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David Brooks’ masculinity crisis

It’s always been obvious David Brooks has always had a problem with women who succeed, but even I was surprised that his vendetta against famous, successful women became so hysterical this morning that he insinuated that Sandra Bullock should have been at home making a sandwich instead of winning an Oscar, and that would have saved her marriage. Even someone as dedicated to making sure that no woman who works makes more than minimum wage as Brooks usually makes an exception for Hollywood actresses, understanding that it would be disconcerting for modern audiences to adopt the Elizabethean practice of having young boys play female characters in the movies, and it would bring to a crashing halt the practice of having nude sex scenes in films.  Unless of course you only made movies for the Catholic priest population, but I just don’t see that bringing in the big bucks that Hollywood has grown accustomed to.

Oh sure, Brooks employs some plausible deniability.  After using Bullock as an example, he proceeds to make a gender-neutral argument about how money doesn’t bring you the kind of happiness that love can.  Which is great and all, but his implication throughout is that the two are mutually exclusive, and this is a standard-issue misogynist argument designed to encourage women to give up their careers and also believe that they are inferior to men, who are assumed to be able to have it all with time left to golf or play video games.  Brooks may have convinced himself he was encouraging men to look after the emotional health of their marriages as well as women, but this is clearly a lie.  How do I know?  Because it wasn’t Sandra Bullock getting an Oscar that blew up her marriage; it was Jesse James sleeping with a tattoo artist with a penchant for posing in neo-Nazi gear.  Unless Bullock grabbed his cock and directed it into this model, I think we can all safely say that James was the choice maker in this situation. 

Can you imagine a rewrite that positioned the actual choice-maker at the center of Brooks’ diatribe?

On the one hand, being a world-renowned chopper manufacturer and television star is nothing to sneeze at. James has earned the admiration of his peers in a way very few experience. He’ll make more money for years to come. He may even live longer. Research by Donald A. Redelmeier and Sheldon M. Singh has found that, on average, people with two successful careers live nearly four years longer than those with just one.

Nonetheless, if you had to take more than three seconds to think about this question, you are absolutely crazy. Marital happiness is far more important than anything else in determining personal well-being. If you have a successful marriage, it doesn’t matter how many professional setbacks you endure, you will be reasonably happy. If you have an unsuccessful marriage, it doesn’t matter how many career triumphs you record, you will remain significantly unfulfilled.

Maybe, but a reasonable person would point out that it wasn’t the motorcycles or the TV shows that were the problem, it was the rampant cheating. But of course, that’s the wife’s fault. If she had stayed home and made him a sandwich, he wouldn’t have cheated.  Men never cheat on bored housewives!  Ask Betty Draper. 

What, pray tell, is the source of Brooks’ latest freakout that has led him down the dangerous path of wishing that there weren’t any successful Hollywood actresses?  Why is he in such a crisis of anxious masculinity that the unique, self-contained Hollywood world is bothering him?  I’m afraid that we have to assume he’s upset because Nancy Pelosi took his balls.  When forced to consider the subject of Nancy Pelosi’s massive success as Speaker of the House—-success many people like Brooks would not think a woman capable of—-he said this, after Mark Shields suggested Pelosi is the most powerful female political figure in our history:

JIM LEHRER: Do you buy that, David?

DAVID BROOKS: I’m trying to think of alternatives.

Some people say Edith Wilson was very powerful when Woodrow Wilson had a stroke.

Already we’re deep into wanker territory.  But it gets worse!  Because Brooks simply cannot accept that a woman might acquire power the way a man can, by working hard and winning elections and getting good at her job. 

DAVID BROOKS: But, certainly, this is a great accomplishment. And sort of it’s an interesting picture of what it takes to succeed in a job like this.

She is not a great speaker—I mean a spokesperson, a communicator. I personally don’t think she’s great on policy. But she has the skills to know how to control this body, which is a fractious body, even when you have a majority. And, so, those skills are maybe in her blood from her father and her brother, but also skills that she really possesses. And there’s no denying she is a very effective legislator.

If you’re going to force him to admit that she’s good at her job—-which he does under great pain, no doubt—-he’s going to give credit to her male relatives.  And then he’s going to run off and tell Sandra Bullock it’s her fault her husband cheated, because she insisted on winning that Oscar.

Yes, it’s 2010, people, and that’s in the op-ed pages of the NY Times.

 

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Posted by Amanda Marcotte on 09:44 AM • (79) Comments

This is a MAJOR pet peeve of mine: the concept that men can’t possibly be expected to control themselves or live up to their promises.  No.  It is up to women to say no to them or to be the perfect wives. 

