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Country-western family friendly?

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Matt had been hearing a lot about the dark underbelly of the internet that is Big Hollywood, so he went to check it out and was immediately rewarded with this incoherent rant from Brian Cherry about the danger Miley Cyrus poses to America.  It seems Cherry believes Cyrus is a mole designed to lure good Christian country fans into thinking unclean thoughts by pretending to be a good girl but actually being a naughty temptress.  There are many problems with this argument, starting with the fact that Miley Cyrus doesn’t play country western music, as far as I can tell. 

I can picture the steps that led Cherry to write this rant.  I’m sure that the level of success reached by a dimwitted teenager spawned by a talentless hack annoys him.  I can sympathize.  But since he’s a member of the wingnut tribe, he believes that everything goes back to the tireless struggle between good conservatives and evil liberals, so he assumes his annoyance must be political in nature.  Also, she’s female, and that reminds him of how much he hates that genuinely good band the Dixie Chicks.  Thus, stupid rant. 

But I think Matt and his commenters missed what was really awesome and hilarious about Cherry’s rant.  The commenters at Matt’s immediately went to listing a number of famous non-Dixie Chicks liberal musicians (forcing me to point out to them that they forget Dolly Parton), and Matt didn’t really interrogate the source of Cherry’s claim that Cyrus is some sort of leftist Trojan horse, which is her sexy naughtiness.  Which is what he has to lean on, because Cyrus probably knows less about politics than she does about writing songs.  So in order to make his already-incoherent argument not sound even more incoherent, Cherry hangs his complaint on a verifiably false assertion—-that country western music is “family friendly”. 

Listing the liberal country musicians out there misses the point, since a lot of them have historically locked horns with the country music establishment, which Cherry is correct to assume is pretty conservative.  But conservative isn’t the same thing as “family friendly”.  For example, Loretta Lynn’s songs have always acknowledged the existence of sex, but she didn’t really face the radio censors until she released a song celebrating the birth control pill.  And this was a woman who wrote a song where the narrator suggests that if her husband wants to come home drunk and ready to fuck, that he should stay in town—-and it’s implied that he should pick up a hooker instead.  Cheating, drinking, murdering: all considered common, respectable topics for country song.  (Unless the Dixie Chicks do it, of course.  Then everyone acts like story songs about murder are all of a sudden super offensive.)  I ran a Genius list off the song “Jolene” (which implies infidelity, divorce, and seduction for the hell of it) to generate a goodly mix of country western songs just out of my collection, and I got this:

*A song about fighting by Johnny Cash.
*A song about being left by a cheater by Patsy Cline.
*Ramblin’-ness by Waylon Jennings.
*A song about drinking yourself to death by Ernest Tubb.
*A song about infidelity by June Carter Cash.

Just to name a few.

But Amanda!, you might say.  You’re talking about that old country. Maybe nowadays mainstream country has cleaned up its act?  This is a very good question, one that will take some research from me, because my relationship to what’s going on in mainstream country western has grown distant and weak ever since I stopped going to the honky tonk I used to sing karaoke at all the time.  However, I did used to hear a lot of modern country western just a few years ago, and it seemed that the drinking-cheating-violence thing was still going strong.  The main thing that changed was there seems to be an uptick is songs insisting that the singer is more redneck than thou, a classic case of protesting too much that really points to how much country western music is about generating a nostalgic fantasy more than reflecting a lived reality.  But I digress.  I decided to look at the Billboard country western charts and the lyrical content therein to see if country radio can really be considered “family friendly”.  I even listened to some of them.  Here to serve!


1) “American Honey” by Lady Antebellum. It’s hard to say what the hell this song is about, but it seems to be about innocence (read: virginity) lost.  But it’s definitely shot through with longing for innocence, and is a drag.  So, point to salvation.  I’d call it a draw for acknowledging virginity, but it’s so cloaked lyrically that it’s hard to tell what she’s talking about, so they get to keep the point.

2) “Highway 20 Ride” by Zac Brown Band. This is a song from a man to his son explaining that he’s sorry the divorce was painful, but it had to happen.  Objectively pro-divorce!  Point, sin.

3) “‘Til Summer Comes Aroun” by Keith Urban. This song is about a fleeting love affair between the heartbroken narrator and a woman who appears to be a love ‘em and leave ‘em type.  This song is not only sinful, but it’s really not even that conservative, since the naughty girl is portrayed as a love object and not criticized.  Point, sin.

4) “Ain’t Back Yet” by Kenny Chesney. This song is about a ramblin’ man, and even references “Ramblin’ Man” by Waylon Jennings.  Ramblin’ is sinful behavior, but the narrator claims no regrets.  He talks about walking out to buy cigarettes and never going back, which is about the worst way you can break up with someone.  It’s also got scandalously sexy lyrics:

She was a cut offs pepper sauce queen
Man, we were matches and gasoline

Big point, sin. Alas, while this song has fun lyrics, it sucks major monkey balls.

5) “Gimme That Girl” by Joe Nichols.  This song is an ode to a woman being beautiful without hair and make-up, one that’s supposed to make women swoon but probably just annoys them, because of course it demands that you be beautiful without your make-up on.  It annoyed me, but then again, it sucked, so it was hard not to let that color my feelings towards the lyrics.  This song also has suggestive imagery:

Gimmie that girl lovin up on me,
old t-shirt and a pair of jeans

Sex is still sex when you’re wearing ratty clothes.  Point, sin.

6) “The Man I Want To Be” by Chris Young.  This song is about a man praying to be a better man to win a woman’s love.  It’s god-heavy, and his conception of what a good man is can be best described as “bland”. Point, salvation.

7) “A Little More Country Than That” by Easton Corbin.
This is in the category of protest-too-much songs where the singer brags about how country they are.  These songs usually have one redeeming quality, which is that they often rock out a little more than most country songs, but this one fails on that count.  It’s super boring, and a marriage proposal to boot.  I’m giving this one to salvation, because the narrator talks about how he’s not a cheater. 

8) “Temporary Home” by Carrie Underwood.  This is basically “Runaway Train” reimagined as country western.  Underwood has definitely contributed to the long tradition drinking-cheating-violence songs with “Before He Cheats”, which was a kind of fun song about a woman who trashes her boyfriend’s car as punishment for his cheating.  This song is not so fun.  However, it is sympathetic to a single mother living in a halfway house.  On the other hand, it’s impossibly corny and mentions god in it.  Point, salvation.

9) “Gotta Get To You” by George Strait. I’ll admit, I got a little excited when I reached this song in the list, because the unending pile of suck I had endured might be relieved by Strait, who has some good songs in the catalog.  This was not one of them.  This is a love song, but it’s lyrically empty.  Point, no one.

