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Environment has a role

Crime

Conservatives are deep into denying that environment could play a role in pushing someone suffering from mental illness towards violence (except, of course, if they’re suggesting that someone mentally ill might be just really angry about health care reform), at least insofar as they need to in order to deny that someone with a mental illness who has an obsessive hatred of a politician could be egged on by living in a community where harassment and violent speech towards that politician had become commonplace.  (I can’t stop marveling at the fact that preserving that steady stream of harassment, lies, and violent speech is the hill they’re willing to die on.)  So, I thought it would be useful to look at issues that fall somewhat out of the usual partisan brackets and ask if Loughner really lived in a bubble that had no relationship to the real world, or was he influenced by it?

The knee-jerk wingnut defensiveness at this point is such that there was knee-jerk anger at my suggestion that misogyny might play a role in the choice of a young man to shoot a powerful woman in the head after nursing a grudge because she was unimpressed with what he thought were brilliant ramblings.  I’m not sure what causes the knee-jerk reaction, since it seems that either you feel a defensiveness towards a man who killed six people, or a defensiveness of misogyny.  I’m going to give said jerker of the knee the benefit of the doubt and assume that it’s just a defensiveness of misogyny, and a desire to protect misogyny from accusations that it might play a role in violence against women. 

Sadly, I fear that this hope that Loughner would not turn out to sully the name of woman-haters everywhere by being a woman-hater has been dashed. On the contrary, one of the things his internet postings make clear is he was burning up with a lot of resentment towards women, which is the least surprising news quite possibly of all time (unless you just have a knee-jerk unwillingness to take seriously any feminist suggestion that misogyny is real).  Most disturbingly, Loughner wrote a forum item justifying rape, and in language that isn’t all that indistinguishable from what you see on many of your finer anti-feminist forums.

The same day, he titled another post “Why Rape.” According to the Journal, it said women in college enjoyed being raped. “There are Rape victims that are under the influence of a substance. The drinking is leading them to rape. The loneliness will bring you to depression. Being alone for a very long time will inevitably lead you to rape.”

Now, you could try—-I’m sure some will—-to say such things have no relationship to messages in the world outside of Loughner’s head. If you do, you are so full of shit that you probably won’t be able to believe yourself long enough to get the words out.  And this isn’t a partisan issue, since rape apologism is engaged in by people on the left.  After all, we recently had a situation where people on both sides of the aisle, with regards to the Assange rape, basically said there are situations where men get to rape.  (Though the argument is more that we shouldn’t call forcing sex on women “rape” in some circumstances—-which is to say, we shouldn’t call rape “rape” in cases where we think the guy had a right, or the woman had it coming.)  What I’m seeing here is that Loughner, mental illness or no, completely absorbed society’s teachings about male entitlement and female sinfulness, that men have a right to have needs filled at women’s expense, and that women give up their rights to bodily autonomy if they do things deemed unladylike, like have sex or drink alcohol.  The influence of his likely mental illness is in that he was so blunt about it.

The other thing I want to point out about the guy that conservatives would have you believe is a bubble boy is that he was really well-versed in firearms.  Again, this is a somewhat non-partisan issue, because the NRA has both parties by the balls right now.  It’s not surprising that a young man from Arizona would be intimately familiar with gun culture, since it’s one of the gun-heaviest states in the union.  Loughner clearly absorbed a lot of gun knowledge, since he not only knew well enough how to upgrade from the standard magazine that comes with a Glock to one that has twice the capacity, but it sounds like he was, tragically, a really good shot.  I do believe his magazine had 30 bullets in it and he hit 20 people.  This isn’t the behavior of some savant with weaponry, but someone who, as a friend of his told the NY Times, was skilled with a gun.

