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Daddy D takes the DeLorean into the homo-fantastic future

James Dobson made sure the flux capacitor was firmly in place, and hit the gas, propelling himself into the future to show us the debacle that awaits American when the homosexualists take control. It’s a 16-page melodrama (no, I won’t bore you with it, but the PDF is here). Jeremy said this about the phenomenon:

Yesterday we showed you a nutty “newscast from the future” that the far-right fringe is using to scare voters about a potential Obama presidency. But little did we know that this condemnatory clairvoyancy was less of an isolated incident, more of a sweeping new trend. Perhaps if we were as psychic as they, we would’ve realized that playing fear-mongery soothsayer is apparently the best the social conservatives of ‘08 can come up with in terms of an “October Surprise.”

He opens with breathless fearmongering.

Dear friends,

I can hardly sing “The Star Spangled Banner” any more. When I hear the words, 
O say, does that star spangled banner yet wave
O’er the land of the free and the home of the brave? 

I get tears in my eyes and a lump in my throat. Now in October of 2012, after seeing what has happened in the last four years, I don’t think I can still answer, “Yes,” to that question. We are not “the land of the free and the home of the brave.” Many of our freedoms have been taken away by a liberal Supreme Court and a majority of Democrats in both the House and the Senate, and hardly any brave citizen dares to resist the new government policies any more.

The 2008 election was closer than anybody expected, but Barack Obama still won. Many Christians voted for Obama – younger evangelicals actually provided him with the needed margin to defeat John McCain – but they didn’t think he would really follow through on the far left policies that had marked his entire previous career. They were wrong.

And without further delay, below the fold, the insanity from the mind of Daddy D…
What awaits our country as family-destroying homosexuals and their enablers take over the government—according to James Dobson:

Same-sex marriage

The most far-reaching transformation of American society came from the Supreme Court’s stunning affirmation, in early 2010, that homosexual marriage was a “constitutional” right that had to be respected by all 50 states because laws barring same-sex marriage violated the equal protection clause of the U.S. Constitution. Suddenly homosexual marriage was the law of the land in all 50 states and no state legislature, no state Supreme Court, no state Constitutional amendment, not even Congress had any power to change it. The Supreme Court had ruled, and the discussion was over. This was a blatant example of creating new law by the court, for homosexual marriage was mentioned nowhere in the Constitution, nor would any of the original authors have imagined that same sex marriage could be derived from their words. But it just followed the precedents that had been already set by state Supreme Courts in Massachusetts (2003),2 California (2008),3 and Connecticut (2008).4

President Obama repeated his declaration that he personally was against same sex marriage, but he told the nation that there was nothing now that he could do.  The Supreme Court had ruled, and it was now the law of the land. The President asked the entire nation to support the decision.

After that decision, many other policies changed, and several previous Supreme Court cases were reversed rather quickly — raising the question, “Is America still the land of the free?”

(1) Boy Scouts: “The land of the free”? The Boy Scouts no longer exist as an organization. They chose to disband rather than be forced to obey the Supreme Court decision that they would have to hire homosexual scoutmasters and allow them to sleep in tents with young boys. (This was to be expected with a change in the Court, since the 2000 decision Boy Scouts of America v. Dale, which affirmed the right of the Boy Scouts as a private organization to dismiss a homosexual scoutmaster, was a 5-4 decision, with Stevens, Ginsburg, Souter, and Breyer dissenting even then.) 5

It had become increasingly difficult for the Boy Scouts to find meeting places anyway, because in 2009 Congress passed and President Obama signed an expansion of the Civil Rights Act of 1964, which extended federal civil rights protections to people engaging in homosexual behavior. So the Boy Scouts had already been kicked out of all public facilities. 

(2) Elementary schools: “The land of the free”? Elementary schools now include compulsory training in varieties of gender identity in Grade 1, including the goodness of homosexuality as one possible personal choice.  Many parents tried to “opt out” their children from such sessions, but the courts have ruled that they cannot do this, noting that education experts in the government have decided that such training is essential to children’s psychological health.

Many Christian teachers objected to teaching first graders that homosexuality was morally neutral and equal to heterosexuality. They said it violated their consciences to have to teach something the Bible viewed as morally wrong. But state after state ruled that their refusal to teach positively about homosexuality was the equivalent of hate speech, and they had to teach it or be fired. Tens of thousands of Christian teachers either quit or were fired, and there are hardly any evangelical teachers in public schools any more. 

Non-Christians found this hard to understand. “Why not just teach what the school says even if it’s not your personal opinion? So what? We can’t have every teacher deciding what he or she wants to teach, can we?”

But the Christian teachers kept coming back to something Jesus said: “Whoever causes one of these little ones who believe in me to sin, it would be better for him to have a great millstone fastened around his neck and to be drowned in the depth of the sea” (Matthew 18:6). And they quit by the thousands, no matter what the personal cost, rather than commit what they believed to be a direct sin against God.

In addition, many private Christian schools decided to shut down after the Supreme Court ruled that anti-discrimination laws that include sexual orientation extended to private institutions such as schools,6 and that private schools also had to obey the law and teach that homosexuality and heterosexuality are both morally good choices.
 
(3) Adoption agencies: “The land of the free”? There are no more Roman Catholic or evangelical Protestant adoption agencies in the United States. Following earlier rulings in New York 7 and Massachusetts,8 the U.S. Supreme Court in 2011 ruled that these agencies had to agree to place children with homosexual couples or lose their licenses. Just as the Catholic Charities adoption agency had closed down for this reason in Massachusetts in 2006,9 so all the agencies across the United States have now closed down rather than violate their consciences about the moral wrong of homosexual behavior. 

Christian parents seeking to adopt have tried going through secular adoption agencies, but they are increasingly excluding parents with “narrow” or dangerous views on religion or homosexuality.
 
(4) Businesses with government contracts: “The land of the free”? All businesses that have government contracts at the national, state, or local level now have to provide documentation of equal benefits for same sex couples. This was needed to overcome “systemic discrimination” against them and followed on a national level the pattern of policies already in place in San Francisco, Los Angeles, and Seattle.10

(5) Public broadcasting: “The land of the free”? The Bible can no longer be freely preached over radio or television stations when the subject matter includes such “offensive” doctrines as homosexual conduct or the claim that people will go to hell if they do not believe in Jesus Christ. The Supreme Court agreed that these could be kept off the air as prohibited “hate speech” that is likely to incite violence and discrimination. These policies followed earlier broadcasting and print restrictions that were already in place prior to 2008 in Canada11 and Sweden. 12

(6) Doctors and lawyers: “The land of the free”? Physicians who refuse to provide artificial insemination for lesbian couples now face significant fines or loss of their license to practice medicine, following the reasoning of a decision of the California Supreme Court in North Coast Women’s Care Medical Group v. Superior Court of San Diego County (Benitez), which had been announced August 18, 2008. 13As a result, many Christian physicians have retired or left the practices of family medicine and obstetrics & gynecology. Lawyers who refuse to handle adoption cases for same-sex couples similarly now lose their licenses to practice law.

