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Every once in awhile I do need reminding that my party sucks, too

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Senator Macropod prepares to bend Democrats to his will yet again

As so often happens, Harry Reid is my reminder:

President Barack Obama’s promise to close the Guantanamo Bay prison suffered a blow Tuesday when his allies in the Senate said they would refuse to finance the move until the administration delivers a satisfactory plan for what to do with the detainees there…While allies such as No. 2 Senate Democrat Dick Durbin of Illinois cast the development as a delay of only a few months, other Democrats have made it plain they don’t want any of Guantanamo’s detainees sent to the United States to stand trial or serve prison sentences.

“We don’t want them around,” said Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev.

From the transcript:

REID: Well, the decision to close Guantanamo was a right one.

I agree with President Bush. I agree with John McCain . I agree with Barack Obama . Guantanamo makes us less save [sic].

However, this is neither the time nor the bill to deal with this. Democrats under no circumstances will move forward without a comprehensive, responsible plan from the president. We will never allow terrorists to be released into the United States…

If people are—if terrorists are released in the United States, part of what we don’t want is them be put in prisons in the United States. We don’t want them around the United States.

I’m not just casting around for excuses for the party as a whole, but Reid sounds fucking confused. If Obama doesn’t have a sensible plan, whatever. The bill itself was written to not release the money until a plan was approved. Moreover, in trying to justify himself, Reid sounds like he doesn’t actually know what his opinion was. It’s not often you get to hear a Senator triangulate in real-time. Later, his spokesman clarified what Reid meant to mean:

“He’s not going to do anything until we get a plan from the president.” [Reid spokesman] Manley said. He said “the leader is leaving the door open to detainees being transferred to American prisons, should the administration put forward a plan to do so.”

Damn, Reid is just a disaster. No matter what his intentions were, he’s providing political cover for DINOs like Jim Webb:

We’ve spent hundreds of millions of dollars building an appropriate facility with all security precautions in Guantanamo to try these cases. There are cases against international law. These aren’t people who were in the United States committing a crime in the United States. These are people who were brought to Guantanamo for international terrorism*. I do not believe they should be tried in the United States.

From the Fox News article, Webb sounds awfully familiar:

“We shouldn’t be creating artificial timelines,” Webb said.

Hey! He stole Republicans’ catchphrase! Man, they’re gonna be pissed.

I don’t even know what to do with all this. At this point, we could give them 99 Senators and the sole Republican Senator could be a wallaby openly taking bribes from the tobacco industry**, and Dems would still be “sick of getting walloped by Republicans over…phony, made-up issue[s]***.”

Seriously, Dems? You’re supposed to be doing the walloping. It’s not a made-up issue, it’s a central promise made by your President. Get your shit together.

(h/t Darcy.)
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* Yanno.
** I promise I thought of the analogy first, then found the picture. Well, sort of. Originally it was a wallaby smoking a corncob pipe, but damn, I’m still pretty good.
*** Somebody totally said that.

 

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Posted by Auguste on 08:30 AM • (23) Comments

Okay, so the detainees are terrorists by default and decree, even though we don’t know whether or not they did anything and we were the ones who held them hostage without due process.

*head explode*

Comment #1: Ms Kate  on  05/20  at  08:33 AM

Geez, it’s not like we’re releasing them into the general public or into someone’s backyard.  They will be moved to prisons that are secure enough to handle serial killers.  The prison they end up in here is probably more secure than the one at Guantanamo Bay.

Comment #2: bananacat  on  05/20  at  08:53 AM

Yanno, I read Hardin Missouri has already petitioned to take the Gitmo terra-ists.

Yep, they handle federal prisoners and aren’t afraid of Mooslims.  They think it would provide jobs.

http://missoulian.com/articles/2009/04/24/news/local/news03.txt

Comment #3: Caren-Sun-blocking Creator of Animorphic Pancakes  on  05/20  at  09:01 AM

“Yep, they handle federal prisoners and aren’t afraid of Mooslims.  They think it would provide jobs.”

I hear there’s one who can shoot laser beams from his eyes if he takes off his sunglasses, and another who can make metal objects fly through the air, and another who has knife blades that come out of the ends of his hands.  They’re really scary and dangerous!  Just imagine if they got loose?  They could devastate an entire town!  Look what they did to New Orleans!

(On second thought, maybe I’m getting the terraists confused with something else…)

Comment #4: MikeEss  on  05/20  at  09:39 AM

When the right wing nut jobs whined about how liberals were whining about the constitutionality of Guantanamo they essentially said we were weak cowardly and unAmerican, that didn’t understand that daddy (the Bush Administration particularly Dick) always knows best. That we were more worried about the rights of terrorists than our own national security. I always thought it’s more American, brave and strong to stand by the constitution even when our own national security is at stake.
But Harry Reid is actually the weak, spineless coward that Republicans accused the rest of us as being. I usually hate when people say this, I know it’s terribly sexist, but grow some fucking balls, Reid. Or if you can’t do that then get the hell out of the way so someone with some ovaries of steel handle can do the right thing by pushing the closing of Gitmo.

Comment #5: shakahi  on  05/20  at  09:41 AM

Between the blue dogs and the spineless the dems can’t even put a mostly comatose republican party on the sidelines where it belongs.  It begins to make me wonder if all these assholes aren’t on the same side and just fucking around.

Oh, and harry reid, he’s been a shameful disgrace since he became majority leader.  He’s a worthless piece of shit and a fine republican.

Comment #6: ice weasel  on  05/20  at  09:56 AM

They put one of them in Supermax up in Colorado, but he destroyed the prison by digging into the earth’s core, producing a supervolcano which destroyed most of the Mountain Time Zone. Thank goodness we discovered that rice pilaf n’ chicken is like Kryptonite to them.

