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DADT: thoughts about ‘non-sexual bonding’ and refraining from the happy dance

In the wake of yesteday’s Senate hearing on DADT repeal, there are two reactions out that drew my attention. One was the lunatic WSJ op-ed by foreign policy journal editor Mackubin Thomas Owens. He took umbrage at the thought that heterosexual soldiers were capable of serving openly with gays and lesbians. The old saw of unit cohesion came up again, with this infantile, *sshat statement by Owens:

[T]he military stresses such martial virtues as courage, both physical and moral, a sense of honor and duty, discipline, a professional code of conduct, and loyalty. It places a premium on such factors as unit cohesion and morale. The glue of the military ethos is what the Greeks called philia—friendship, comradeship or brotherly love. Philia, the bond among disparate individuals who have nothing in common but facing death and misery together, is the source of the unit cohesion that most research has shown to be critical to battlefield success.

Philia depends on fairness and the absence of favoritism. Favoritism and double standards are deadly to philia and its associated phenomena—cohesion, morale and discipline—are absolutely critical to the success of a military organization.

The presence of open homosexuals in the close confines of ships or military units opens the possibility that eros—which unlike philia is sexual, and therefore individual and exclusive—will be unleashed into the environment. Eros manifests itself as sexual competition, protectiveness and favoritism, all of which undermine the nonsexual bonding essential to unit cohesion, good order, discipline and morale.

Wow. Owens’ eruption really needs deconstruction and discussion because it raisese several questions:

1. Then what about eros and women in the military? All of the above also true - and came up time and again when women were being integrated into the military. In fact the whole line in the sand barring combat service for women has been blurred as they are practically on the front lines anyway, subjected to the same levels of lethal force in Iraq, for example. Does Owens want women out of the military?

2. Owens renders our fighting men weak, ignorant and guided only by their “little brains.” (It’s clear women aren’t even considered in Owen’s op-ed, so let’s set that aside.) If our mlitary is so strong and powerful, how can its capabilities be undermined so easily by their pee-pees? From the POV of Owens, if gay service members come out of the closet, the barracks will instantly become a cruising bar, complete with a disco ball and rocket-propelled grenades and IEDs. In his mind the soldiers can’t tell the difference between comradeship and bonding under stress-filled, life-threatening conditions

and a pick up line

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3. Apparently the Uniform Code of Military Justice (UCMJ) is a useless document. Owens alternately views the military as an institution of rules and regulations and as a lawless outpost. It’s clear he’s afraid that all this potential aggressive man-on-man cruising will lead to sexual assault that will go unprosecuted. Hmmm. Well he may be on to something—women who serve are being assaulted and raped at record levels, with their male peers going unpunished or receiving a slap on the wrist. If Owens envisions that scenario, he should spare his wrath against those who want to repeal DADT and direct it to those in the Pentagon that don’t take sexual assault and harassment seriously. It doesn’t matter whether it’s same- or opposite-sex criminal conduct—both should be prosecuted under UCMJ, including fraternization.

Media Matters shreds Owens up. Take it away, folks, I’m sure you have lots to say.

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The other piece to take a look at is David Mixner’s “DADT: They Are Killing Us Softly With Their Song.” His position is that while we finally have the President and his military leaders Defense Secretary of Defense Gates and Chairman of the Joint Chiefs Admiral Mullen strongly on the record for repeal in a very public way,

it’s not time for a happy dance

by any stretch of the imagination.

The problem is that DADT isn’t going to end in the near future - not even this year. These new converts are asking for a year long study and then maybe at least another year before implementation. After all is said and done, the implication is that once they ‘study’ us one more time, they might slowly integrate us into the Armed Forces over the next few years.

What do they mean they have to ‘study’ for a year our impact on the military if we are allowed to serve openly? How offensive is that?

Along with the unnecessary study about the impact of DADT on the agenda, the focus needs to be on Congress and its foot-dragging. Flip-flopping John McCain, who said he “needed to hear from the generals first” before his final decision, looked positively feeble and fossilized up there at the hearing. He offerws up discredited Elaine “homo flow chart” Donnelly’s letter w/1,500 flag officers supporting DADT. A letter signed by officials mostly over 70 years old, four of whom passed away even before the letter was published. The side of discrimination has no credibility left—what is Congress waiting for?