(7) Counselors and social workers: “The land of the free”? All other professionals who are licensed by individual states are now also prohibited from discrimination against homosexuals. Social workers and counselors, even counselors in church staff positions, who refuse to provide “professional, appropriately nurturing marriage counseling” for homosexual couples lose their counseling licenses.14 Thousands of Christians have left these professions as a result.

(8) Homosexual weddings: “The land of the free”? Church buildings are now considered a “public accommodation” by the United States Supreme Court and churches have no freedom to refuse to allow their buildings to be used for wedding ceremonies for homosexual couples. If they refuse, they lose their tax exempt status, and they are increasingly becoming subject to fines and anti-discrimination lawsuits. 15

(9) Homosexual church staff members: “The land of the free”? While churches are still free to turn down homosexual applicants for the job of senior pastor, churches and parachurch organizations are no longer free to reject homosexual applicants for staff positions such as part-time youth pastor or director of counseling. Those that rejected homosexual applicants have already had their tax-exempt status revoked, and now the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission has begun to impose heavy monetary fines for each new instance of such “discrimination” which, they say, is “contrary to the U.S. Constitution as defined by the Supreme Court.” These fines follow the pattern of a precedent-setting case in February, 2008, in which the Diocese of Hereford in the Church of England was fined $94,000 (47,000 UK pounds) for turning down a homosexual applicant for a youth ministry position.16

(10) Homosexuals in the military: One change regarding the status of homosexuals did not wait for any Supreme Court decision. In the first week after his inauguration President Obama invited gay rights leaders from around the United States to join him at the White House as he signed an executive order directing all branches of the military to abandon their “don’t ask, don’t tell” policy and to start actively recruiting homosexuals.17

As a result, homosexuals are now given special bonuses for enlisting in military service (to attempt to compensate for past discrimination) and all new recruits, and all active-duty and reserve personnel, are compelled to take many hours of “sensitivity training” to ensure that they demonstrate positive attitudes toward those with different sexual orientations and practices. Any who seem hesitant or who object are routinely passed over for promotion. In addition, any chaplain who holds to an interpretation of Scripture that homosexual conduct is morally wrong and therefore does not espouse “mainstream values,” is dismissed from the military.18

This is not “the land of the free” for them.

Shred away, friends…

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Posted by Pam Spaulding on 12:36 PM • (112) Comments

I’m…speechless.
What.
A.
Fucking.
LOON.

Comment #1: Bill S  on  10/24  at  12:46 PM

Wow.

I knew this guy had no clue how courts, legislatures, or the executive worked, but this is pure batshit. This guy is utterly, utterly obsessed with gay people.

Comment #2: Lymis  on  10/24  at  12:48 PM

The Republicans really don’t realize that Obama will be a pretty boring President, do they?

He has no choice. Because even if he’s a boring centrist, people will still scream OMG RADICAL! by virtue of the fact he’s black. It happened to Doug Wilder in Virginia, and I believe it will happen with Obama in his first term at least.

Comment #3: Ben D.  on  10/24  at  12:49 PM

Damn, talk about a one-track mind. Is there nothing about mandatory abortion, stealing children from bigoted parents, ritual animal sacrifice, idol worship, and man-goat-dog three-way marriages? What about Obama’s expropriations? Where are the re-education camps? What about the impending Muslim takeover?
Weak, weak, weak Dobson. You can’t even match the anti-Hillary screed of a few month ago, let alone the magnum opus of reactionary future-gazing The Turner Diaries.

Comment #4: histrogeek  on  10/24  at  12:50 PM

BTW, “boring” isn’t necessarily bad. Dubya has given us a pretty “exciting” last eight years.

Comment #5: Ben D.  on  10/24  at  12:50 PM

October 2012 kind of seems like a nice place to be.

Comment #6: Pansy P  on  10/24  at  12:59 PM

Obviously, the country as a whole felt so strongly that all this stuff was good that they didn’t respond using the 2010 midterm elections to make any changes in Congress.

What’s really clear here is his projection: Just election Obama gives liberals unlimited power, and therefore, liberals immediately eliminated any dissenting opinions in the courts, publishing, education, law enforcement, and the military, and started arresting people for their dissenting views.

Pretty clear what his fantasies of unlimited Christian political power would look like.

Comment #7: Lymis  on  10/24  at  01:00 PM

At least he didn’t mention our plans for an all-gay military.

Comment #8: INTPagan  on  10/24  at  01:01 PM

Isn’t foretelling the future a kind of sorcery?  I’m afraid Dr. Dobson has to be defrocked, racked and burned at the stake as soon as possible.  Regretable, of course, but true religion has to defend itself.

Comment #9: Vile Whig  on  10/24  at  01:01 PM

Ok, one shred pulled randomly from this garbage:

These fines follow the pattern of a precedent-setting case in February, 2008, in which the Diocese of Hereford in the Church of England was fined $94,000 (47,000 UK pounds) for turning down a homosexual applicant for a youth ministry position.16

Why, yes, Daddy Dobson, that’s exactly how the US Supreme Court works: relying on the legal precedents of foreign countries. Seriously, I’m sure he’d be quite happy to “borrow” precedents from countries like Iran (swapping out Allah for The Blonde Jeebus, natch).

Damn, talk about a one-track mind. Is there nothing about mandatory abortion, stealing children from bigoted parents, ritual animal sacrifice, idol worship, and man-goat-dog three-way marriages? What about Obama’s expropriations? Where are the re-education camps? What about the impending Muslim takeover? Weak, weak, weak Dobson.

The NRA did it better in 2006 with this classic graphic novel. A perfect companion piece for Dobson’s frightened and ignorant little screed.

Comment #10: Gracchus  on  10/24  at  01:03 PM

Just watched Zoolander for the 1st time. I loved when Ben Stiller’s wife tells him to ease up on the “Earth To’s.”

Dobson would do well to follow her advice re. the “land of the free’s.”

Comment #11: Viceroy Matt  on  10/24  at  01:03 PM

Is it just me?  every single one of those ‘requirements’ is a progressive and enlightened improvement. If Dobby was to run on a ticket guaranteeing those changes to the law, he’d get elected in Europe.

What he’s trying to put over as satire in the US is pretty much the law over here in the UK. The far right and the religious nutjobs whine and gnash their teeth, but it’s got overwhelming support. Good luck with Obama, I hope he proves Dobby right on every count.

Comment #12: Akheloios  on  10/24  at  01:06 PM

Akheloios—

You have a state Church, though. We have separation, so really forcing Churches to do any of the things he mentions would be a really blatant violation of the First Amendment.

Comment #13: Ben D.  on  10/24  at  01:07 PM

“October 2012 kind of seems like a nice place to be.”

Yup, what Dobson sees as bugs to me seem like features.

“This guy is utterly, utterly obsessed with gay people.”

I’m sure we could find interesting material in Dobson’s Internet Explorer cache.

Comment #14: Sock Puppet of the Great Satan  on  10/24  at  01:10 PM

If ONLY Obama was actually this liberal. *wistful sigh*

Comment #15: Mustella  on  10/24  at  01:14 PM

Maybe it’s just me but…. is his description of 2012 supposed to be a bad thing?  Cause I was reading and thinking, “YAY!!”

Comment #16: BadKitty  on  10/24  at  01:15 PM

oh good.  it’s not just me then.

