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Everyone’s tape is a little red

Ezra points to a piece by Dean Baker in the Boston Review that refutes the myth that conservatives are anti-regulation and liberals are pro-regulation.  I enjoy people who try to take wingnut bullshit in good faith and carefully dismantle it, because I don’t have the patience for it.

In general, political debates over regulation have been wrongly cast as disputes over the extent of regulation, with conservatives assumed to prefer less regulation, while liberals prefer more. In fact conservatives do not necessarily desire less regulation, nor do liberals necessarily desire more. Conservatives support regulatory structures that cause income to flow upward, while liberals support regulatory structures that promote equality. “Less” regulation does not imply greater inequality, nor is the reverse true.

Baker’s point is that both liberals and conservatives embrace government power, but just for different ends.  Conservatives, of course, want the government to use its power to oppress the working class and enforce social hierarchies that benefit the few at the expense of the many.  Liberals want government power to be used to get us closer to the goals of equality and freedom for all.  But the misunderstanding about how liberals and conservatives feel about regulation didn’t just happen, and nor is it something that merely bubbled up in our political discourse.  That so many people believe that liberals are pro-regulation and conservatives are anti-regulation demonstrates the power of the right wing noise machine.  This myth about regulation is something that conservatives made up to disguise their true intentions, and our gullible mainstream media kept promoting it.


Face it: “Fuck all y’all, I’m taking the money and running” isn’t the sort of political stance that gets you that precious slim majority of the vote that it takes to win.  If your goal is making sure that there’s a wealthy elite who exploits the labor of the vast majority of people, that vast majority isn’t going to like you at all.  Which hurts you in elections, unless you can take away the right to vote of various groups, which is something that conservatives do enjoy advocating from time to time.  So, the only real solution is to hoodwink people by misrepresenting yourself, and that’s the standard issue Republican party strategy.  That’s why the anti-regulation myth was concocted, because everyone likes the idea of freedom, and since half the population has below average intelligence, you can convince them that the gravest threat to freedom are these ambiguous but very politically correct liberal agenda regulations.  To make sure that they snag as many ignorant people as possible, conservative propagandists have implied that Evil Regulations are about getting white people and attacking men for the sheer pleasure of fucking up these much-beleaguered groups.  Demonizing regulation is about making conservatives seem pro-freedom even as they push a worldview which would make real freedom nothing but a word and a fantasy for most of us.

And of course the lie works well enough.  Most interactions with the hazily-defined group of things we call “regulations” are unpleasant, since you tend to become more aware of regulations when you cross some line and they’re enforced on you.  No one likes to get a speeding ticket, and we all think we’re the exception who can easily drive as fast as we want without putting others in danger.  Hostility to the mythical liberal “big government” that’s mysteriously larger in the imagination that conservative big government echoes especially nicely with people who feel that they can exert dominance over others in their own sphere and are paranoid that the federal government is going to restrain their power grabs.  Most libertarians, for instance, support a system of legalized wage slavery, even though there’s nothing liberating or free about being a wage slave who works for $2 an hour.  But economic tyranny is considered good tyranny, and Evil Regulations that grant lower income workers a small measure of liberty are an encroachment on the right to deprive others of their rights. 

Maybe the economic crash has made it untenable to parade wingnuttery out as some defense of freedom.  But then again, logic hasn’t really done much to chip away at the conservative mythology about how they’re anti-regulation—-consider how many wingnuts can screech about big government in one breath, and then suggest in the next that the government has an obligation to use its resources to force women to bear children and deprive gays of rights.  You’d think that would have killed the myth that conservatives are inherently anti-regulation and anti-government power, but nope.  God knows we’re going to be facing serious rounds of faux concern over lost liberties if we start moving towards universal health care, even though the only reason to oppose access to health care for some groups is that you don’t like the idea of those people being free—-free to change jobs, free from the constant fear of unnecessary illness or death. 