[T]he fact still remains on a daily basis we must lie who we are to our family, friends and those who lives depend on us. We must never acknowledge a loved one at home nor admit that we have a life like anyone else. We must continue to dehumanize ourselves for the comfort of others for an antiquated policy that should have never been implemented in the first place. Our soldiers who die in combat have to think of their partners who will be denied full rights in their heroic deaths. Who will not be even allowed to accept the flag as their loved one is buried. What kind of change is this? Not much of a one!

...Congress should act immediately for the full repeal of DADT and we should refuse to support or give money to anyone who does not support such an effort. In less than a year, we will face a Congress that is less friendly than the one now. Do we really believe our chances will be much better next year than this year?

Repeal it now. Stop the crap and deal with us as full American citizens. The policy is offensive, obscene and immoral. There is no reason to study us; just embrace our talents, gifts and patriotism.

 

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Posted by Pam Spaulding on 08:47 PM • (57) Comments

Right now, the military should be making plans to phase in openly gay and lesbian officers and enlisted. That’s what this year should be about, so that only Congress needs to catch up.

From what I heard on the radio, the Marines appear to be the stumbling block. They take high school boys—as young as 17—and promise to turn them into MEN. No adolescent needing external verification of his male identity will want to be mistaken for a gay guy, even in jest.

Comment #1: Hector B.  on  02/03  at  09:21 PM

What could be more bizarre than citing the ancient Greeks as purported authority for the proposition that gays ought not to serve in the military?

Comment #2: rea  on  02/03  at  09:48 PM

They are fighting repeal so hard because once gays are accepted in the military, sports will follow.  Then their war will be lost.  There will no longer be any justification for their bigotry.  All of society will follow and young people will be completely free to live their lives as they choose.

Comment #4: jackspratt  on  02/03  at  10:07 PM

Does Owens want women out of the military?

Depends on who’s asking, and in what forum. When he’s at a cocktail party among friends, I’d bet the rent money he does.

Comment #5: RickMassimo  on  02/03  at  11:30 PM

The presence of open homosexuals in the close confines of ships or military units opens the possibility that eros—which unlike philia is sexual, and therefore individual and exclusive—will be unleashed into the environment.

Huh? Owens’ point only holds (barely) water if everybody on said ship, or in said unit, were also homosexual. Is Owens suggesting that the Army or Marines would form queer-only platoons and then they would all go nuts on each other? What we’re talking about is one guy in a company whom the others may or may not know is gay based on how out he wants to be to his comrades, and who also knows that a bunch of straight guys around him are not interested. Gay men—hard as it is for these people to believe—are not interested in hitting on guys who they know aren’t going to reciprocate.

The only other way to take Owens’ observations here—and this may actually be what he’s thinking—is that the mere presence of even the minutest amount Teh Gay in a unit will somehow spread, virus-like, until everyone is sporting handle-bar mustaches and replacing their body armor with assless chaps. What does it say about Owens’ understanding of his own and others’ sexuality that one or two gay guys around him could suddenly arouse these kinds of uncontrollable feelings such that he would drive his Humvee over a landmine because he was distracted checking out his buddy’s ass? I’ve lived and worked closely (not in the military) with gay guys, and never once did they show the least interest in me, nor did I suddenly feel myself overwhelmed with “eros” towards them. But that’s just me, right Mr. Owens?

Comment #6: jonas  on  02/03  at  11:31 PM

If gay service members come out of the closet, the barracks will instantly become a cruising bar, complete with a disco ball and rocket-propelled grenades

This makes me rethink my long-standing commitment to pacifism.

Comment #7: felagund  on  02/03  at  11:50 PM

If that’s his description of eros, he don’t know much, do he?

Comment #8: paul  on  02/04  at  12:14 AM

I’m actually in favor of a ban of hetrosexuals in the military.  How can they keep their minds on the job when they just want to get back to the safe areas for a bit of R&R;with prostitutes? 

An all-gay fighting force would have much better unit cohesion (I know I’d fight harder if my lover was in my platoon.)

Also, gays and lesbians are more used to dealing with attacks from random bigots.  This gives them a big leg-up in the not-getting-killed sweepstakes.

Comment #9: gorobei  on  02/04  at  01:11 AM

And lest we forget, the actual policy is Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell, DON’T PURSUE.

Comment #10: mythago  on  02/04  at  01:52 AM

Does Owens want women out of the military?

Rhetorical question and already addressed, but : yes, he does. Unless he’s self-deluded in addition to being a stupid bigot.

Comment #11: Caravelle  on  02/04  at  08:18 AM

. Gay men—hard as it is for these people to believe—are not interested in hitting on guys who they know aren’t going to reciprocate.