This all should be obvious, but with everyone bickering over whether something on a map looks like crosshairs or surveyor’s marks, or whatever other distraction is being offered up by wingnuts today, but just because someone has a mental illness rarely means that he’s completely unaware of the world around him.  Loughner’s ability with a gun or his thoughts on rape didn’t spring fully formed from his brain, but are the product of an individual interacting with a specific environment.  His paranoia about the federal government, like his skill with a gun, puts him pretty squarely into the culture of Arizona that he came from. It’s always possible that he was completely unaware of the over-the-top hostility that has been tossed by many in the community at Giffords for the past couple of years.  Still, I find it hard to believe that someone who, like Loughner, had an obsession with his target for over three years would be completely ignorant of messages being sent in the community that others shared his beliefs about Giffords.  I suppose we’ll see, but I wouldn’t really be so sure that someone who obsesses with hatred for a politician wouldn’t notice the gun imagery in the campaign against her, nor that someone who is paranoid about the federal government wouldn’t hear the paranoid rhetoric about health care reform being federal overreach, rhetoric that was tied back to Giffords. It’s possible he was completely oblivious.  It’s not a horse I would bet on.

 

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Posted by Amanda Marcotte on 04:08 PM • (46) Comments

As I said in the earlier thread when I posted about the article, your radar was right on target about hismisogyny. The rape post and the “why won’t girls date my brilliant self?” whingeing, combined with the pseudo-intellectual JAQ-ing off nail it—if guys in a gaming forum think something’s wrong with you, there’s something seriously wrong.

But of course all this will be ignored by right-wingers, who’ll focus instead on the evil of videogames (unfortunately for them, he seemed more focused on strategy games than FPS’s, but what do details matter to those right-wing cockroaches?).

Comment #1: Gracchus.  on  01/12  at  05:46 PM

Slightly but not completely OT, a punch in the gut article from The Onion:

http://www.theonion.com/articles/shooting-suspect-released-after-not-breaking-any-a,18809/

The reactions are very polarized, although the people calling it offensive or “too soon” don’t seem to be grasping that it’s an attack on Arizona law, not just a cheap attempt to mock the tragedy.

Comment #2: BrianX  on  01/12  at  06:13 PM

Via Boing Boing, Dan Savage and Aaron Huffman of Seattle’s The Stranger give us this trenchant yet familiar infographic.

Comment #3: Gracchus.  on  01/12  at  06:20 PM

The answer (yes!) to whether the environment created by republicans incites violence does not turn on whether Loughner in particular was or was not. He is only a possible example. Whether it turns out to be true in his case should be irrelevant to the general indictment of republican hate speech.

Comment #4: allequash  on  01/12  at  06:22 PM

People in their own party are fed up with the rhetoric:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/01/12/anthony-miller-resigns-giffords-threats_n_808116.html

Comment #5: Lexie  on  01/12  at  06:26 PM

The reactions are very polarized, although the people calling it offensive or “too soon” don’t seem to be grasping that it’s an attack on Arizona law, not just a cheap attempt to mock the tragedy.

They probably could have made the black humor more clear by having the DA say “The misfortune hereis, if Loughner had been a Mexican man who wasn’t carrying his passport, or if he had been teaching an ethnic studies course, we could have stopped him then and there.”

Comment #6: Gracchus.  on  01/12  at  06:27 PM

In the immortal words of my friend I_dread: 

“Does anyone here remember Reverend Jeremiah Wright, and how the Right screamed bloody murder over his angry words about America? How he was inciting riot and murder with his words from the pulpit and influencing a new President to hate whites. The Rev didn’t use a cable show, and he didn’t run for election. He teamed up with another man of faith, Father Pflager and they both did run roughshod over corner stores selling crack smoking hardware. But, that was lost in the fog during the Primaries.[I did admire them both, during those wicked hammer smashing glass days]

“These same people on the Right are complaining that their words are being taken too seriously. In all my days, I have never heard of voting being compared to “taking up arms” and I doubt seriously you have either. I won’t link to the source, but you can guess Sarah Palin mentioned it during her personal fireside chat from Alaska.”

Link if anyone wants it:  http://i-dread.livejournal.com/1293887.html

Comment #7: GeekGirlsRule  on  01/12  at  06:27 PM

I realize this doesn’t have anything to do with your larger point but apparently there was an interesting interview with one of the shooter’s former friends on GMA this morning where he talked about Loughner having been influenced by a documentary titled “Zeitgeist” about which I know nothing.