Men controlling their own impulses?  Out of the question - it was that evil “other woman” who went after a married man, never the married man not keeping HIS promises.  It is always “the wife wasn’t doing her part so he had to stray” and never a simple matter of immature deceitful asshats reneging on the obligations to relationships which they agreed to.

Comment #1: Ms Kate  on  03/30  at  10:32 AM

Of course Pelosi couldn’t have honed those skills raising 5 closely spaced youngsters and being active in their school and social communties.  Hell no!

Comment #2: Ms Kate  on  03/30  at  10:34 AM

Are you sure I haven’t woken up in 1910 this morning? 

What I don’t get is why men like Brooks feel so emasculated by a woman who is successful in an entirely different career field than them - I can see being unnerved that there is some serious competition for the job you’ve never had to work very hard for when half the workforce was prevented from competing, but he’s way over into pearl-clutching territory.

Why, it’s as if he doesn’t want to give up any of the male privilege he so steadily denies he has!  Who’d have thunk it?

Comment #3: attack_laurel  on  03/30  at  10:40 AM

Wow. The reference to Pelosi’s father and brother are just so out of the blue it’s ridiculous. Why would that even pop into his head?

Comment #4: penn  on  03/30  at  10:44 AM

David Brooks should be sent to cover a PTA or PTO meeting where there are contentious items on the agenda.  It might provide some insight. 

I know a state senator whose campaign I volunteered for who says that being a rep or a senator is far less fraught than being involved in PTA politics, even if rep and senator are full time jobs.

Comment #5: Ms Kate  on  03/30  at  10:47 AM

Until I started reading Pandagon & other similar feminist/liberal/progressive blogs, I seriously didn’t understand how completely fucking insanely misogynist the culture can be. Or, maybe I was just sparing myself from realizing. In any case, I’m aware now.

Comment #6: atheist  on  03/30  at  10:52 AM

As far as I can tell, Sanda Bullock’s only mistake was marrying a cheating douchebag. Why is the immediate reaction to ask, “what could the wife have done to prevent this?” You know, maybe she just married a bad person that she’s better off without. Why is Jesse James so worth being married to that Brooks feels the need to scold Bullock about her career?

Comment #7: Tyro  on  03/30  at  10:56 AM

Most douches are only 10% douche, but good op-ed pages choose Douchey-Douche.  Douchey-Douches,  like David Brooks, are 100% douche!

Comment #8: Mireille  on  03/30  at  11:01 AM

And, so, those skills are maybe in her blood from her father and her brother, but also skills that she really possesses.

The second half of that sentence is even weirder than the first. It’s like he was thinking that if she had somehow inherited her skills from her father and brother (!) he could argue she didn’t actually have skills. Then he noticed that that was insane before it fully emerged from his mouth, and ended up with word salad.

Comment #9: daisyparker  on  03/30  at  11:03 AM

da fuck?

Comment #10: leedevious  on  03/30  at  11:08 AM

I understand how one gets proverbial blood from one’s father, but how the fuck does one get said proverbial blood from one’s brother?  I mean, short of technology we have yet to develop.

“Why is Jesse James so worth being married to that Brooks feels the need to scold Bullock about her career?”

Based on the first season of his first show and everything I’ve caught him in thereafter, I think we can stop asking that question after the “married to.”

Comment #11: preying mantis  on  03/30  at  11:08 AM

Dude, when your husband - who has already gone through a divorce once - cheats on you with a tatted up Nazi, blaming the wife is a really big stretch.  You could, perhaps, get on Sandra Bullock’s case for marrying the guy in the first place.  But honestly, I’m not sure why anyone would take the Snooze Hour host’s advice as relationship guru when his political punditry is so god-awful to begin with.

I mean, at this point it seems like Brooks just doesn’t want to discuss the fact that DEMOCRATS PWNED HIS PARTY’S FACE over the last month.  I’d be talking about Sandra Bullock too, if it would get the eyes off my personal shame.

Comment #12: Zifnab25  on  03/30  at  11:27 AM

If Sandra Bullock hadn’t won, would we now be reading some douchnozzle say that the reason her husband cheated was because she wasn’t successful enough? I mean c’mon, she was just a nominee, he couldn’t be expected to be faithful to someone who couldn’t even win.

My partner suggested that the “Best Actress Curse” should be seen as a blessing - these women have finally achieved a level of success in their lives that inspires them to break free from the losers on whom they’d previously based their self-worth. As sad as it is that any woman would need the approval of a man, it’s wonderful that these afflicted women are able to overcome their upbringing with their shiny gold statues.