It is hard for these people to believe this because I posit they’re the kind of men who constantly hit on women who have told them time and again they aren’t interested.

And gorobei:  The unit-cohesion argument you posit is exactly why the Greek military encouraged their soldiers to have gay lovers.

Comment #12: speedbudget  on  02/04  at  10:06 AM

. Gay men—hard as it is for these people to believe—are not interested in hitting on guys who they know aren’t going to reciprocate.

It is hard for these people to believe this because I posit they’re the kind of men who constantly hit on women who have told them time and again they aren’t interested.

And gorobei:  The unit-cohesion argument you posit is exactly why the Greek military encouraged their soldiers to have gay lovers.

Comment #13: speedbudget  on  02/04  at  10:06 AM

Shoot.  So sorry for the double post.

Comment #14: speedbudget  on  02/04  at  10:07 AM

If a soldier is too weak to handle the idea of working with a gay person, or, more likely, to weak to handle the possibility that said gay person won’t hit on him and therefore crush his delicate ego, then that soldier is not somebody that I want protecting my country.  It’s as simple as that.  We’d be much better off kicking out the homophobes and letting the sensible straight and gay people continue to serve.

The men who are afraid of gay people serving openly are only afraid that gay men will act toward them the way they act toward women, which is terribly.  By getting rid of these homophobes, we’d cut out a good portion of the men who are likely to commit assault or harassment, while leaving the soldiers with integrity behind.

Comment #15: bananacat  on  02/04  at  10:58 AM

The unit-cohesion argument you posit is exactly why the Greek military encouraged their soldiers to have gay lovers.

You’ve heard of soldiers having a “battle buddy”? The Greeks found it effective to add another word in the middle.

Comment #16: Gracchus.  on  02/04  at  11:44 AM

Yes, he and the rest of them in fact DO want women out of the military.  And let’s not forget that those paragons of “commaradship and friendship” are sexually assaulting one out of three of their sisters.

Comment #17: JennyLI  on  02/04  at  11:54 AM

An all-gay fighting force would have much better unit cohesion

Plato, quoting Socrates (an openly gay veteran combat infantryman), made that point about 2400 years ago.  Whose opinion do you care about more than that of your lover?  Would not a military unit composed of lovers therefore be one in which everyone performed to their utmost abilities?

Comment #18: rea  on  02/04  at  12:05 PM

Non sequitur in the discussion, but I am really loving just how pathetic anti-gay voices and defenders are coming across in all of this, DADT and the Prop 8 trial, too. Of course we’ve already known that it is about hate (and patriarchy), but gayness has gotten to the point that it is mainstream enough and nonthreatening enough that the scare tactics are laughable.

Check-out this brutal take-down of Bill Kristol by The Economist. I know the Economists doesn’t exactly play nicely with its fellow right-wingers (they have even come out in favor of drug legalization), but the brutality of the piece is… a bit shocking: http://www.economist.com/blogs/democracyinamerica/2010/02/gays_military_1

Of course, Bill Kristol was asking for it, as he so often is.

Comment #19: humanadverb  on  02/04  at  12:21 PM

If you follow the link to Owens’ article, be sure to read the readers’ comments.  They are… uh…. instructive.

Comment #20: ummeli  on  02/04  at  12:30 PM

this is simply a rehash of the arguments made in 1952, when pres. truman, by executive order, integrated the military: unit cohesion, etc, etc, etc.

considering the number of soldiers kept on, through “stop-gap”, after their contracts were up, i suspect they’d be more than happy to have recruits replace them, regardless of their orientation.

Comment #21: cpinva  on  02/04  at  12:51 PM

If that’s his description of eros, he don’t know much, do he?

He’s using C.S. Lewis’ definitions which have only a tangental relationship to what the Greeks actually thought.

Comment #22: Sarcastro  on  02/04  at  01:17 PM

And lest we forget, the actual policy is Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell, DON’T PURSUE. - Mythago

As someone pointed out earlier, how many people have been discharged for “asking”?

NPR had someone on yesterday who was discharged under DADT because the military pursued evidence that he was gay.  Is this really an effective use of resources?  And yet who got discharged (although at least they gave the officer in question an honorable discharge)?

In some ways, it’s very interesting (on many levels) that the anti-gay bigots are now defending DADT.

Comment #23: DAS  on  02/04  at  01:44 PM

brutality, humanadverb (@ #19)?  hardly.  Who knew that I could be arrested for making my students think logically, and using logic to show them where their thinking became fallacious. 