Comment #17: BadKitty  on  10/24  at  01:16 PM

Wow, then my kid could join the boyscouts which we won’t now because of their policies.  Woohoo!!!!

Comment #18: phylosopher  on  10/24  at  01:18 PM

Maybe it’s just me but…. is his description of 2012 supposed to be a bad thing?

Yeah…thanks, Daddy D! I never had a strong concept of “heaven” before…but I do now. It’s your version of October 2012!

Comment #19: Well, what?  on  10/24  at  01:18 PM

#1, #3, #4, #6 and #7 could happen.

The remainder are unconstitutional on their face (First Amendment). Though I’m sure right wingers would try right wing versions of them (esp. #5) if they had absolute power.

Comment #20: Ben D.  on  10/24  at  01:19 PM

I’m glad to see I’m not the only one who thought every part of this except for the ones that force churches to do things would be a vast improvement.

I’m iffy on the “you’re not allowed to use the radio to tell people they’re going to hell.” On the one hand, free speech. On the other… bandwidth is limited, and regulated by the government. Why *is* some of our scarce bandwidth going to facilitate spreading messages of hate? Yeah, I kind of think I’m down with this one too. You want to tell gay people they’re going to hell, there’s internet radio, satellite radio and cable TV. Get off the limited EM spectrum and give your spot to someone who won’t broadcast hate.

Items 8 and 9 are wrong, of course—churches should not be forced to hire people when that is against their beliefs. And the sub-part of 7 that says that church marriage counselors have to counsel married gay people would be wrong. However, no government funds should ever be given to church marriage counselors and no government agency should direct business to them if a secular agency exists, unless they do abide by the same laws the secular agencies must abide by.

I thought Dobson was going to fantasize about a world where it’s actually illegal to be Christian, or something. But no… his worst fear is apparently that gay people have to be treated humanely and with full human rights. That says something there. *I* could come up with a better dystopian fantasy based on taking Obama’s positions to the extreme than this guy did, and I am an ardent Obama supporter.

Comment #21: Alara Rogers  on  10/24  at  01:19 PM

OTOH, #2 is possible, though states usually decide those things.

Comment #22: Ben D.  on  10/24  at  01:19 PM

@ Ben D.

Is it?  Darn.  That read like a primer for a perfect America.

Comment #23: Babs  on  10/24  at  01:20 PM

Hey, if this is his version of Hell, maybe we should be glad we’re all going there, then.

And I still think an all-gay military would be awesome.

Comment #24: INTPagan  on  10/24  at  01:20 PM

Yeah, but having the First Amendment is worth it. Speech codes scare me, even well-meaning ones.

Comment #25: Ben D.  on  10/24  at  01:21 PM

Is anybody even taking this kind of talk seriously any more? We need a poll that calls Evangelicals and asks, “Has Dobson finally lost it, or are you still buying this load of crap?”

Seriously. I can’t believe that people aren’t sort of blinking now and murmuring, “Wait—*what* did he just say?”

Comment #26: leorising  on  10/24  at  01:22 PM

I’d love to have some of the things that were mentioned in his “Apocalyptic” future. Same-sex marriage in all 50 states, adoption for same-sex couples, gays and lesbians being able to openly serve in the military, homosexuality being taught in sex-ed as just one type of sexuality, having all business include sexuality and gender identity in their employee discrimination contracts…. but the Supreme Court can force those policies on the states, with perhaps the exception of same-sex marriage. I doubt they would make churches marry same-sex couples either. So Dobson’s story is crap, even if I personally think it wouldn’t be so bad if those things happened. Just not from the Supreme Court enforcing them. Instead, I’d rather see society grow to accept gay rights, but as long as gender roles exist, so will discrimination of non-conforming people.

Comment #27: ArtOfMe  on  10/24  at  01:24 PM

We are not “the land of the free and the home of the brave.” Many of our freedoms have been taken away by a <strike>liberal </strike>ConservativeSupreme Court and a majority of Democrats in both the House and the Senate, and hardly any brave citizen dares to resist the new government policies any more.

There.  Fixed that.  With no habeus corpus, torture camps, federal troops maintaining civil order, concentration camps waiting to be filled as soon as W declares martial law, signing statements that circumvent Constitutional checks and balances, and a unitary executive that is unable to obey laws because they don’t ‘believe’ laws apply to the President we’re already USSR-lite.

I didn’t change “a majority of Democrats” on purpose.  When Pelosi says ‘impeachment is off the table” she has surrendered her obligation to provide oversight to the Executive Branch.  What W has done is criminal—which makes this the one time he’s right: If you aren’t with us, your against us.  Failing to prosecute crimes out of fear for your political future is about as unpatriotic as it gets.  Democratic or not, this Congress is complicit because they have done nothing to stop W or investigate the crimes.

Comment #28: Caren-Sun-blocking Creator of Animorphic Pancakes  on  10/24  at  01:26 PM

“Freedoms taken away by a liberal supreme court”.

First of all, somebody should explain the word “liberal” to Daddy D.  Hint: the root word is LIBERTY.

Second, you don’t have a right to decide about the contents of a womb you don’t own.  Or a right to decide that your neighbors can’t be a gay couple.  You only get to have a right to decide those things for yourself.

Comment #29: Ms Kate  on  10/24  at  01:28 PM

The Supreme Court had ruled, and the discussion was over.

If this is true, why have Evangelicals like Daddy D made a career trying to overturn Roe v. Wade? It’s a done decision! End of story.

Comment #30: Keith  on  10/24  at  01:30 PM

You don’t really understand the idea of a what having a state church means in the UK. It means absolutely nothing anymore, we’ve got a few appointees to the House of Lords (Senate) and that’s it (not for very much longer either).

All religions in the UK are exactly equal before the law and treated exactly the same as any other service provider.

The 1st amendment, as far as I understand it, was created to prevent the kind of religious wars and persecutions that were commonplace in Europe. Europe bled itself dry with the catholic vs. protestant stuff. It just wasn’t worth it, and now religion is dead as a political force in Europe. Yay!

Comment #31: Akheloios  on  10/24  at  01:33 PM

I wonder if these folks realize that if these prophecies do not come true their own Bible says they are to be put to death? See Deuteronomy 18:20-22.

Comment #32: Sarcastro  on  10/24  at  01:33 PM

WOLVERINES!!!1!!11!!!!...

Comment #33: MikeEss  on  10/24  at  01:37 PM

Many Christians voted for Obama – younger evangelicals actually provided him with the needed margin to defeat John McCain – but they didn’t think he would really follow through on the far left policies that had marked his entire previous career. They were wrong.

This part, the only one based on Dobson’s current observations, actually gives me some encouragement. It shows a genuine worry on Daddy D’s part that many young evangelicals aren’t buying his hate-filled BS version of Xtianity anymore. This election on a grand is the start of a generational shift away from destructive and divisive Boomer tropes that dominated politic for 25+ years; given the quote above, I wouldn’t be surprised if that shift is being mirrored on a smaller scale within the evangelical movement.

Poor Daddy D sees his RWA gravy train ending, so he’s sending this out to the parents of Millenials: “give it to yer kids, explain the error of their diversity-loving ways. You say they want citations causa their darned newfangled Internet? Well I’ve packed it with tonnes of fancy-lookin’ footnotes.”

