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Comics break their solemn if unmade vow not to have political opinions

Did you know that comic books have a professional obligation to refrain from expressing political opinions, at least of the variety that could convince readers to vote for Democrats?  Neither did I.  But apparently, it’s supposed to be an earth-shaking scandal that Spiderman is paling around with Obama in one of the latest issues. Newsbuster told me so.

I for one think it’s an act of charity. The last thing your average comic book geek needs—-and I say this with full love, a comic book on my lap, and piles of them around my house—-is to dig way past the adorable geeky stage into the scary misogynist Republican geek stage, from someone who maybe strikes out on occasion to someone who radiates so much loathing and self-loathing that potential sex partners flinch and run away.  If seeing Obama shaking hands with Spiderman can reach the eyeballs of enough geeks that they take a left turn into the rumpled-glasses-cute-indie geek arena and away from the anti-choice-“libertarian”-khakis-and-Limbaugh geek arena, then Spiderman has done its readers a great service. Your choice, crossroad geeks: Crush on Tina Fey, or crush on Ann Coulter.

I’m amused at the ever-growing list of media outlets that are not news outlets yet have, according to hysterical wingnuts, an obligation to either lean right (which is “fair”) or, if they can’t lean right, they have an obligation to pretend that their creators have all been struck so stupid that they can’t tell one candidate or side of an issue from another on a dare (which is “balanced”).  This list of media outlets required to shut up or give equal or greater time to the looniest of right wing nuttery include:


Hollywood movies
Sitcoms
Comic books
Liberal blogs (horribly biased and should be forced to pretend to be outraged at Democratic scandals, even the faux ones concocted by wingnuts, at least according to the hate mail piling up in my email inbox)
Google illustrators
Country-western singers (who are permitted to be insanely right wing to the point of fascism, but who aren’t being fair or balanced if they criticize a single right wing stance)
“The Daily Show” and “The Colbert Report”
Guests at cocktail parties attended by Caitlin Flanagan
Anyone with input into Obama’s potential appointments—-turns out there’s a brand new rule that says that Presidents are obligated to offer lots of juicy positions to members of the opposition party, a rule that didn’t exist in the past 8 years
College professors and possibly students expressing opinions in class, if they are patriotically incorrect opinions

That’s just a sampling. However, there is absolutely nothing unfair or unbiased about the existence of these openly right wing media outlets that have no liberal counterpart:

Fox News
Most talk radio
The Wall Street Journal
The op-ed pages of many major newspapers in the “liberal” media who publish conservative op-eds at a 2 to 1 basis
Churches

In fact, churches get double super awesome protection for right wing nuttery.  If you’re a church and you give money, time, or propaganda to a right wing campaign such as the campaign for Prop 8, you not only don’t have to be fair about it, but if anyone criticizes you, they’re a radical terrorist whose free speech rights should at least be seriously reconsidered in the name of tolerance. 

If all this seems very unfair, consider that right wingers have to be handicapped because they fall so far behind in the logic, reality, and compassion departments.  Honestly, letting liberals talk at all when they have such a huge advantage when it comes to basic reason seems deeply unfair.

What’s kind of depressing is seeing how right wingers are so unimaginative when it comes to making up unbelievable claims to injury due to bias from people who have no real-world obligation to keep their liberal-leaning opinions to themselves.  There’s entire swaths of the world running around feeling like they can just say what they like without running it by a committee of angry right wing bloggers to make sure that it’s an acceptably conservative opinion or, in absence of that, lacks “bias”.  Sure, going after Google illustrators for perceived bias was an imaginative stroke, but there’s so much more that could be done.  Think of all the political pop music out there, with the vast majority of it leaning hard to the left.  It’s clear that cultivating a handful of talentless right wing musicians hasn’t really filled the gap; perhaps it’s time to start demanding that Green Day and Kanye West offer up a song praising Bush or condemning women’s suffrage for every song that criticizes the war or even hints at anti-materialist values.  On TV, anyone who looks like a classic Democratic voter—-single women, non-white people, gay people—-should dress head to toe in American-flag based clothing for balance, and if someone like Tina Fey still looks like she’s got some intelligence shining in her eyes after that, maybe we should encourage her to perm her hair for balance.  Maybe enough complaints aimed that the FCC can get this done. 

 

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Posted by Amanda Marcotte on 10:58 PM • (106) Comments

However, there is absolutely unfair or unbiased about the existence of these openly right wing media outlets that have no liberal counterpart:

Something bad happened in this sentence.

Comment #1: Caren  on  01/08  at  11:15 PM

For the record, he’s not shaking hands with Obama there.

He’s fist-bumping.

Wingnuts head asplode.

Comment #2: Auguste  on  01/08  at  11:16 PM

Wait!

That’s not “hand shaking”—that’s TERRORIST FIST-BUMPING!!!111!!  Spidey’s gone to the dark side.  Venom is imitating the red suit.

And where the hell are Obama’s ears, if that’s really supposed to be B. Hussein.  The man’s got nice ears, and they aren’t melded into his head like he’s an action figure.

Comment #3: Caren  on  01/08  at  11:17 PM

You left something very important off your list. The audio animatronic B. Hussein Obama will send many of them straight to white hot emotional meltdown.

Comment #4: Roxanne  on  01/08  at  11:17 PM

Damn you, Auguste, and your speedier typing fingers!

Comment #5: Caren  on  01/08  at  11:17 PM

I make minor, inconsequential mistakes out of the goodness of my heart, because I love the pedantic part of our readership that much.

Comment #6: Amanda Marcotte  on  01/08  at  11:18 PM

I wanna see Obama incorporated into Watchmen!

Comment #7: seeker6079  on  01/08  at  11:21 PM

Thanks, Amanda, for occasionally allowing me to feel that that English degree was worth the effort.  You’re a saint.