I would have gone farther then, and perhaps Kristol would have been rendered seriously injured by my using the “self-contradictory assault” on him.

As an intellectual matter, gays in the military is a not uninteresting question. We have our views, as does President Obama, and we are not averse to debating the issue. But surely there are more pressing and important matters for our political and military leaders to be spending their time on.

Neocons constantly harp that it is mushy liberal relativism and tolerance that is destroying morals. Yet here Kristol “gives himself a blighty” by arguing that what he, just lines earlier, claimed was a moral question is actually a matter or mere preference, like flavors of ice cream, on which all opinions are subjective and therefore of equally validity.  In which case, Mr. Kristol and his ilk can just skip dessert.

Comment #24: phylosopher  on  02/04  at  02:05 PM

Pam wrote:

Along with the unnecessary study about the impact of DADT on the agenda, the focus needs to be on Congress and its foot-dragging.

Given that the President took a whole year to decide to do what he said he would do during the campaign, I don’t know why you’d blast the Congress and its foot-dragging.

Comment #25: Dana  on  02/04  at  02:16 PM

Interesting how people who have probably never been anywhere near anything remotely military have these wonderful romantic notions about the nature of military service and life.

Comment #26: Ms Kate  on  02/04  at  03:40 PM

“Interesting how people who have probably never been anywhere near anything remotely military have these wonderful romantic notions about the nature of military service and life.”

...I’m getting the feeling that military life consists entirely of taking serial showers.  Is that about right?...

smile

Comment #27: MikeEss  on  02/04  at  03:53 PM

...I’m getting the feeling that military life consists entirely of taking serial showers.  Is that about right?…

...between all the shirtless volleyball games, yes.
This is why we need macho masculine men with their assault rifles under their pillows.


WOLVERINES!!!

Comment #28: cynickal  on  02/04  at  04:38 PM

Mr Ess wrote:

...I’m getting the feeling that military life consists entirely of taking serial showers.  Is that about right?…

We’re thinking of the shower scene from Starship Troopers!  smile

Comment #29: Dana  on  02/04  at  04:44 PM

I hate this idea of being fucking “studied”.  Being gay is not a rare medical condition nor an endangered species.  My Ethics class has a chapter on homosexuality later this semester.  I can’t wait until the class starts to fucking dissect me.  I will be kicking ass and taking names.

Comment #30: BadKitty  on  02/04  at  04:45 PM

cynickal wrote:

This is why we need macho masculine men with their assault rifles under their pillows.

When you start Basic Combat Training, you are issued an M-16-A2, which you will keep with you at all times, in every place but the latrine.

Comment #31: Dana  on  02/04  at  04:47 PM

One thing that really annoys me is that these people who are concerned about OMG! gay! frat! completely overlook same-sex fraternization that is non-sexual in nature that already hurts unit cohesion.  I know of many units that have had problems because some suck-up junior (usually male, but that may just be the numbers game) gets favors from some senior-ranking person who likes to be sucked up to.  Commanders and senior sergeants with “pets” really hurt unit cohesion, even when there is no boinking.  And I don’t think I’ve ever seen it punished.  Unless it is an opposite-sex pair, whether or not the opposite-sex pair is actually engaged in boinking/a “romantic” relationship or just plain favoritism.

Comment #32: Ismone  on  02/04  at  04:56 PM

“When you start Basic Combat Training, you are issued an M-16-A2, which you will keep with you at all times, in every place but the latrine.”

...which sounds like a huge security issue to me.  What happens when the Ruskies or the ChiComs are dropping down on the ends of parachutes right into the Heartland of America and there you are in the latrine with no rifle?

I bet that no-rifle-in-the-latrine crap started with Klinton, didn’t it?  Or maybe it was Karter…

Comment #33: MikeEss  on  02/04  at  05:09 PM

exactly, Ismone, and much of that fraternization may be based on overt religiosity - so there’s the argument to ban fundernuts form the military - woohoo!

Comment #34: phylosopher  on  02/04  at  05:10 PM

@ badkitty#30 - unless you’re at Fundie U, it’s unlikely to be that.  What makes you think it will be?

Comment #35: phylosopher  on  02/04  at  05:14 PM

Dana,

Depends on the branch.  I’d have to ask my army peeps, but I don’t think they had an M-16 during basic.  At the service academies, you only get a rubber ducky.

