and even driving in your own neighborhood while black, which was covered in the primetime special when a school system superintendent in Arkansas was stopped by police when white neighbors saw him driving in his subdivision where he was building a house because his presence there was suspicious.

So, I wouldn’t say pass on the specials; it’s certainly a stab in the right direction—it beats invisibility. And as I mentioned, the CNN web site, which includes a discussion guide for parents and teachers, as well as I-Reports and feedback from viewers about what they’ve read and seen, provide the kind of depth that cannot fit into a TV special.

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Posted by Pam Spaulding on 08:00 AM • (34) Comments

Comment, comment please…

Don’t let this become an orphan post because people are reluctant to share their views. smile

Comment #1: Pam Spaulding  on  07/26  at  08:39 AM

This is a great post - I’d attribute the slow comment rate to it being very early Saturday morning, even on the east coast, still.

My thought is this - this is CNN (ha), does their normal audience really have any background to succeed at anything higher than Black People 101?  They’re fed a steady diet of gossip and Schiavo.

Comment #2: Mikey  on  07/26  at  09:15 AM

One of the small things about being black that I find is almost never covered is how shopping while black also transfers over to what people actively try to sell you.  I’ve been in cellphone stores more than once where a clerk attempted to sell me a pay as you go plan, notoriously popular in inner city neighborhoods.  This, of course, despite walking in with a Blackberry.

Comment #3: Jesse Taylor  on  07/26  at  09:16 AM

I’m increasingly of the opinion that religiosity, particularly of the heavy-handed, intolerant variety, is the product of a stressed community.  People who feel that all their hard work won’t come to squat—-or suffer various other ills that are outside of their control—-are vulnerable to religious charlatans selling easy answers.  Or scapegoats to express anger on, like gay people.  And these charlatans put special focus on the idea that old-fashioned gender roles will help people.  I think that’s why there’s the famous high correlation between religiosity in the red states and high crime, divorce rates, STD and unplanned pregnancy rates, etc.  A lot of people are in economically downtrodden areas, which is why the high rates of unpleasant things.  Frustration with the distress on the community gives preachers an in to push their beliefs about how these problems of disease and divorce can be addressed by embracing patriarchal values, because the real source of the problem is far too big to make most people do much but despair. 

The virulent homophobia you mention seems to be part of this bigger picture.  Unfortunately, the problem seems intractable.  We can guilt people out of their chosen scapegoat, but they’ll often just move onto another.

Comment #4: Amanda Marcotte  on  07/26  at  10:23 AM

Jesse, do you think that’s a management issue or just subconscious prejudice?

Comment #5: Amanda Marcotte  on  07/26  at  10:24 AM

The other week, a local radio drivetime show here in Atlanta was talking about the recent n-word controversy on The View (where Elizabeth Hasselbeck was driven to tears by the fact that Whoopi Goldberg wouldn’t lose the argument to her).

The three white hosts tended to agree with Hasselbeck that if white people couldn’t use the n-word, no one should (okay, that’s a snarky rephrasing of her argument, but still) and found Goldberg’s contention that we live in different worlds ludicrous, and they seemed offended by it. A black female caller disagreed, saying that there are different worlds out there, saying that the hosts didn’t get followed around at stores like she did. So what does the main male white host do but tell her that he finds it hard to believe that she gets followed at stores? I wonder if he saw this story a few days later. Anyway, the other white male host talks about the fact that he grew up white in Hawaii and was made fun of by native Hawaiians, evidently trying to score some victim points.

Oh Lord, it was embarrassing.

Comment #6: annejumps  on  07/26  at  10:39 AM

The whole concept of “proving one’s blackness” or any other demand for ‘cultural authenticity’ seems to be to be a belittling of individual experience.  I don’t know what to call it, but it sure doesn’t seem to be a better thing than racism, sexism, or any other shallow approach to people. 

Thanks for a very interesting post!