I’m wondering if the toxic environment made it less likely that the large number of people who apparently realized there was something off about the shooter felt it important to do anything about it.

Comment #8: Sixtieslibber  on  01/12  at  06:27 PM

With regards to the environment of vitriol, I make this admittedly imperfect analogy. Say you know this person among your group of peers who you don’t like and never have. But no one else you know seems to feel the same way, so you bite your tongue. Then, one day, several of your friends confide in you that they don’t like this person either. Would this not embolden you to act on your own feelings? Say or do something you otherwise wouldn’t do if you thought you were alone in your opinion?

Moreover, the MSM seems to have allowed the Right to completely eliminate the difference between placing blame directly (which very few on the Left did) and suggesting that the climate of violent rhetoric might have emboldened a madman to do what he wanted to do anyway. Who knows? In his deranged mind, he might have heard the ugliness swirling around about the “Democrat Party” and convinced himself he’d be hailed as a hero.

Comment #9: Outlander  on  01/12  at  06:42 PM

In following this story, I have seen his rantings posted and read transcripts of a couple of his rambling videos. Has anyone found any comments he might have posted on any anti-feminist or right wing websites? I’m curious because if his comments aren’t grabbed soon they will surely be scrubbed. It’s just difficult to believe that someone who espouses the virtues of rape did not seek out the online company of other like minded individuals.

Comment #10: serious bette  on  01/12  at  06:44 PM

Just a note on that article: I’m not a nihilist, and I don’t think that nihilism is a good philosophy, but I think that the NY Times article you link implies, probably wrongly, that nihilists are more inclined toward acts of violence and murder because they “believe in nothing;” which is, incidentally, not an accurate, or at least not complete, description of nihilism, at least as far as I know.

Comment #11: grolby  on  01/12  at  06:48 PM

Argh, forgot to add: ditto, only even more so, with regard to anarchism. I’m not an anarchist either, but being an anarchist doesn’t necessarily make someone violent or prone to murder. If anything, what this friend is describing is a solipsist, but even that seems questionable. There’s not a whole lot of evidence that Loughner had a particularly coherent political philosophy. More like lots of anger, misogyny, etc.

Comment #12: grolby  on  01/12  at  06:52 PM

Yeah, Brian, some people think that dark humor is a legitimate coping mechanism, and other people don’t like it.  I’m in the former camp, and think people in the latter camp shouldn’t be so quick to judge.

Comment #13: Amanda Marcotte  on  01/12  at  06:53 PM

Just a note on that article: I’m not a nihilist, and I don’t think that nihilism is a good philosophy, but I think that the NY Times article you link implies, probably wrongly, that nihilists are more inclined toward acts of violence and murder because they “believe in nothing;” which is, incidentally, not an accurate, or at least not complete, description of nihilism, at least as far as I know.

Besides, by now everyone should know that nihilists are cowards and crybabies.

“Nihilists! F*ck me. I mean, say what you like about the tenets of National Socialism, Dude, at least it’s an ethos.” - Walter Sobchak

Comment #14: Gracchus.  on  01/12  at  06:57 PM

<blockquoteHas anyone found any comments he might have posted on any anti-feminist or right wing websites? I’m curious because if his comments aren’t grabbed soon they will surely be scrubbed. It’s just difficult to believe that someone who espouses the virtues of rape did not seek out the online company of other like minded individuals</blockquote>

I’d add “seduction community” sites to that list—he seems like just the sort to fall for a PUA snake-oil salesman with a “surefire system” for tricking women into bed.

Comment #15: Gracchus.  on  01/12  at  07:08 PM

@15: Good thinking. He believed you can brainwash people with words and/or math, so it wouldn’t be surprising if he believed in some pseudo-scientific stuff like NLP or the whatever is hip in the PUA community with regard to attempts to ‘hack’ the female brain by whispering the right passcodes into her ears.

Comment #16: BlackBloc  on  01/12  at  07:16 PM

with regard to attempts to ‘hack’ the female brain by whispering the right passcodes into her ears.