Comment #34: Gracchus  on  10/24  at  01:39 PM

“October 2012 kind of seems like a nice place to be. “

Amen to that.  I kept waiting to read something like “then Evangelicals were rounded up and herded into camps!” but all he’s got is giving equal rights to gays and lesbians.  Hardly what I’d call a nightmare scenario.

Comment #35: Notorious P.A.T.  on  10/24  at  01:43 PM

This is really funny.

In addition, many private Christian schools decided to shut down after the Supreme Court ruled that anti-discrimination laws that include sexual orientation extended to private institutions such as schools,6 and that private schools also had to obey the law and teach that homosexuality and heterosexuality are both morally good choices.

So…home schooling is also illegal?  Parents cannot tell their children something they learn in school is against their personal religious beliefs and morals?

I do that now.  My son’s 3rd grade history book taught the Pledge and defined the line “Under God” as meaning “led by God”.  (Thanks Texas book reviewers!)  I crossed it out of the book and we had a long discussion of when the pledge was written and how the phrase “led by God” was meaningless and un-American.

Still fuzzy on how private schools could be forced to teach anything.  They might not be accredited if they don’t follow a set curriculum, but there’s no reason fundies couldn’t set up their own accreditation system like they do now.

(3) Adoption agencies: “The land of the free”? There are no more Roman Catholic or evangelical Protestant adoption agencies in the United States. Following earlier rulings in New York 7 and Massachusetts,8 the U.S. Supreme Court in 2011 ruled that these agencies had to agree to place children with homosexual….

That’s right.  Roman Catholic agencies are free to operate within the law or close.  Their choice.  I hope someday there are no more Catholic hospitals, or that they are forced to provide EC and at a minimum discuss all health care options with women. 

Every one of Dobson’s points are hilarious in their complete misunderstanding of law or of what freedom is or of what the Constitution guarantees.

Comment #36: Caren-Sun-blocking Creator of Animorphic Pancakes  on  10/24  at  01:43 PM

“I can hardly sing “The Star Spangled Banner” any more.
When I hear the words,
O say, does that star spangled banner yet wave
O’er the land of the free and the home of the brave? “

...sing those words when Obama’s president and POW! — straight to prison!  That’s how we LiberoFascists roll.  And let one of us hear you saying the Pledge of Allegiance…death penalty…

OTOH — 24-hour gay porn on TV…all channels…instead of cartoons Saturday morning…

Comment #37: MikeEss  on  10/24  at  01:44 PM

What, no mandated abortions by law? No state-run daycares as indoctrination centers? No Mark of the Beast, fer crying out loud? No Wiccan rituals in Congress? Shoot, apocalyptic fearmongering writing ain’t what it used to be. I remember the really juicy stuff they used to put out in the 70s; puts this to shame.

Comment #38: emjaybee  on  10/24  at  01:45 PM

“Akheloios—You have a state Church, though. We have separation, so really forcing Churches to do any of the things he mentions would be a really blatant violation of the First Amendment. “

For instance:  even though the federal government ended Jim Crow in 1965, the Mormon Church didn’t stop preaching that the black man was the devil until 1969.  No one forced them to do it.

Comment #39: Notorious P.A.T.  on  10/24  at  01:46 PM

I have this sick vision of Daddy and Sarah getting it on like Frank and Hotlips in M*A*S*H.

Comment #40: Magis  on  10/24  at  01:48 PM

Magis, that is one incredibly ugly thought…

Comment #41: MikeEss  on  10/24  at  01:54 PM

Man, it’s gays all the way down. What about America’s new one child policy (2 if you’re gay)? What about public orgies followed by mandatory abortions? What about mandatory jihad training at the hands of al Queda? Dobson can do better than this.

It’s kind of sad that he loses his patriotism if gays are treated like people, but liberals get called traitors if we question torturing people or preemptive wars based on bad intelligence.

Comment #42: penn  on  10/24  at  01:58 PM

This is sort of off the subject, but the Boy Scouts don’t hire Scoutmasters. I’m pretty sure that it’s a volunteer position. And when I was a scout, the adults always had their own tents.

Comment #43: Tom C.  on  10/24  at  02:00 PM

Our state church is the biggest reason that religion has all but died out in the UK, and for that matter the rest of Europe. It’s been argued rather well that the 1at amendment is the main reason that religion hasn’t died in the US. The most important and progressive thing you could possibly do is remove tax exempt status from religion. Stop handing these evil organisations the money to proselytise on radio and tv and things should improve.

You’ve allowed religion to have so many breaks that it’s behaving responsibly any more, either for itself or it’s message. Religion, like any other organisation should be under the rule of law.

Comment #44: Akheloios  on  10/24  at  02:00 PM

“Many Christian teachers objected to teaching first graders that homosexuality was morally neutral and equal to heterosexuality. They said it violated their consciences to have to teach something the Bible viewed as morally wrong.”

And yet if a Jewish or Muslim teacher insisted on teaching his or her students that it was wrong to eat bacon because pigs are unclean, you’d never hear the screaming stop.  Apparently only Christians have consciences that have to be catered to—all other religions have to suck it up and be glad they’re even allowed to exist.

Comment #45: Mnemosyne  on  10/24  at  02:02 PM

I, for one, welcome our new LGBT overlords.

Comment #46: AlanB  on  10/24  at  02:02 PM

But… but… I thought the horrible danger was that Obama was big, skeery, secret Muslim who was going to force Sharia law on all of us.

So, Sharia law mandates gay marriage?

I’m so confused.

Comment #47: Phoebe Fay  on  10/24  at  02:07 PM

So, is there anything in America 2012 that doesn’t revolve around homosex?

Comment #48: preying mantis  on  10/24  at  02:09 PM

I, for one, welcome our new LGBT overlords.

It just came to me: this is a treatment for Dobson’s “special” remake of the beloved Frank Capra/Jimmy Stewart holiday classic. Daddy D’s working title: It’s a Faaaabulous Life.

Comment #49: Gracchus  on  10/24  at  02:10 PM

Ah yes, conflation of being gay with being a pedo.  Again.

I know I’m hardly the first to note this, but the reason that Christianists are terrified of losing every one of their freedoms if progressives take charge is that they know damned well they’d do it to us if they gained complete power and so just assume we’d do it to them.

Comment #50: seeker6079  on  10/24  at  02:10 PM

So, is there anything in America 2012 that doesn’t revolve around homosex?

Mother Goddess, I hope not!

Comment #51: INTPagan  on  10/24  at  02:11 PM

If I’d known electing Obama was going to cause the downfall of the Boy Scouts, I’d have donated a lot more money earlier.  All the rest is just gravy.

Comment #52: nashe  on  10/24  at  02:14 PM

Ben D., my only quibble with the unconstitutionality of those items comes from the fact that he lists no **consequences** for churches other than losing their tax-exempt status. The tax shelter is a privilege for churches, not a right. It is predicated on their agreement to remain depoliticized. Violation of federal antidiscrimination law on the basis of personal politics would be politicized.

The first amendment guarantees FREEDOM of speech, however hateful. Not SUBSIDIZING of it.