10) “Keep On Loving You” by Steel Magnolia. Simply putting a steel guitar in your music doesn’t really make it country, in my opinion. Sorry, Steel Magnolia.  This song is a pretty explicit song about sex of the “having it all night” variety.  I blush to reprint some of the lyrics:

So why don’t you lay right here
Let me just ease your mind
I’m givin’ you all my time
I’m gonna keep on, keep on loving you
Strong and slow, wherever that you want me to
Maybe my whole life through

The last lyric makes it clear—-these are unmarried lovers who are Doing It, and they don’t even have a lifetime commitment of any sort yet.  Plus, the lyrics suggest that they call in sick so they can keep fucking all the next day.  Big time point for sin.

So there we have it.  Ten songs, and half of them are sinning songs.  Country western music hasn’t ever been especially family-friendly, and I don’t think that it’s changed its stripes in the past couple of years.  Which is just as well; it wouldn’t be very popular if its lyrical content fell too far out of its target audience’s life experiences that include boozing it up, sleeping around, adultery, and divorce.  The point is that I hardly think Miley Cyrus is some jezebel that will bring the sex-free Disneyland of country radio to its knees.  If that’s Cherry’s concern, the damage has already been done. 

 

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Posted by Amanda Marcotte on 03:49 PM • (99) Comments

Country music is “family friendly” because it’s music made by white people for white people*, or at least it’s perceived that way by a lot of its fans. I’m convinced the main reason for the popularity of country music amongst suburbanites, both Southern and elsewhere in the country, was because certain groups of white folks desperately needed something that had no influence from black music. Thus, the late ‘90s/early Aughts were full of songs lauding small-town life, particularly never leaving said life, and being “jes’ plain folk”.  I haven’t paid much attention to the genre - on any new music ‘cause I’ve become that guy - but a brief stint in a country cover band last year found me playing a song by Joe Nichols called “Tequila Makes Her Clothes Fall Off”, and the video includes a naked old lady. So there’s that.

Obviously, though, these people trumpeting country’s moral superiority in lyrics never, one, thought about what “cheatin’ songs” actually implied, and, two, never heard of Conway Twitty. He had songs about deflowering virgins and tempting married women, and they were AWESOME. And hell, fratboy favorite David Allan Coe set out what made for the perfect country & western song years ago.

* Been a long time since Charley Pride or even Cleve Francis.

Comment #1: Matt T.  on  04/19  at  05:38 PM

I have always found it funny that my husband hated most C/W and was much more an AC/DC, Monkeys, Diana Summers (hell even ABBA) listener when I met him literally just off the farm nearly 28 years ago; while his nieces and nephews, mostly small town/city reared are all country music fans though the 5 boys actually raised on a farm are also into heavy metal (the eldest insane for Metallica and on down from there).

Comment #2: helen w. h.  on  04/19  at  05:39 PM

Heh.

I doesn’t get more country than “I turned twenty-one in prison, doing life without parole.”

I know quite a few country songs related to calling in sick to screw, or wishing you could.  I am now tempted to see what else is in the top 100.  Those top 10 are mostly pretty bad.  Highway 20 ride is pretty good.

Comment #3: lonespark  on  04/19  at  05:40 PM

I think you’re right, and I’d add that I think a lot of its appeal is that it makes a bunch of people who’ve possibly never ridden a horse in their lives feel like they’re the salt of the earth.  I honestly like a lot of country-western, but it’s always been riddled with this nostalgia and identity politics.

Comment #4: Amanda Marcotte  on  04/19  at  05:41 PM

Speaking of black artists, has anyone heard of Trinni Triggs and know what the hell he’s up to lately?

Comment #5: lonespark  on  04/19  at  05:42 PM

But! But! Miley Cyrus was in a movie and she made doe eyes at a hot boy!

We’re in Gomorrah!

TOTAL GOMORRAH I TELL YOU!

Comment #6: Falconer  on  04/19  at  05:42 PM

helen w.h.

That reminds me of a friend of mine who grew up in small AZ town and said going to prison in his 20s wasn’t so bad, because it got him out of there.  That town has a great country station.  Said friend hates country music with violent passion.

Comment #7: lonespark  on  04/19  at  05:44 PM

Well, that’s the thing.  Matt’s clearly missing the forest of Gomorah’s Top 100 for the Miley Cyrus tree.  But he’s not entirely wrong.  The Disney Formula - take a petite young teenager, market her aggressively to the pre-teen / teen demographic on TV, radio, and film, then slowly sex her up as she gets older until she’s dry humping a Pepsi or stripping for Vogue magazine - has seen a solid three iterations easy.  Miley Cyrus is just another in a long line of faux-Christian product.

If Matt’s feeling scammed, he’s got good reason.

But rather than realize what every Hollywood critic and Daily Show anchor and South Park creator has been trumpeting for years now - that Disney and it’s corporate partners are vile amoral parasites, feasting on the innocence of children to turn a quick buck - he goes to the same old ideological well, grabs a big handful of Nixonian “The liberals done did it!” rhetoric, and lashes out at his favorite class of scapegoat.

It’s not the soda companies or the cable TV or the fashion designers or the movie producers who are to blame.  It’s the “liberals” and their lack of “values” who are everywhere and always bent on destroying your little girl for diabolical religious reasons.

:-p

Comment #8: Zifnab25  on  04/19  at  05:44 PM

You could probably do an entire set of country songs celebrating the inhibition-loosening powers of tequila.

Comment #9: Amanda Marcotte  on  04/19  at  05:45 PM

Which is what he has to lean on, because Cyrus probably knows less about politics than she does about writing songs.

I dunno - how hard is “Mean people suck!”, a profoundly anti-Republican sentiment?

Comment #10: Phoenician in a time of Romans  on  04/19  at  05:47 PM

“And the girls say, save a horse ride a cowboy…”

But Big Kenny is a Democrat, they’ll say.

Same on Tim McGraw and “Red Ragtop,” which is at least sympathetic to abortion if in the “well, it does change things” vein.

Let’s not get started on the vein of “hot country women drinking whiskey” songs.

Comment #11: Laura Clawson  on  04/19  at  05:52 PM

Two things from the article I liked

- “San Francisco values”.  I now have this image of Miley Cyrus and Hannah Montana - um, if anyone wants me I’ll be in my bunk.

- and this goober saying “While I would love to explain to her all the things that are wrong with that statement, the fact is that the odds are stacked against her as a pop star.”  Dude, she’s already a multi-millionaire.  If she stopped singing tomorrow (please, dear God), she’d be able to wipe her ass on hundred dollar bills for the rest of her life, while cackling at idiots like you.