Comment #13: cifweltr  on  03/30  at  11:39 AM

“All the magazines were echoing Farnham and Lundberg’s ‘Modern Woman: The Lost Sex,’ which came out in 1942, with its warning that careers and higher education were leading to the ‘masculinization of women with enormously dangerous consequences to the home, the children dependent on it and to the ability of the woman, as well as her husband, to obtain sexual gratification.’”

—Betty Friedan, “The Feminine Mystique.”

Comment #14: ryang  on  03/30  at  11:45 AM

I understand how one gets proverbial blood from one’s father, but how the fuck does one get said proverbial blood from one’s brother?  I mean, short of technology we have yet to develop.


Yes, it didn’t make sense to me at first. But then I remembered that David Brooks is a man, and there’s some lone meat in my kitchen waiting to be slapped on some bread.

Comment #15: Emily  on  03/30  at  11:46 AM

With my husband unemployed and at home and me working longer hours, all I can say is that IF he’s getting any from anybody else, he’s going to be pretty sore!  We’re both more interested when we’re less time stressed!

Comment #16: Ms Kate  on  03/30  at  11:53 AM

Has anyone ever seen Brooks and Douchhat at the same time?  I’m wondering if they’re really the same person.

OTOH, I guess if Douchhat complained about Bullock, he’d probably blame using birth control for her problems with Jesse “Douche” James, besides the affront of having a career…

And considering what Pelosi has had to work with, she’s kicked some pretty good ass.  Brooks has a lot of nerve to discount her abilities.  If he wants to look into the face of unmerited success based on little talent, he should find a mirror…or watch Beck…

Comment #17: MikeEss  on  03/30  at  11:54 AM

“Some women choose to follow men, and some women choose to follow their dreams. If you’re wondering which way to go, remember that your career will never wake up and tell you that it doesn’t love you anymore.”—Lady Gaga, in Cosmo magazine. (Yes, you read that right.)

Somebody probably dumped David Brooks to go to grad school however many years ago, or something like that.

Comment #18: thecynicalromantic  on  03/30  at  11:58 AM

After using Bullock as an example, he proceeds to make a gender-neutral argument about how money doesn’t bring you the kind of happiness that love can.

This is a great example of Brooksie’s M.O.: take a platitude from the idealistic youth of the Boomers (“money can’t buy happiness, ma-an!”), and twist it to justify their supporting the most rancid and selfish conservative ideology in their old age (“career b*tch wasn’t lookin’ after her man, amirite?”). Every one of his columns illustrates the nature of his particular Straussian bargain.

Yes, it’s 2010, people, and that’s in the op-ed pages of the NY Times.

The NYT may think including Bo-Bo (and Douthat) is a good compromise to fulfill the “requirement” for the paper to have conservative columnists who aren’t drooling morons (hi, Bill Kristol!), but the practise of publishing douchey intellectual cowards has a downside to brand credibility as well.

Comment #19: Gracchus.  on  03/30  at  11:58 AM

Nonetheless, if you had to take more than three seconds to think about this question, you are absolutely crazy. Marital happiness is far more important than anything else in determining personal well-being.

Is there any actual research (or even bullshit evo psych research) about this, or is it just one of those things he thinks should be true? I’m a happily married woman in a successful marriage, and I just can’t conceive of this being true. Important, certainly, but “far more important than anything else”? That seems like a suspiciously unsupported proclamation.

Comment #20: Av0gadro  on  03/30  at  12:05 PM

Maybe I’ve said it here before, or somewhere else, but it’s become my boilerplate response for Brooks columns: “David Brooks makes me want to go back in time and kill the grandparents of the person who invented sociology.”

Comment #21: norbizness  on  03/30  at  12:12 PM

“Pelosi is the most powerful female political figure in our history”

This is true (I’m no historian, so I’m framing this in my own lifetime). Before the passage of HCR, I might’ve said Hillary Clinton because I think she’s doing a great job as Secretary of State. After watching her handle the house & get HCR passed, I have no doubt it is Nancy Pelosi.

Also, David Brooks is a fucking WATB.

Comment #22: Mark  on  03/30  at  12:15 PM

I was saddened that Sandra Bullock won an Oscar for her role in a horribly racist movie. She played a great character that I hated, on par with the serial killer in Silence of the Lambs.

I would have loved for David Brooks to address how the movie preaches that black children can only be saved from evil, lazy black people by rich, white, good Christians.