What are the odds he’ll try to pull something like this at trial?

Joe Garrelli: Mr. James’s case is in the bag, because I know something the other side doesn’t.

Dave Nelson: What’s that?

Joe Garrelli: That all federal judges are members of an obscure sect of the Freemasons.

Jimmy James: Wait a minute. You’re telling me that our entire case is based on all judges being Masons?

Joe Garrelli: There’ more to it than that. There is a secret word that, when uttered, forces the judge to rule in your favor, then go to a secret location to paddle themselves in a secret ceremony.

Dave Nelson: What is it?

Joe Garrelli: I’d tell you, but then I’d have to kill you.

Dave Nelson: All right, but it better be good.

[later…]

Judge: Mr. James, all you have proven to this court is that you have a box full of junk. Never since The People vs. Junkyard Jones has a box of junk been so thoroughly documented. If I were this young man, I’d countersue you for defamation of character, and generally wasting everyone’s time. What do you have to say in your defense?

[Joe whispers in Mr. James’s ear]

Jimmy James: “Tubal Cain”

Judge: The court rules in favor of Mr. James and sentences the defendant to a month in a juvenile ward for psychiatric evaluation. Case dismissed.

[judge walks out of courtroom carrying a paddle]

Comment #17: Gracchus.  on  01/12  at  07:27 PM

That anyone could suggest this boy was anything but a misogynist is absurd. In many ways he seems the prototypical woman-hater: socially inept, isolated, angry. I don’t think I overstate things when I say that dark path* so many young awkward males follow necessarily leads to misogyny. Of course, maybe it is the misogyny that lead them down that path in the first place.

*that being isolation, narcissisim, fixation on strange or absurd concepts.

Comment #18: John Joel Glanton  on  01/12  at  08:16 PM

They probably could have made the black humor more clear by having the DA say “The misfortune hereis, if Loughner had been a Mexican man who wasn’t carrying his passport, or if he had been teaching an ethnic studies course, we could have stopped him then and there.”

They did.  Last line:

LaWall told reporters that the only way her state would have any legal recourse in the brutal slayings would be if Loughner were Mexican.

Comment #19: James  on  01/12  at  08:18 PM

The more I think about it, the more I think Sarah Palin may actually be able to win the GOP nomination, which is a terrifying thought - not because I think she could actually become president, but because I think she could bring about an autumn of political violence like we’ve never seen in our lifetimes.

She does not have broad support within the Republican establishment, but what she does have is the most rabid and reliable voting bloc of the conservative base firmly on her side.

And that may be enough. She can win in Iowa, and though she has no chance of winning in New Hampshire, she’ll easily take South Carolina if she wins Iowa, even if Mike Huckabee is on the ballot as well.

It comes down to Iowa - if she can pull off a win in Iowa, she will be the GOP nominee. Take Iowa and South Carolina, and she cruises to the nomination.

To the extent that I think it would pretty much guarante Obama’s re-election, I would love this. To the extent that it would take a political party that seems to be fighting between the at least somewhat sane (though still evil) plutocrats and the pitchfork carrying rubes that make up the Tea Party and hand the keys to the unhinged gun-toting nut faction makes me fear what could happen in the fall of 2012, in terms of gun violence, particularly when the angry teapartiers lose the election.

This woman is completely unhinged, and the crazier she talks, the mosre her most devoted fans cling to her. Pawlenty tried criticizing her gunsight ad a few days ago and is already backtracking because the nuts are breathing down his neck.

After seeing her absolutely disgusting and slef-obsessed video this morning and the Becks and Limbaughs and other nutbars all cheering her on for it, I am worried for this country.

Comment #20: DTGslu2K  on  01/12  at  08:29 PM

The bitter irony here is that the same wingnuts that are screaming about how their words and actions have had no impact on the shooter or anyone else are simultaneously screaming how harmful the words of progressives calling them to account for their violent eliminationist rants are.  There are rocks in my yard with more self awareness.