Comment #12: Phoenician in a time of Romans  on  04/19  at  05:53 PM

Didn’t Faith Hill and Tim McGraw campaign for Obama?

Comment #13: Amanda Marcotte  on  04/19  at  05:55 PM

I think that’s the poing Laura Clawson was making, that those songs don’t count because people involved with them are “liberals.”  Tim also said at one point he was interested in a future political career.

Comment #14: lonespark  on  04/19  at  05:56 PM

Wow, that article is hilarioiusly nonsensical.

Comment #15: lonespark  on  04/19  at  05:59 PM

You could probably do an entire set of country songs celebrating the inhibition-loosening powers of tequila.
On that theme, I submit “Last Name” by Carrie Underwood (CMA “Entertainer of the Year”): a song about drinking so much Cuervo that you progress from dancing with a stranger and letting him call you “baby,” to getting a quicky Vegas wedding and presumably sleeping with him, to running off with his car and money.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f27zNlmRMWU

Comment #16: Caro13  on  04/19  at  06:00 PM

That article was funny for a lot of reasons.  “Liberals can’t compete on pop culture.”  “Miley’s career is likely to go the way of that girl who played Lizzie McGuire.” And “everything I know about country music I learned from Jeff Foxworthy.”  Awesome.

The general subject, of marketed Christian girls, reminds me of Britney Spears and Jessica Simpson.

Comment #17: Wallace  on  04/19  at  06:00 PM

From the self-described “perfect country and western song”:

I was drunk the day my Mom got out of prison
And I went to pick her up in the rain
But before I could get to the station in my pickup truck
She got run over by a goddamn train.

Yeah, C&W;is about sin.  But it’s more about the consequences of sin, usually framed as either redemption or resentment - i.e. perfectly tailored to the right-wing “family values” crowd.

Plus, as people have pointed out, the other favorite hobby of the American right - projecting their own identity as “The Real America.”

Comment #18: BABH  on  04/19  at  06:06 PM

Some people get to have “good clean fun.” Other people, well, it’s dirty slutty sinning.

Simple as that.

Comment #19: RickMassimo  on  04/19  at  06:06 PM

Faith Hill definitely performed at the pre-inauguration concert thing, and I believe they contributed to his campaign. And Tim McGraw is always rumored as a possible candidate for TN-Gov.

Part of the thing is, it’s not just that there are liberal country musicians, but it’s actually reflected in their very popular songs. Here I’m thinking of Brad Paisley’s recent one that ends:

I had a friend in school
Running back on the football team
They burned a cross in his front yard
For asking out the homecoming queen
I thought about him today
And everybody who’d seen what he’d seen
From a woman on a bus
To a man with a dream

Chorus:
Hey, wake up Martin Luther
Welcome to the future
Hey, glory, glory, hallelujah
Welcome to the future

Which, as you say, isn’t even the most important point to take out in relation to this particular argument—country has always been all about cheating and drinking and raising (appropriately rural kinds of) hell.  But it feels like an important one to make in relation to the general assumptions about what country is, that it’s a more diverse genre than the stereotype.

On Cherry’s argument, though. Miley Cyrus paved the way for Natalie Maines? Huh?

And when we’re looking at the intersection of sexy naughtiness and appropriate country behavior, can I just say:  Gretchen Wilson.

Ugh. Sorry, the incoherence of that piece seems to be infectious.

Comment #20: Laura Clawson  on  04/19  at  06:07 PM

I’m sure that the level of success reached by a dimwitted teenager spawned by a talentless hack annoys him.  I can sympathize.

Is this vitriol really necessary?  I’d suspect that the cash Miley Cyrus earns from her Hannah Montana shows, clothing line, concert tours, etc probably indicates somebody in that family has some common sense.

Comment #21: CParis  on  04/19  at  06:10 PM

I know I shouldn’t have, but MY GOD I laughed at that Tequila video. Also, am I finally losing it or is that guy kind of hot?

Comment #22: MarinaS  on  04/19  at  06:15 PM

........since when is Pandagon the blog you go to in order to avoid “vitriol”, i.e. making fun?

Comment #23: Amanda Marcotte  on  04/19  at  06:16 PM

See Miley Cyrus is country because her dad was country even though his music wasn’t really country but he looked the part and started a dance craze.  Or you know she’s white, certain conservatives were claiming her as there own to show how popular they really are and then when she ended up being a person instead of a just a marketing widget she must now be turned against for not being what they thought she must be.

Comment #24: Robert  on  04/19  at  06:19 PM

“Keep On Loving You” by Steel Magnolia.

Not an REO Speedwagon cover, I take it.

I started to read the original article.  I got to the dirty-hippies reference in the second sentence, and I stopped reading.

Comment #25: Thlayli  on  04/19  at  06:21 PM

Family friendly? I’ll be over here dying of laughter and singing “Fancy”.

I’m convinced the main reason for the popularity of country music amongst suburbanites, both Southern and elsewhere in the country, was because certain groups of white folks desperately needed something that had no influence from black music.

Bwahahaha! I’m sorry, were you being serious? Country music was shaped by and stole so much from blues I don’t know how anyone could miss it.  I’m sure there are clueless white people out there who think that twang and steel guitars make it some whole new animal, but that just ain’t so.  I think the appeal for white suburbanites is the ability to listen to blues-inspired music without having to deal with actual black artists.

Comment #26: Godless Heathen  on  04/19  at  06:29 PM

Hah. Poor rural people drink and have sex and talk about it and so do rich urban people, stop the presses. I’m always amazed by how much people who put around that red-state American-Heartland image start to believe their own propaganda.

(I don’t like country western because I am a musical grinch in general, but I also feel bad for all the crap it catches, especially since I like the long-form confessional ballad stuff as much as the next person. And I say this as someone who once had to listen to Me and God by Josh Turner three times in a row. Bless you too, old bus driver.)

Comment #27: purpleshoes  on  04/19  at  06:30 PM

Godless Heathen, thank you. I mean, where the heck do those people think the banjo came from?

Comment #28: purpleshoes  on  04/19  at  06:32 PM

Waylon Jennings? David Allen Coe? Family friendly eh?
:D :D Two of the greats. I rarely hear Jennings played and Coe? Forget it. I hate country pretty much except for the so called outlaws.

Comment #29: pitbullgirl65  on  04/19  at  06:33 PM

Simply putting a steel guitar in your music doesn’t really make it country, in my opinion.