Comment #7: Misti  on  07/26  at  10:54 AM

My thought is this - this is CNN (ha), does their normal audience really have any background to succeed at anything higher than Black People 101?

I had this thought as well—I think that once upon a time CNN actually provided news, but not so much anymore.  I guess Black People 101 is better than nothing… right?  Right?  (please tell me this is true.)

Also, that baby in the second row of photos is really, really cute… though I don’t think I’ve ever seen a smirk on the face of a child so young!

Comment #8: LauraB  on  07/26  at  10:59 AM

I’m sorry I missed it—at least its an opening for white people to start to talk about blackness and the black experience, even though it sounds abysmal.  We live an incredibly segregated life, in this country—segregated by class as well as by race but the country is in denial of it, and in ignorance of it.  Its going to take a lot for white people to look outside their gated communities, or their segregated suburbs, or their class based community events and relations to grasp that they don’t actually know everything there is to be known about other people’s circumstances and history and experience. Look, men live *right alongside* women and have almost zero comprehension about what its like to be female.  The white guy he “just doesn’t believe” that black women get followed around in stores because they are assumed to be shoplifters? He also “just doesn’t believe” how many times his girlfriend/wife/daughter gets sexually harrassed just walking down the street.  He’s not in the business of noticing other people’s lives.

aimai

Comment #9: AIMAI  on  07/26  at  11:15 AM

I can’t believe that anyone would criticize a person of mixed race parentage for identifying as a person of color rather than white.  Talk about blaming the victim. 

Our racial culture expects us to label ourselves with one primary racial identity and people like Barack Obama and Soledad Obrien would be laughed at if they tried to call themselves primarily white.  But somehow white people who have never had to think for one minute about anything like balancing two cultural or racial identities have the gall to talk about it like they know anything at all.

And to ask “is your father annoyed that you deny him?”  What dumbassery.  Any white American who has children with a person or color knows going into the relationship that the resultant children will be considered people of color as well.  If it was important to you that your children have the same racial identification as you, you wouldn’t choose a partner of a different race.

I am white and my husband is Kenyan from the same tribe as Barack Obama.  The combonation of our genetics and American culture mean that our kids are gonna be black.  That is basically a result of my choices, made with full knowledge of how racial identity works in this country.  It would be really dumb to turn around and be offended later on when my kids call themselves black rather than white.

Comment #10: GumbyAnne  on  07/26  at  11:19 AM

I tried to communicate this to my smart-enough and well-intentioned enough younger brother one time (not the redneck one, the good one, which tells you what my family is like: this is the good brother): what my black students have to put up with every day, which he has no concept of.  He said, well, when I go into a gas station and there are only black people there (he lives in Atlanta), I get looked at, too.  He honestly thought that was the same thing.

Unfortunately, it was an email exchange, so I couldn’t pound his head against the wall.

Comment #11: delagar  on  07/26  at  11:28 AM

baby in the second row of photos is really, really cute

That’s my little nephew E. smile

Black People 101 is better than nothing… right?

I do think it is better than nothing, don’t get me wrong, it’s just that the small slice shown in the highly promoted two-part primetime portion really didn’t break ground as promised. The CNN web site succeeds by far on this front by providing depth, however it won’t receive the eyeballs the specials did.

Comment #12: Pam Spaulding  on  07/26  at  11:32 AM

The head of my department (IT) at work (who has also been my de facto direct supervisor despite holding a VP-level position) is a very well educated, very experienced black man.  I’ve worked with him and for him for the last 5-years or so.

We were talking about cell phone use while driving (California now requires hands-free or no cell) that led him to mention the last time he was stopped for a traffic ticket.  He had been so caught up in a cell conversation he was having he ran a stop sign he hadn’t noticed.

When I think of him, being black is just another trait, like having blond hair, a beard, or being in IT.  But when he related his incident, I remembered other discussions I’ve had with black friends and coworkers, where being black becomes some kind of license for all kinds of nasty behavior towards them based on racist assumptions about them because of being black.

