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Fetuses are not in your food

This is why I hate, absolutely hate Dana Milbank-style "both sides do it!" false equivalence when applied to the reproductive rights debate. One side believes full access to contraception and safe abortion is a basic human right and good public health policy. The other side is concerned that human fetuses are in your food. Yes, you read that correctly, but in case you're still reeling from the sheer paranoid stupidity of it all, here is NPR totally confirming the story:

A bill introduced in the Oklahoma Legislature has some folks scratching their heads, as it prohibits "the manufacture or sale of food or products which use aborted human fetuses."

Since the bill was introduced late last week by State Sen. Ralph Shortey, a Republican from Oklahoma City, corners of the Internet have been buzzing with the news, as people try to figure out two things: 1) is this real; and 2) is there any reason the bill might be needed?

1) Yes. This guy really did introduce this bill. 2) No, and how stupid do you have to be?

Shortey is now in full blown wingnut deflection mode, giving weird and obtuse answers when asked about why he wrote this bill. But I have no doubt that he literally thinks fetuses are going into food. Anti-choicers have a lot of weird theories about what abortion providers do with the fetuses they remove. The answer, in the real world, is they dispose of it like you do all biowaste removed during surgeries. In most abortions, the embryo is just a teeny portion of everything removed during the procedure, after all. But there's a ton of lurid urban legends in Christian right circles about fetus-eating, and claims that abortion providers keep fetuses in their refrigerator in order to eat them, I suppose on their lunch break or something. It's a little hard to understand how people can be so delusional, but you have to remember, these are people who believe in angels and demon possession and that Tim Tebow is blessed by god. They have a lot of practice believing impossible things. 

Beyond the obvious, here is why this paranoia is so ridiculous: 88% of abortions are performed in the first 12 weeks of pregnancy. 61% are done in the first 9 weeks. Here is the Web MD description of a fetus at 12 weeks:

The fetus now measures about 2.5 inches from crown to rump and weighs between three-tenths of an ounce and half an ounce.

Let's face it: it would take a lot of fetuses to get even your bare minimum of protein requirements in a day. An adult man needs about 2 ounces of protein a day, so you'd need something like 4-6 abortions per day to reach just that. It's not something the fast food industry could really rely on. Mathematically, it's implausible, and of course, real world-style, it's just ridiculous to believe this. 

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Posted by Amanda Marcotte on 12:12 PM • (64) Comments

The way anti-choicers talk about abortion, I’m pretty sure the image they have in their head involves a doctor ripping a fully-grown baby from a woman’s womb and crushing it in his mighty fist.

And if you’re willing to believe that doctors - doctors who are simply in the business of reproductive health, mind you, simply following their life’s pursuit of keeping women healthy and in control of their bodies - are that evil, I can certainly see why you’re willing to believe that they eat fetuses.

Comment #1: Triplanetary  on  01/26  at  12:45 PM

I remember learning about the Inquisition and laughing at all the crazy stuff said at witch trials, but sometimes I think the fundies we have today are just as bad. Does it ever go away? Satanic Panic, fetuses in your food… These people need to channel their fervid imaginations into writing horror novels.

Comment #2: Veronica  on  01/26  at  12:53 PM

Oklahoma seems to excel in finding solutions to nonexistent problems. Like the sharia ban approved by 70% of voters that was whomped down by a federal appeals court.

Comment #3: jeevmon  on  01/26  at  12:54 PM

As part of the non-crazy minority of Oklahomans, I am actually kind of relieved when my legislature decides to spend its time on utterly imaginary nonsense like this, as the alternative use of their time usually involves dangerous nonsense that actually hurts people.  Every minute spent drawing up, debating, and voting on laws banning fetal food is a minute not spent punishing teachers, shifting the tax burden even more heavily from the wealthy to the middle-class and poor, or further restricting what limited access women have to abortion in this state.