Comment #8: Caren  on  01/08  at  11:21 PM

That’s not really very good art.

And if wingnuts are just now discovering that Marvel Comics, a group based in New York City, and which has an entire section of its comics world devoted to “mutants,” which are themselves an extended metaphor for the loneliness of adolescence combined with the otherness which brought about the Civil Rights Movement, is liberal, then it’s mainly because they’re just really, really stupid.

Yes, Marvel is liberal.  It has been for the past forty years.  And the comments on that board—some of those people have children!  Man do I feel for those kids.

Comment #9: Punditus Maximus  on  01/08  at  11:24 PM

I thought the wingnut outrage at Marvel was exhausted when Captain America first turned “traitor”, then died.

Comment #10: Auguste  on  01/08  at  11:26 PM

That’s not really very good art.

It’s Todd Nauck. From his wiki entry:

“Todd was hired by Rob Liefeld ‘s Extreme Studios of Image Comics…”

The end.

Comment #11: Auguste  on  01/08  at  11:28 PM

What this boils down to is that the circle of right-wing nutjobs is steadily shrinking. The wingnuts’ charge that the entire world is biased against them is a subconscious recognition that there are so few people left who share their hate, even as it helps them avoid having to consciously come to terms with that fact. The more their numbers shrink, the higher the level of hate rises among those who remain.

Comment #12: Ebonmuse  on  01/08  at  11:29 PM

That’s not really very good art.

I’d gladly suffer through much worse art than that in exchange for “<a href=“http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spider-Man:_One_More_Day”>One More Day/Brand New Day</a href>” being reversed.

Comment #13: Rob, the Canadian Gaffe Machine  on  01/08  at  11:31 PM

****spoiler****spoiler********spoiler********spoiler********spoiler********

Ron Moore should give Obama a walk-on on BSG, where he walks up to <strike>Tom Zarek</strike> the final cylon and gives him the TFJ.

Comment #14: Roxanne  on  01/08  at  11:32 PM

D’oh.  I hate when I do that. :(  Oh well, you can see the link.  Go ahead and read the first few paragraphs, and you’ll see why I’d say that.  It was a really, really dumb idea.

Comment #15: Rob, the Canadian Gaffe Machine  on  01/08  at  11:33 PM

IIRC Obama is a collector of Spiderman comics. That’s probably the reason they did this.

Comment #16: Ben D.  on  01/08  at  11:33 PM

There’s not exactly a left-wing comics conspiracy at work here.  The Marvel Universe is more or less the same as our world (unlike the DC Universe, which uses fictional cities like Metropolis and Gotham City to Marvel’s New York and Chicago), so the POTUS in the real world is usually POTUS in Marvel’s world.  It’s the real world that’s currently showing its liberal bias by electing a Democratic president.  Damn reality!

Also, Spider-Man is totally lefty and it’s in-character for him to support Obama.  I don’t know if Tony Stark would fist-bump.

Fun fact!  During the presidential campaign, Marvel considered a pitch for an ongoing series that would star whoever got elected President; it would be about how the President solves problems in a world with superheroes and mutants.  It was kind of a cool idea, but I suppose there was too much potential for trouble.  Also, if the election had gone the other way, Marvel artists would have been stuck drawing John McCain for four years.

Comment #17: Shaenon  on  01/08  at  11:34 PM

Hey, Caren, I got the English degree, too.  So I feel for you.

Comment #18: Amanda Marcotte  on  01/08  at  11:35 PM

I wonder if the people who made NBA Jam were radical leftists since you could play as Bill Clinton and Al Gore using a cheat code?

Comment #19: Ben D.  on  01/08  at  11:36 PM

Amanda:

you got it a little wrong on churches. The (relatively few but still not uncommon) liberal churches must lean to the right, or otherwise risk having their tac exemptions revoked. And advertisements sponsored by liberal denominations must on no account be allowed to air on network television.

(Of course, I’m speaking as the resident of a town with one episcopal church, one methodist, one UCC church that runs a soup kitchen and sponsors lefty meetings, one unitarian church and a catholic church over in the far corner somewhere.)

Comment #20: paul  on  01/08  at  11:47 PM

Fair enough, paul.  But I suppose most right wingers would not consider liberal churches legitimate churches.  Look at the vicious debate about Unitarians that erupted after the Kentucky shooting.

Comment #21: Amanda Marcotte  on  01/08  at  11:50 PM

Comic books broke into dealing with political/social issues since at least the early 1970s.  See the Green Arrow - Green Lantern series for an example of that.

Comment #22: Linnaeus  on  01/09  at  12:01 AM

I want to pass along to our dear right wing censors Warren Ellis’s Black Summer.

Great plot.
Great art.
George W Bush is executed for his crimes.  Extrajudicially.

Havok ensues.

Comment #23: shah8  on  01/09  at  12:07 AM

There was a stretch of “JLA” comics in 2003—about six issues in a row—where the writer, Joe Kelly, just drenched the series in anti-Republican stories. They got roped into an interstellar war where they had to help space tyrant Kanjar Ro, then they had to fight superpowered Klansmen, and then Superman had an Iraq War/War on Terror nightmare where President Luthor took the nation to war against Qurac, and when Batman and Wonder Woman spoke against him, he disappeared them. I remember the wingnuts getting so pissed off about that…

Comment #24: Scott  on  01/09  at  12:14 AM

Amanda: true enough. (Speaking of christianity lite, there’s a nice bbc piece from a couple days ago about a church that removed a sculpture of christ on the cross because they felt it was offputting to parishioners…)

Comment #25: paul  on  01/09  at  12:25 AM

I’m okay with Spidey snubbing Obama as long as Bill Willingham agrees to not write anything, ever again.