I suddenly had one of those little glimpses we sometimes get into other people’s lives when it occurred to me that as a black man, his experience with a cop might not have been the same as mine.  And it kind of shook me , remembering stories of DWB, gratuitous taserings, arbitrary arrests, “mysterious” deaths, etc.

Some random cop would not know who he was, the kind of person he was, or anything useful about him.  He would see a black man.  For many/most people this might not make any difference.  But to some it would.

That traffic stop, which would almost certainly have been just an annoyance to me, might have been fatal for him.  And that thought scared the hell out of me.  I wanted to ask him some questions which might have led into a larger discussion of race and his experiences (which I have never had with him before and never seriously thought of having), and then I realized it would probably be insulting to him, and not appropriate for me. 

In the end, none of us will ever know what someone else’s life is really like.  But we can try to do our part and treat all people with respect…

Comment #13: MikeEss  on  07/26  at  11:56 AM

Great post, Pam.  I too am a product of parents who have families that “come in all hues”.
I’ve been asked the “So what are you?” kind of question quite a few times, only to receive the incredulous “But you’re so light!” kind of response when I say I’m Mexican-American.

Once I gave a presentation on Hispanic culture and identity to a group of high schoolers.  The white students were shocked at one point when I told them that even though my wife and I are both light-skinned, our biological babies could end up being light or dark, because both of us have plenty of dark-skinned ancestry.  It seemed to me that part of their shock was based on an idea that people like me and my wife are messing up the system because we’re too hard to categorize into a nice, little racial checkbox.

Comment #14: Grunt  on  07/26  at  12:19 PM

I was only able to watch the first half of each segment. I really wasn’t expecting much since I seem to recall a similar special a few years ago that was just as superficial. I’ll have to try to catch the second half of both parts later. It is nice that they made an effort. AFAIK, there haven’t been any specials on being APIA in America.

One of my main frustrations with race is that if someone asks you, “What are you?”, it doesn’t really matter what your answer is. When I tell people that I’m half black and half Thai, they think about it for a bit and then make their own decisions about how black or how Asian I am. In my experience, there’s no end to the list of arbitrary criteria that makes a person black or not.

Because I look more black than Asian, I’ve been caught in all of those situations where being dark makes life more difficult. I’ve been stopped for driving in my own middle class neighborhood. I’ve been blatantly followed in stores. My favorite though, was when I tried to catch a cab on a busy street to go to the airport. Being a novice, I asked a guy nearby, who was also black, for help or tips. He said that I wouldn’t catch a cab and I’d have to walk. We both kind of laughed knowingly at the problems that came with being black and he told me that I’d have an easier time on a busier street.

Comment #15: leftofemma  on  07/26  at  01:19 PM

Pam, you have a beautiful family. 

It also strikes me, whenever you post pictures, how goddamn much they all look like my mother’s “white” tribe, only a bit darker on average.  Like your crew, my crew is mixed, but identifies as White - at least since they suddenly sold all their profitable business holdings in Tennesee in 1868, and moved west.  Similar features for the most part - Row 2, #1 could easily be one of my grandmother’s brothers, Row 3, #4 could easily be a long lost cousin or sibling (or a great aunt when she was younger).

Needless to say, I’ve had the “shopping while looking other than white” experience a couple of times.  This was in the summer, when I tend to wear bright clothing and have a serious tan, and worked in a strongly Hispanic neighborhood and shopped in the upscale white area very close by.  I find it infuriating, and I can’t imagine what it would be like to live that every time I needed to buy something.

Comment #16: Ms Kate  on  07/26  at  04:01 PM

“when I go into a gas station and there are only black people there (he lives in Atlanta), I get looked at, too.  He honestly thought that was the same thing.”