Comment #4: Ben Alpers  on  01/26  at  12:55 PM

Dead babies are the secret ingredient at Doublefetus Palace!

Comment #5: bomberE  on  01/26  at  12:56 PM

Just when you thought people couldn’t get any dumber… Oh wait, I never thought that. People can always get dumber. And crazier. It’s almost like it’s a contest: America’s Craziest Wingnut.

Comment #6: progrocker  on  01/26  at  12:57 PM

I remember learning about the Inquisition and laughing at all the crazy stuff said at witch trials, but sometimes I think the fundies we have today are just as bad. Does it ever go away? Satanic Panic, fetuses in your food

It’s exactly the same kind of delusion. And people still die as a result. Is there any substantial difference between Dr. Tiller and an accused witch who’s burned at the stake or hanged? But even more numerous are the women who die from childbirth complications due to the extreme difficulty in obtaining third-trimester abortions.

Comment #7: Triplanetary  on  01/26  at  12:59 PM

To be fair, the fetus-cuisine market is mostly made up of atheists like myself who are only a small percentage of the population, so the gazillions of babbys killeded by teh Planned Parenthood are more than enough to satisfy my ravenous demon hunger.

Comment #8: Jimmy  on  01/26  at  01:07 PM

Soylent Green is people! You can thus feel safe eating Soylent Green, as it is guaranteed not to contain any fetuses (since fetuses aren’t people).

Comment #9: BlackBloc  on  01/26  at  01:14 PM

Must have been watching that old South Park episode where Cartman tries to sell lost embryos as jumbo shrimp.

Comment #10: ganews_  on  01/26  at  01:18 PM

@ 8 Jimmy

I don’t know how you like your fetus, but I find nothing beats 12 week old fetus nigiri topped with just a little bit of genuine wasabi.

Comment #11: prufrock  on  01/26  at  01:31 PM

I’m 100% sure the bill is in response to this little controversy (note: the following article is incredibly biased and has a bunch of inaccurate scientific information): http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/pro-life-groups-call-for-pepsi-boycott-over-aborted-fetal-cell-lines

HEK 293 is a fetal stem cell line developed in the 1970s that a company contracted by Pepsi has in the past used to culture proteins which are then used in some scientifict ‘flavor testing.’

Comment #12: Sarah TX  on  01/26  at  01:45 PM

When I first saw this story on another blog I totally expected the post to end with the words “April Fool.” I didn’t think they could get any dumber than the Ron Paul “I saw an abortion provider throw a live baby into a bucket” lie, but they found the bottom and kept on digging.

Veronica #2, the fundies today are worse because they have the ability to spread their lies in mere seconds via the internet. They don’t have to travel from town to town on horse back with their lurid tales of abortion providers ritually sacrificing fetuses and feasting on them in their Satan worshiping rites.

Comment #13: serious bette  on  01/26  at  01:46 PM

Are we sure the Santorums just slept with poor little aborted Gabriel?  Maybe they sauteed him with some fried green tomatoes?

Catholics eat the Body of Christ at Eucharist, and it really is the body of Christ, for all that it looks like bread or a wafer.  It has been transubstantiated.  It’s not just a symbol.

So eating little Gabriel would be making him part of their bodies and souls, too, right?

Comment #14: Caren-Sun-blocking Creator of Animorphic Pancakes  on  01/26  at  01:51 PM

When balut is outlawed, only outlaws will have balut.

Comment #15: Dark Avenger Guardian Chow Mein  on  01/26  at  02:11 PM

@11 - I like a fetus carpaccio if I can get them fresh with a side of pasta al embryoni, and maybe some zygote caviar.

Comment #16: Jimmy  on  01/26  at  02:19 PM

You people are just elitist & wrong.  Real Americans would marinate it in olive oil & balsamic vinegar & grill it on a George Foreman.

