Can colorado please expel or censure this goon for conduct unbecoming a human?

Thanks in advance

So…...actually HAVING Aids her-own-self isn’t ENOUGH? THe BABY must be “punished”? Doesn’t this take the opposite view of “right to life”?

I mean, come ON! Are the fetuses INNOCENT or AINT they?

Note, incidently, how this idiot assumes that the woman gets HIV because she’s promiscuous, as opposed, for example, to a nonpromiscuous wife getting it from a promiscuous husband. Sexist . . .

Y’know, are they even frakking capable of seeing the link b/w their vomited tripe and our higher rates of depression, alcoholism, and suicide? That they, you know, contribute to the problem?

/today’s rhetorical exercise

I hate those people.

I hate that they live in my country.

They cannot fathom the scarring they inflict on even the most well-adjusted of us.

*reaches for the single malt*

Atrios said it well:

The Lord Saletans of the world think we’re crazy when we try to explain to them that the pro-life movement (not all pro-lifers, but the movement) is all about punishing women who have sex they disapprove of. Not much about life when you’re bestowing a death sentence.

What’s next, you have present a notarized affidavit swearing that the pregnancy was planned before getting prenatal care?  Healthy babies encourage promiscuity!

(On the other hand, I’m leery of making HIV testing mandatory without a funding source.  Funny the things that start jumping out at you when you’re pregnant without insurance.)

He must have no one to talk to.  No one on any side of the abortion debate would take that position.

I’d like to put out that this is a subset of coloradans. The “personhood” amendment failed in November, colorado has two democratic senators a (blue dog-ish) governor and the dems control the both houses in the state legislature. Colorado Springs is a weird place.

I dunno MAL, seems like at least one person, an elected official, took that position.

If you don’t think that there are many people out there reading this asshole’s words and thinking to themselves, “Mm hmm, this Schultheis guy makes a good point,” then you are just as deluded as you let on.

I really can’t fathom it, though.  He’s saying that watching a child die young of AIDS might get the mother to rethink her promiscuity?  Even taking the moronic position that promiscuity is a scourge that must be stopped, isn’t there a better way to do so than letting innocent children die??????  I mean, why not start off with a scarlet letter and see how that works before moving straight into condemning babies to a horrible death?

MAL, this is their position taken to an extreme, but it is not inconsistent or all that out there.

Not all that out there compared to a lot of “pro-life” beliefs, I mean.

Funny that AIDs used to kill a lot of babies until we started the HIV/AIDs testing on pregnant women and then giving women drugs that prevented the disease from being passed to their children.

Funny how AIDs rates were kept down by that and actually teaching safe sex as well as having rape victimes when they come forward be tested.

More disingenuous trolling.  Oh, joy.

So let me get this straight: getting aborted before you have any cognitive function = OMG MURDUR!!!!, but a lingering death from aids in order to teach your mom a lesson = peachy-keen?

What. The. Fuck.

Gee, and what about the delivery room workers? There’s quite a bit of bodily fluid expelled in labor, right?  I guess this freak wants them to get infected because they didn’t take as many precautions as they might have because there wasn’t anything in her file mentioning HIV positive. (not that health care workers are generally lax, but hey, we’re all human—except for Renfroe, who is an alien) That will teach them to deliver babies for sluts! Promiscuously providing health care for any ho who shows up in labor…

ew. evil thinking makes my brain hurt.

Schultheis is an alien, I mean. Although the other guy lacks human compassion, too.

Yeah, I guess all those rape victims, recipients of blood transfusions, and hospital workers who got it accidentally would get just what they deserve by having a baby with AIDS, according to this guy.  But why help innocent people when you have a chance to punish people for the ultimate sin of having teh sex?

“What I’m hoping is that, yes, that person may have AIDS, have it seriously as a baby and when they grow up, but the mother will begin to feel guilt as a result of that,”

Glad he cleared that up. At first, I thought he was concerned about greedy women getting pregnant just for the free HIV tests. This would be consistent with the Republican position that under “socialized medicine,” people would be wastefully visiting the doctor every time they were ill.

Someone should jab the poor sucker with an aids infected needle to teach him empathy.

I think it’s time for bumper stickers that say “It’s a child, not a punishment”.

Nice to know that pro-lifers love babies so much that they really want to save them from dying.

Conservatives hate women who have sex? Say it ain’t so.