The vast bulk of white America thinks it is the same thing. After years of reading progressive blogs, I have yet to read an argument that would sway any significant portion from among them, and I have not yet been convinced of it myself. I lived in Atlanta, too.

First and foremost, the history argument does not work. No matter how factual and logically constructed (and ignoring the vocal few who use one bit of history to make a hysterically generalized point), many whites simply consider history irrelevant—not just black history, but all history. We are not responsible for the actions of prior generations.

Also, the privilege argument is not working either. If you are an american citizen, you are privileged; if you are not an american citizen, then you are not privileged. Privilege certainly has a sliding scale, but the bottom line is that privilege is privilege. “Use it or lose it.”

Finally, the definition of racist has become so broad, that the tag is meaningless now. “Fine then, I’m racist. I have other problems to worry over.” The era of white guilt is fading.

These three points have one theme, individuality. Arguments that do not focus on the individual and that individual’s responsibility for self are themselves self-defeating. These are people who view societal change as only working one individual at a time. Government mandates for universal change invoke visions of thought police.

If you really want to connect with white society, these are the obstacles you must hurdle. They cannot be removed, they cannot be changed, and they cannot be argued away. Solutions must accommodate these basic tenets, not ignore them. Otherwise, you are just farting in your own spacesuit.

Comment #17: jed  on  07/26  at  07:24 PM

Heck, it’s gotten to the point where I notice more class indications such as language and accent than color….

Living in Japan was a bit of an eye-opener, since I was definitely gaijin and stuck out like a sore thumb.  Quickly discovered that a very great hurdle was surmounted as soon as people discovered I spoke Japanese….

Living in the U.K., what I noticed was socially the attitude was more “the whites and the blacks vs. Indians/Pakistanis/Mideasterners.” 

I also wonder how much of the US attitude has to do with perceived class.  I would bet any sum of money that if anyone with a darker-colored skin were to speak impeccable English with a pure U.K. accent, he’s/she’s be treated much differently (if he/she had a chance to open his/her mouth.)

(This isn’t to say that there are unfortunately far too many people in the US who still judge people by the melanin content of their skin…)

Comment #18: grumpy realist  on  07/26  at  07:42 PM

Jed, spoken from white privilege.  Truly.

Have you ever considered this: IT ISN’T ONLY ABOUT “WHITE” AMERICA?

Of course, you probably think feminism will fail because it isn’t enough about men, too.

Comment #19: Ms Kate  on  07/26  at  07:42 PM

P.S. And I’m sure that none of us have to be reminded is that the identification of biracial kids == black is simply the modern shadow of that historical equation “one drop of black blood == black”, which too many of us still have as a knee-jerk reaction.

And who can forget the qualifications found in Louisiana and elsewhere? “quadroon”, “octoroon”.  Or the separate class level that they occupied?

Alexander Dumas, pere was an octoroon and had to deal with a huge amount of racism, no matter how popular his writings were.  (It also gives a poignant undercurrent to many of his historical novels and the tribulations of many of his heroes.)

Comment #20: grumpy realist  on  07/26  at  07:55 PM

Ms Kate, I have to say a word in defense of Jed.  He’s not saying that’s what he believes; he’s saying what he believes is the mindset of most white people.  (I think he’s right.)  Many of them will turn a deaf ear to anything they see as “just another black person, trying to make me feel guilty.”  Haranguing them about their lack-of-hearing won’t help matters—it will simply make them more convinced of their viewpoint.  And given that the bulk of white people hold the power and $$ in this country, if you want to get something changed, they DO have to be communicated with…

(By the way, Pam—did you see the recent report in the Chicago Tribune showing that blacks and Hispanics got searched much more often when pulled over, even though white people were more likely to be carrying drugs?  Given the Trib’s political leanings, I’m surprised they ran the story…)

Comment #21: grumpy realist  on  07/26  at  08:08 PM

Sorry grumpy, but it seems like his exhortation to “change your talk or nobody will listen” kinda smacked of “it has to be made to be all about the dominant culture and what they want”, which is really the problem to start with.