Comment #26: dan  on  01/09  at  12:25 AM

I’m okay with Spidey snubbing Obama as long as Bill Willingham agrees to not write anything, ever again.

Holy shit, you have to go away.

(Although I’m behind on Fables, so maye something bad happened I’m not aware of. Otherwise, wow.)

Comment #27: Auguste  on  01/09  at  12:39 AM

I haven’t read “Fables” in a long time, but I understand there was some controversy about how he portrayed the fables from Muslim countries.

And Willingham and Judd Winick wrote that awful “DC Decisions” series together. Ye gods.

Comment #28: Scott  on  01/09  at  12:47 AM

Amanda,

While I agree with the content of your post, what on earth do you have against khakis?  Some of us geeks, particularly hired guns like myself, like to look ever so slightly more professional than jeans allow for.  Doesn’t mean you can’t still look a bit rumpled and adorable, though.

Comment #29: Zach  on  01/09  at  12:50 AM

Ah, I hadn’t heard of DC Decisions before. Given the topic of the post, I bet that’s what dan was talking about. It sounds abhorrent.

Comment #30: Auguste  on  01/09  at  12:54 AM

Barrack Obama: President of the United States.
Barrack Obama: Spider Man comic collector.
Barrack Obama: The first comic book fan in the White House.

Hm. What would a capitalistic company like Marvel Comics do in a situation like this?

Comment #31: gwangung  on  01/09  at  12:55 AM

Spell his name right, one hopes.

(Hey, we did it to Amanda, we can do it to you…)

Comment #32: Auguste  on  01/09  at  12:59 AM

Auguste, I’d link you to my reviews, but there were several of them, and I suspect it would trip the spam filter.

Basically, the story is about a mysterious someone trying to assassinate all of the presidential candidates. The superheroes start investigating, and after a bit, they all start endorsing candidates. This is a huge scandal, because, gasp, superheroes shouldn’t care about politics! Among other things, it has Lois Lane saying she’s a Republican (something which was basically made up on the spot, since I can’t possibly imagine her as a Republican); Power Girl wanting a candidate who will “keep us safe,” which is a damn dumb reason for superstrong, indestructible people to favor a candidate; Wonder Woman endorsing a hard-right Republican solely because he’s a “warrior”; and the bizarre revelation that Lois Lane has no idea who Clark Kent, her husband, votes for, because he absolutely refuses to tell her.

Comment #33: Scott  on  01/09  at  01:00 AM

Damn. That sounds as bad as the Perez/Wolfman New Teen Titans drug issue, which by the way I owned.

Seriously, I always TRY to have anything but negative feelings towards DC, and they always punch me in the face for my troubles.

Comment #34: Auguste  on  01/09  at  01:07 AM

I’d offer to send you my copies, but I’m jobless and afraid of spending postal money for anything other than sending out job applications.  :/

Comment #35: Scott  on  01/09  at  01:12 AM

how… strange.
i vowed to NEVERNEVERNEVERNEVERNEVERNEVERNEVER buy spidey again.

fuckers! next thing you know i’ll be feverishly going through backstock at the Laughing Ogre again
*tears hair out more*

DAMNIT! I HAD JUST ESCAPED AGAIN!!

*sniffle*

i think Obama would look kinda hot as a superhero….....

Comment #36: denelian  on  01/09  at  01:50 AM

I’d gladly suffer through much worse art than that in exchange for “One More Day/Brand New Day” being reversed.

For reals.  Can we retcon out Joe Quesada.  (Dan Didio too, thanks for crapping up DC for me, Dan!)

Comment #37: Godless Heathen  on  01/09  at  02:13 AM

i think Obama would look kinda hot as a superhero….....

He does.

Comment #38: Seraph  on  01/09  at  02:24 AM

What MORON let that photo get out? Has the President Elect’s staff even thought about this?

Spiderman is an anonymous WANTED FELON with ties to an underground terrorist organization. Bin Laden has better press than the Webbed-Menace. At least Al Jazera likes him.

and someone let a photo leak of him doing a “terrorist fist bump” with Spiderman?

John Jonah Jameson might be a dignified and professional newspaperman compared to the likes of Fox News, but he actually has Investigative Journalists who work for him and do their jobs, and the tenacity of a a bulldog. And with this one “photo op” they’ve made him an ally of the likes of Ann Coulter.

Karl Rove could not have planned this better.

Comment #39: karpad  on  01/09  at  02:47 AM

Comic books have touched on politics and current events for a long time.  In WW 2 they advertised war bonds and depicted the protagonists fighting the Axis powers… mixed in with some racism to boot (http://tinyurl.com/6k39tb).

Comment #40: commissarjs  on  01/09  at  02:47 AM

Oh, heck, the first issue of Captain America had him punching out Hitler.

Which is, by the way, fricking awesome.

Comment #41: Punditus Maximus  on  01/09  at  02:50 AM

Comic books broke into dealing with political/social issues since at least the early 1970s.  See the Green Arrow - Green Lantern series for an example of that.

The earliest Superman stories as often as not had the Man of Steel going up against crooked landlords and shady businessmen. That was back when Seigel and Schuster first started the book, though the radio show in the ‘40s had the occasional story with the Big Blue Boy Scout whipping the Klan’s ass. That little bit of knowledge’s always ruined Frank Miller’s The Dark Knight Returns and apart from the Daredevil storyline with all the ninjas, he ain’t got much else.

Comment #42: Matt T.  on  01/09  at  02:58 AM

Bill Willingham is seriously right-wing, and has screwed up some DCU characters mightily; perhaps best to let him play with his own character set.

President Bush was, IIRC, portrayed more or less respectfully in Ultimate X-Men, and I didn’t hear any liberal complaints analogous to these WATB rightniks.