I didn’t think anyone actually paid attention to tabloid divorce stories.

Comment #23: I Heart Puppies  on  03/30  at  12:23 PM

Well, wait a minute.  I disagree right off the bat with his assertion that if you have a successful marriage you will be happy no matter how many professional setbacks you suffer.

Now I will have to wade through the rest of this horseshit, but right there, his entire premise is crap.  A happy relationship is certainly a component of a happy life, but it does not make a happy life, and, you can also have a happy life without one.

And this is from someone who is in a happy, long term, very sexually rewarding, relationship.

Comment #24: JennyLI  on  03/30  at  12:34 PM

I can’t read it all.  i don’t give a shit what David Brooks thinks about policy, why should I care what he thinks about marriage? 

I call bullshit on his whole worldview.  The older I get, the more I realize the great comfort, support, and plain old FUN, I get out of my relationships with my girlfriends.

If my romantic relationship were to end (and it would probably be death that would intervene) I am not sure I would pursue another one for some time, if ever.  And I think that between my career which brings me great challenges and satisfactions (as well as some disappointments), my family, and my girlfriends, I can still have a very satisfying and fulfilling, even happy, life.

He’s just an asshole.  He has always been an asshole.

Comment #25: JennyLI  on  03/30  at  12:39 PM

Oh wow, love the Lady Gaga quote!  But isn’t that sentiment considered blasphemous on the pages of Cosmo?

Comment #26: JennyLI  on  03/30  at  12:42 PM

As a punk with some (antifa) skinhead friends, I’ve met enough late teens/early twenties boys and girls with too much interest in nazi gears who find it “hilarious” to do Nazi salutes to know that they all end up coming out the closet as actual fascists within a few years. Jesse was banging a neo-nazi. No doubts about it in my mind. Also, W and P tattoos on each leg? Dead giveaway. The only people who do frivolous tattoos that don’t have actual significations or deep meaning for them only ever get one or a measly few. When half your body is inked up, they usually all mean something to you because you see your body as a canvas and every piece needs to fit your personality somehow.

Also, “poor judgement” Jesse? Please. I can see hypothetical scenarios when cheating once is bad judgement. Having an affair over 11 months and having multiple mistresses, that’s deliberate. Your only poor judgement is in not choosing decent human beings to sleep with, and being willing to have sex with a nazi if she’s hot enough.

Comment #27: BlackBloc  on  03/30  at  01:18 PM

“But what happens when the fans wake up and tell you they don’t love you anymore?”

You’ve still created a great deal, done what you wanted, and lived your life on your terms?  You’re assuming it’s coming from the point of view of a “celebrity” rather than an “artist.” And goals and ambitions are usually far less fickle than a person who’s presenting you with an either-or choice—them or your dreams.

Comment #28: preying mantis  on  03/30  at  01:45 PM

Maybe Sandra worked too much and neglected Jessie. Maybe Jessie wasn’t honest about his tattoo fetish and nothing Sandra could have done mattered. Who knows?

One thing we do know, Jesse James was consistently dishonest about one thing in particular—and it’s a biggie. What you and Brooksie don’t get is that the rest is beside the point, especially when you’re supposedly focused on the issue of a happy marriage.

I don’t really give a hang about celebrity sex scandals in and of themselves. But I find the ways in which social conservatives and MRA/PUA/NiceGuy® types twist them to serve their own purposes fascinating.

Comment #29: Gracchus.  on  03/30  at  01:55 PM

Shorter Bobo:

Brothers! Oh, brothers! We have all gathered here, to preserve our hallowed culture and heritage! We aim to pull evil up by the root, before it chokes out the flower of our culture and heritage! And our women, let’s not forget those ladies, y’all. Looking to us for protection! From darkies, from Jews, from papists, and from all those smart-ass folks say we come descended from monkeys!

Comment #30: encephalopath  on  03/30  at  02:11 PM

“...remember that your career will never wake up and tell you that it doesn’t love you anymore.”—Lady Gaga

With all due respect to Lady Gaga, that’s not necessarily true for a popstar.  But it’s definitely something women don’t hear enough.

As for Brooks…I can’t even read that relentless douchebag’s blitherings unless he’s being quoted for evisceration purposes by Driftglass, Pandagon, et al.

Is it wrong that I’m glad I never saw “The Blind Side?”

Comment #31: Sour Kraut  on  03/30  at  02:14 PM

She is not a great speaker—I mean a spokesperson, a communicator. I personally don’t think she’s great on policy. But she has the skills to know how to control this body, which is a fractious body, even when you have a majority.