In other words, we need Reid’s leadership, wherein he soils himself when anybody mentions a filibuster, like a fish needs a bicycle rammed up its ass.

Comment #7: norbizness  on  05/20  at  10:00 AM

It begins to make me wonder if all these assholes aren’t on the same side and just fucking around.

Well, I have one piece of good news for you: you can stop wondering.

Comment #8: seeker6079  on  05/20  at  10:13 AM

This is the worst thing about having a Democrat-controlled Congress - it does the same things as a Pepublican-controlled Congress and we get all the blame for it. Ugh.

Comment #9: Essie Elephant  on  05/20  at  10:28 AM

I hope Michigan’s senators are screaming “Build a new federal prison in our state to house the detainees.” We can use the jobs and the Upper Peninsula probably already has Imprisonment as its second-largest industry behind tourism.

Comment #10: witless chum  on  05/20  at  11:07 AM

I hope Michigan’s senators are screaming “Build a new federal prison in our state to house the detainees.”

Er, no.  If you’re going to round up the guilty and (mostly) the innocent and imprison them without hope or recourse, pick on your own fucking citizens.

Actually, someone should propose that as a job creation programme - rounding people up off the street and sticking them in jail indefinitely to provide jobs for prison guards.

Comment #11: Phoenician in a time of Romans  on  05/20  at  11:33 AM

Actually, someone should propose that as a job creation programme - rounding people up off the street and sticking them in jail indefinitely to provide jobs for prison guards.

Actually, we’ve already got that. It’s called the war on drugs.

(Not to minimize the much worse situation Iraqis have, but as has been mentioned many times before, Iraq is just a place where the Republicans got to create the society they’ve always been wishing they could create in the US.)

Comment #12: Auguste  on  05/20  at  12:16 PM

I really don’t understand the problem. Try everyone in the courts. Don’t have evidence? They’re not guilty. Have evidence but can’t use it because you did something illegal? They’re not guilty. That’s pretty simple.

Put the ones found guilty in prison for the amount of time deemed appropriate for their offenses. Put the not guilty ones in a “witness protection” type program where they get new identities (if they want them), housing, training and jobs, and whatever else they might need, whether it be in this country or their home country, if they want to go back. Keep an eye on the ones that are the ‘most likely’ to be dangerous (if indeed there are any) and leave the rest of them alone.

That’s better than what we do with our own citizens. What’s the problem?

Comment #13: Essie Elephant  on  05/20  at  12:17 PM

“Put the ones found guilty in prison for the amount of time deemed appropriate for their offenses. Put the not guilty ones in a “witness protection” type program where they get new identities (if they want them), housing, training and jobs, and whatever else they might need, whether it be in this country or their home country, if they want to go back. Keep an eye on the ones that are the ‘most likely’ to be dangerous (if indeed there are any) and leave the rest of them alone.”

Oh no!  We can’t do that!

Those Mooslofascist Terrorists are just too dangerous to treat like normal human beings!  Which they aren’t anyway!  Those panty-waisted Democrats want to turn them loose on America where they will rape and pillage before developing a nucular weapon, using liquids confiscated at the airport, that will destroy George Bush’s house in Dallas!  And then we’ll all be forced to become Mooslims and speak Ay-Rab!

There’s only one man on earth strong enough and smart enough to handle those evil spawn of Satan: Jack Bauer!  And he has only one way of dealing with them: Death!...

Comment #14: MikeEss  on  05/20  at  12:30 PM

Actually, we’ve already got that. It’s called the war on drugs.

Auguste, Auguste, you poor naive fool.

I was suggesting it for the middle class and rich streets, not the <strike>bla</strike> urban areas.  Who knows, the voters might wake up and say “Hey, wait a minute, something’s not right here…”.

I would make other snarky comments about your prison population if not for the fact that the second worst Western country is, um, mine.  See here for stats.

Comment #15: Phoenician in a time of Romans  on  05/20  at  12:35 PM

I think Nevadans need to put up a primary challenge for their worthless senator.  Screw the party bosses, and topple the hierarchy.  Cast Reid off and start anew.

Comment #16: stogoe  on  05/20  at  12:42 PM

Harry Reid is a god damned idiot. How in the world did he end up as majority leader?

Comment #17: Mark  on  05/20  at  02:17 PM

That adorable picture is keeping me from a downward spiral of political depression. All posts like this should include cute animals, lest we give up in despair and just stay in bed all day eating ice cream.

Comment #18: Liz212  on  05/20  at  02:23 PM

How in the world did he end up as majority leader?

By starting out as minority leader. The skillset to be a minority leader is different than the one to be a majority leader. Pelosi seems to have adjusted to the transition from minority to majority much better than Reid has.

Comment #19: Tyro  on  05/20  at  02:41 PM

“We shouldn’t be creating artificial timelines,” Webb said.

Senator Webb is not a fan of the Star Trek reboot.

Comment #20: Juan Stoppable  on  05/20  at  05:27 PM

Bruce Cowboy fails.

Comment #21: Auguste  on  05/20  at  05:51 PM

Evidently the current federal employees working in Guantanamo Bay and every other law enforcement field work on a catch and release system rather then a transfer system

QUESTION: If the United States—if the United States thinks that these people should be held, why shouldn’t they be held in the United States? Why shouldn’t the U.S. take those risks, the attendant risk of holding them, since it’s the one that says they should be held?

REID: I think there’s a general feeling, as I’ve already said, that the American people, and certainly the Senate, overwhelmingly doesn’t want terrorists to be released in the United States. And I think we’re going to stick with that.

Comment #22: cynickal  on  05/20  at  10:12 PM
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