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Conservative claims ignorance, says the bestiality argument hasn’t been used against gays

Someone please show conservative Donald Douglas how to use “the Google”?

In a response to the still hot-post about the Blankenhorn and Rauch NYT op-ed, “A Reconciliation on Gay Marriage,” he had an objection to this observation that I made:

Sorry to say, our opponents are acting in bad faith. They attempt to sway positions with outright lies, such as conflating homosexuality with bestiality, thus leading to, say, man-goat nuptials, something that has nothing to do with any sane religious conviction, btw. That’s extremism and intellectually bankrupt fear-mongering.

Douglas went on to make this fantabulously mind-blowing statement:

Actually, Pam Spaulding imputes things to the traditionalist side that are virtually unheard of outside of the radical left’s fever swamps? Bestiality? I’ve been blogging about this issue for months, and I can’t recall the word ever being used by conservatives, or anything close to it. Not only that, where Blankenhorn and Rauch eschew taking sides, Spaulding adopts the stance of victimology. But Indeed, those “misunderstandings” on definition of marriage are found among gay rights advocates on the left, not of traditionalists, so her point’s evasive, if not dishonest.

BZZZZT. Wrong answer. I was about to compile a nice set of educational materials for Mr. Douglas, but repsac3 @ What’d I Say? beat me to it, posted it to Donald Douglas’s blog as a comment and—poof—it was deleted—gasp—what a surprise. But you can see the examples he passed on below the fold.

Um, Donald… You need to pay more attention to the things your conservative brethren are saying. There’s 2 former Republican presidential candidates among the rightwing folks using that very analogy:

From Homosexual Marriage to Bestiality: “U.S. Senator Rick Santorum (R-Pa.) touched off a media firestorm in 2003, when, in an interview with an AP reporter, he suggested that allowing same-sex marriage was a strategic descent down the slippery slope toward acceptance of other perversions, such as incest, pederasty, and bestiality.”

Huckabee: Gay Marriage Could Lead To Pedophilia, Bestiality, Polygamy: “Well, I don’t think that’s a radical view to say we’re going to affirm marriage. I think the radical view is to say that we’re going to change the definition of marriage so that it can mean two men, two women, a man and three women, a man and a child, a man and animal. Again, once we change the definition, the door is open to change it again. I think the radical position is to make a change in what’s been historic.”

Audio: We’ll compare you to anything we want.  And if you call us out on it, we’ll compare you to “spinners”: “Rev. Jerry Falwell Jr. makes the gay/brother-loving/sheep-schtupping connection, and Matt Barber defends it/ denounces anyone who would dare be offended by it:”

California Supreme Court Legalizes Gay Marriage, Polygamy, Polyamory, Man-Boy Love, Bestiality, Necrophilia . . . (The Virtual Abbey)

Kathyrn Jean Lopez: Gay Sex Is Like Bestiality | Oliver Willis: “National Review’s Kathryn Jean Lopez has a Rick Santorum moment and says the reason a bestiality case happened in Massachusetts is because of gay marriage. Conservatism and bigotry, their status as synonyms just hasn’t been officially recognized yet. By the way, Lopez is Mitt Romney’s biggest supporter at National Review, any surprise”

Race for Governor marred by bestiality comparisons: “The contest to become Governor of Colorado has been rocked by comments from a Republican candidate comparing gay marriage to bestiality.”

States to Vote on Incest and Bestiality | Up My Own Ass

You are the weakest link, Donald….goodbye.

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Posted by Pam Spaulding on 08:21 PM • (16) Comments

I think the easiest way to find examples of this is google “marry my dog.”

Comment #1: oldfeminist  on  02/24  at  08:23 PM

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why would they delete it?
the only reason *I* can think of, is that they want to be able to CONTINUE to say that their side isn’t making the claim that homosex = beastiality, pedophilia, incest and not giving your mom chocolate on Mother’s Day.


(this is my joke, whenever i hear someone say “homosexuality is the same as beastiality” i say “no, from the looks on the participants’ faces, it appears to be better!” but this ONLY works with very stupid people. and does NOT work in regards to pedophilia, because THAT is never funny)

Comment #2: denelian  on  02/24  at  08:29 PM

Hold it! A right-winger lying when it comes to LGBT people and same-sex marriage?

I’m SHOCKED!

Comment #3: MAJeff, the God of Biscuits  on  02/24  at  08:30 PM

What’s the link to Donald’s blog—we could all post the reply, keep him busy deleting it.

Did a google, but Donald’s blog didn’t come up in the first half dozen references, so maybe he’s not that popular.