Comment #53: Well, what?  on  10/24  at  02:21 PM

Wow, there’s a lot of about teh gay in that there letter.

Comment #54: Bulworth  on  10/24  at  02:23 PM

The next Handbasket departure is scheduled for Nov. 5.

Comment #55: Ms Kate  on  10/24  at  02:24 PM

Er, so as not to muddy the already muddied line between nasty shit and hate speech, make that “however repugnant”, not “however hateful”.

Comment #56: Well, what?  on  10/24  at  02:24 PM

Wow, I really underestimated all the references to teh gay. Every item is about teh gay. Damn.

Comment #57: Bulworth  on  10/24  at  02:26 PM

my only quibble with the unconstitutionality of those items comes from the fact that he lists no **consequences** for churches other than losing their tax-exempt status.

For Daddy D and his fellow greedhead Xtian fantasists, that’s the ultimate consequence—a disaster of Biblican proportions. So if it really came down to a choice beween accepting teh gay into his church and losing tax exempt status as it does in Dobson’s fever dream, I guarantee you that instead of closing up shop he’d “reluctantly” find a way to do the former. There are McMansions, cars, and travel to be paid for, after all.

Comment #58: Gracchus  on  10/24  at  02:36 PM

I wonder when Obama’s going to start fluoridating children’s ice cream…

I don’t want the Scary Black Man and his NegroMarxism to impurify my bodily fluids…

Comment #59: MikeEss  on  10/24  at  02:37 PM

MikeEss wins for the Dr. Strangelove reference.  Forever.

Comment #60: INTPagan  on  10/24  at  02:38 PM

“There are McMansions, cars, and travel to be paid for, after all. “

I don’t know if you really need the Mc in front of the mansion part.  Once you’re high enough up the evangelical ladder, the flash tends to exceed what you get when the middle class or upper-middle class tries to mimic wealth.

Comment #61: preying mantis  on  10/24  at  02:41 PM

Dobson is pussyfooting around the real issue. Why is he so scared to spell out a tale of mandatory buttsex for all men? I think it’s that he dare not let himself hope for that.

And really, he’s not afraid that uppity women will fail to be suitable helpmates for domineering husbands? That nudity and swear words will become mandatory on broadcast TV? That sex, pregnancy, and abortion will become part of the mandatory high school curriculum (and not just learning about these things—living them!)? You’d think he might’ve tossed in a couple abortion and feminism nuggets just so he looks more well-rounded. Not to mention a banning of the bible.

Comment #62: Orange  on  10/24  at  02:51 PM

I don’t know if you really need the Mc in front of the mansion part.  Once you’re high enough up the evangelical ladder, the flash tends to exceed what you get when the middle class or upper-middle class tries to mimic wealth.

“Mc-” doesn’t only refer to size, and money doesn’t buy good taste. Once in a while a documentary shows us how these guys live: monstrous versions of exurban cookie-cutter faux chateaux, filled with Kinkade paintings, stained glass “art” seemingly modeled on black-velvet paintings, and Hummel figurines.

Yes, I know, I’m one of those evil liberal elitists Palin goes on about.

Comment #63: Gracchus  on  10/24  at  02:52 PM

But little did we know that this condemnatory clairvoyancy was less of an isolated incident, more of a sweeping new trend.

Let’s not forget McCain’s bizarre speech this summer, where he went on at length about all the great things that will have happened by the end of his first term, without saying anything about how he intends to achieve them (a theme that has been recapped in his only positive TV ads.)

Comment #64: Redshift  on  10/24  at  03:01 PM

Wow, it really is all gay all the time in the grim darkness of the future, isn’t it? Count me in!

Really, this is hilarious. It sounds like a set of admirable goals, to me, except for the parts about forcing churches to do stuff,* like employ people they disagree with. (I can’t for one minute imagine why a gay person would want to join a gay-hating church, as opposed to an inclusive one, but hey, grim darkness of the future and all that, it doesn’t have to be logical.) Churches can do whatever they like, so long as they’re a) not getting tax breaks for it, b) aren’t actively encouraging their congregations to go out and get violent over it, and c) aren’t forcing anyone to join or remain with them.

* As opposed to say, ‘forcing’ Christian doctors and pharmacists to do their jobs, regardless of whether their patient is gay or straight or - gasp - a woman wanting contraception, which should absolutely be law. If your conscience won’t let you do the job, don’t choose that career. It’s like a pacifist joining the army and then expecting to be excused from shooting people…

Comment #65: Nic C  on  10/24  at  03:06 PM

You mean the glbt community will get equal treatment AND the psycho-evangelicals will largely retire from American society apparently in order to hold a pout party?  My friends can get married & adopt kids without the hassle, and the bigots in my workplace will go away of their own free will?

hmm…

Yes please, Where do I sign?

Comment #66: Brylock  on  10/24  at  03:13 PM

Regarding Dobson’s point one:

While I have no love for the discriminatory policies of the national organization of the Boy Scouts, and make clear my opposition to them pretty much constantly, I am a volunteer leader and an Eagle Scout (local councils and troops are generally much less reactionary than national; in fact, many local orgs have published individual non-descriminatory policies - change from within, my friends).  Dobson’s scare-mongering about gay scoutmasters sleeping in tents with young boys is WAY off.

No matter how detestable the organizations policies on homosexuality and non-belief are,  the BSA’s child protection, anti-abuse program is very well-constructed (I just finished taking the refresher training when my son got into Cubs) -  provisions are such that a boy in a scouting program is NEVER going to find himself alone with an adult leader.  Simply not going to happen.

Dobson’s way off there - of course, propaganda isn’t about truth or accuracy, is it?

Comment #67: cphaurckker  on  10/24  at  03:14 PM

Okay, fess up.

Who let Dobson get hold of their copy of The Agenda?

Comment #68: teac  on  10/24  at  03:17 PM

“Pretty clear what his fantasies of unlimited Christian political power would look like.”

Yes, a thousand times yes. It’s hard to think we’re seeing anything else here. Maybe it was even his planned recomendations to John McCain, but since he’s seen the state of the polls, he did a quick find and replace. He’s a busy man, after all, with so many people to dislike.

Comment #69: witless chum  on  10/24  at  03:18 PM

The 1st amendment, as far as I understand it, was created to prevent the kind of religious wars and persecutions that were commonplace in Europe.

Not quite. Most of the English settlers that came to America did so to escape forced conversion to the Church of England. As such most of the settlers disliked the concept of a state church, so when they established their own country they specificaly banned it.

Comment #70: Ruby  on  10/24  at  03:19 PM

Not quite. Most of the English settlers that came to America did so to escape forced conversion to the Church of England. As such most of the settlers disliked the concept of a state church, so when they established their own country they specificaly banned it.

Sort of.  There was a huge amount of religious strife in the colonies from the beginning—you could actually be hanged for being a Quaker in Puritan Massachusetts—and the First Amendment was an attempt to make sure that didn’t happen again.  Most of the colonies were founded with a specific religion in mind (Massachusetts = Puritans, Maryland = Catholics, Pennsylvania = Quakers), so freedom of religion would be required to keep everything together.

(Most of the fanaticism had tapered off by the time the Constitution was written, but it was still within memory.)