Comment #22: Ms Kate  on  07/26  at  08:12 PM

i have tripped over this my whole life, from the other way. i identify as Cherokee - my whole family does - yet everyone checks us as “white”. and, of course, some of my relatives call me an apple, because i LOOK white. it’s weird.

my boyfriend’s family is split - some like me, some hate me because i’m “white”. which, by the way, they have white and indian blood themselves, so why do they hate me because i’m not black?

i can’t get people to talk to me about this. in real life, i mean - i get in lots of fight online. which is unhelpful. how am i supposed to understand if no one will talk to me?

Comment #23: denelian  on  07/26  at  09:51 PM

By the way, Pam—did you see the recent report in the Chicago Tribune showing that blacks and Hispanics got searched much more often when pulled over, even though white people were more likely to be carrying drugs?

No, I haven’t seen that article, but the news isn’t surprising. The fact that it received coverage is. It goes on everywhere.

Comment #24: Pam Spaulding  on  07/26  at  10:26 PM

i can’t get people to talk to me about this. in real life, i mean - i get in lots of fight online. which is unhelpful. how am i supposed to understand if no one will talk to me? 

It’s not weird at all—the confusing, frustrating encounters we have, particularly in families. As far as getting in fights online, perhaps you need to take a look at not only what you say, but how you say it. When discussing race, you’re already in territory where people don’t feel safe to express their own biases, so you have to try to understand where they are coming from, and check yourself before bursting out in anger. It’s not productive if the purpose is to have mutual understanding, even if you cannot come to an agreement.

Comment #25: Pam Spaulding  on  07/26  at  10:32 PM

I was VERY surprised that they didn’t tackle what is “black”.  It just seems like it would be natural part of giving insight into what it means to be Black in America.  White people don’t even understand Soledad’s background and why she claims Black.  Just another example of why the documentary was lacking.

Comment #26: Noli  on  07/27  at  01:43 AM

As a HAPA, I found the following interesting:

“There’s a huge level of excitement,” said Jilchristina Vest, co-director of iPride, a Berkeley nonprofit that runs a summer camp for multiracial kids and trains teachers on honoring ethnic diversity. “He really represents the multiplicity of mixed Americans.”

Vest and her colleague, Tarah Fleming, encourage children to create their own language to describe their identity, just as golf sensation Tiger Woods termed himself “Cablinasian” to capture his Caucasian, black, American Indian and Asian heritage.

When Fleming’s biracial son, Loyl, was 3, he came home from a day of blending paint colors at preschool and said, “Mommy, you’re white, Daddy’s black - and I’m silver,” she reported.

“Now we spend a lot of time pointing out people who are silver: Bob Marley is silver, Barack Obama is silver,” Fleming said. “What does that say to my son? I can be the president of the United States. For the first time, black children can say that but mixed children can also say that.”

Vest, who was born in 1966 to a white mother of Norwegian and German ancestry and an African American father who was part Seminole Indian, pointed out that both her parents and Obama’s fell in love at a time when, in some states, interracial marriages were banned. It was not until the 1967 Supreme Court decision in Loving vs. Virginia that anti-miscegenation laws were finally struck down.

The anniversary of that decision, June 12, is now celebrated as “Loving Day” by a growing group of mixed-race Americans and people in interracial relationships.

Comment #27: The Dark Avenger and Guardian of 10 Gold Chow Mein  on  07/27  at  02:04 PM

Ms Kate, I have to say a word in defense of Jed.  He’s not saying that’s what he believes; he’s saying what he believes is the mindset of most white people…
grumpy realist on 07/26 at 03:08 PM

Skimming jed’s comment I thought the same thing—I even thought he might have been writing as an African-American himself.