This guy is a living testament to the miracle of gerrymandering software. Can you imagine having to design a district for that? How could the people who live there not vote for any sentient life form over him?

Can you imagine having to design a district for that? How could the people who live there not vote for any sentient life form over him?

It’s Colorado Springs—Dobson central!

So let me get this straight: getting aborted before you have any cognitive function = OMG MURDUR!!!!, but a lingering death from aids in order to teach your mom a lesson = peachy-keen?

What. The. Fuck.

Oh, but that’s “natural death.”  It doesn’t involve the mother taking any action toward her own autonomy or happiness (which is apparently the sole definition of “murder” for these people).

Oh, and the baby’s been born already when that happens!  So it doesn’t matter if it dies!

I dunno MAL, seems like at least one person, an elected official, took that position.

If you don’t think that there are many people out there reading this asshole’s words and thinking to themselves, “Mm hmm, this Schultheis guy makes a good point,” then you are just as deluded as you let on.

Well, the one elected official was him.  It seems there are others here who see his stupidity as wildy inconsistent with the “pro-lifer” position. The only shred of intellectual honesty it has is to say that a person begins at conception or implantation (difficult enough a proposition to maintain with any intellectual honesty) and the newly created person is innocent and deserving of society’s protection.  So Schultheis position is directly contradictory to a pro-lifer position and anyone with half a brain would see that.  The pro-lifers are not exactly quiet about proclaiming their alleged desire to protect “the unborn”.

(Since there are folk around here fond of intentionally misinterpreting me, I am in favor of retaining the right to abortion on demand.)

OK, so the nasty sluts pass AIDS onto their children, and now they feel really bad so they’ll… what?  What happens next?  Where is the net social good?  Is the idea that their kids are genetically inclined to be nasty sluts, so the fact that they’re likely to die will result in fewer nasty sluts in the world?

I don’t get it.

Well, I think Colorado is just a microcosm of national politics.  Colorado was for the longest time a pretty reliable red state.  But in the last gubernatorial election, we elected a Democrat and they control both houses in the state legislature.  The Republicans have gotten crazier so more people have deserted them so they think the way to get power back is to get crazier…  and louder.  They are about one marble stairway away from running through the streets wearing a sandwich board saying “the end is near” and yelling at invisible black helicopters.  After 8 years of trying to enforce fealty to Bush, accusing liberals of “Bush Derangement Syndrome” and of being unpatriotic America-haters, just a month into Obama’s presidency there are some openly calling for full revolt!  When you’re an emotionally unbalanced hammer, all your problems look like crazy nails.

Remember Colorado has a Democratic House, Senate and Governor and 7 of the nine members of our Washington delegation are Democrats.

The bill Schultheis was speaking against will likely become law.

The Senate also passed a same-sex partner benefit bill for State employees which will likely be passed into law. (I know it is a small step but it is a step in the right direction)

A bill is making its way through the House which would eliminate the death penalty.

Colorado voters went for Obama 52% to 45% and defeated a “personhood” amendment 73% to 26%.

Schultheis is part of a shrinking right-wing in Colorado.

(Since there are folk around here fond of intentionally misinterpreting me, I am in favor of retaining the right to abortion on demand.)

Yeah. Intentional misinterpretation. Uh huh. Funny, with most real radicals and liberals, there’s no complaint of ‘misinterpreation’ or any other such bullshit.

(On the other hand, I’m leery of making HIV testing mandatory without a funding source.  Funny the things that start jumping out at you when you’re pregnant without insurance.)

True.  I don’t know that I would support mandatory testing without universal healthcare.  Given the shenanigans that Blue Cross and others have been up to here in California, I wouldn’t put it past them to cancel someone’s health insurance just for having an AIDS test.  Sure, you can fight them, but by that time you’re already thousands of dollars out of pocket because it’s not like medical care during pregnancy is optional.

I’m just speechless.  Does this guy have any functioning brain cells?  Condeming innocent babies to a terrible, yet preventable. desease is just plain evil.

“Does this fucker even understand what having AIDS means? “

Likely not he seems to be under the impression that it isn’t fatal for infants hence the grow up part. AIDs used to be the number one killer of infants at one point till AIDs/HIV testing came in so they could prevent the transmission of the virus to the infant during pregnancy and during and after the birth.

What’s the current fatality rate among infected infants anyway? I still think it’s a major cause of infant death in certain parts of Africa right?

Wow.