Comment #4: judybrowni  on  02/24  at  08:40 PM

I updated the post with the link. Here you go…

http://americanpowerblog.blogspot.com/2009/02/reconciliation-on-gay-marriage.html

Comment #5: Pam Spaulding  on  02/24  at  08:46 PM

Thanks for picking this up and for the link to my blog(s), Pam…

Donald’s “thinking” on issues does make the brain hurt, sometimes… Between that & his consistent certainty that he’s right about everything, he is one of the more entertaining (neo)Cons in the blogesphere.

I read other Cons for information & intelligent debate.

American Power is an addictive, guilty pleasure. It’s just too easy…

Comment #6: repsac3  on  02/24  at  09:15 PM

his consistent certainty that he’s right about everything

I can’t endorse engagement with such people—ultimately they just take advantage of the natural open-mindedness and inquisitive nature of the liberal mind. While he says stuff that gives you the natural reaction of, “Hm. Maybe that’s right. Let me consider that,” everything you point out to him is met with open denial and hostility, along with blatant disbelief. they are impervious to facts and just seek to exploit your willingness to consider their facts.

Comment #7: Tyro  on  02/24  at  09:30 PM

this congressional video search shows one result for the term - naturally, it’s santorum saying it on the floor of the senate, and of course he’s quoting scalia…

Comment #8: aphid  on  02/24  at  09:54 PM

I really think that this kind of batsh*ttery is something along the lines of an initiation ritual for wingnuts. Or maybe a continuing proof of commitment. Once you’ve abandoned the factual world in such a clearcut (ahem) way, there’s no going back. It’s like the urban legend about having to commit a murder to become an accredited member of whatever kind of gang scares white people, only so much more wimpy and chump-ass.

Comment #9: paul  on  02/24  at  10:32 PM

my comment, also posting as chibi there:

sooo you’ve already deleted a comment calling you out on your lies. nice to know you cannot be trusted. here again, the evidence that you are blatantly LYING when you say no conservative has equated homosexuality to bestiality. i hope you’re man enough to leave it up. or are you a childish coward, and going to prove it a second time?

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&ei=ra2kSfeyO4jWnQejgc2WBQ&sa=X&oi=spell&resnum=0&ct=result&cd=1&q=conservative+bestiality&spell=1

i hope you’re a real man, my dear. only cowards delete evidence of the truth.

So Donald, are you man or a mouse?

February 24, 2009 6:32 PM

let’s see if it stays up, or if he proves himself a little chickenshit again,.

Comment #10: chibi  on  02/24  at  11:35 PM

My money’s on “chickenshit”.

Comment #11: damnedyankee  on  02/24  at  11:58 PM

What I find most surprising about this is that he implicitly acknowledges that comparing homosexuality to bestiality is offensive. His response to the accusation is not, “Well, it IS like bestiality,” but rather, “We never said that!” It’s not just that he’s lying, or homophobic, or lying about his homophobia. He just unintentionally blew his entire “good faith” cover.

Comment #12: Lauren O  on  02/25  at  02:39 AM

And the thing that’s great about a lot of these examples is that it’s not just Right-Wing Intarweb Cranks who say these things.  It’s the leading lights of the GOP.  You have to just laugh at this fool.

Comment #13: Rumblelizard  on  02/25  at  05:22 AM

I love it when they just describe themselves while insulting others.  They really don’t understand that other people tell the truth and expect facts in debates.  They really believe that you just pull shit out of your ass and say whatever you want, and that if you say it long and loud enough, people will believe you.

They have been right far too often, but I think the tide is turning.  Too many people actually know or are related to gay people.  They can’t delete every comment to their blogs before others see them, and ‘the Google’ is not their friend.

I’m really just stunned that they outright lie about things they say.  Nothing is ever gone with the internet.  Good god, Santorum’s name got repurposed precisely because of bestiality comparisons.  His nickname is “Man-on-dog”.

Comment #14: Caren-Sun-blocking Creator of Animorphic Pancakes  on  02/25  at  08:44 AM

Maybe this guy isn’t lying, but just has extremely low reading comprehension and/or computer literacy.  It’s easy to be oblivious to the world around when you have such low intelligence.

Comment #15: bananacat  on  02/25  at  06:04 PM

Caren said:
They really believe that you just pull shit out of your ass and say whatever you want, and that if you say it long and loud enough, people will believe you.

Except, as you said yourself, they often do.

Comment #16: maatnofret  on  02/25  at  06:47 PM
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