Comment #36: Ismone  on  02/04  at  05:40 PM

Mr Ess wrote:

I bet that no-rifle-in-the-latrine crap started with Klinton, didn’t it?  Or maybe it was Karter…

Of course not: it was a Republican who realized that there’s no sense getting water in your weapon.

Comment #37: Dana  on  02/04  at  05:41 PM

Ismone:  My older daughter went through Army BCT just last year; she named her weapon “Lucy,” which was a diminutive for Lucifer.  You aren’t issued live ammunition for your weapon except under controlled circumstances, but you will learn to carry your weapon with you at all times.

Apparently her weapon had seen rather significant use before she got it, but it was good enough for her to have hit four-out-of five at 300 meters.

Comment #38: Dana  on  02/04  at  05:46 PM

So your daughter is either sleeping with Satan or another female.

Comment #39: phylosopher  on  02/04  at  06:17 PM

phylosopher, I’m not sure if you’re joking with Dana or not, but that sounded kind of over the line.

Say what you want about Dana (he can take it), but his daughters didn’t choose him as their dad.  I think it’s probably best under most circumstances to leave them out of it…

(Yes, I know he brought her up first, but…)

IMHO, for what it’s worth…

Comment #40: MikeEss  on  02/04  at  06:31 PM

Mike, yes, I was joking. His daughter, if she is in the army is an adult - not a five y o.  And he’s responding to a post about sleeping with weapons.  And it’s absolutely fair game - you know damn well that if the table was turned some loony on his side of it would claim that post as evidence of “see those liberals are raising Satanists and even braggin’ about it.”

If I were you Mike, I’d have that funnybone checked - it seems to be malfunctioning.

Comment #41: phylosopher  on  02/04  at  06:47 PM

phylospher, maybe it’s because I have a soon to be 19-year old daughter myself.  I’d be pissed if somebody was talking badly of my daughter, even if they thought it was a joke against me.  Dana may often be a clueless ass, but he’s still a proud father.

I would like our space to be a credit to our decency, and not just a mirror image of the hate all too often found on wingnut sites…

Comment #42: MikeEss  on  02/04  at  06:59 PM

DADT is the dumbest pile of poo ever.  Why would the homophobes being trying to stop gay people from going over to some remote nation (where nobody wants us) and getting their brains blown out.  You’d think that the wingers would be jumping on any chance to ship gay people to their death while they stay home and drink the sweet mojito of freedom.

Comment #43: Seth  on  02/04  at  07:06 PM

When you start Basic Combat Training, you are issued an M-16-A2, which you will keep with you at all times, in every place but the latrine.

Note for potential Aotearoa Liberation Front handbook - “hit them when they’re in the shitter”.  Got it.

Comment #44: Phoenician in a time of Romans  on  02/04  at  07:11 PM

Got it Mike, you’re one of those ostriches who think neither your parents nor your children are sexual beings, especially your female children - which I think says a lot more about your patriarchal views and your prudery than about the risque factor of a one liner.

But the really funny part is that it wasn’t even a sexual joke.  It was a pun, an intentional fallacy of equivocation.  I think I’ve seen worse in the in-laws’ copy of Reader’s Digest.  And yes, it would be hate-filled on a wingnut site because they would be serious, believing both that Satan is real and homosexuality is evil.  AS a mild dig, on a site that seems largely and firmly atheist and irreligious, and strongly supportive of LGBT rights (to put it mildly) it should be pretty obvious that it isn’t meant as even a possible reality based statement.

Comment #45: phylosopher  on  02/04  at  10:35 PM

I expect rough humor here, so I’m not offended; I do have a rather thick skin, and I’m sure that my daughter would have laughed, too.

As for sleeping with another female, I saw her barracks at the end of BCT: a big bay (pictures here) with luxury accommodations for sixty!  She had 59 roommates during BCT.

Comment #46: Dana  on  02/04  at  11:35 PM

I think Mike had a point, why are you using the troll’s daughter as a punching target?

Comment #47: Crissa  on  02/04  at  11:41 PM

Judging from the comments on that site, you, your daughter and her friends DO have a sense of humor.  But seriously, photos like that barracks do make wingnut fears about rescinding DADT resulting in sexual trysting pretty silly.

Comment #48: phylosopher  on  02/04  at  11:42 PM

Fair enough…

And I probably have had more than my fair of exposure to the patriarchy.  As the father of a daughter whom I love dearly, and the husband of a wife who tolerates my issues, I’ve tried to go out of my way to defuse a lot of what got stuffed in when I was growing up (I’m also damn near 50, and it was a different world when I grew up).  But I’m sure it comes out far more often than I would like.  That’s one of many reasons I like to hang here and get exposed to feminist and liberal thinking.