Whoever categorizes these things appears to disagree with you.  From what I hear, the C&W;radio format epitomizes Frank Zappa’s dictum “timbre rules.”  If you take out the steel guitar and/or violin and/or nasal twang, over 50% of the so-called “country” songs sound just like rock or adult contemporary.

Case in point, and speaking of black country artists, Darius Rucker has recently found some success writing and recording “country” songs, but they pretty much sound like Hootie & the Blowfish with a backing fiddle.

Comment #30: Cris  on  04/19  at  06:35 PM

“Country music was shaped by and stole so much from blues I don’t know how anyone could miss it.  I’m sure there are clueless white people out there who think that twang and steel guitars make it some whole new animal, but that just ain’t so.”

REAL country music (NOT country & western) is from Appalachia. Redneck central. It wasn’t until it became more and more poular via the Grand ole Opry that other music started influencing it (thus the dreaded “crossover hit”).

Sorry, but growing up in Nashville & knowing so many people in the industry makes this a big sticking point for me.

Comment #31: Mark  on  04/19  at  06:36 PM

Mark, while I acknowledge that your argument is about genre purity, there have been African Americans in Appalachia as long as there have been white people in Appalachia, and I think it’s important and necessary to acknowledge the role of African musical forms and instruments in Appalachian music.

Comment #32: purpleshoes  on  04/19  at  06:49 PM

and I think it’s important and necessary to acknowledge the role of African musical forms and instruments in Appalachian music.

Wait, that doesn’t make any sense.  Are you suggesting all black music is - by definition - “the blues”?

Comment #33: Zifnab25  on  04/19  at  07:03 PM

Wandering around Goodwill stores, which always seem to play C&W;, my observation (ear-servation?) is that C&W;has a lot more Patriotic Songs, and anti-“Other” songs.  Pretty sickening.  On the bright side, I found a 100% cashmere coat for $22.

Comment #34: Kwillow  on  04/19  at  07:12 PM

I thought she was suggesting that the banjo was an African-inspired instrument.  And that traditional Appalachian music is not devoid of the influence of African-Americans.

Comment #35: lonespark  on  04/19  at  07:12 PM

Mainstream country does have quite a few songs to appeal to the persecuted hegemon.  And a fair amount of cognitive dissonance when it sticks up for regular joes.  Travis Tritt kinda makes my head explode that way.

Comment #36: lonespark  on  04/19  at  07:15 PM

Disney video in the Onion:

http://www.theonion.com/video/disney-lab-unveils-its-latest-line-of-genetically,14268/

Money quote: “They look so real!”

Comment #37: Kwillow  on  04/19  at  07:19 PM

Nope, I’m pretty sure I was arguing against a point that no one made, rhetorically known as “muddying the waters” or “lazy reading comprehension”. Godless Heathen was arguing specifically for the contribution of the Blues as an African-American musical form to Country Music as a genre, Mark was arguing specifically against the Blues as component of historical as opposed to contemporary country music, and I was arguing that that original country music also included substantial African-American influence, irregardless of the introduction of the Blues. The influence of African-American history on Appalachia is a hobbyhorse of mine, and I used that hobbyhorse to jump the gun, argument-wise.

Have some metaphors, I’ve got a whole box.

Comment #38: purpleshoes  on  04/19  at  07:19 PM

“Before He Cheats”, which was a kind of fun song about a woman who trashes her boyfriend’s car as punishment for his cheating.

That song annoys the hell out of me.  Maybe because in reality her cute little bit of vandalism would have resulted in a visit from the cops, since she carved her name into his leather seats, the incident probably picked up by the club’s parking lot cameras.  He would have kept right on cheating and she’s be working a second job to repair the damage to his “souped-up 4-wheel drive.”  Also she’s quick to blame the “bleach blond tramp” for his wondering anatomy.

I dunno.  I get the impression some saw it as an empowering song.  Me, I think revenge should look a lot smarter.

And…back on topic, country music has always been about getting drunk and getting laid.

Comment #39: adobedragon  on  04/19  at  07:24 PM

Mark wasn’t denying African inspired influences in country music, just refuting my assertion that country is built on a solid blues foundation.  I tend to lump all country together and I probably should have been more exact and said country & western.  I don’t actually have much exposure to the music Mark is referring to as real country music.

Comment #40: Godless Heathen  on  04/19  at  07:25 PM

(Structural problems with my comment aside, I think the basic point - that Appalachian music sure isn’t inherently white either - is a strong and an important one. White people seem to run away with any genre they can get their hands on, and the cross-cultural history of Appalachian music is one of the things that makes it interesting to me.)

Comment #41: purpleshoes  on  04/19  at  07:26 PM

Tim McGraw is a big-time Democrat. He also references abortion in one of his songs, “Red Rag Top” (there’s debate over whether it’s a positive or negative reference, though I kinda see it as a neutral “it is what it is” thing). Hill’s a Democrat too, I think.

Paisley is relatively apolitical, though he takes suspiciously liberal-sounding attitudes towards the connection between war and oil in this interview article.

Country stars that donated to Obama include Hill, McGraw, Emmylou Harris, Natalie Maines (unsurprisingly), and Bonnie Raitt (OK, more blues than country, but I heard her on country stations so shaddup).

Also, Barry Manilow’s a Democrat. Didn’t see that one coming.

Comment #42: Jeff  on  04/19  at  07:26 PM

Other examples of apostate country musicians: Toby “Boot In Your Ass” Keith supported Obama. Jennifer Nettles of Sugarland is often rumored to be a liberal and played at the 1999 Lilith Fair. Trisha Yearwood is a big Democratic donor. Rumor has it that Garth Brooks (!) is a Democrat. Oh, and Merle Haggard - supposedly some big conservative icon - wrote a big ol’ tribute song to… wait for it… Hillary Clinton. Haggard also apparently considered conservative anthem “Okie from Muskogee” to be a goofy spoof of the rural conservative mindset.

Comment #43: Jeff  on  04/19  at  07:40 PM

Miley Cyrus’s producers seem to live in the 70s.  WTF? O-o

Comment #44: Crissa  on  04/19  at  08:03 PM

This perception of Country Music being for “jus’ folks” and “Real Americans” is probably not helped by the strong anti-Country music bias I noticed growing up in NYC and living in the Northeast. 

With far too many classmates and colleagues, Country music and its fans are often associated with the worst stereotypes of the South….association with rigid social/political conservatism, cultural unsophistication, backward rural/suburban lifestyles, and deeply entrenched anti-intellectualism.  Heck, even some college classmates used the local town residents’ love of country music to illustrate their contempt and disdain for their lack of sophistication and social/political conservative backwardness. 