 

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Posted by Amanda Marcotte on 06:48 PM • (37) Comments

If you want more on this theme, Dean Baker has an excellent book, The Conservative Nanny State, which you can read online for free or pay for at a low price.

http://www.conservativenannystate.org/

Comment #1: Terese  on  01/02  at  07:20 PM

While we’re on the subject, can we stop using the word “regulations” (a word that the conservatives like to use because it sounds all sissy) and use the more accurate “laws” and “rules”? And when someone says they want to “de-regulate” something (cut away all those sissy etiquette thingys), can Our Media Stars not accept that framing and say that so-andso want to make something legal that is currently illegal?

Comment #2: Rick Massimo  on  01/02  at  07:26 PM

Rick, I’m not sure that your request leads to accurate characterization.  Laws are the statutes, and they in their turn usually delegate to departments or agencies the responsibility for the making regulations.  Regulations can be called rules, yes, but they are rules with the force of legal authority and with state sanctions for disobedience and so require the clarity of a different word. 

Not filing a form with your governing body, say, is a breach of a rule and may result in you being suspended from your organization.  Not filing a form with the EPA may result in prosecution. 

/quibble

Comment #3: seeker6079  on  01/02  at  07:32 PM

Also, laws are passed by elected officials, who are at least theoretically subject to voter influence. Regulations are issued by political appointees and civil servants, who may be obliged to accept public comment but not necessarily to pay attention to it.

This has particular reprecussions on the federal level at present, as elected officials who were voted out of office in November are leaving behind a number of loyalists in the civil service bureaucracy whose influence will continue to be felt long after the people directly answerable to voters have been kicked out.

Comment #4: Witt  on  01/02  at  07:48 PM

The notion of over-regulation isn’t a false one, even if it is falsely and deceitfully used by conservatives.  Simple fact is, regulations grow like topsy and spread like weeds, and are rarely trimmed back except when they are changed with dismaying regularity.  Government is like any other human endeavour: there is a tremendous amount of self-perpetuation involved in employment.  A lot of regulations change simply because the jobs of many people depend on them constantly being changing and that confusion creating enforcement opportunities.

I know I’m repeating myself, but I will do it anyway:
We on the left have been scandalously remiss in seizing legitimate deregulation as our own issue.  Regulations tend to magically grow around people who don’t own politicians and impact disproportionately on them.  The notion of “stopping bullshit laws that only screw the little guy” is on the very, very, very long list of things that the Democratic left should seize and force onto the party agenda.

Comment #5: seeker6079  on  01/02  at  07:51 PM

Seeker, I’m mostly talking out of my hat here, but I was under the impression that the type of deregulation you’re talking about was a major focus of Al Gore’s Reinventing Government project while he was Vice President. Is that not true?

Comment #6: Witt  on  01/02  at  07:54 PM

Witt: It was, and it’s telling that it was both roundly mocked by conservatives, and saved the government far more money than their endless “waste, fraud, and abuse” schemes and their claims that they can pay for their tax cuts by finding change under the couch cushions.

Comment #7: Redshift  on  01/02  at  08:13 PM

Witt:
Quite true, and the positive points have been noted by Redshift.  The first problem with it was that both Clinton and Gore saw it almost entirely as a function of government.  It is also a function of politics: see below.  The second problem with it was that they never really messaged it into the mainstream; it never got much beyond The Daily Show and and the wonksphere.

Politically, I’m talking about making it a signature issue, a branding issue which immediately makes the Dems the party of small business, the way “defence” is automatically a GOP issue.  (The Dems have real problems with signature issues, tending to get lost in the small stuff, as has been mentioned here.)

Comment #8: seeker6079  on  01/02  at  08:34 PM

Conservatives, of course, want the government to use its power to oppress the working class and enforce social hierarchies. . . .

I believe that is the very definition of Conservativism.

Comment #9: sjk  on  01/02  at  08:35 PM

Hi, seeker. I know what you’re saying, and that’s why I did mention that the word “rules” was also something we should get back to.