And I am probably much more of a prude than many here, although I typically don’t bring my hangups into these discussions — I already know how I feel about things, good or bad, I’m far more interested in learning how other people feel about things, so I actually do a lot more “listening” than commenting (believe it or not).

And I am probably on the over-protective side with my daughter (our one and only child).  And even though I’ve tangled with Dana plenty of times, there is also a part of me that feels sorry fir him.  And these days, anybody’s kid going into the military strikes me as less than optimal, and I’d sure hate to find out that Dana’s daughter (or anybody’s daughter or son) is being sent into the shit.

Your comment struck me in a certain way, I reacted, said my peace, explained myself, you’ve explained yourself, and that’s the end of it…

Comment #49: MikeEss  on  02/04  at  11:47 PM

Crissa, seriously?  WTF are you objecting to?  Dana used his ADULT daughter as an example, adding that she had named her weapon Lucifer.  He was responding to posts claiming that soldiers were required to sleep with their M-16’s.  “Sleeping with the Devil” is the title of songs, book and films.  It is a trope in our society, with more literal meaning for the fundernuts (see Pat Robertson - Haiti - recent).  I did little more than connect the dots in an amusing way.

Comment #50: phylosopher  on  02/04  at  11:52 PM

@ Mike #49.  Shake?

Comment #51: phylosopher  on  02/04  at  11:56 PM

Phylosopher wrote:

But seriously, photos like that barracks do make wingnut fears about rescinding DADT resulting in sexual trysting pretty silly.

Well, that’s just for basic.  Once you get to Advanced Individual Training, things get a little better, and once out of AIT, and into BEQ, you’re talking smaller settings yet. 

My daughter did note that a trainee from her unit and a male from another did get “restarted” in BCT for “fraternization,” but that was obviously not in a sixty-rack bay.  Others got busted for trying to cage cigarettes from DFAC workers, and one girl in her unit caught Hell because an inspection turned up mascara in her locker.

Comment #52: Dana  on  02/05  at  12:03 AM

Mr Ess wrote:

And these days, anybody’s kid going into the military strikes me as less than optimal, and I’d sure hate to find out that Dana’s daughter (or anybody’s daughter or son) is being sent into the shit.

Make that daughters, because our younger daughter will be leaving for BCT at Ft Jackson on 22 June; she’s already doing Reserve drills with her unit.

Our older daughter’s Reserve unit received up-armored Humvees a few months ago, something not exactly needed in the wilds of Pennsylvania.  There is no official word yet, but her unit expects to be deployed to Afghanistan, probably in the fall or next winter.  It’s an engineering detachment, primarily surveyors, so the best guess is that they’d be working infrastructure construction.

Comment #53: Dana  on  02/05  at  12:08 AM

Shake…

Comment #54: MikeEss  on  02/05  at  12:08 AM

In a way, she actually wants to be deployed.  I keep hearing how the other ROTC students, the ones who haven’t been through BCT and AIT, “aren’t really soldiers” and don’t have a clue.  (She’s the only one in her year who’s been through BCT/AIT.)  Nothing would please her more than to go back to ROTC with a deployed unit patch on her right sleeve.  Call it the Army version of street cred.

Comment #55: Dana  on  02/05  at  12:13 AM

Dana, all the more reason for the US to get out of Afghanistan and Iraq ASAP.  Nobody should have to be (pointlessly) exposed to danger because of the hubris of people who didn’t have the fortitude to serve when they were asked (that would be Bush Jr. and Darth Cheney, and I’m know there have been plenty of other chickenhawks too…)

I hope all goes well for the both of them…and if they get deployed in any of the bad spots, here’s to returning home safe and sound…

Comment #56: MikeEss  on  02/05  at  12:15 AM

Well, Mr Ess, both Iraq and Afghanistan were going on when they raised their right hands and took their oaths; they knew what they were doing.  I don’t know if I’d be more worried about them going to Afghanistan, or to Temple University, which is surrounded by the combat zone in Philadelphia.

It’s kind of in the family: both of their grandfathers, and one of their grandmothers (my mom) were in the Army, and the only reason I wasn’t is because my right eye was so bad.

Comment #57: Dana  on  02/05  at  12:28 AM

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Comment #58: wuwei  on  02/07  at  06:05 AM
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