Noticed this has lessened somewhat recently….but then again….I’ve heard Taylor Swift, Carrie Underwood, and Garth Brooks are really pop acts masquerading as Country music by some oldsters on a guitar forum.

Comment #45: exholt  on  04/19  at  08:41 PM

Not so much family-friendly as patriarchy-friendly? (And of course if you’re heavily into Patriarchy Lite, with Less Violence and More Pretend Choices, those two are defined as the same thing.)

Comment #46: paul  on  04/19  at  09:29 PM

Paul

“Family friendly” means “Patriarchy friendly” to these people.  You have to remember that their “moral values” are racism, bigotry, and sexism.

Comment #47: Antigone  on  04/19  at  09:41 PM

My favorite part of the Big Hollywood article:

...the objective evidence suggests that her brand of Christianity is the sort that got King David and Bathsheba in such hot water.

For being excessively prescient?

Comment #48: Bitter Scribe  on  04/19  at  09:48 PM

“I’m gonna find me a reckless woman
Razorblades and dice in her eyes
Just a touch of sadness in her fingers
thunder and lightening in her thighs.”

Then again, I like my country all smoky barroom, drinking, gambling, reckless women, rodeos and gunfights. My radio dial is stuck at 1990 and earlier.

The idiot has to rant or he’d admit to himself he’s having impure thoughts about a teenager. This is of a piece with the Muslim clerics ranting about immodestly dressed women causing earthquakes.

Comment #49: Angelia Sparrow  on  04/19  at  09:56 PM

FWIW and probably besides the point but Billy Ray Cyrus’s father was a long time member of the Kentucky House of Representatives and was elected as a Democrat and IIRC he was also active with the AFL-CIO

Though that doesn’t mean all that much since so many Kentucky Dems would be Republicans anywhere else but are, shall we say, residual Dems because that’s what everyone was when I was growing up.

Comment #50: dakine100  on  04/19  at  11:05 PM

Totally agree with #49—Miley Cyrus’s biggest fans are twelve and under females and 40 and older males.

Comment #51: kitten parade  on  04/19  at  11:29 PM

Jackson
[url=“http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rsd6WXisgLk”]we got married in a fever
hotter than a pepper sprout
we been thinkin ‘bout Jackson
ever since the fire went out
yeah I’m going to Jackson, gonna mess around…

... when I breeze into that city, people gonna stoop & bow (ha!)
all those women gonna make me, teach ‘em what they don’t know how…[/url]

Comment #52: atheist  on  04/19  at  11:49 PM

I suppose you could say country is family friendly, if you family is comprised entirely of totally dysfunctional, philandering, alcoholic jailbirds.  If you remove the sleeze, they got nothing left to sing about.  that may be why, as Hank III puts it, pop country sucks so bad.

Comment #53: DrDick  on  04/20  at  12:17 AM

Fuck family-friendly country.  At its best, country was the “white blues”, stolen bitterly from the black blues in many ways.  Whiskey river, take my motherfucking mind; gimme Willie and a large side order of Robert Cray and Muddy Waters.

Comment #54: Bruce Godfrey  on  04/20  at  12:29 AM

Garth Brooks campaigns for marriage equality (his sister is a very out lesbian).

Toby Keith has always identified as a “conservative democrat” (whatever that is).

Conservative radio tried to kick Tim McGraw’s ass for that abortion song, and he came out virtually unscathed.  He’s also a declared democrat and has kicked around the idea of getting into politics.

Jennifer Nettles came from the same Atlanta music scene that spawned REM a couple decades earlier - conservative, she ain’t.  (And, she’s like the nicest person ever - met her once through a friend.  And?  Her backup dude is like the hottest dude ever.  Love. The. Hat. **swoon!**)

Which is all only to say, ya never can tell.  It always annoyed me that people equate country with conservative, just because conservatives want country as their own.  Never has been, never will be.  Christ, this is the genre that spawned a whole subset known as “the outlaws”, which include Willie Nelson who is halfway been teabagger (from the IRS POV) and dirty hippie (from the constantly getting nailed with weed in his trailer POV).  The “family value” crapola isn’t even worth arguing - though it is worth the impetus to go dig through the incredibly rich - and very uniquely American - history of this kind of music just for what’s it’s worth.

Comment #55: skylanda  on  04/20  at  12:29 AM

What the hell is it with right-wingers and music?  I still laugh at that Top 50 Conservative Rock Songs list.

Comment #56: themann1086  on  04/20  at  12:44 AM

What the hell is it with right-wingers and music?

Lack of self-perspective and an ironic sensibility.  Everything is interpreted by their own internal dramas - rock music is “theirs” if they can match it to whatever nitwittedness is babbling through their skulls that moment, and humour is only “funny” if it reinforces their stereotypes.

Comment #57: Phoenician in a time of Romans  on  04/20  at  01:11 AM

Bwahahaha! I’m sorry, were you being serious? Country music was shaped by and stole so much from blues I don’t know how anyone could miss it.

I am serious, but I expressed my thought poorly. The people who turned to country music in the ‘90s were, by and large, convinced that there were indeed no influences from African-American music. Look at the broad sweep of country artists, you see one or two black dudes, a handful of Latinos and a whooooole lot of honkies, and that makes ‘em happier than pigs in shit. From the beginning, country and the blues borrowed fairly liberally from each other, but the average peckerwood terrified of the idea that their kids might be listening to the hippety-hop don’t think further back than 10 years anyway.

Comment #58: Matt T.  on  04/20  at  01:36 AM

I had a friend who said she got into country when she had a kid, because she felt she could listen to it and not worry about the kid picking up bad words/phrases, and it wouldn’t be creepy if her kid started singing country lyrics (unlike all those little kids singing and dancing to “I want your sex”, for example).

Now I’m thinking that friend didn’t know what the fuck she was talking about.

Comment #59: jadehawk  on  04/20  at  03:43 AM

“We listen to the radio to hear what’s cookin’
But the music ain’t got no soul
Now they sound tired but they don’t sound Haggard
They’ve got money but they don’t have Cash
They got Junior but they don’t have Hank
I think, I think, I think
The rest is a long time gone”

Comment #60: rea  on  04/20  at  07:10 AM

Cyrus probably knows less about politics than she does about writing songs.

Zing.

Comment #61: damnedyankee  on  04/20  at  07:48 AM

@2 my Diana Ross and Donna Summer got smashed into one, probably from typing too fast and not previewing.  Appologies.