Comment #71: Mnemosyne  on  10/24  at  03:24 PM

Dobson does have a rather interesting idea of freedom: his freedom seems to be the sort of positive liberty championed by the French Revolutionaries and the Communists.  Is Daddy D. a secret hard-core leftist like his godson, Jesus was?

These so-called Christians (ignoring the parts of their Bible that, e.g., tell them to not pray in public) somehow really do feel that, unless they are able to shove their religion down our throats, they are not able to practice their religion.  It is inhibiting their freedom of worship to not allow them to fulfill their duty to evangelize by any means necessary.

These lines are especially telling as to Daddy D’s mindset:

the Boy Scouts had already been kicked out of all public facilities

All businesses that have government contracts at the national, state, or local level now have to provide documentation of equal benefits for same sex couples.

Those that rejected homosexual applicants have already had their tax-exempt status revoked

He wouldn’t be satisfied with the BSA being able to discriminate against gays (FWIW, I am an Eagle Scout, but I strongly disagree with the BSA’s policies on gays)—to him “freedom” requires the BSA be free to discriminate and still have access to public accommodations.  Business owners are not free unless they can get on the government contract gravy train?  Whatever happened to “rugged individualism”? Freedom requires that a Church can use public resources but remain tax exempt: tax exemption is a right?

These people really do have a frightening vision of what freedom is—a vision more suited to Jacobin France, Soviet Russia or the Revolutionary Iran than the US.

Comment #72: DAS  on  10/24  at  03:25 PM

Ruby and Mnemo,
The New England colonies had been a hotbed of religious intolerance, ironically the very colonies set up to escape Anglican-led persecution at home. The official Catholic policy in Maryland was pretty short- lived as too few English Catholics wanted to settle. It was officially Anglican by 1700.
The religious clauses of the First Amendment were largely to keep the federal government from imposing a single religion. Part of that issue was that there were a sizable number of potential candidates for the post of established church. As you pointed out, most of the persecution had died out and the original “don’t ask, don’t tell” policy was in place in most colonies/states. However, there had been four colonies with no established church at all (PA, NJ, DE, and RI).
And plenty of Founders had been forced to make perfunctory declarations to the established church of their colony in order to serve in the colonial legislatures. Hence the no religious test law in the original Constitution.

Comment #73: histrogeek  on  10/24  at  03:39 PM

On a multiple reread, it actually gets more fascinating. I agree with the folks who said that in most ways every actual point he raises is a good one. And I think it is clear that he knows it, somewhere in his twisty little mind.

He can’t bring himself to object that government-run schools might have to admit to school kids that, hey, gay people exist and if you grow up gay, you can get married like anyone else. No, teachers will be forced to teach compulsory lessons in gender identity in grade 1.

Gay people won’t just be allowed to serve openly in the military. No, they’ll be actively recruited and get recruitment bonuses for signing up. (which would probably create an interesting cottage industry—“Straight? For a small fee, I’ll blow you and take the photos you need so you can get the recruiting bonus too!” Off-topic, I’ve taken for granted that if we ever have a draft with Don"t Ask, Don’t Tell on the books, the same thing will happen.)

The Boy Scouts, adoption agencies, and other semi-public groups won’t just have to choose between obeying anti-discrimination laws or funding themselves without public money. No, they will be forcibly disbanded. Or attacked by lions. Yeah, lions. That’s it. All Christian teacher resign. All Christian doctors resign. And apparently, nobody will even rent space to the Boy Scouts. Little bastards.

Not in the quoted section, but he even went so far in the full document to declare that the government forced home-schooling parents to teach homosexuality. Like that would work.

That’s a hell of a slippery slope in four years.

But look at the positives - in order to completely retool the Supreme Court AND get the cases through the system, AND get the decisions issued, AND get the laws rewritten and enforced by 2010, that requires a massive streamlining of the current judicial system and its backlog. That’s a plus.

And oddly, #4 is strangely UNDER-reaching. Given his postulation that Federal recognition of same-sex marriage was in place by 2010, why would the requirement for equal benefits to same-sex couples extend to ALL businesses, not just the ones with government contracts? Or is Daddy D saying that right now, private businesses can choose to give marriage benefits to some couples (say, Christians, but not Jews, or people on their first marriage, but not remarried divorcees, or whites but not blacks)?

Comment #74: Lymis  on  10/24  at  04:01 PM

He wouldn’t be satisfied with the BSA being able to discriminate against gays (FWIW, I am an Eagle Scout, but I strongly disagree with the BSA’s policies on gays)—to him “freedom” requires the BSA be free to discriminate and still have access to public accommodations.

Yes, because as far as the fundies are concerned, they should have the right to discriminate against people with no penalty whatsoever.  They aren’t willing to take any kind of risk for their beliefs—they just want to pressure the government into protecting them so they won’t lose out in any way.

It’s like the people who think that freedom of speech means they can say anything they want to you, but you can’t respond back.

Comment #75: Mnemosyne  on  10/24  at  04:30 PM

The scary thought is, there are little old ladies all across America who are so out of the loop, who have had such little contact with The Real World(tm) in decades, that they actually think some of these things are real threats.

Comment #76: Indy  on  10/24  at  05:02 PM

Oh, for fuck’s sake. This guy used to be somewhat sane (or at least I, as an early teen, used to think he was, which may not be the same thing). Some variety at least, and the occasional article in his magazine that was actually useful to families with kids. (His fundraising letters have always been intended to raise the blood pressure by threatening horrible things done by Hollywood and evil liberal activists—though, like I said, usually with greater variety.)

I usually don’t go for saying that gay-bashers must be secretly in the closet, but—good Lord. One track mind, much? Are you sure there isn’t anything else in the full document that’s not about gay people? Of all the dozens of lies he could tell about Obama, all he can think is to claim that the man will (in two years!) so stack the Supreme Court that gay marriage flies through, and then panic over what he thinks that will mean?

Mind you, if my sister can get married, if she’s allowed to adopt or if doctors can’t kick her and her wife out for wanting help getting pregnant—hey, I’m down with that. Like everyone else is saying, except for the parts about churches being forced to do things (you *really* think that would be easy? or possible, until homophobia becomes as socially distasteful as open racism? which WILL happen one day, and I expect to live to see it), I’m definitely down with most of these.

He really does want to see teh gays hurting, doesn’t he? He’s complaining that they’ll get partner benefits at work—and how does that hurt him, exactly? I guess he thinks his neighbour’s Hindu marriage being recognized by the state and the insurance companies is somehow skin off his nose, too? Oh, no, it’s just the gays?

And Dobson’s view of what repealing DADT would mean is to laugh. My side hurts, srsly.

Ooh, wait, I have it—has he been reading political slash? Does he really think all the male Democratic politicians are getting it on with each other? That might explain it! :D

Comment #77: Nenya  on  10/24  at  05:02 PM

PS. HEY YOU, GIVE MAI DELOREAN BACK! No fair that crazy people get to time-travel, and I don’t!

(Er, not claiming I’m 100% sane, mind you. smile)

Comment #78: Nenya  on  10/24  at  05:03 PM

When people are THIS obsessed with “the gay” doesnt’ that mean that they have issues themselves?
Or are so deep in the closet that they are self hating and must take their hate out on people who ARE out?
I really can’t help but ponder it.