Chick’s no better than GWB, for Chrissakes.

In fact, Nancy Pelosi’s not a bit better than the late Sam Rayburn.

Comment #32: Hector B.  on  03/30  at  02:21 PM

My ex-wife knew James back when he was a roadie.
She says he was a douche then as well.

Honestly, I thought he was riding HER coattails because his TV shows had pretty much tanked.
But I do miss Monster Garage….

Comment #33: cynickal  on  03/30  at  02:27 PM

Brooks isreally good at saying something that sort of makes sense, i.e monay and a good career may not make you happy, and grafting stuff that makes no sense on to the stuff that sort of makes sense.  Maybe he got that skill from his father and brothers.

Comment #34: John Rove  on  03/30  at  02:29 PM

John Rove: it’s called a “Bullshit Artist”.

Comment #35: atheist  on  03/30  at  02:42 PM

The stuff about Sandra Bullock is absurd enough, but the payoff is in the last sentence of Brooks’ article:

Governments keep initiating policies they think will produce prosperity, only to get sacked, time and again, from their spiritual blind side.

IOW, governments, don’t bother making sure your citizens aren’t bankrupted or killed because they can’t get health insurance. That might get in the way of your hectoring them to make sandwiches for their husbands.

Comment #36: Bitter Scribe  on  03/30  at  02:46 PM

Maybe the real problem is that people take tabloid stories—even if they’re accurate—too seriously, and other people who claim to be serious think they can write something profound based on a sensationalized tabloid story.

Bill Clinton, in the part of My Life that everyone checked out first, explained why he played around with Monica Lewinsky: because she was there and he could.  My guess is that is the reason for the majority of fooling around, by both sexes.

Comment #37: Dana  on  03/30  at  02:53 PM

I am reading a book about Jerry Falwell and really the idea of taking a good idea and combining it with some really weird stuff is what built Mr Falwell’s ministry.  I am kind of envious of people who can do that and make lots of money. 

Puppies are cute, therefore everyone should send me money.  I will let you know if that works.

Comment #38: John Rove  on  03/30  at  02:55 PM

great post, I have to admit I just skipped over the Sandra Bullock argument to the happiness stuff which was mostly right, except for the inequality part.  I think Inequality usually does decrease happiness.

But reading it through your eyes, clearly the happiness part was just to smooth over the false choice argument.  Brooks is really good at writing in a way that gets liberals with a blind eye to gender/diversity issues to buy into his assumptions.

Comment #39: rivelino  on  03/30  at  02:58 PM

because she was there and he could. 

She also wanted him—no one flashes her thong by accident—and she was less than half his age. Those facts would tend to drown out any voices of common sense and decency in the Clintonian brain.

Comment #40: Hector B.  on  03/30  at  03:05 PM

In her blood from her BROTHER????  Someone explain genetics to this guy.

Comment #41: Eric_RoM  on  03/30  at  03:23 PM

Yeah, I’m having trouble getting on board with the idea that Sandra Bullock would be happier, healthier, and live longer if she’d managed to hang on to the guy who cheated on her with a Nazi.

Seriously.  A NAZI.  If your spouse bangs Nazis, you get I Win the Divorce points times infinity.

Comment #42: Shaenon  on  03/30  at  03:32 PM

“Pelosi is the most powerful female political figure in our history”
This is true (I’m no historian, so I’m framing this in my own lifetime). Before the passage of HCR, I might’ve said Hillary Clinton because I think she’s doing a great job as Secretary of State. After watching her handle the house & get HCR passed, I have no doubt it is Nancy Pelosi.

She’s one of the most powerful Speakers in US history, full stop. Historians are seriously debating whether the proper comparison for her is Rayburn or Clay. The entire conversation felt a little off, because of that, but Brooks’s little “well, it’s in her blood from her much less accomplished male relatives” quip was so far beyond the pale that mainline liberal sites (ones that don’t normally remark upon casual misogyny) were calling him an asshole.

Comment #43: Llelldorin  on  03/30  at  03:38 PM

Brothers! Oh, brothers! We have all gathered here, to preserve our hallowed culture and heritage! We aim to pull evil up by the root, before it chokes out the flower of our culture and heritage! And our women, let’s not forget those ladies, y’all. Looking to us for protection! From darkies, from Jews, from papists, and from all those smart-ass folks say we come descended from monkeys!

Why is the color guard colored? Who made them the color guard?