Comment #62: helen w. h.  on  04/20  at  08:31 AM

The wide ranging subjects of C&W;:
from “Mama’s in the graveyard, Papa’s in the Pen” to who’s screwing who to what people are drinking and how they’re dancing and trucks losing breaks as they cross the great divide in a hairpin loaded pass….

Comment #63: helen w. h.  on  04/20  at  08:38 AM

The Lady @22, yeah, he’s kind of hot, but you don’t quite know why.

Comment #64: helen w. h.  on  04/20  at  08:40 AM

Back in the 1980’s I was working as a DJ at a country station in a small West Virginia town.  One of the smash hits of the time was an upbeat ditty called “Halilujuia I Love You So” a duet (forget the artists) extolling the delights of adultury.

Comment #65: Ol_Froth  on  04/20  at  08:55 AM

Any forray I take into modern country music is greeted by a wall of late-70’s white bubblegum pop with steel guitars. Half of the songs are clearly whining about how their “culture” is sacred.

I just wonder how far country heads would pop off over Cowboy Copas’ “Filipino Baby” back in the day.

When the warships left Manila
Sailing proudly o’er the sea,
All the sailor’s hearts were filled with fond regret
Looking backward to this island
Where they spent such happy hours
Making love to every pretty girl they met.

When up stepped a little sailor with his bright eyes all aglow
Sayin, “Take a look at my gal’s photograph”
Then the sailors gathered round him just look upon her face
And he said, “I love my Dark-Faced Filipino.”

Comment #66: I Heart Puppies  on  04/20  at  09:36 AM

I don’t know why the conservative lot don’t simply stick with the “Christian Rock” genre - it’s all Jesus and God and salvation all the time, served up in peppy, uncomplicated guitar and organ riffs that won’t musically challenge anyone, with easy sing-along choruses that won’t trouble white conservative sensibilities.  God music in the 21st century would make Handel weep, but it’s just the right speed for conservative godbags who don’t want anyone questioning the status quo.

Country is all about them drinkin, cheatin’, lyin’ eyes - though it does have a heaping helping of woman hating, so I guess that’s one of the reasons they like it.

Comment #67: attack_laurel  on  04/20  at  09:45 AM

@Mark, oh please. If you listen to the earliest extant recordings of rural music done by the Library of Congress, or to compilations of the same time frame like, “Times Ain’t What They Used to Be,” they are riddled with songs like “John Henry Blues,” “Lonesome Road Blues,” “James Alley Blues,” and on and on and on. John Lomax’s book from the 1910’s is riddled with them. These songs, were recorded around the era of the Grand Ole Opry because they hadn’t been socially valued previously and barely were at that time. But they were much, much older than the 1920’s. So the influence of the blues and other African American musical traditions- hello, the work song!- on country music significantly predates the Opry. There’s no way you can reasonably maintain that country music originated without the strong, strong influence of African Americans, who had always played alongside white musicians. Go watch a copy of “DeFord Bailey: A Legend Lost,” and start to get some idea of what you’re talking about. Yours is revisionist history.

Comment #68: samanthab.  on  04/20  at  10:00 AM

I had a friend who said she got into country when she had a kid, because she felt she could listen to it and not worry about the kid picking up bad words/phrases, and it wouldn’t be creepy if her kid started singing country lyrics (unlike all those little kids singing and dancing to “I want your sex”, for example).

Now I’m thinking that friend didn’t know what the fuck she was talking about.

If your friend and her kid(s) happen to live in the urban/nearby suburban Northeast/West Coast and/or the kid ends up attending a school populated by kids from said regions, I’d also feel sorry for the kid who will be picked on endlessly for singing country songs and treated as if he/she embodies the worst Southern stereotypes. 

Where I grew up and attended K-12, classmates would look at you like you’re a freak from another planet and treat you accordingly.

Comment #69: exholt  on  04/20  at  10:26 AM

Any fool can wear a hat
And not move when they play
But the lonesome howl of the white trash wolf
Can’t be heard today
Burn burn fake cowboys
Vegas showbiz shit
Burn burn Branson too
Sold your soul for a hit

Comment #70: Dr. Squid  on  04/20  at  10:45 AM

Any chance #69 can get converted into bunny videos?

Comment #71: Dr. Squid  on  04/20  at  10:46 AM

This perception of Country Music being for “jus’ folks” and “Real Americans” is probably not helped by the strong anti-Country music bias I noticed growing up in NYC and living in the Northeast.

Since the demise of Y-107, there has been no country music radio station in the New York City area, and not for the first time. This has puzzled some industry observers, for while country music is far from the favorite genre of New Yorkers, there seems to clearly be a market it for it, especially in the suburban and exurban areas; and the sheer size of the NY City market would suggest that even a small audience would be enough to serve one station. As evidence, Garth Brooks’ 1997 free concert in New York’s Central Park drew hundreds of thousands of people, and country and country/pop acts regularly perform in the New York area. That said, often times these venues are filled by non New Yorkers from the hinterlands who flock to the big city by way of promotions through their local country stations. Country 92.5 in Hartford routinely promotes country venues in New York.

Past country music stations in New York have included WJRZ, WHN, WKHK, and the various WYNY incarnations. While none ever dominated the ratings, most did reasonably well for long stretches; indeed due to the New York area’s large population, WYNY had the largest audience of any country station in America. WHN is considered the most listened to Country radio station of all time. A country format with no competition would seem preferable to being the third- or fourth-best urban or adult contemporary station. But as of 2008[update], this has not happened. CNN made a note of that fact when the 2005 Country Music Association Awards show was held in New York City.

Link

But then, of course, exholts’ experience overwhelms all else, including the fact that there are a number of country-western stations in NY state, which I would wager is true for other states in the Northeast as well.

Comment #72: Dark Avenger Guardian Chow Mein  on  04/20  at  10:48 AM

All I know is pre-war Piedmont Blues and Carolina Country are just about indistinguishable save for the recording quality. The record label Okeh had it right back around 1920 when they stopped referring to “Hillbilly Music” and “Race Recordings” and started calling the lot of it “Old-Timey Music”.

We got banjos from Africa, guitars from Spain, mandolins from Italy, dulcimers from Germany and fiddles from Ireland. Like everything else that is truly copacetic, we took what we liked and left the rest (like your salad bar!) with no compunction as to who and where we lifted it from. And that’s why the ‘left’ will always own popular culture, we’re not afraid of new things. Conservatism, by its very nature, can not produce anything truly novel and if you can’t do that then your ass is grass in the marketplace of ideas.

BTW, if you want to listen to some great pre-war blues and country; Honey, where you been so long.