Comment #21: DrDick  on  01/12  at  09:15 PM

DrDick—

Not to mention wingnuts are always the first to blame popular music or video games after these incidents happen.

Comment #22: Ben D.  on  01/12  at  09:48 PM

Roscoe—

She doesn’t even make it to Iowa. She has no discipline, and unlike George W. Bush she doesn’t know how to be ‘handled’ by her strategists for lack of a better term.

Comment #23: Ben D.  on  01/12  at  09:51 PM

Such as this from the Snowbilly:

“Acts of monstrous criminality stand on their own. They begin and end with the criminals who commit them,” Palin, a potential 2012 White House contender, said in a video posted to her Facebook page.

“Especially within hours of a tragedy unfolding, journalists and pundits should not manufacture a blood libel that serves only to incite the very hatred and violence they purport to condemn. That is reprehensible.”

Yeah.  So, does that apply to Muslims, Sarah?

Comment #24: Phoenician in a time of Romans  on  01/12  at  09:54 PM

The spambots seem to be angry.  “Seem” ‘cuz such incoherence is hard to judge.

Comment #25: Eric_RoM  on  01/12  at  10:36 PM

I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again.  When it comes to something as important as the presidency, Republicans will not elect a woman.  Palin, Bachmann, Angle, or O’Donnell wouldn’t even win the primary.  They’ll tolerate women as long as they are conventionally pretty and working to suppress other women, but they’ll change their tune as soon as the woman starts getting too powerful and emasculating.  And since voting booths are private, every misogynist Republican can pretend to vote for Palin but she’ll end up mysteriously losing anyway.

Comment #26: bananacat  on  01/12  at  10:39 PM

Amanda, although this was only a small part of your post, it’s irresponsible to refer to “the Assange rape.” He has been charged and arrested, but not yet found guilty. Until then, something like “the alleged Assange rape” would be most accurate. The story hasn’t ended yet.

Comment #27: Panda don (from woods of Oxford)  on  01/12  at  11:11 PM

“I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again.  When it comes to something as important as the presidency, Republicans will not elect a woman.”

I agree.  And I’ve got decades of experience listening to right-wing men, usually out of the presence of women, rip women to shreds.  Britain got (stuck with) their Margaret Thatcher as Prime Minister, but we won’t be swearing in Sarah Palin as POTUS…unless she’s running against Hillary Clinton…

Comment #28: MikeEss  on  01/12  at  11:19 PM

I think if Palin telegraphs a “serious” VP type, ie a man, that will get enough conservatives to vote for her, just like Cheney was supposed to look after an inexperienced Bush in 2000.

I don’t think she wants to be President though. I think she wants to be Rush Limbaugh or Rupert Murdoch.

Comment #29: bay of arizona  on  01/12  at  11:45 PM

In case anyone missed it, especially Amanda, this account of an incident by a Loughner’s classmate:

Yes, yes. There was a student that had written a poem about an abortion. And I was absent that day, but from what I had heard from the other students is he, when—after she had read it, he made a pretty distasteful joke comparing her to a terrorist, saying that she killed babies.

Link

Comment #30: Bernard SG  on  01/13  at  12:58 AM

I don’t think she wants to be President though. I think she wants to be Rush Limbaugh or Rupert Murdoch.

So she’s going for real power then…

Comment #31: Phoenician in a time of Romans  on  01/13  at  01:29 AM

OT:  I’m looking forward to that new movie where a bunch of technologically superior aliens protect themselves from an imminent threat, liberate the Earth, and bring prosperity to the planet by repressing a few dead-ender insurgents. 

You know, “Battle: Los Angeles”

Comment #32: Phoenician in a time of Romans  on  01/13  at  02:03 AM

Especially within hours of a tragedy unfolding, journalists and pundits should not manufacture a blood libel that serves only to incite the very hatred and violence they purport to condemn. That is reprehensible.

I seriously do not understand this. Is she really saying that calling her and others in the right wing out for violent, elminiationist rhetoric is the same thing as us threatening them with violence?