Comment #17: GSDavis  on  01/26  at  02:23 PM

Like Sarah at #12 pointed out, this is actually an end-run at stem cell research. The bill also includes a bit about “which used aborted human fetuses in the research or development of any of the ingredients” which is a direct reference to fetal stem cell research.

Comment #18: Morejello  on  01/26  at  02:23 PM

Silly Republicans. Everybody with half a brain knows we don’t eat our fetuses; we sacrifice them to the Blood Arch Demon.

Comment #19: Baruk  on  01/26  at  02:24 PM

@ 16 - The carpaccio is a good choice, however I’m just not that big a fan of caviar. 

I prefer my zygote poached.

Comment #20: prufrock  on  01/26  at  02:26 PM

You people are just elitist & wrong.  Real Americans would marinate it in olive oil & balsamic vinegar & grill it on a George Foreman.

Pfft.  Real Americans would never sacrifice the smoke flavor produced by a real charcoal grill.  Using a George Foreman to cook your fetus is sacrilegious.

Using a Weber?  Sacrilicious!

Comment #21: prufrock  on  01/26  at  02:31 PM

How could people be getting fetuses to eat when everyone knows the entire supply is needed to manufacture cosmetics?

Comment #22: TiminIowa  on  01/26  at  03:11 PM

@ 16 - The carpaccio is a good choice, however I’m just not that big a fan of caviar.

I prefer my zygote poached.

Should I pair it with a red wine or a white wine? I was thinking of a Malbec.

Comment #23: Dilan Esper  on  01/26  at  03:15 PM

*sigh*
I despair for my native state.  Oklahoma Republicans have always been batshit crazy and brain dead stupid (http://blog.lordsutch.com/?entryid=2442), but I swear that they have gotten worse in the 25 years since I left the state.  To make it worse, they are now in charge, rather than largely marginalized.

Comment #24: DrDick  on  01/26  at  03:26 PM

Let’s face it: it would take a lot of fetuses to get even your bare minimum of protein requirements in a day. An adult man needs about 2 ounces of protein a day, so you’d need something like 4-6 abortions per day to reach just that. It’s not something the fast food industry could really rely on. Mathematically, it’s implausible, and of course, real world-style, it’s just ridiculous to believe this.

Well, duh, fetuses are a condiment, like truffles.  You don’t eat them for the protein; you eat them for the flavour.

Stay away from the powdered stuff though.  They use cheap imported fetuses from Costa Rica.

Comment #25: Phoenician in a time of Romans  on  01/26  at  03:39 PM

HEK 293 is a fetal stem cell line developed in the 1970s that a company contracted by Pepsi has in the past used to culture proteins which are then used in some scientifict ‘flavor testing.’
Comment #12: Sarah TX on 01/26 at 01:45 PM

If that’s the case, then he’s also outlawed some vaccines (Note it says product) because IIRC, that same type petri dish growth was used to grow various strains of the diseases in order to get the killed disease cells that are in vaccines. 

Amanda, correct me if I’m wrong on the above, but back when I actually bothered to read and rebut the more nutty anti-choicers,  I believe it’s how I ran across your blog.

Comment #26: phylosopher  on  01/26  at  03:47 PM

You people are just elitist & wrong.  Real Americans would marinate it in olive oil & balsamic vinegar & grill it on a George Foreman.
Comment #17: GSDavis on 01/26 at 02:23 PM

And who are YOU?  Michelle Obama, with your OLIVE OIL.  RILLL ‘Merican fetus is deep fried at the county fair.

Comment #27: phylosopher  on  01/26  at  03:50 PM

I vaguely remember rumors from decades ago that aborted fetuses were in shampoo and cosmetics. Looks like they’re stepping up the crazy (big surprise).

Note to whoever is responsible for ad placement on this site: You may want to rethink that ad for Hamburger Helper between this post and the comments.