Comment #73: Sarcastro  on  04/20  at  10:53 AM

exholt @45:
I once heard Garth Brooks say in an interview he switch from rock to country when he started going bald because in country you always wear a hat (this was in the 80s).  I’m not sure how serious he was, but he has played rock and pop as well as the country pop for which he is best known.
Jeff, have you ever listened to the later Brooks, or more importantly seen the videos?  Thunder Rolls, Standing outside the Fire?  The first stirred up a big fit amoung C&W;fans.

Comment #74: helen w. h.  on  04/20  at  10:55 AM

REAL country music (NOT country & western) is from Appalachia. Redneck central. It wasn’t until it became more and more poular via the Grand ole Opry that other music started influencing it (thus the dreaded “crossover hit”).

That’s not “Country”, that’s “Old Time”, and it’s (primarily) a fusion of Scottish / Irish folk and “Negro” music. The banjo is directly descended from African instruments, most likely the akonting. I happen to be close personal friends with one of the greatest living exponents / collectors / historians of Appalachian music, and practically every single story attached to every single song includes some reference to “Negro” culture.

Comment #75: Dunc  on  04/20  at  11:00 AM

How family-friendly is “Beer for My Horses”? Lynching as an American value?

Comment #76: catfood  on  04/20  at  11:08 AM

But don’t you see?  It’s ok for Real Americans to behave badly because they’re just Real True Christians so it’s always someone else’s fault.  They’re Real Americans and Real Christians so they’re allowed to cheat and steal and murder because they’re perfect and they can do no wrong.  Those things are only bad when Bad People do them.  Good People are good so everything they do is good by definition, even if it’s the same thing that is bad when a Bad Person does it.

Comment #77: bananacat  on  04/20  at  11:43 AM

Back in the 1980’s I was working as a DJ at a country station in a small West Virginia town.  One of the smash hits of the time was an upbeat ditty called “Halilujuia I Love You So” a duet (forget the artists) extolling the delights of adultery.

That reminds me of an old Tom T. Hall song, “The Little Lady Preacher” which is about lust and hot sex amongst evangelical Christians.

She would punctuate the prophesy with movements of her hips.

Comment #78: ummeli  on  04/20  at  12:02 PM

Comment #39 Abodedragon: I can’t stand that song (Before He Cheats) either. And the bleach blonde tramp blaming is typical sexism.

Comment #79: pitbullgirl65  on  04/20  at  12:03 PM

Just one thought on Miley Cyrus—I don’t think she’s necessarily dumb. All indications are she’s just a fairly ordinary teenager who happens to be famous to a degree that puts her one-hit-wonder dad in the shade.

Comment #80: BrianX  on  04/20  at  02:30 PM

helen w.h. @#75: Yeah, I remember “Thunder Rolls” creating quite the stir - that song came out when I used to listen to country a lot. I remember him singing the third verse at that Central Park concert and thinking it was the coolest thing ever. “Standing Outside the Fire” is one of my favorite songs, but I don’t remember it causing anything more than general fits of awesomeness.

The same album with “Standing Outside the Fire” also has “American Honky-Tonk Bar Association”, which is as close to a right-wing anthem as music had back in those days. That’s why it’d surprise me if Brooks is a Democrat (of course, “We Shall Be Free” is pretty close to being a liberal anthem, so there’s that).

Comment #81: Jeff  on  04/20  at  02:52 PM

You could probably do an entire set of country songs celebrating the inhibition-loosening powers of tequila.

This. I remember being about 7 and singing along with a song about a woman’s wild night with Tequila. The only line I remember now is “Jose Cuervo, you are a friend of mine.” Oh I also remember lines like “Did I dance on the bar? Did I start a fight?” Since my mom was the DJ it never occurred to me that the song was anything but fun. But I’m guessing no one would consider that “family friendly”. Now I have to go find that song.

Comment #82: shakahi  on  04/20  at  02:56 PM

Sorry my html foo isn’t up to embeds, but the two below are the best C&W;song ever written (2 versions, same song.)  Listen to end. 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ap-GLcEixs&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nw1TABbGyfc&feature=related

And this is just for Amanda, Best Tequila song ever:  Chicago style
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XufHK6VI0ps&feature=related

Comment #83: phylosopher  on  04/20  at  04:16 PM

That’s be one of my favorite (guilty)C&W;pleasures Shelly West, a real “bad girl’ of country.  Think she was married to David Frizzell?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ySdRUWYJhsk

“Now I Lay me Dawn to Cheat” sounds real family friendly, doesn’t it?

Comment #84: phylosopher  on  04/20  at  04:23 PM

#86 was for Shakahi - another tequila song.

Comment #85: phylosopher  on  04/20  at  04:29 PM

Knute, unless there was a double-penetration donkey-show shot I didn’t see, the pictures in question were nowhere NEAR pornographic.

PS. Notre Dame football fucking sucks!

Comment #86: Yawgmoth  on  04/20  at  05:40 PM

hey, knuterockne sucks!

Comment #87: phylosopher  on  04/20  at  07:18 PM

Oh, I don’t think you’re plain, knute.  Simple?  Sure.  But not plain.

Kiss me, you mad, impetuous fool.

Comment #88: damnedyankee  on  04/20  at  08:44 PM

But then, of course, exholts’ experience overwhelms all else, including the fact that there are a number of country-western stations in NY state, which I would wager is true for other states in the Northeast as well.

Dark Avenger,

When I cited my experience, I was talking about people who actually lived in NYC or nearby suburbs or other Northeast urban areas and their respective nearby suburbs…like Boston/Cambridge and their immediate suburbs.  Considering how your own quote cited the fact most of the people attending the Country music concerts in Central Park “are filled by non New Yorkers from the hinterlands who flock to the big city by way of promotions through their local country stations”.....our points are not actually in dispute. 

Moreover, I was not talking about Upstate New Yorkers….or other rural residents of Northeast states as I am aware their musical tastes and cultural inclinations do have strong similarities to their southern and midwestern counterparts.  I specifically excluded them both because they aren’t residents of NYC/Boston/Cambridge or their respective nearby suburbs….and in speaking of Upstate New York or many of the rural Massachusetts areas I’ve visited/driven through, the musical tastes and cultural inclinations are practically identical/bear more similarities to those of their southern and rural midwestern counterparts. 

Speaking of Upstate New York in particular…..there was a reason why so many of my high school classmates/acquaintances who visited/worked/attended school there, especially POC half-jokingly remarked how similar it was to the stereotypical deep south….with some acting accordingly by opting to move out/transfer out of their respective upstate New York schools ASAP.