Has ANYBODY seen ANY prominent Democratic or liberal politician/pundit/blogger/community leader calling for violence against Palin or anyone else? Or even making nudge-nudge wink-wink plausible deniability weaselspeak hinted threats of violence? I haven’t seen any.

Comment #33: Rumblelizard  on  01/13  at  07:58 AM

Rumblelizard, she is banally evil (excessive self-promotion, greed, etc a la Beck/Limbaugh) and spouts stuff she doesn’t really understand (I hope).  The alternative is that she is flat out evil and does understand.  Possible but less likely.  If someone explains it to her, she is likely to double down because, you know, stupid and bravado and all that other mavricky shit true Americans* believe in.

Comment #34: helen w. h.  on  01/13  at  08:51 AM

“if guys in a gaming forum think something’s wrong with you, there’s something seriously wrong.”

That’s kind of unfair, though.  It’s not like people who hang out on gaming forums do not also hang out with other gamers/nerds/geeks/whathaveyou in real life.  If you’re coming off like That One Guy everybody’s had in their social circle at some point, it’s usually not super-difficult for people reading your posts to connect the dots and consider the strong possibility that you’re more than a little off in person, too.

Comment #35: preying mantis  on  01/13  at  09:56 AM

“I seriously do not understand this. Is she really saying that calling her and others in the right wing out for violent, elminiationist rhetoric is the same thing as us threatening them with violence?”

Yes.  The script says it’s always the fault of crazies/liberals/liberal-crazies/terrorists/liberal-terrorists/mooslims/liberal-mooslims/Al-Gore/Michael-Moore/etc., and we went off the script.

Now if we’d apologized for forcing somebody to shoot a liberal, like Harry Whittington did after Darth Cheney shot him in the face, and then promised to stop being liberal, it would all have been fine.  But NO!!! We had the temerity to start talking trash about “crosshairs on maps” and thinly veiled threats RE “second Amendment remedies” and Glenn Beck and Rush Limbaugh, etc.  Did we bring up Bill Ayers or the SLA or Earth First and then apologize again for being liberal?  No, we did not.

Sow the wind, reap the whirlwind.  We messed with a fundamental force of nature (God’s own conservatism) and we just have to accept the consequences…

Comment #36: MikeEss  on  01/13  at  10:36 AM

That’s kind of unfair, though.

I meant it more in terms of the level of discourse in those places, especially regarding women. I love gaming, and consider myself a big ol’ geek. I also visit gaming forums now and them for tips and tricks. But anyone who’s been to these places understands that a large portion of the regulars are males, adolescent in actual or mental age, who display the casual misogyny associated with that age. There have been countless articles written on why gaming culture is unfriendly to even hardcore women gamers, and the forums are often a reflection of that culture.

In addition, the stated non-gaming interests of the regulars would usually be categorised as “geeky and esoteric” (and again, I have such interests myself). A significant part of the mainstream culture (though thankfully less since the advent of the Internet) would consider their obsessions weird and strange in the negative sense of the words, but geeks being geeks roll with it and try to be a little more open-minded about the eccentric interests of others.

Finally, over-the-top rhetoric is par for the course in those forums. Lots of chest-beating and cursing and grand ALL CAPS pronouncements, which for the most part operate in an inverse relationship to the poster’s actual personality.

All to say, when a guy shows up in such a place and even the misogynist regulars with unusual interests respond en masse to his rambling posts on women or his Timecube-style stuff with “whoa, that’s f*cked up dood!” or “are u on drugs or crazee?” or “is this guy for real?” then, yeah, there’s something seriously wrong that can be discerned even over the Net.

Comment #37: Gracchus.  on  01/13  at  11:26 AM

“I meant it more in terms of the level of discourse in those places, especially regarding women.”

Yes, I figured.  I doubt that was the reaction from a single post, though—he’d have been flagged as a bot, a troll, or just off his ass on something depending on the lack of coherence.  And it’s way easier to tell if a poster is just shit-talking or is really being That One Guy if they’ve got a half-dozen posts over a week or so that all have the same traits.  Like if a guy’s got two posts about a game and twenty posts about how male circumcision in the US is like unto the Holocaust and also rape and then loses his shit when someone points out that it’s not a good thing to do, but no, it’s not like rape.  Or the guy who can’t shut up about how his geeky and esoteric hobby is the One True Way in Which the Entire World Can Be Understood.