Dunno about Power Girl’s political views, but I can see Thor voting for a candidate who he’s persuaded will keep people safe, even though he doesn’t need any help with his own security:  he’s just that paternalistic.

Comment #43: Josh  on  01/09  at  03:16 AM

Dunno about Power Girl’s political views, but I can see Thor voting for a candidate who he’s persuaded will keep people safe, even though he doesn’t need any help with his own security:  he’s just that paternalistic.

My thinking on that is that the powerhouses would be less likely to get suckered into the “Candidate X will keep us safe” line. Candidate X won’t keep people safe—Superhero Z is who’s going to be stomping alien invaders, dismantling giant robots, and stopping that missile before it DESTROYS THE CITY!

Also, I got Thor pegged as, if not a Republican, at least an anti-Republican. He knows what the GOP thinks of non-Christians…  wink

Comment #44: Scott  on  01/09  at  03:31 AM

Wait, I’m sure I saw Thor blocking a whaling ship with Greenpeace in a Marvel animated Avengers movie. Even he’s pretty left wing.

Dr. Strange couldn’t become a mystic until he gave up materialism.

The Mutants aren’t just about teen angst and otherness. They had their own virus in a storyline fairly early in the AIDS epidemic. (While in Alpha Flight, the X-Men’s friends to the north, North Star not only came out of the closet but lost his boyfriend to AIDS and, I think adopted a baby?). Furthermore, religion-fueled bigotry has been their enemy—God Loves, Man Kills being the perfect graphic novel on that.

Storm is supposed to have her mutant powers diminish as she grows older, but her green witchcraft powers increase. Chris Claremont was dating a Wiccan, iirc, while Storm was being developed.

The Nomad series didn’t last, but it was an anti-classist Marvel Comic.

The 2099 world deal a lot with the environment vs corporations.

and so on, and so on. They’ve pretty much always leaned left, at least in the things I found appealing.

Comment #45: Samantha Vimes  on  01/09  at  04:18 AM

Wait, I’m sure I saw Thor blocking a whaling ship with Greenpeace in a Marvel animated Avengers movie. Even he’s pretty left wing.

That was set in the Ultimate universe, where Thor is “referred to as once being a psychiatric nurse called Thorlief Golmen, until he suffered a nervous breakdown before his 30th birthday. He spent 18 months institutionalized, during which time he claims to have realized who he is and why he has been sent to Earth. He claimed to be Thor, Norse god of thunder, on a mission to save the planet. His political and social activism, as well as his own self-help books, attracted rebellious hippies and conspiracy theorists. He has spoken against America’s military aggression against other world powers and the military-industrial complex.”

Comment #46: Auguste  on  01/09  at  04:29 AM

The Marvel Universe is more or less the same as our world (unlike the DC Universe, which uses fictional cities like Metropolis and Gotham City to Marvel’s New York and Chicago), so the POTUS in the real world is usually POTUS in Marvel’s world.

Yeah, right.  And not one single superhero for teh last eight years said:

“God-DAMN, this guy in the White House is stupid.  Has anyone checked to see if he’s a Krull?”

Comment #47: Phoenician in a time of Romans  on  01/09  at  04:36 AM

Skrull, Krull, whatever.  I stopped reading the X-men over a decade ago.

Comment #48: Phoenician in a time of Romans  on  01/09  at  04:37 AM

Oh, heck, the first issue of Captain America had him punching out Hitler.

Which is, by the way, fricking awesome.

Is this the point we declare this thread Godwin’d? {add smileys as appropriate}

Comment #49: Lee Brimmicombe-Wood  on  01/09  at  04:38 AM

Skrull, Krull, whatever.  I stopped reading the X-men over a decade ago.

FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF

Skrulls are primarily a Fantastic Four nemesis group. the X-men Aliens are the Shi’ar Star empire.

Although “more than a decade ago” a skrull DID make an appearance in X-men, by impersonating Wolverine for a prolonged period. “Skrullverine” as he came to be known, died an ignominious death along with everything else terrible about the 90s.

Comment #50: karpad  on  01/09  at  06:48 AM

Wolverine - was he the one with the funny visor who shot laser beams?

Comment #51: Phoenician in a time of Romans  on  01/09  at  07:31 AM

“With great power comes great responsibility.”

It has long been clear that Spiderman was not a Republican . . .

Comment #52: rea  on  01/09  at  07:32 AM

PiaTR…
that was a joke? or did you not see the X-men movies? i was pretty sure they were shown in NZ…

Comment #53: denelian  on  01/09  at  08:01 AM

and, btw, THANK YOU Seraph!!!!!!!

Comment #54: denelian  on  01/09  at  08:05 AM

There were X-Men movies?  Why does no-one tell me these things?

Who did they get to play Rogue?

Comment #55: Phoenician in a time of Romans  on  01/09  at  08:42 AM

What would a capitalistic company like Marvel Comics do in a situation like this?

But!  But!  But the free market is all well and good, until its invisible hand steers it to a conclusion that right-wingers don’t like.  Then someone has to step in and intervene.

Comment #56: Notorious P.A.T.  on  01/09  at  09:38 AM

Wonder Woman endorsing a hard-right Republican solely because he’s a “warrior”

Oh yeah, RIGHT.

Comment #57: Notorious P.A.T.  on  01/09  at  09:38 AM

I feel so….stupid.  I really have no idea what you guys are talking about.  *sob*

Comment #58: speedbudget  on  01/09  at  10:36 AM

Off topic for the discussion, but tangentially related to post:

“This list of media outlets required to shut up or give equal or greater time to the looniest of right wing nuttery include…”

Does this mean that the rightwing is in FAVOR of the Fairness Doctrine?