Comment #89: exholt  on  04/20  at  09:52 PM

REAL country music (NOT country & western) is from Appalachia. Redneck central. It wasn’t until it became more and more poular via the Grand ole Opry that other music started influencing it (thus the dreaded “crossover hit”). - Mark

Just because a musical genre is in many ways straight out of redneck central doesn’t mean African-Americans didn’t play a key role in shaping it.  I know the musical biopic genre is played out, but if anybody is due for a biopic its Arnold Shultz: the most influential musician you’ve never heard of.

Comment #90: DAS  on  04/20  at  09:58 PM

exholt @ 92: Surely you know that everyone in NY state is only five minutes from Manhattan! /s

(When I lived and worked in Rome, NY our corporate HR department which was in Bethesda had folks actually suggest “But you can join the HMO they’ve got in NYC!” and actually seemed shocked to discover that we were closer to Boston than to NYC.)

Comment #91: dakine100  on  04/20  at  10:25 PM

I once heard Garth Brooks say in an interview he switch from rock to country when he started going bald because in country you always wear a hat (this was in the 80s).  I’m not sure how serious he was, but he has played rock and pop as well as the country pop for which he is best known.

One common complaint I keep hearing from the guitar forum oldsters is that mainstream country music these days has become a haven for mediocre artists who weren’t able to make it in the more competitive mainstream pop or rock world.  Don’t know how much truth there is to it…but there’s lots of grousing over Garth Brooks and Taylor Swift. 

exholt @ 92: Surely you know that everyone in NY state is only five minutes from Manhattan! /s

Also…so many non-New Yorkers….including several uninitiated college classmates were surprised to find that New York state….and even parts of NYC wasn’t the progressively liberal oasis they were somehow led to believe.  The most disillusioned ones were those who ended up living/working in upstate New York, Long Island, and Staten Island.  rolleyes

Comment #92: exholt  on  04/21  at  02:16 AM

#86 was for Shakahi - another tequila song.

Thank you!

Comment #93: shakahi  on  04/21  at  03:20 AM

When I cited my experience, I was talking about people who actually lived in NYC or nearby suburbs or other Northeast urban areas and their respective nearby suburbs…like Boston/Cambridge and their immediate suburbs. 

No CW fans in the Boston/Cambridge area, huh?

A few seconds of Garth Brooks’s “Two of a Kind, Workin’ on a Full House” was all it took to draw three men still dressed in polo shirts and shorts from a round of golf toward the British Beer Company in Walpole.

“I like country,” said Bob McQuaid of Scituate, talking over the fervent but playful objections of his C&W;-hating friends. “What do I like about country music? The reality. They’re just songs about life.”

In the end, McQuaid’s friends won out, and the three headed home. McQuaid may have lost that battle, but folks like him and the dozen or so bar patrons who sang along and danced to the Country Mile band on that Wednesday night seem to be winning a war for mainstream acceptance of country music in the Boston area

This article is almost 2 years old, but I guess it’s just about illusion because of your experience triumphing over the facts themselves.

and in speaking of Upstate New York or many of the rural Massachusetts areas I’ve visited/driven through, the musical tastes and cultural inclinations are practically identical/bear more similarities to those of their southern and rural midwestern counterparts.

But because they’re not located in the urban centers of the Northeast, they don’t count as CW fans in the Northeast.

You keep reminding me of this quote from “Caesar and Cleopatra” by the Irish writer G.B. Shaw:

BRITANNUS (shocked). Caesar: this is not proper.

THEODOTUS (outraged). How!

CAESAR (recovering his self-possession). Pardon him. Theodotus: he is a barbarian, and thinks that the customs of his tribe and island are the laws of nature.

Comment #94: Dark Avenger Guardian Chow Mein  on  04/21  at  03:28 AM

<blockquote>But because they’re not located in the urban centers of the Northeast, they don’t count as CW fans in the Northeast. </‘blockquote>

No as the cultural/musical taste landscape of the rural regions of the Northeast like Upstate New York are much more similar to/practically identical to those of the rural south or midwest and starkly different from that of their urban/nearby suburban counterparts.  If you compared the cultural/musical taste landscape between NYC and Upstate New York….many would find it surprising that they are part of the same state.  Found a similar dynamic between Boston/Cambridge and the rural areas of Massachusetts I’ve driven through/visited….though the contrast is less stark IME than that between Upstate New York and NYC.

Moreover, I did mention that the anti-Country bias even in the urban areas has noticeably lessened…though by no means ended recently with acts like Garth Brooks and Taylor Swift….though I see a lot of grousing online from oldschool Country fans about whether they’re “really country” or “mediocre rock/pop masquerading as country”. 

It is also interesting that the latest article actually proves my point to some extent as of the three man party…only one person was a fan while the other two were giving him a hard time…albeit playfully.  Most NYC residents IME would not have been so kind in that regard….especially back in the 1980’s and early 1990s.

Comment #95: exholt  on  04/21  at  08:46 AM

It’s all clear now, Knuterockne is really Lou Holtz. He can’t be blamed for his horseshit since he’s 500 years old.

Comment #96: Yawgmoth  on  04/21  at  10:03 AM

Damn, I wanted to post #100.

There are several C&W;stations (much more C than W) out of the greater Boston area.  Because I channel serf while commuting, I know there are also at least two local talk stations (those get the scan button a lot faster as the c&w;stations often have something that can be listened to for at least a song).

Comment #97: helen w. h.  on  04/21  at  10:56 AM

No as the cultural/musical taste landscape of the rural regions of the Northeast like Upstate New York are much more similar to/practically identical to those of the rural south or midwest and starkly different from that of their urban/nearby suburban counterparts.  If you compared the cultural/musical taste landscape between NYC and Upstate New York….many would find it surprising that they are part of the same state.  Found a similar dynamic between Boston/Cambridge and the rural areas of Massachusetts I’ve driven through/visited….though the contrast is less stark IME than that between Upstate New York and NYC.

Thanks for illustrating my point.

Moreover, I did mention that the anti-Country bias even in the urban areas has noticeably lessened.

Not on this thread.

It is also interesting that the latest article actually proves my point to some extent as of the three man party.

Yes, because what NYC residents like and dislike sets the tone for the entire country.

To quote a 19th Century British politician, I wish I was certain about anything as much as you are about everything.

Comment #98: Dark Avenger Guardian Chow Mein  on  04/21  at  11:00 AM

Least family-friendly country song ever-“Fancy” by Reba McEntire.  Turning your 15 year old daughter out as a prostitute. Now that’s values!

Re: african influences in C/W, there are still great african american roots music groups in appalachia etc, check out the Carolina Chocolate Drops for an outstanding example.

Comment #99: buttercup  on  04/25  at  01:05 PM
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