You know, I really had thought that I was unshockable. That there was no position so depraved, so immoral, so fundamentally evil that it could surprise me. I believed that I had stared the very worst humanity has to offer square in the face. I thought that I had honed and polished my cynicism to perfection.

It now seems that I was mistaken.

“He must have no one to talk to.  No one on any side of the abortion debate would take that position.”

You forgot to add ‘out loud’ to the end of that. “Pro-lifers,” who as Atrios says, care most about shoving the feminism genie back into it’s bottle and enforcing their values on everyone else would be perfectly consistent if they agreed with the scum.

Y’know, if Colorado Springs wants to revolt and declare it’s independence, well maybe we should let them.

So . . .  if her husband were cheating on her and he contracted AIDs without telling her and passed it on to her and she passed it on to her baby - it’s still her fault.  More importantly it’s ALWAYS the INNOCENT baby who pays? 

These ARE the people want to their forced pregnancy stance to be taken seriously - they actually say they want to protect unborn children—bah! liars and thieves.

But growing up in Denver I heard this kind of talk before, sadly, from the Loving Way Church (what a great misnomer).  In the 70s and early/mid 80s there was a huge court battle going on in Denver between a member of the LWC and her ex-husband (an now out of the closet gay) over the custody of their son.

The court had awarded custody to the father which set the mother and her church off and they kidnapped and hid the son, churched him, etc. When he was found the mother was jailed and the boy went back to his father and his father’s partner.

The mother and the church fought and fought ot have the boy returned to them, but lost each and everytime.  They did cite the “depravity” of raising the boy in a homosexual home.  In the mid 80s the father died of AIDS.  The loving members of the Loving Way Church actually loudly and openly wished the same kind of death on the judge that took the boy away and gave him back to the custodial parent (the father).

So actually wishing AIDS on to others is nothing new for “Christians” Colorado.

But now they’ve really shown in print that they are NOTHING about protecting the unborn child.

It’s all about punishing women, whether they be married or not. 
Children are just collateral damage, and a PR tool.  A prop.

How do elected officials who spout off insane, hateful rhetoric such as this NOT face some kind of criminal charges?  If a person threatened his children with a fatal disease, they’d be brought up on some kind of charges, so why not this repulsive person? 

This man is openly and proactively hoping that children are born with a fatal disease.  How is this not a material threat to the lives of others?  He is singling out specific pregnant women and wishing disease and death on their children.  Isn’t this every bit as much a material threat as someone sending him a death threat through the mail? 

One can only assume from his comments that he would do everything he possibly could to ensure these children are born with AIDS, to the point where I would not be surprised if he held their mothers down and injected them with the virus or entered a hospital and injected the babies with the virus.

This guy is obviously a psychopath who harbors homicidal impulses towards women and children.  Where the hell is the FBI, state and local law enforcement?

Y’know, if Colorado Springs wants to revolt and declare it’s independence, well maybe we should let them.

Oklahoma is trying to…

He’s saying that watching a child die young of AIDS might get the mother to rethink her promiscuity?

No, it’s worse than that.  Not only does he not acknowledge that the mother might actually care about whether or not her child has AIDS prenatally or at birth, he expects it to take a few years to sink in.  And he thinks the suffering the two of them go through will eventually get through to their families, and make them all reconsider promiscuity.

And is there are lots and lots of AIDS babies, then maybe Colorado as a whole will reconsider the Slut Lifestyle.

Yep, he’s hoping for many dead babies in order to institute culture change.

He’s evil.

My guess is that the fetus is innocent up until the time of its birth.  As soon as it starts breathing air it is sinful and deserves to suffer and die horribly.

Evil is not too strong a word for what this man has said.  It should feature heavily in campaign advertising—not just for people running against him specifically, but for any Colorado Republicans who’ve given money to his campaigns, associated with him socially or professionally, etc.  I bet it sticks better than BUT BILL AYERS!

I like to drop by here to inform myself about things on your side of the Atlantic, especially in order to fathom and prepare myself for dealing with some of the more bizarre American imports, as well as looking to understand what are the best aspects to your system. It is people like this who really throw me.
I’ve often been jealous of your separation of church and state while, at the same time been dumbfounded and bewildered at how people with such extreme religious viewpoints can flourish and get elected. But his guy really is barking mad.

It’s on a par with David Icke, who thinks the Royal family are shape-shifting reptiles who drink human blood, getting elected.