Comment #59: Jay  on  01/09  at  10:42 AM

I feel so….stupid.  I really have no idea what you guys are talking about.  *sob*

Oh, don’t feel bad. It just means you’ve ignored the monster time-waster that is comic books.

Comment #60: atheist  on  01/09  at  10:46 AM

Thumbsucker articles like the subject of this post are just so fuckin’ silly. Like any other art form, comic books have all kinds of political associations you can make, both intentionally added by the artists, and subjective to the reader.

You can view the X Men as somewhat left-wing or at least liberal, as several commenters here have pointed out. You can view Batman as a right-winger. You can view Green Arrow as a Green. Captain America has had all kinds of incarnations, with different vague political slants. So what?

Whatever, let the right wingers get shrill & stupid about stupid shit, like they always do. I’ll focus on actual issues, like I always do.

Comment #61: atheist  on  01/09  at  11:05 AM

That little bit of knowledge’s always ruined Frank Miller’s The Dark Knight Returns and apart from the Daredevil storyline with all the ninjas, he ain’t got much else.

Enjoy the character or not, but Miller and John Byrne pretty much re-invented Wolverine into the character that has become so popular. Ninjas were, of course, involved. I thought they just hung out at airports and got sucked into jet engines, but apparently they can do some cool stuff! Ninjas, they’re wacky.

Comment #62: Sarcastro  on  01/09  at  11:40 AM

There were X-Men movies?  Why does no-one tell me these things?

Who did they get to play Rogue?

Never can tell with PiaToR, but if you’re serious there’s this neat website at imdb.com where you can find out which actors were in various films. It’s been around for a while, ackshully.

They had an Antipodean playing Wolverine too…

Comment #63: Dolbia  on  01/09  at  11:46 AM

“There were X-Men movies?  Why does no-one tell me these things?

Who did they get to play Rogue? “

There were three. All were fairly successfull raking in a few hundred mill in the US each. They are also out on collector’s edition DVDs.

Basically they are a reboot with the origins being in the modern times. Rouge isn’t able to fly yet and she gets her skunk hair at the end of the first movie.

Patrick Stewart was Xavier. Fun fact in the Star Trek Next Gen/X-men crossover comics and book Planet X Capt. Picard is commented to look like Professor Xaxier.

Magneto was the guy who was Gandalf. Third movie had Kelsey Grammer as the Beast.

The franchise is expanded with a few origin movies. First is Wolverine’s. It also ties in with the second X-men movie.


“the X-men Aliens “

Don’t forget the Brood, and the Kree who were the main enemies of the Skrull. The X-men did have dealings with Skrulls from time to time since the Skrulls were often involved with other groups on Earth such as Hydra.

Comment #64: tootiredoftheright  on  01/09  at  11:50 AM

Ninjas are more afraid of you than you are of them.
SPOON!!!!

Comment #65: redwards  on  01/09  at  11:58 AM

“Oh no, we just ran over something!”

“Don’t worry, it was only a ninja.”

“Thank God, I thought we’d hit a collie.”

For the Frank Miller fan or hater, Edlund’s “Night of a Million-Zillion Ninjas/Early Morning of a Million-Zillion Ninjas” was pure comedy gold.

Comment #66: Sarcastro  on  01/09  at  12:14 PM

The X-men did have dealings with Skrulls from time to time since the Skrulls were often involved with other groups on Earth such as Hydra.

They were also involved a bit in the Skrull “Secret Invasion” mondo cross-over buy-more-comics-to-get-the-whole-storyline event of this past summer.

Comment #67: Sarcastro  on  01/09  at  12:18 PM

Fucking Joe Quesada.  A lot of people didn’t like what Strazinski did with Spider-Man, hated the spider-spirit, the whole unmasking thing, but they were interesting, exploring where they could take the character.  But Joe and JMS absolutely doublefucked it all to undo all of the “mistakes” of JMS and, by the way, anything else Joe didn’t like from the last 25 years.

So fuck Quesada, and his fucking dad too.  I’d given up on most super-tights comics - it’s an age thing, being over 30.  But that horrid magic-wand waving stupidity sealed it.

And then after Quesada and the writers he brings in reportedly write some of the best Spider-Man stories in DECADES.  And I won’t - can’t - pick Spider-Man up ever again.  Not even when they suck up to Blackazoid.

Joey Quesada, I fucking hate you on a level reserved for Conservative jackasses and vicious treacherous exes. 

and Bill Willingham is a good example of a writer who’s good with his own mythos (Fables), and whom so brilliantly illustrates the limitations of his own politics when he takes them from a fairytale world tot the real one.  Bill’s hyper-rightwing fantasies are great reading in his stories, but absolute fail in reality.

Comment #68: idiosynchronic  on  01/09  at  12:38 PM

The earliest Superman stories as often as not had the Man of Steel going up against crooked landlords and shady businessmen.

Indeed.  In the very earliest issues, he took on war profiteering and the fixing of football games.  But that was before he could fly and became such a complete jerk.

You can view Green Arrow as a Green.

Your point about seeing what we want in characters is generally well-taken, but after a certain point Green Arrow became an unabashed leftist.  He’s probably the guy with the least wiggle room for interpretation.  (I refuse to find out if he’s been re-retconned into something else again.)

Also, Spider-Man is totally lefty and it’s in-character for him to support Obama.

Yeah, the whole “Learn that you’re obliged to help others with your powers rather than simply enrich yourself, even if it turns your personal life to crap” does suggest that Spidey isn’t tops on the schmibertarian reading list.

And I hope this thread demonstrates that it isn’t just Cheeto-stained wingnut mouthbreathers that like <strike>graphic novels</strike> comic books.  Some of us are Cheeto-stained progressive mouthbreathers.  (I have a cold.)