Comment #10: Rick Massimo  on  01/02  at  08:47 PM

In a related development, conservatives haven’t believed in ‘Fiscal Coservatism’ for the past 30 years, either.

Comment #11: atheist  on  01/02  at  08:49 PM

Much of the trick is that for conservative regulation the government generally acts at the behest of private parties (think, for example, the laws that can put you in jail for making a bunch of copies of Photoshop) while for liberal regulation it generally acts on its own (e.g. corporate average fuel efficiency requirements).

One thing that’s hard to understand for a lot of people, especially those who have swallowed too much right-wing propaganda, is that you pretty much need a continual flow of new regulations, just to stay in the same place. Especially in the financial world, but also in pharma and chemical engineering and other fields, lots of very smart people get big bucks to figure out how to do things that meet the letter of current regulations while having the effect (profit, mostly) of things that don’t. Unless the regulators have the funding, authority and desire to keep up with the regulated, you end up with things like synthetic CDOs and no-doc mortgages.

Comment #12: paul  on  01/02  at  10:32 PM

you pretty much need a continual flow of new regulations, just to stay in the same place

This is a really interesting point, and I hadn’t thought about it that way before. It’s like an arms race, and when you add in the illustration of all of the people in private industry whose job it is to figure out a way around the regulations, you can make it even more illustrative.

Comment #13: Witt  on  01/02  at  10:53 PM

Right, so I got tangled up in my own syntax there. Obviously I meant that you can make the example more illuminating if you give a concrete example.

Comment #14: Witt  on  01/02  at  11:06 PM

We’re used to the part of government regulation that’s for the rich—statute and common law—evolving, but not so much the part that’s for the rest of us. No one would say that judges should stop deciding cases, even though almost every case refines or extends the law. Why? Because people’s property and contractual rights are at stake. But when it’s merely the health or the lives or the houses of people who can’t hire their own lawyers, well, for the government to get involved there would clearly be overreaching.

If you want to see this kind of stuff in action, in horrifying detail, David Cay Johnston’s Perfectly Legal, about the manipulation of the tax system by the rich, is a great read. For those who don’t have to worry about their blood pressure, at least.

Comment #15: paul  on  01/03  at  01:11 AM

While we’re debunking conservative myths, how about the myth that conservatives favor low taxes? What they favor is shifting the tax burden from the wealthy to the poor and middle class, which is why they like schemes like the flat income tax and the value added tax.

Ultimately, all government services will have to be paid for, and Reagan and the Bushes spent considerably more than either Carter or Clinton. So the Republicans pursued policies that will increase taxes in the long run. They just want to make sure that those taxes aren’t paid by the billionaires.

Comment #16: gordo  on  01/03  at  01:34 AM

...since half the population has below average intelligence…

Okay, I’m tired and I’m not great at reading people, but… you’re making a joke here, right? Because that’s pretty impossible.

Comment #17: Becky  on  01/03  at  07:01 AM

Becky

If ‘average’ is a mathematical point that represents the IQ’s of everyone in the population added together, and then divided by the number of people, then, if the intelligence of the public has a normal distribution, half of the public will have IQ’s below the mathematical average, and half will have IQ’s above the mathematical average.

Comment #18: atheist  on  01/03  at  09:58 AM

Well, I hate to quibble, but in any large population there will be a considerable number of people exactly *at* the mathematical average, so it’s most likely that *neither* those above or below average constitute a numerical majority…

Comment #19: jjcomet  on  01/03  at  11:43 AM

I used to believe in the “Half above, half below” theory of human intelligence.  And then I realized that can’t explain how George Bush could have been a two-term president.