What a sad thing that he has not only a mouthpiece but one that has many followers, subscribers and supporters.

Comment #79: Danica Lefse Queen  on  10/24  at  05:08 PM

It legitimately frightens me that there are people in this world that think like this.

Comment #80: aubrey  on  10/24  at  05:15 PM

we’ve had legalized gay marriage in quebec for years now.  no church or clergyperson is forced to participate, and the society hasn’t collapsed into elementary-school orgies and suppression of heterosexual marriage yet.

Comment #81: libby  on  10/24  at  05:25 PM

All conservatives, not just fundies like Daddy D, have a very aristocratic (or Randian or Nietzchian) notion of freedom. My freedom must be completely unencumbered, including my right to object to others. I have the right to oppress, attack, abuse, or freak out about anything and everything my shriveled little heart desires. No one has even slightest right to stop me. So if someone offends me, I can do what I wish, BUT they have no right to stop me no matter what.

Comment #82: histrogeek  on  10/24  at  05:45 PM

I have this sick vision of Daddy and Sarah getting it on like Frank and Hotlips in M*A*S*H.

The Rude Pundit is your friend.

Comment #83: JBWoodford  on  10/24  at  05:45 PM

and there are hardly any evangelical teachers in public schools any more.

 

*giggle* He says that like it’s a bad thing.

Comment #84: Lindsay  on  10/24  at  05:49 PM

I found a chuckle in how christian fundamentalist teachers leaving in droves and staying the fuck out of our educational system was supposed to be a bad thing.  Over all I quite like his dystopia where hate crimes and irrational bigotry are against the law.  I will take two tickets please!

Comment #85: studentE  on  10/24  at  07:06 PM

pffft, this is supposed to frighten us? “oh noes, he’ll steal our right to be stinky bigots with a forum, aiiii!!!”
i can’t believe i was raised in this shit.

Comment #86: redwards  on  10/24  at  07:08 PM

I make it a point not to read anything by Dobson, but holy smokes batman, this guy is utterly possessed by thoughts about gay people. Are there no other problems in the world? No economic problems? No hunger, no poverty?

My GF and I get married and all hell will break loose on the world? Ooooh, I feel suddenly powerful.

Comment #87: setya  on  10/24  at  07:10 PM

James Dobson should definitely be nominated.

Go to:  www.buttheadpolice.com

Vote for buttheads like Palin and Dubya to get asses stampted on their heads.  This vote will count.  Pass it on!!

Comment #88: wakeupUSA  on  10/24  at  07:16 PM

In California, homeschools are required to participate in materials review and teacher training if they want any accreditation; but these are really only a skeleton of requirements and make sure that homeschoolers have access to the same teaching resources as schools for math, science, history, and that the kids are being taught by people trained to teach.  So far that’s caused a few lawsuits, but mostly it’s made homeschools band together and trade teachers and subjects.

Why #2 can’t happen in California, is that a parent can opt out of anything.  (So the prop 8 stuff is all lies, ‘cause Mass has different rules than we do).  They can and do opt out of health education, field trips, special speakers, events, even specific classes or lesson plans.

Of course, if they opt out of some of the basics, they won’t get a diploma, but…

Comment #89: Crissa  on  10/24  at  07:39 PM

What, no commentary on the fact that the doc predicts four major terrorist bombs in American cities (two big cities, two small ones—how ecumenical), Russia re-occupying effectively the entire former USSR and Warsaw Pact nations, and Iran nuking Tel Aviv, by 2012. Nevertheless, the first and longest set of HORRIFYING!!11! predictions the essay lists are all about Teh Gay.

I find that hilarious. Four terrorist attacks in the U.S., the Soviet Union reconstituting, Israel largely nuked off the map, but the most pressing terror is that homophobia is legally uncool. Whoa.

Comment #90: Rieux  on  10/24  at  08:40 PM

This is like reading some of the Battlefield Earth books (it was my brother-in-law’s, what can I say): you get an insight you never wanted into a sick, sick mind.

Comment #91: paul  on  10/24  at  09:06 PM

Y’all ever listen to Dobson? He sounds like a smoldering closet queen to me. I can’t hear him without imagining him in tight little ‘80s coach shorts, a tank top, and a baseball cap. Seriously, listen to him. He’s on the radio at least twice a day in major markets and three times a day in minor markets. Midsized liberal cities may just get him once a day. Lucky you Austin, Ashville, Portland, and Chattanooga.

Listen to him. Don’t you just see the coach shorts and the whistle on the strap? He’s talking about making “our boys” more authentically masculine through male bonding. I think he has a closer bond in mind than most parents may think appropriate.

Comment #92: Bacopa  on  10/24  at  09:22 PM

(11) Public Beatings. Land of the free? Soon, anytime a citizen, or group of citizens take it upon themselves to protect their family or community’s morality by taking physical preventative action against a morally threatening figurw, it will be classed as a ‘hate crime’ and the citizen(s) will be liable for a stiff jail sentence.

It already exists? What further proof do you need that the socialist homosexualist agenda is already persecuting innocent Americans?

Comment #93: Rockit  on  10/24  at  09:48 PM

I love it. Gays are now free to be in the military! They’re free to walk the streets without fear of being assaulted! Therefore….OUR FREEDOM IS GONE. Apparently Dobson Dearest has forgotten that “land of the free” doesn’t mean “land where Christians get rights and no one else does.”

Comment #94: Lauren O  on  10/24  at  10:54 PM

I get tears in my eyes and a lump in my throat.

Heh heh heh… lump in his throat… no wonder he’s so fixated on ‘teh gaye’. I think Orson Scott Card ghostwrote this for Dobbie!

Comment #95: Big Bad Bald Bastard  on  10/24  at  11:23 PM

Can’t somebody write some Larry Craig/James Dobson slash?  In a lonely airport restroom, pref.  I’m pretty sure that’s what the future holds.

Comment #96: sophie  on  10/25  at  02:01 AM

Dobson himself makes the case, and his own quote offers the exact reason that it’s so important to vote NO on Proposition 8; should many of the sensible reforms alluded to in Dobson’s “predictions” be realized, we would all have a safer and healthier society, discouraging or preventing Dobson and his ilk from suggesting, encouraging, and inciting that -

“... it would be better for [him] to have a great millstone fastened around his neck and to be drowned in the depth of the sea”

James Byrd, Matthew Shepard, and sadly, so many others - preventing gay bashing, hate crimes, violence, teen suicide, harassment, and allowing each person to realize their full potential, and to pursue life, liberty and happiness - that is the future that could result should much of the above be realized. Truly a brave, new world, in the best sense of the term.

Comment #97: trey  on  10/25  at  02:58 AM

Wow. I guess my only option now is to go out an be gay. This is the most incredible piece of slash fiction I have ever seen.

Comment #98: Kevin  on  10/25  at  03:42 AM

One correction: I slogged through the entire piece, and while it’s heavily slanted toward “ZOMG teh gays!”, it’s actually a laundry list of issues, including the virtual abolition of the 2nd amendment, and the end of conservative talk radio (spoiler alert: the ACLU demands that for every hour of conservative programming, there must be an hour of liberal programming on the same station. IOW Rush Limbaugh’s 3-hour show is followed by three hours of, oh, I don’t know, Al Franken or Jeaneane Garofalo or someone. The former loyal conservative listeners are so saddened by this that they stop listening to AM radio altogether (I guess they can’t stomach the thought of sharing the airwaves) and radio stations go out of business).