Comment #69: mds  on  01/09  at  12:59 PM

As far as teh art is concerned, Steve Ditko was the original Spiderman artist, and his artwork was really pretty bad.  He got to draw a few issues of the Hulk as well, but for the most part, Marvel kept him strictly tyo Spider-man.

His artwork was sort of stylized, in a way, and he popularized these “positions” for your friendly neighborhood Spider-Man that I don’t think I could have managed even when I was twelve, but he couldn’t draw faces at all, especially female faces.

Comment #70: Dana  on  01/09  at  01:00 PM

As I recall, the main case for Bill Willingham hatred is the fact that shortly after he introduced the first female Robin (as in “Batman and - “) to much fanfare, he killed her off in a sequence best described as torture porn.  He compounded this by responding to the howls of outrage by fans by saying essentially, that he didn’t care as long as it got a reaction.  Personally, my “reaction” to date has been to not buy anything with his name on it.

And where the hell are Obama’s ears,

By Obama’s own admission, he has ears like Alfred E. Neuman, coverboy for MAD Magazine and property of Time Warner, owner of DC Comics.  Marvel ain’t about to give that kind of subliminal leg-up to the Distinguished Competition. wink

Comment #71: damnedyankee  on  01/09  at  01:16 PM

As far as teh art is concerned, Steve Ditko was the original Spiderman artist, and his artwork was really pretty bad.  He got to draw a few issues of the Hulk as well, but for the most part, Marvel kept him strictly tyo Spider-man.

His work on Doctor Strange was pretty awesomely psychedelic.

Comment #72: damnedyankee  on  01/09  at  01:22 PM

I’d given up on most super-tights comics - it’s an age thing, being over 30.

Marvel’s high point was really in the 80s, and they could have made an effort to cultivate that audience—people like you—as the decades went by. Instead they seem to have gone down the path of trying to recycle all of the material to remarket them to a teenage audience. In some cases, this was fine (like in Ultimates), but in other cases, it seems to just be about tearing up the Marvel Universe in order to jettison the audience of readers who had been following them for decades.

Weirdly, Quesada seems to be competent enough to have some good ideas, but he dislikes what makes the Marvel Universe distinctive, and that’s where he ends up doing a lot of damage.

Comment #73: Tyro  on  01/09  at  01:29 PM

The earliest Superman stories as often as not had the Man of Steel going up against crooked landlords and shady businessmen. That was back when Seigel and Schuster first started the book, though the radio show in the ‘40s had the occasional story with the Big Blue Boy Scout whipping the Klan’s ass.

In those early stories, Superman took on a variety of society’s woes on behalf of the underdog:  Prison reform, mine safety, Ponzi schemes, you name it.

The best part about Superman taking on the Klan on the radio is that he was actually fighting them in real life.  Seriously.

Comment #74: damnedyankee  on  01/09  at  01:38 PM

Marvel had to do this, Obama already teamed up with Superman!
http://noquarterusa.net/blog/wp-content/uploads/2008/01/obama-superman.jpg

Comment #75: Marc Mielke  on  01/09  at  01:43 PM

and, btw, THANK YOU Seraph!!!!!!!

You’re welcome.  I really love that strip.  Inventing a new superhero for him is one thing; having him take on the mantle of an American institution like Superman - the iconic superhero - really says it all.  In the 1930’s, EveryAmerican was “born” on a farm in Kansas to Ma and Pa Kent, moved to the big city to make his fortune, and he was white.  In 2008, EveryAmerican is…Obama.

Comment #76: Seraph  on  01/09  at  01:48 PM

And what’s all this talk about who Thor would vote for?  There’s no way he’s an American citizen. 

(Although it reminds me of one story in the early-90’s Sub-Mariner comic where Namor was on trial for his assorted anti-social actions over the years, and Thor took the stand.  For a moment, there was a bit of confusion as to whether it was appropriate for a god to take an oath on the Bible.  He settled it by saying that any oath the court considered binding, he considered binding.  Man’s hand was bigger than the Bible he swore on.)

Comment #77: Seraph  on  01/09  at  01:53 PM

And anyway, it could have been worse.

Comment #78: damnedyankee  on  01/09  at  01:56 PM

Strazinski asked for his name to be taken off of that project because it was so godawful bad.  Apparently he couldn’t write a single “the” without Quesada butting in and demanding story changes, and most of One More Day’s end was written by Quesada himself.  Don’t blame JMS for Quesada’s personal vendetta against MJ.

I prefer when editing is done by professionals who want readable stories, instead of fanboys with personal axes to grind.

Comment #79: Godless Heathen  on  01/09  at  02:50 PM

Havok ensues.

Alex Summers ensues?  wink  (Sorry, although it’s spelled with a c whenever it isn’t somebody’s code name.  Anyway, that stuff you listed would be pretty awesome.)

Wonder Woman endorsing a hard-right Republican solely because he’s a “warrior”

Oh yeah, RIGHT.

Gail Simone, who is currently writing Wonder Woman, answering the question of whether Wonder Woman is a conservative Republican:

“No way.”

Comment #81: Rob, the Canadian Gaffe Machine  on  01/09  at  02:58 PM

Never can tell with PiaToR, but if you’re serious there’s this neat website at imdb.com where you can find out which actors were in various films.

There were three. All were fairly successfull raking in a few hundred mill in the US each.

I swear, sometimes you people are so dense, it’s amazing fusion doesn’t occur.

Hint hint - where did Anna Paquin go to high school?

Comment #82: Phoenician in a time of Romans  on  01/09  at  03:06 PM

I haven’t read mainstream superhero comics in years, but back in the 80’s, when I was most heavily into this hobby, there was a fair amount of gratuitous ass-kissing directed towards the President at that time, one Ronald Reagan. This happened in Marvel and DC comics both. So there’s nothing new about whoever the current President happens to be appearing in these things. I’d say it’s pretty much an apolitical gimmick.