My theory is there are a whole bunch of stupid people whose profile is low enough to pass unrecognized.  They are sort of like the Dark Matter that keeps the universe from expanding out of control.  Only in the case of the stupid people, they actually prevent progress from otherwise occurring…

Comment #20: MikeEss  on  01/03  at  12:19 PM

That’s a good article, but I think Baker missed example #1 of how conservatives want more regulation to advance their preferred ends: their crusade to keep the morning-after pill and other forms of contraception off-limits to teenagers and generally as difficult to obtain as possible. That vaunted commitment to the free market goes up in smoke as soon as pharmacies might want to sell their products to anyone who needs them. (To be fair, the article was more about income distribution and the financial sector.)

Comment #21: Ebonmuse  on  01/03  at  12:37 PM

IQ only evaluates certain types of intelligence - some say there are about five additional types that a standard test does not touch.  These are the kinds of things where W excelled.

That said, excellent post.  It is very true that it isn’t about less government or more government - it is about who pulls the levers on the left or who gets to hijack the machinery for profiteering on the right. 

Ideology of a virus there, Brownie?  You betcha!

Comment #22: Ms Kate  on  01/03  at  12:52 PM

It’s a joke, and a cliched one at that, but it’s a joke based in a mathematical reality.  Of course, average intelligence is still competence, even by IQ test standards.  The baseline is what you’d have to drop below to be considered mentally retarded.  The IQ test is great at measuring someone’s intelligence insofar as they may need extra help to get by, but not so much at determining how smart people without mental disabilities are.

But it was a joke.  Obviously, I’m a fan of the multiple intelligences.  I’m sure there’s more than 5—-I know people who have poor logic skills but are hilarious, for instance.

Comment #23: Amanda Marcotte  on  01/03  at  01:11 PM

“Conservatives, of course, want the government to use its power to oppress the working class and enforce social hierarchies that benefit the few at the expense of the many.  Liberals want government power to be used to get us closer to the goals of equality and freedom for all”


Oh stop…..you are killing me…..........sometimes I wonder how people who appear to be intelligent can believe something so stupid. the line should read” Liberals believe in using the power of the govt to take from people who are productive and give it to people who are not. Why not let traditional charities take care of the “less fortunate” ?. Why wont every “rich liberal” in the US simply give himself a salary of, say, 50,000 and give everything else away. I would at least respect someone who did that. Why dont you make a stand for socialisim Amanda and give away the millions you make from this site. (you are a socialist right?)

Comment #24: Casp  on  01/03  at  01:32 PM

Much of the trick is that for conservative regulation the government generally acts at the behest of private parties (think, for example, the laws that can put you in jail for making a bunch of copies of Photoshop) while for liberal regulation it generally acts on its own (e.g. corporate average fuel efficiency requirements).

I don’t agree with that at all.  Counter examples are easy to think of.  Government acts at the behest of private parties when, for example, you call the police because your neighbor set your tool shed on fire.  And it acts on its own accord when it arrests people for being homosexuals, or communists.  It’s not a matter of private or public action.  It’s a matter of advantaging the powerful even more than they already are, vs. protecting the powerless and/or leveling the playing field to narrow the power gap in the first place.

Comment #25: libdevil  on  01/03  at  01:43 PM

Ronald Reagan talked about “getting the government off the backs of the people,” but he only meant it when the government was crowding the rich and powerful out of the saddle.

If Reagan really was that Libertarian, why would he have nominated Robert Bork, who could not find the right to privacy in the 4th Amendment’s “right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects?”

Comment #26: Judge Moonbox  on  01/03  at  01:53 PM

Except that in our society, productivity generally has fuck-all to do with income.

Comment #27: Entomologista  on  01/03  at  01:53 PM

Casp, why are you wasting your beautiful mind here trying to enlighten us dirty fucking Socialist hippies?

Don’t you have a leather-bound, autographed set of Ayn Rand’s stunningly insightful (and wonderfully written) works that are just dying for your attention?

Besides, don’t you need to write letters to your brave Republican congresspeople to make sure that they block each and every bill proposed by the Obama Administration, especially anything having to do with Marxist ideas like an economic stimulus?...