Comment #44: rhiain  on  03/30  at  03:52 PM

I seriously do NOT get the whole fake hand wringing for/about Sandra Bullock.
Her bf/husband/whatever he was was an asshole and stuck his dick in someone else (maybe many someones). That’s NO FAULT OF SANDRA’S.
Then we have the people who are so concerned about that guy’s young daughter that Sandra has “been raising as her own” and saying that she shouldn’t leave because of that.
So in their eyes Sandra is trapped five ways to Sunday and somehow it’s all HER fault. Damn her for being successful! Damn her for being a nice person to his kids! Damn her for obviously not respecting his cock enough!
It’s amazing to watch all the angst and “concern” play out.
I feel sorry for Sandra - don’t like her acting or any of her movies but seriously. No woman should have to go through this.

Comment #45: Danica Lefse Queen  on  03/30  at  03:52 PM

Seriously.  A NAZI.  If your spouse bangs Nazis, you get I Win the Divorce points times infinity.

This. I’m a million times more offended by that part than by the infidelity. I mean, in the hypothetical world where Sandra Bullocks and Jesse James have an open relationship and he’s allowed to sleep with other women on the side, I’d still be offended. If you have to cheat, cheat with better human beings, Jesse.

Comment #46: BlackBloc  on  03/30  at  04:14 PM

Actually I’m not monogamy obsessed, so that whole cheating makes you some kind of leper is lost on me. You need to read a little more Dan Savage.

...Oh, except there are lots of non-monogamous people among the regular readers of this blog who manage to be honest with everyone involved.  If you don’t get that the dishonesty is the problem, and if a racist, transphobic misogynist like Dan Savage is seriously your ideal arbiter of what goes on in respectful relationships, maybe you need to GTFO the internet and start having human relationships.  Just a thought.

Comment #47: themmases  on  03/30  at  04:44 PM

“Then we have the people who are so concerned about that guy’s young daughter that Sandra has “been raising as her own” and saying that she shouldn’t leave because of that.”

There’s no particular reason Bullock couldn’t keep right on raising her, if she wanted to and James is that unenthusiastic about parenting.  She wouldn’t be the first step-parent to take on the role of sole care-giver, and she’s certainly in a better position to do it than most who find themselves in that situation.

Comment #48: preying mantis  on  03/30  at  04:56 PM

Actually I’m not monogamy obsessed, so that whole cheating makes you some kind of leper is lost on me. You need to read a little more Dan Savage.

Again, you miss the point. If a couple have an arrangement or have an open relationship, that’s cool (I’m an NSA type myself). The problematic part (as Dan Savage tends to agree) is the deception and dishonesty. The term “cheating” implies deception.

Comment #49: Gracchus.  on  03/30  at  05:01 PM

Actually I’m not monogamy obsessed, so that whole cheating makes you some kind of leper is lost on me

There’s non-monogamy and then there’s CHEATING, dumbass. One is done by honest, upfront human beings, and the other is the action of a lying shitbag. I bet I can guess which one you are.

Comment #50: Well, what?  on  03/30  at  05:03 PM

By the way, realitybeam, whenever Dan Savage gets a question like:

“My partner isn’t putting out. What should I do?”

His general response isn’t “go ahead and cheat,” but goes something along the lines of: “Have a talk about why your sexual needs aren’t being met. If your partner is unwilling to meet those needs, suggest an open relationship. If your partner isn’t up for that, DTMFA.”

I’m surprised that a fan like you wouldn’t know that. Or rather I would be if it wasn’t patently obvious that the answer you want to hear is “go ahead and cheat.”

Comment #51: Gracchus.  on  03/30  at  05:17 PM

I actually read quite a bit of Dan Savage.  He seems to have his “agreed to be monogamous and slept around = cheating asshole” and “agreed to open relationship and honored the terms of that” people sorted.  If you can’t, than I can only wager that you are one of those douchbags that finds that your life goes easier if you “inform” your mate about your “non obsession with monogamy” after you have broken some promises, eh?

Not to say I have a problem with people who don’t do relationships or don’t do relationships with strings ... but you have to be honest about it and UP FRONT.

Comment #52: Ms Kate  on  03/30  at  05:19 PM

“And I frequently like to remind married people—particularly, married people who value monogamy—that they willingly assumed sole responsibility for their spouses’ sexual fulfillment.”

See #54. You erroneously equate non-monogamy in a relationship with cheating (i.e. deception).

Also, despite your claims to sophistication you’re apparently too narrow minded to understand that “sole responsibility for a spouse’s sexual fulfillment” does not necessarily equate to “being the sole outlet for a spouse’s sexual fulfillment.”