This latest little tempest in a teapot is just more manufactured “controversy” from the wingnuts.

Comment #83: John D.  on  01/09  at  03:09 PM

Yeah, I *had* been reading alot of alex summers recently, when I went on an X-men binge for a sec.  Freudian slip.

Comment #84: shah8  on  01/09  at  03:13 PM

A little off-topic but still on the subject of comics and politics: Peter David is totally in favour of what Israel’s doing.  Look at it.

This was really depressing and frustrating to me because up until now David was consistently liberal: against the invasion of Iraq, against torture, worried about global warming, pro gay rights, and so on.  How a guy like that could be against a bloody and brutal military action like the Iraq war but support a different bloody and brutal military action like Operation Cast Lead just because in the case of the latter it’s Israel instead of the U.S. doing the invading and bombing….totally fucking baffles me.

The worst thing I’m aware of that P.A.D. said is the following:

“And honestly? I’m not sure what constitutes a civilian anymore. They’re indoctrinating their children into a philosophy that says Israel must be wiped off the face of the earth. You read about the Hamas leader whose children were killed in the raid and your first thought is, “Oh, those poor children”...except last year that same leader sent one of his own sons on a suicide bombing raid to blow up Israeli civilians.”

I used to respect the hell out of this guy.  Now?  He seems like the biggest douche on the planet.

Comment #85: Rob, the Canadian Gaffe Machine  on  01/09  at  03:19 PM

How a guy like that could be against a bloody and brutal military action like the Iraq war but support a different bloody and brutal military action like Operation Cast Lead just because in the case of the latter it’s Israel instead of the U.S. doing the invading and bombing….totally fucking baffles me.

Yeah, I’m really disappointed in President-elect Obama, too.

Comment #86: mds  on  01/09  at  04:03 PM

Yeah, I’m really disappointed in President-elect Obama, too.

Ah shit, has Obama said Israel’s just defending itself too?  All I’d heard was that he’d said nothing until recently, and then he said that he was “deeply concerned” about the civilian deaths on both sides without elaborating on whether anybody in particular started this and whether Israel had responded appropriately, etc.

I do remember reading about him saying Israel had a right to defend itself when it attacked Lebanon, and that made me reconsider whether either candidate deserved my vote via absentee ballot, but eventually he won me back.  I’ve been hoping he wouldn’t do anything to make me regret it.

Comment #87: Rob, the Canadian Gaffe Machine  on  01/09  at  04:24 PM

And as long as I’m stuck in ubergeek mode, I feel compelled to point out to Amanda that it’s
“Spider-Man” and not “Spiderman”.

Yes, I am often considered to be annoying.  I’m told that there are pills for that.

Comment #88: damnedyankee  on  01/09  at  05:04 PM

Coincidentally (and a little OT,) Steve Ditko wrote stories about a character named “Mr. A” who was an Objectivist super-hero. Basically he was a guy in a mask who talked thugs to death (or so it seemed to me…).

Comment #89: LeftFields  on  01/09  at  05:13 PM

A few things..
1.  It is really, really strange to see someone else from the same shop I go to in Columbus (Laughing Ogre) here.  It is a small, small, world.
2.  Presidents appearing in comics is a longstanding tradition.  Hell, Ronald Reagan starred in his own comic, as a freaking super-hero, in 1987 (Reagan’s Raiders).  Reagan was also involved in a supernatural battle at the White House (Phantom Stranger mini series) and he and the wife were involved in gun battle against the Gorbachevs at one point (Action comics I think..).  Kennedy showed up in a number of comics.  Dubya was mocked openly in the “Rawhide Kid” and others.  Ike made it into a few., and Nixon appeared in the Watchmen..  I’m not sure I can think of any presidents since the 1940s that haven’t appeared in comics.

I remember back oh so many eons ago when the President was a symbol of the nation and not the political party he came from.  Oh the innocence of those long-ago days.

Comment #90: PopeImpiousXXIII  on  01/09  at  06:10 PM

Coincidentally (and a little OT,) Steve Ditko wrote stories about a character named “Mr. A” who was an Objectivist super-hero.

Ditko’s The Question was also an objectivist superhero, although Dennis O’Neal altered him into a more zen-like guy after DC acquired Charlton. The Question is also who Rorschach in Watchmen was originally supposed to be when the story was first floated as a way to use the old Charlton characters.

Comment #91: Sarcastro  on  01/09  at  06:23 PM

The Question is also who Rorschach in Watchmen was originally supposed to be when the story was first floated as a way to use the old Charlton characters.

That’s interesting that they put objectivism and fascism on the same end of the conceptual continuum.

Comment #92: KL  on  01/09  at  06:33 PM

That’s interesting that they put objectivism and fascism on the same end of the conceptual continuum.

because they’re the same thing. Objectivism is what happens to fascists who aren’t charismatic enough to get popular support.

That said. The Question stopped being Objectivist quite a while ago. then he turned into a Spirit-Journey travelling zen master urban mystic. Then he kind of split the difference and was just generally badass. Who was inspired to superheroics by reading Watchmen, and only after trying to emulate Rorschach does he realize how much Rorschach sucks.

Comment #93: karpad  on  01/09  at  07:38 PM

Then he kind of split the difference and was just generally badass. Who was inspired to superheroics by reading Watchmen, and only after trying to emulate Rorschach does he realize how much Rorschach sucks.

karpad, for serious?  That sounds like about the most interesting superhero I’ve heard of lately.

Comment #94: Caroline  on  01/09  at  07:45 PM

Hint hint - where did Anna Paquin go to high school?

Was it somewhere they eat fush and chups?

Comment #95: Dolbia  on  01/09  at  08:57 PM

That sounds like about the most interesting superhero I’ve heard of lately.