Comment #99: arensb  on  10/25  at  04:59 AM

So…Obama is going to make sweeping changes leading to greater equality for gay people, and religious/conservative groups are going to be prevented from spreading their bigotry? Awesome, where do I sign up?

Comment #100: Benjamin M. A'Lee  on  10/25  at  08:09 AM

“Batshit crazy” doesn’t even begin to describe these loonies. They are evidence for Unintelligent Design.

Comment #101: james  on  10/25  at  11:52 AM

It’ll be a gay gay gay gay world, huh? Then we’ll all be impeccably dressed. That’ll be cool.

Scouting won’t go, alas. God only knows why it stays. It’s a stupid relic from the age of British imperialism.

Comment #102: wapsie  on  10/25  at  02:15 PM

Scouting won’t go, alas. God only knows why it stays.It’s a stupid relic from the age of British imperialism.

That’s not fair: the scouts do have all sorts of fun and educational activities for kids, to say nothing of camps and jamborees, athletic competitions, crafts, and so forth. I wouldn’t want to see scouting disappear, I’d just like to see the BSA and similar organizations give up their institutional bigotry against gays and atheists.

Comment #103: arensb  on  10/25  at  02:58 PM

Wow, I really underestimated all the references to teh gay. Every item is about teh gay. Damn.

Be fair - it’s not his fault.  It’s the fault of all those damned gays who keep forcing their homosex down his throat.

So to speak.

I mean—damn it!  Leave James Dobson alone!

Comment #104: Phoenician in a time of Romans  on  10/25  at  07:30 PM

Part of what makes this SO hilarious is the things they unintentionally admit:

“The Justice Department soon began to file criminal and civil charges against nearly every
Bush administration official who had any involvement with the Iraq war. During his campaign,
Senator Obama said, “What I would want to do is to have my Justice Department and my
Attorney General immediately review the information that’s already there and to find out are
there inquiries that need to be pursued.” In order to facilitate these proceedings, President
Obama rescinded President Bush’s executive order that had prevented presidential papers from
being released, and millions of pages of previously secret White House papers were posted on
the Internet. ACLU attorneys have spent four years poring over these papers looking for possible
violations of law. Dozens of Bush officials, from the Cabinet level on down, are in jail, and most
of them are also bankrupt from legal costs.”

Translation:  “Yes, they DID break the law, but you weren’t supposed to hold them RESPONSIBLE for it!  Whaaaah!”

Comment #105: Consumer Unit 5012  on  10/26  at  03:27 AM

I’m a libertarian and thus I’m in the hole on this blog from the start, but I wanted to make a few points from my perspective that many of you may have missed from yours. 

Let me begin by saying that I’m not gay, but I believe that gay or straight, all people have a right to be full citizens in every sense of the word, just as they have a right not to be, if they choose.  Freedom is all about maximizing your opportunities to exercise your ability to choose.

First, the reason Dobson (if I told you my real feelings about the man, I’d probably get a visit from the SS… I mean the FBI…I digress) The reason Dobson was so cagey about saying only businesses with government contracts would be forced to pass gay-friendly policies is that he can’t think of anything else for his runaway Christians to do besides start their own small, under-the-radar, pro-Christian businesses. Otherwise he would have to predict that gay-friendly policy was the “Number of the Beast” without which nothing could be bought or sold.  And Dobson is actually a bit too sensitive to how he sounds politically to say something that radical.  He hopes that his virtuous, family-business-owning, well-scrubbed, blond Aryan Christian desirables will “rise again,” as they used to say in Atlanta when I was a kid. It’s his “out.”

Folks, libertarians want you to have the freedom to be gay.  We want you to have the freedom to be anything you want, except an oppressor of the freedom of others.  You always ignore the fact that being free doesn’t mean being a schoolyard bully.  Freedom means making the choices you want, in a world where you bear the responsibility of your choices… not a world where all the “right” choices are made for you.

In a Randian world (I’m part Rand, body and mind, related to the chick in fact, lol…) Dobson and his moron followers would be one small, shrill voice on the sidelines, drowned out by the joyful din of the parade toward individual progress.  Randist libertarians admit that some people can’t hack freedom and will fail, and you hate that.  But we all say that about some people… Dobson is a great example.  In a really free world, that man would have no power to hurt anyone.

Comment #106: speedwell  on  10/26  at  05:34 AM

Isn’t foretelling the future a kind of sorcery?  I’m afraid Dr. Dobson has to be defrocked, racked and burned at the stake as soon as possible.

Good Point!  Now just imagine his response to a piece of art hanging in a gallery in Argentina!  He won’t be that happy…  but i want the poster!

http://queerthoughts.blogspot.com/2008/10/jesus-and-superman-swap-spit.html

Comment #107: Rick Barnes  on  10/26  at  07:34 PM

Wow, that is a big dose of crazy. Projection much?

Also, he’s more obsessed with being gay than any gay person I’ve ever met.

Comment #108: maatnofret  on  10/27  at  04:47 PM

These wackos have used fear and repression for decades to recruit and brainwash millions. These closed-minded and small-hearted people are obsessed with sex, not gay folks!

James Dobson is a fearmongerer and Jesus would be PISSED off at what this evil man has done to the reputation of a philosophy of unconditional love.

Comment #109: James  on  10/27  at  05:17 PM

I just love that there are groups of “good christians” sit around obessessing about gays and all the terrible gay things they do. Seems they think more about being gay than most gay pople do.

Comment #110: Mike  on  10/28  at  02:29 PM

Wow, the best thing ? That when I read Dobson’s rant, I think; ‘Hey, some of this won’t be bad !’

But state after state ruled that their refusal to teach positively about homosexuality was the equivalent of hate speech, and they had to teach it or be fired. Tens of thousands of Christian teachers either quit or were fired, and there are hardly any evangelical teachers in public schools any more.

Bad ?!

All businesses that have government contracts at the national, state, or local level now have to provide documentation of equal benefits for same sex couples. This was needed to overcome “systemic discrimination” against them and followed on a national level the pattern of policies already in place in San Francisco, Los Angeles, and Seattle.

Bad ?!

And how come people still don’t know the difference between homosexuality and pedophilia ?

The Boy Scouts no longer exist as an organization. They chose to disband rather than be forced to obey the Supreme Court decision that they would have to hire homosexual scoutmasters and allow them to sleep in tents with young boys.

Seriously, people that still think that shouldn’t invent time travel to go into the future… they should go back to the Middle Ages, where they belong !

Comment #111: Victoria  on  10/29  at  06:35 AM

Dude, they totally should outlaw straight people having kids since they wouldn’t be able to resist molesting kids of the opposite sex.

Although we all know that homosexuals just can’t resist molesting kids, regardless of gender.

Never mind; trying to use this backwards logic kind of makes me want to shoot myself in the face.

Comment #112: INTPagan  on  10/29  at  11:08 AM
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