Comment #53: Gracchus.  on  03/30  at  05:22 PM

There’s also a big difference between having a satisfying, rewarding career and being obsessed with wealth.  Although admitting that women might have some interest in careers beyond sheer money-grubbing greed would require Brooks to acknowledge that perhaps women might have legitimate reasons for actually daring to enter the public sphere.  (Not to mention that having sufficient money to pay basic bills, have housing, and buy food regularly DOES contribute significantly to happiness.)

Comment #54: ladybronwyn  on  03/30  at  05:26 PM

If you can’t, than I can only wager that you are one of those douchbags that finds that your life goes easier if you “inform” your mate about your “non obsession with monogamy” after you have broken some promises, eh?

IIRC, realitybeam tends to turn up with an opposing viewpoint when Amanda posts on NiceGuys®, PUAs, Libertarian misogynists, and the like. Which is to say, I wouldn’t bet against you there.

Comment #55: Gracchus.  on  03/30  at  05:37 PM

And, so, those skills are maybe in her blood from her father and her brother,

Wait, wait, wait - the Pelosis practise plasmid transfer?

Comment #56: Phoenician in a time of Romans  on  03/30  at  06:03 PM

If you can’t, than I can only wager that you are one of those douchbags that finds that your life goes easier if you “inform” your mate about your “non obsession with monogamy” after you have broken some promises, eh?

Gosh you’re generous, thinking that TroglodyteBeam actually gets any action, much less enough to have to resort to cheating.

Textbook case of wishful thinking let loose on the internets with that one, I’m afraid.

Comment #57: Mighty Ponygirl  on  03/30  at  06:20 PM

David Brooks thought readers urgently needed a sanctimonious lecture about the importance of their marriages?

realitybeam, explain how the kind of marriage Ms Kate describes - one that is not exclusive but is nonetheless honest, in that both partners agree up front to an open arrangement - is less worthy of respect, or less worthy of being valued as a marriage, than is the kind of marriage you are holding up as a model.

Note that the mere existence of an open marriage refutes the idea that your model is the only viable one for a marriage (in that the open marriage is not that model at all but exists nonetheless). Then, you do not make any arguments why marriage ought not to be the way Ms Kate proposes as a possibility, so absent any argument like that, I find your objection to open marriages to be entirely without merit. (Ms Kate’s own personal relationships with other people, which you so irrelevantly bring up, have nothing to do with the question.)

Comment #58: Luke  on  03/31  at  03:51 AM

I’m not sure why we spend time discussing trivial matters like Sandra Bullock’s spouse doing the wrong kind of Nazi-hunting when we live in a world with such tragedies as Scarlett Johansson marrying a Canadian</a>.

Instead of, say, me.

Where are our <b>priorities, people?

Comment #59: Phoenician in a time of Romans  on  03/31  at  05:31 AM

This blew my mind.  Doughy McChinfuzz is actually writing for the New York Times?  What are the credentials for a job like that - a legacy degree from an Ivy, a few years of irrelevant post-graduate blogging, and enough money left in the trust fund to bribe an editor?

No bribes needed—at that level of the business it’s not so much what you spend as who you know (see also Jonah Goldberg at the LAT). And, as I noted in the earlier thread about Brooks:

The NYT may think including Bo-Bo (and Douthat) is a good compromise to fulfill the “requirement” for the paper to have conservative columnists who aren’t drooling morons (hi, Bill Kristol!), but the practise of publishing douchey intellectual cowards has a downside to brand credibility as well.

The NYT is caught in a bind: on the one hand, it doesn’t want to be branded by conservative pundits as “that liberal paper”; on the other hand, it’s difficult to find conservative columnists in America who aren’t either obvious idiots or who are calling outright for the elimination/exile of one or more entire classes of American citizen—the paper has its standards, after all. It’s not just gonna hire any graduate of a wingnut welfare think tank or phony-balony Xtian college, just as it knows its readers won’t accept a pundit who’s only been published by Lord’s Dominion Press.

Fortunately for the Times, the mainstream Ivy/publishing social network usually spits out a handful of intellectually dishonest conservative punits who are slick enough to present the superficially “moderate” image the paper requires. If Douthat plays his cards right (i.e. very close to the chest), he might last as long as Brooks.

Comment #60: Gracchus.  on  03/31  at  09:47 AM

[sorry, posted #64 in the wrong thread. Feel free to delete it here]

Comment #61: Gracchus.  on  03/31  at  09:49 AM

Could we possibly retire the concept that ‘getting some’ is an indicator of a person’s worth? Please?