Well, that was the original Question.  He’s since passed the mantle to Renee Montoya, formerly of the Gotham police force.  Who happens to be a lesbian.

Is that better or worse?

Comment #96: Seraph  on  01/09  at  09:08 PM

But I suppose most right wingers would not consider liberal churches legitimate churches.  Look at the vicious debate about Unitarians that erupted after the Kentucky shooting.

And more recently, look at the CADC’s “Top 10 Christian-Bashing Incidents of 2008” wankfest again. They included the president-elect on THE LIST™ simply for the “crime” of subscribing to a theology to the left of Torquemada. They even have a series of videos denouncing him as insufficiently “Christian.”

Comment #97: J. A. Baker  on  01/09  at  09:18 PM

Is that better or worse?

I think it largely depends on who is writing her.  In general, I’d like to think that introducing more gay characters into a comic book universe is a good thing, but it seems to me that much of the lesbianism in mainstream superhero comics seem designed to appeal to the masturbation fantasies of 14-year old boys (or, you know, men in their thirties who still have the erotic imaginations of 14-year-old boys).  I’m reminded of a sequence in—I think it was 52—where Montoya and some super-hot girl she’d picked up at a bar are attacked at Montoya’s apartment, and they’re both wearing frilly lingerie ‘cause, y’know, they were totally doin’ it.  The whole seemed really juvenile to me.

Of course, I suppose the depictions of heterosexual women in mainstream comics often aren’t much better…

Comment #98: Bradley  on  01/09  at  09:24 PM

“Presidents appearing in comics is a longstanding tradition.  Hell, Ronald Reagan starred in his own comic, as a freaking super-hero, in 1987 (Reagan’s Raiders).”

X-Presidents ftw.

Comment #99: preying mantis  on  01/09  at  10:04 PM

I’ll bite, Piator. Did you go to high school with Anna Paquin?

Comment #100: Auguste  on  01/09  at  10:20 PM

PopeImpiousXXIII
Hi! you’re right - it is kinda weird to see someone else who live in Cbus, and who goes to the Laughing Ogre )in a good way!) i don’t go very often, its probably been a year since i’ve been. i used to ALWAYS be at Ravenstone, though smile
all because the guy who used to own Comic Town is a misogynistic ass…

do you game at all? or only do comics? if you game, it seems to me you are kinda pre-vetted as a resident of Pandagon smile

i wonder if we actually know each other? that has happened to me before, although never on a feminist site…

everyone else - sorry for the totally OT

Comment #101: denelian  on  01/10  at  03:06 AM

karpad, for serious?  That sounds like about the most interesting superhero I’ve heard of lately.

Q is awesome.

and dead. sorry. He died, after spending a year grooming Renee Montoya to be his successor. this has met with varying degrees of outrage, from “how dare they take a character that was a white male and replace him with a minority using the title! she’s a lesbian AND hispanic? PC NAZIS BRAWRL” to “he was one of my favorites and they’re killing him and replacing him. while it’s not fair to judge her as inferior without giving her a chance, I don’t really care if it’s unfair, it’s no different than disliking a dog your parents bought to make you forget about the one that got hit by a car.” to mine “I liked him okay, but no one really cared about him enough to actually support any book he was in, and a year long major story arc in a top selling title is about as respectful a sendoff as a character can get.”

of course, then they drop her right into the Final Crisis stuff, which is just silly. The Anti-Life Equation is a McGuffin. when you put it on screen and use it, it turns silly.

Comment #102: karpad  on  01/10  at  03:22 AM

“Keep the politics out” is something I hear a lot as a film reviewer.  And I just laugh.  When film reviewing ceases to be a form of cultural criticism, I’ll hand in my card—and when films start to be made by robots in an apolitical vacuum, I’ll be too distracted by the flying pigs to write much. 

And Amanda gets it: since my online mag purports to being “left-leaning” (ish), that comment naturally always comes from someone on the right.

Comment #103: Ranylt  on  01/10  at  10:19 AM

Karpad, that sounds an awful lot like fanboys’ reception wrt the new Blue Beetle. It wouldn’t matter if Ted Kord came floating down on a cloud to the clarion call of angels and proclaimed that Jaime Reyes was a worthy successor, these guys would still bitch (which is a shame, because the new series is quite enjoyable). Not to mention the internet wankery over the Spanish issue that came out last summer. It doesn’t matter that the series takes place in freakin’ El Paso, it was still called “language propaganda” or something ridiculous like that.

/DC geekery

Comment #104: kater  on  01/10  at  05:31 PM

Kater, I recall much of that. the comics community I tend to take part in has reached the stage of “he isn’t ted’s successor, he’s the successor of that FIRST GUY who no one remembers. and he owns it.”

concession is if Ted came back, he should get out of superheroics directly and become a coach/lifementor/quartermaster for Jaime and the rest of the teen titans. sort of like a less magic-internet version of Oracle.

I see “The Poor Man’s Batman” as training “robins with less angst” which sounds good to me. Because goddamn if Jaime hasn’t proven himself at this point.

Comment #105: karpad  on  01/10  at  11:54 PM

You know, I just remembered something that happened in an old issue of Uncanny X-Men today.  Issue #201 to be precise.  Here’s what happens in it, courtesy of uncannyxmen.net…

In the garden the X-Men and New Mutants play base-ball…Colossus (hits) the ball up in the air with Rogue (flying after it and) catching it just as the presidential plane flies above the school; the astonished Ronald Reagan looks at Rogue, who blows him a kiss, and suggests to his staff not to talk the incident.

Reagan got an air-kiss from Rogue, Spidey gets a fist bump from Obama.  Fair’s fair, guys. wink

Comment #106: Rob, the Canadian Gaffe Machine  on  01/11  at  02:28 AM
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