However, after saying

[quoting someone else above]“when I go into a gas station and there are only black people there (he lives in Atlanta), I get looked at, too.  He honestly thought that was the same thing.”
The vast bulk of white America thinks it is the same thing. After years of reading progressive blogs, I have yet to read an argument that would sway any significant portion from among them,

...he immediately says

and I have not yet been convinced of it myself.

Well, whatever your own background, jed, how can you live in modern America, reading progressive stuff yet, and not have seen the difference? I’m certainly convinced, just from observing my own reactions, let alone listening to all the bad faith bullshit my fellow white family, friends, and other acquaintences spew out constantly.

Now the point that the ruling racist mentality is pretty firmly grounded is a strong one, and certainly transforming it might well require some different approaches than the progressive orthodoxy has hitherto employed. However, a progressive mindset is founded on a general concept of justice and fairness for all, and linked to the idea that the right thing to do is also enlightened pragmatism. And so the very dominance of the right, in power and in control of the cultural apparatus that attempts to shape our thinking, has provided us with new arguments, based in their own accomplishment of driving society in the direction they have always sought (as distinct from the nonsense they claim they seek).

First and foremost, the history argument does not work.

Well maybe not. Then again, maybe not yet. Perhaps people in general, and perhaps least of all white Americans in particular, won’t pay attention to history. But then, history is not just some set of facts—it is our perception of the meaning and significance of these facts that is history as it matters in society. The reality of events in the past is mind-numbingly diverse, overwhelming in quantity, and yet blurry due to the loss of information—what matters politically is what people think it means in upshot. But it is a reality-based thing; the facts have a way of re-asserting themselves and when they do, they are vivid.

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We are not responsible for the actions of prior generations.

No, but we are responsible for what we choose to maintain and what we choose to discard that we inherit. Things that were done in the past were done for reasons, and they have consequences, and this is the relevance of history today—how do past choices shape what can be done now? That is the point of understanding history for practical purposes. And so if we are now in crisis, all this comes under more scrutiny.

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Comment #28: Mark Foxwell  on  07/27  at  03:00 PM

Continuing re jed:

Also, the privilege argument is not working either. If you are an american citizen, you are privileged; if you are not an american citizen, then you are not privileged. Privilege certainly has a sliding scale, but the bottom line is that privilege is privilege. “Use it or lose it.”

I think this is the crucial matter. That sort of Jacksonian perception certainly still rings strongly, but we are clearly in an age when it comes into question—not just for those who have systematically been excluded all along, but for those who have supposed to have been the beneficiaries at their expense. The bounds of privilege have obviously and painfully been constricting; over time more and more of us identify with the Outs rather than the Ins, and so the long experience of those who have been Out for generations and centuries becomes more relevant and meaningful to us.

Katrina, for instance, can be seen as mainly an assault by neglect on a largely African-American population, but for me it was also a shocking betrayal of the myth of American Can-Do competence. Aside from the obvious racism, it was an affront to me that any American city could be left in such an embarrassing plight. It was a moment when lots of otherwise not very thoughtful people stood up in shock and wondered what the hell was happening to us.

Finally, the definition of racist has become so broad, that the tag is meaningless now. “Fine then, I’m racist. I have other problems to worry over.” The era of white guilt is fading.

I dunno, what the heck is your definition of “racist” anyway? To me, after some decades of reappraisal, the whole concept of “race” is clearly the product and not the grounds of a system of racism, and that system defines the concept for me very nicely and clearly.

And in that perspective, “white guilt” is and always has been at best a way station on the road to a clear and humane view of the whole matter. If a “white” person like myself never goes through such a stage, either they come from an exceptionally enlightened and clear-sighted and (necessarily, given our set-up) heroic background, or they are still mired in poisonous delusions. But beyond “guilt” there is the recognition that an injustice to a few is a danger to all, and that solutions for me involve either crimes committed against or sacrifices on behalf of thee, and the latter course is better for me in the long run.