Comment #62: Mikage  on  03/31  at  10:27 AM

I am thinking it is a really good idea to let your prospective spouse know that monogomy isn’t your thing sometime before your honeymoon; just like it is a good idea to talk about your herpes outbreaks prior to the first sexual encounter.

Comment #63: John Rove  on  03/31  at  10:48 AM

Can we get rid of realitybeam? There’s only so much FAIL I can stand.

Comment #64: BlackBloc  on  03/31  at  10:50 AM

Could we possibly retire the concept that ‘getting some’ is an indicator of a person’s worth? Please?

Then how would mooks who don’t have glamorous or lucrative careers be able to dream about attaining status in their peer group? For a certain kind of guy, the idea of someday having a steady GF or wife he can also cheat on is all that keeps him going.

Sadly, it’s not only the PUA gurus who cater to this pathetic aspiration, it’s the entire media-industrial complex.

Comment #65: Gracchus.  on  03/31  at  12:57 PM

Y’know, I think this may say even more about Brooks’s masculinity crisis than we think. Because wasn’t the whole buzz when Bullock got married that she was marrying way down by hooking up with some tattooed two-bit reality host? She’d been one of the better-known stars in hollywood for what, 10 years at that point. So it’s not nearly about the oscar, it’s about an attention-drawing guy without much of a high-powered career marrying a woman with one. No wonder poor Bobo was clutching himself. And the same thing with Pelosi: we’re talking about women who aren’t merely more powerful than men like Brooks, we’re talking women to whom men like Brooks are irrelevant. (And the father/brother thing is interesting, because think how many male politicians now are second or third-generation sprogs or nephews of the original officeholder, but somehow that has a completely different valence in popular speech.)

And the whole “money can’t buy happiness” thing is particulary evil for Brooks, because he’s using it to try and undermine what is the most basic foundation for happiness: freedom from want and from fear.

Comment #66: paul  on  03/31  at  03:18 PM

“There’s no particular reason Bullock couldn’t keep right on raising her, if she wanted to and James is that unenthusiastic about parenting.  She wouldn’t be the first step-parent to take on the role of sole care-giver, and she’s certainly in a better position to do it than most who find themselves in that situation.”

Erm, can I ask how this would happen? Because last I heard, she couldn’t adopt the kids if their mother still wanted them, and ex-stepparents without any blood ties generally don’t seem to have any pull legally. Just wondering, because I’ve been assuming she’ll have to give up the kids too.

Back on topic, I’d love to see if David Brooks would become the perfect subservient wife if magically the world traded genders, or if he’d be a Serena Joy about it. I somehow doubt he’d take it well. But it’s always easier to advocate for women staying home in the kitchen when you’re a man and will “never” have to do it yourself.

Comment #67: Jennifer  on  03/31  at  03:40 PM

People: the reason Brooks mentioned Pelosi’s father and brother is because both were prominent politicians—a congressman and a mayor of Baltimore. If her mother, or other female member of Pelosi’s family had been prominent in politics, I’m sure he would have mentioned them. The whole bit about “in her blood” was a colloquialism, intended to convey that she grew up surrounded by politics. It’s embarrassing to have to explain this to you.

Comment #68: yowzadave  on  03/31  at  06:13 PM

Wow, you people are seriously just looking to be offended.  If you keep fighting against imagined wrongs, when will you find time to fight real ones?

Brooks never suggested that Bullock should bake cookies, nor that she was responsible for the scumbag boyfriend cheating on her.  And the references to Pelosi’s father and brother was because they were both prominent politicians:  bro was mayor of Baltimore, and dad was mayor of Baltimore and then a US Congressman. 

I didn’t expect you whiners to be able to Google, but I thought you could at least read.

Comment #69: renbot  on  04/01  at  02:38 AM

Ms. Marcotte, here are a couple websites I think will help you in the future before writing something just unbelievably stupid:

http://www.dictionary.com
http://www.thesaurus.com
http://translate.google.com (I assume English isn’t your first language, because even someone with a six year old’s comprehension of the language wouldn’t have come up with whatever nonsensical interpretation of Brooks’ column you came up with)

Then again, maybe you do know what David Brooks was saying, but like you did with the Duke Lacrosse team, you’re just a horrendously evil liar who has absolutely no problem with making baseless charges against anyone.

Comment #70: DropsInTheRiver  on  04/01  at  06:16 AM

You must be doing something right if you’re getting people like Drops InTheBucket mad, Amanda.

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