Comment #38: preying mantis  on  01/13  at  12:31 PM

The only forum I’ve ever banned from was a gaming forum. I was considered a shit stirrer for comments that are pretty much on par for snark on this thread. It’s just that I was being snarky at libertarians, religious nuts and misogynists, which here means I’m snarky to trolls while over there I was being snarky to well-loved regulars.

Also got jumped by three different people for ‘giving terrible advice’ because I advise a teen who was confused about the reactions of a prospective love interest by telling him to “start from the assumption she’s a rational human being like you or me”. One of them proceeded to tell him that he should ‘just forget that girl because as a geek girl she obviously can’t be worth more than a 5 or so, if you have any self-respect you should not try to date a geek girl and just realize that girls you should date will have no interest in your hobbies whatsoever’. Stellar advice. I mean, who would like to actually share activities with a loved one beyond fucking? Much better to make sure you have a status symbol on your arm. *rolls eyes*

Comment #39: BlackBloc  on  01/13  at  12:45 PM

it’s way easier to tell if a poster is just shit-talking or is really being That One Guy if they’ve got a half-dozen posts over a week or so that all have the same traits.

Oh, definitely. The members of this forum who leaked the postings to the MSM probably didn’t even know his real name—I’m guessing that more than a few of them saw the news reports, read the details of Loughner’s “philosophy” and excerpts from his writing and said “wait, that sounds exactly like the crazy dude on my Starcraft forum.”

Or the guy who can’t shut up about how his geeky and esoteric hobby is the One True Way in Which the Entire World Can Be Understood.

For example, even without the references to Nostradamus and Depeche Mode, it doesn’t take a a PhD in psychology to know that Dennis Markuze (see #25 in this thread) is afflicted with mental illness.

Comment #40: Gracchus.  on  01/13  at  01:46 PM

Plausible deniability is exactly what the wingnuts are trying to protect here.  They have been playing a dangerous game because it is empowering to them.  Palin has been able to extend that and profit from it in terms of potential power, even if its not quite real, and so she and her supporters just don’t want to give that up, it feels too good to threaten liberals.  Civility and empathy are just not in the equation for anything more than window dressing.

I had a sick feeling that this shooting was misogynistic at its core but with the hate directed at her that really enabled him.  I think Amanda is right though in the other posting about the lies.  Talking about that is what will really defang them.  They just don’t have a leg to stand on in any real discussion.

Comment #41: ewellone  on  01/13  at  02:17 PM

If his crazy fits into one aspect of their crazy (they have so many) and his target is one of their targets (again, they have so many), then, as Yogi Bera would say, it’s “too coincidental to be a coincidence”.

And Krauthammer—and every other guilty conscience on the right—damn well knows it.

Paul Rosenberg writing at Open Left

Comment #42: Yamara  on  01/13  at  03:07 PM

Her words don’t contribute to a culture of violence and, even if they did, that culture of violence doesn’t cause anyone to do anything . . . but unless Teh Ebel Gayz, Libruls and/or Scary Brown People are silenced, the world will end!!!111!!!1

Which is it, Sarah?  Does environment affect people or not?  If not, then you’ve lost the very last leg your entire political platform stands on.

Comment #43: Rare Vos  on  01/13  at  03:34 PM

Excellent post. I refer back to it and quote from it in my post here:

http://www.manboobz.com/2011/01/giffords-shooting-misogyny-has.html

Somehow I’m not really shocked that Loughner spewed forth misogynistic comments that sound an awful lot like the stuff spewed forth every day by the idiots I write about on Man Boobz.

Comment #44: manboobz  on  01/13  at  09:47 PM

Keep ‘em coming… you all do such a great job at such Concepts… can’t tell you how much I, for one appreciate all you do!
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Comment #45: Deney Triler  on  01/15  at  05:28 PM
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