...and what’s that I hear?  It’s the 19th Century calling — they want their let-them-eat-cake Capitalism back…where it properly belongs…

Comment #28: MikeEss  on  01/03  at  02:22 PM

Libdevil:

that’s why I said “generally”. My main point was that when the government acts to protect things that someone has defined as individual property rights—enforcing contracts regardless of how one-sided, placing “intellectual property” violations on a par with assault and battery, blah blah blah—those things are seldom thought of as intrusive government regulation. They’re just “enforcing the law.”

Comment #29: paul  on  01/03  at  02:50 PM

“Conservatives support regulatory structures that cause income to flow upward, while liberals support regulatory structures that promote equality.”

Or, as I’ve been saying for many years: “Liberals” want to tell you what to do for your own good, but “conservatives” want to tell you what to do for *their* own good.

Comment #30: older  on  01/03  at  03:32 PM

“It is terrible to contemplete how few politicians are hanged.” - The Cleveland Press, 3/1/21

Comment #31: Michael Mcgreevy  on  01/03  at  04:16 PM

“Conservatives, of course, want the government to use its power to oppress the working class and enforce social hierarchies that benefit the few at the expense of the many.  Liberals want government power to be used to get us closer to the goals of equality and freedom for all”

“Oh stop…..you are killing me…..........sometimes I wonder how people who appear to be intelligent can believe something so stupid. the line should read” Liberals believe in using the power of the govt to take from people who are productive and give it to people who are not. Why not let traditional charities take care of the “less fortunate” ?. Why wont every “rich liberal” in the US simply give himself a salary of, say, 50,000 and give everything else away. I would at least respect someone who did that. Why dont you make a stand for socialisim Amanda and give away the millions you make from this site. (you are a socialist right?) ” -Casp


What’s that saying? Something like, “Liberals dream of a world where people can rise up based on their merit and hard work; conservatives believe it already is.” Case proven.

Comment #32: Zora  on  01/03  at  04:56 PM

Casp-

Millions?  WTF?  Who makes millions on a BLOG?!?

Comment #33: Antigone  on  01/03  at  05:24 PM

the line should read” Liberals believe in using the power of the govt to take from people who are productive

Such as stock and real estate speculators…

and give it to people who are not.

Such as teachers, police, and sewer workers.

Dude, it’s called “capitalism”.  The defining characteristic is “capital” - i.e. money that gives an income to people who do not work for it.

Comment #34: Phoenician in a time of Romans  on  01/03  at  06:20 PM

The point about Gore’s Reinventing Government program is good.  It was somewhat hamstrung by the fact that for much of the Clinton/Gore administration the legislative side required working with Gingrich and company, who took a wrecking crew approach to reform.  Still, it did help streamline things and did so without compromising legitimate regulatory functions.

Comment #35: togolosh  on  01/03  at  07:30 PM

I used to believe in the “Half above, half below” theory of human intelligence.  And then I realized that can’t explain how George Bush could have been a two-term president.

Actually, Mike, it explains it *perfectly.*

George Bush won with 51% of the vote. That’s 50% comprised of the people with below average intelligence, and 1% comprised of the power elite he was screwing over the rest of the country to favor.

Comment #36: Alara Rogers  on  01/03  at  09:44 PM

Much of the trick is that for conservative regulation the government generally acts at the behest of private parties (think, for example, the laws that can put you in jail for making a bunch of copies of Photoshop) while for liberal regulation it generally acts on its own (e.g. corporate average fuel efficiency requirements).

Though I understand and agree with the general point you are making, your use of media piracy is not the best example to demonstrate this because the media corporations who lobbied for the regulations have been lobbying everyone across the aisle, including many liberal democrats because those media companies are located in their district/state and/or they receive huge donations from political allies from such media industries (i.e. Hollywood studios, RIAA*, etc).

* Incidentally, Hillary Rosen, Democrat CNN/Huff Post contributor was former Chairperson of the RIAA during the early stages of its aggressively lobbying for such draconian anti-piracy laws.

Comment #37: exholt  on  01/05  at  02:51 AM
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