These three points have one theme, individuality. Arguments that do not focus on the individual and that individual’s responsibility for self are themselves self-defeating. These are people who view societal change as only working one individual at a time. Government mandates for universal change invoke visions of thought police.
If you really want to connect with white society, these are the obstacles you must hurdle. They cannot be removed, they cannot be changed, and they cannot be argued away. Solutions must accommodate these basic tenets, not ignore them. Otherwise, you are just farting in your own spacesuit.
jed on 07/26 at 02:24 PM

I certainly don’t think there are quick and easy solutions, but I am not so sure the traditional progressive perspective has been repudiated; rather, I think the ongoing evolution of a clearly worsening situation on every front—environmental, geopolitical, economic, and oh yes a general ugliness in matters of gender and of course race—clearly shows the strength and accuracy of the progressive critique. And as someone who believes in democracy and that the fundamental worth of any society is how well it serves its ordinary members, I think that perforce these hitherto powerful ideological illusions are being dissolved and transformed.

Because part of the transformation from this serviceable Jacksonian mentality that we Americans are all part of a privileged team we had better rally to is the realization that we already have our Thought Police, and what you are decrying as such is actually the act of denouncing them.

And though you are careful now in this closing paragraph to distance yourself from “these” people, you already slipped up on this point and are speaking as one of them. Maybe the ultimate solutions will involve some of your perspective, but what specifically do you suggest, from your individualist point of view? I think it must clearly involve changing minds, and that forces are at work that will change them honestly, and that if you stop resisting the evidence of your own senses you might see things differently too.

Comment #29: Mark Foxwell  on  07/27  at  03:01 PM

“June 12, is now celebrated as “Loving Day” by a growing group of mixed-race Americans and people in interracial relationships.”

I married my (different race) husband on June 12th and I didn’t even know the significance of it.  Beautiful.

Comment #30: GumbyAnne  on  07/27  at  04:22 PM

“The vast bulk of white America thinks it is the same thing. After years of reading progressive blogs, I have yet to read an argument that would sway any significant portion from among them”

I don’t understand why people say things like this.  So people who are willfully ignorant and/or have a vested interest in not getting it are not convinced by my argument?  Well then the problem must obviously be with me and my argument, not the ignorant dumbasses and I should change my approach.

What?

Comment #31: GumbyAnne  on  07/27  at  04:31 PM

I think it’s particularly sad because those moments of temporary inversion are potential learning experiences. If people would give up the idea that getting stared at once because you’re white makes for moral equivalence, and focus instead on thinking about what it might be like to be stared at 24/7 by people who could fire, jail or kill you with near impunity…

Comment #32: paul  on  07/27  at  09:44 PM

Pam;

i get what you are saying - fighting with people online is, at best, a waste of my time and at worst will fill me (and others!) with wrong ideas.

the thing is, and i may be wrong in this, but it seems that the base asumption is that i am a white/Privileged poster, and am therefor WRONG to be ASKING questions about “being black”

that first assumption. all else follows. yes, many just assume that i am white by looking at me, because me and some few of my relatives are “lucky” enough to “pass” for white instead of injun. and yes, there has been a fair amount of assimilation. so i am attacked for being “white” and acting (and asking!) from my “white privilege”. and then i’m pissed and shouting at someone who really has no reason to know any better.

it’s just weird.

Comment #33: denelian  on  07/28  at  02:17 AM

One thing that was in your post that I continually find disturbing is who counts in the media and who doesn’t.  The majority of America interacts with black people and (gasp) live in urban areas.  Why is the “general public” defined as white folk who don’t live in urban areas?  Why not make a assumption that your audience knows, lives near, and works with black people?  The majority of America does but the majority of America also lives in places like New York and California.  On top of that, how about we think of how people of color relate to each other as opposed to just between ABC racial/ethnic group and non-Hispanic whites?

Comment #34: verucaamish  on  07/28  at  06:08 PM
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