It would be enough of a tragedy that your health insurance system creates an atmosphere where such seemingly obvious health precautions might be prejudicial towards pregnant women getting HIV tests.
To have someone object on the grounds that it would be flying in the face of god because it helps women escape just retribution for their sins by protecting their babies from horrible illness?
Why stop there? Obviously the next step is to deny antibiotics to people with syphilis. God wants peoples brains to rot and have them go insane.
My brain actually hurts now.

“I most certainly prefer the latter. “

Well a side effect is that in Europe the state mandating the church after centuries of the opposite is that church attendance is dying out in droves despite legalized state funding of religion and mandated prayers in school.

Do not tell me that “nobody” would ever take this position.  They did and they do.  I heard it.  I heard people tell her she deserved to die and her little daughter should rightfully have HIV/AIDS too to carry through god’s punishment.
kac90b

OK, I’ll take your word for it.  I have discussed abortion with pro-lifers and heard them preach and never heard anyone say the “unborn” should die because of the “sins” of the mother.  Their position is so steeped in the innocence of the fetus that this guy’s position would be immediately and obviously contradictory. 

Why stop there? Obviously the next step is to deny antibiotics to people with syphilis. God wants peoples brains to rot and have them go insane.

Good point.  I thought the next step would be to induce labor as soon as the fetus is viable so that the God-worshiping people could raise the child.  If by God’s grace the child makes it out HIV-free, that is.  Otherwise, drop it off at the city dump.

“isn’t there a better way to do so than letting innocent children die??????”

But they aren’t innocent. They have AIDS, remember. And AIDS is caused by promiscuity. The little pre-natal sluts have to learn somehow, right? That’ll teach them.

In the French constitution, the same clause is meant to protect the state from the church.  I most certainly prefer the latter.

Sarkozy has been cosying up to the Pope and talking about “positive secularism ... secularism which stages a dialogue, not a secularism which walls out or criticises”. This was warmly welcomed by the Pope which is a bad sign as far as I’m concerned.

While Blair was in office New Labour embarked on a programme of opening more and more faith-based schools with Hindus and Muslims wanting in on it too. One result is evangelical Christian group-sponsored schools teaching creationism in its state-funded UK schools.

The weird thing is I came to the U.K. 22 years ago because I grew up hearing the Catholic priests talk about the heathen English and though it sounded like just the place for me.
If things get any worse I’ll be learning Danish and applying for asylum.

OK, so the nasty sluts pass AIDS onto their children, and now they feel really bad so they’ll… what?  What happens next?

Maybe the sluts will be so overcome with remorse that they will get together, invent a time machine, and go back in time ...to abort Schultheis? I’d call *that* a social good… (Every scientist in the world would then, in their extreme gratitude, cure AIDS simultaneously and save the heroic mothers and their babies. Total win-win.)

“I certainly can’t say I’m sorry that church attendance is dying out in droves anywhere, tootiredoftheright.  Also - I didn’t realize there prayers were mandated in European schools.  Really?

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Pretty much the school children have them done since the schools are often church run or on church grounds. My dad’s wife was born and raised in England and had to do choir service at school.

As for the church attendance it’s been written about in various newspapers, reports on religion in Europe. Pretty much only the immigrants attend religious services and the Dutch are getting upset about the intolerant Muslims who want to force Sharia law on everyone. The UK is expiercing slates of honor killings and there will likely be a backlash against Muslims due to it as well as the revelation that a lot of UK muslims are leaving the UK to join the Taliban.

And to think that so many in this country make fun of the French.

There’s a reason for that, you know.  Life in France is a lot nicer in many many respects, healthcare and lifestyle are big ones.

The French will grab the cobblestones off the street to throw around if the government pisses them off.  As much as my conservative friends love the line “People should not be afraid of their government, government should be afraid of its people” France IS this.

They boycott at the drop of the hat and force their government to obey them.  Our government, up until about a month ago, was very very big into scaring the shit out of the people in order to strip away more and more rights.  Fuck, they still make us take off shoes at the airport—even babies!

After 9/11, the French announced “We are all Americans.”  However, the French did not go blindly into Iraq with us, allies or not.  They aren’t idiots.

Of course we must mock the French, call them unmanly, and make sure no one here figures any of that out.

Hmmm…

Nobody noticed that he cites 13-y-o High-School students putting their babies in in-school daycare. Personally, that seems a bit odd: _I_ certainly wasn’t in HS at that age… she must either be really really smart, or HS ain’t what it uster be!