Comment #28: Bitter Scribe  on  01/26  at  03:51 PM

His “explanations” for the bill are even funnier. Taken from Echidne’s site:

Though he has allowed that he is not aware of this occurring in Oklahoma, or anywhere for that matter, Shortey cited research he did on the internet that claimed that some companies use embryonic stem cells to help develop artificial flavoring. “It would be a public relations nightmare for a company to use” aborted human fetuses for R&D, Shortey told KRMG Radio, so when asked they usually say something like “we strive to do things ethically.”
“I’m not entirely sure if there are any” companies doing this, he continued. “But the fact is that there is a potential that there are companies that are using aborted human babies in their research and development of basically enhancing flavor for artificial flavors. And if that is happening — because it is a possibility — and if it’s happening then I just don’t think it should even be an option for a company.”

I’m pretty sure “internet research” was a chain email.

Comment #29: MoseyMcShuffleson  on  01/26  at  04:00 PM

@23 - you don’t pair haute fetus cuisine with wine, you pair it with sacrificial blood. If you can’t find any, I suppose some transsubstantiated communion wine would work in a pinch.

Comment #30: Jimmy  on  01/26  at  04:07 PM

But phylosopher, at the county fair you gotta shake things up a bit for the fetus-fryin’ contest.

You know what this thread is in danger of turning into, folks ... To Serve Fetus!

Comment #31: GSDavis  on  01/26  at  04:09 PM

@28
He looked it up on the internet.

GUYS, IT’S ON THE INTERNET!

God.

You, person who voted for this person. Go to the bathroom and look at yourself in the mirror. Just look for a while.

Comment #32: Baruk  on  01/26  at  04:10 PM

Why would the Internet lie to me?!

Comment #33: Triplanetary  on  01/26  at  04:31 PM

Using a 40 yea- old stem cell line for taste-testing soft drinks does sound kinda cost-effective creepy (hiring actual humans to taste test soda is apparently more expensive.)

But, hey, isn’t that the sort of bottom-line capitalism that wing nuts ordinarily celebrate?

Why pay adult workers to drink pop when using fetus’ parts four decades dead mean you can hand the CEO a bigger bonus?

Comment #34: judybrowni  on  01/26  at  05:00 PM

RILLL ‘Merican fetus is deep fried at the county fair.

County fair?  Shit, son, at the state fair you can get ‘em not only fried but on a stick too.  You can find the booth between the deep-fried Oreos and the frickles.

Comment #35: bomberE  on  01/26  at  05:11 PM

How is this not the end game for Newt’s Put Children to Work proposals?

Comment #36: judybrowni  on  01/26  at  05:22 PM

Isn’t it already against the law to use human remains without specific FDA approval?

Comment #37: Crissa  on  01/26  at  05:28 PM

What are frickles?

Comment #38: MoseyMcShuffleson  on  01/26  at  05:36 PM

Oh, fried pickles.

@36 judybrowni - nicely done.

Comment #39: MoseyMcShuffleson  on  01/26  at  05:37 PM

I have an extremely nasty suspicion that the sticking power of this nonsense is somehow related to the centuries-old “blood libel” against Jews.  (“Blood libel” is the fantastical paranoid lie from the Middle Ages that Passover matzoh contained blood from Christian infants.)

Sarah Palin was throwing around the phrase “blood libel” last year, right?  Doesn’t that mean it still has some traction?

Comment #40: ellefromtheeast  on  01/26  at  05:41 PM

I’m not really a scientist (I just play one on the internets), but I don’t think ‘taste testing’ is really an accurate description of the science. You can see one Senomyx article here: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2842059/

Basically they Senomyx searched for and discovered a proprietary molecule that enhances sweetness, but does not taste sweet on its own. Human taste-tests aren’t ‘good enough’ to test this molecule because they can’t really characterize the response in a quantitative way that looking at the actual molecules can (and since this molecule doesn’t taste sweet on its own, human taste tests couldn’t be used to identify it). Whether or not Senomyx’s proprietary molecule is used in anything is, I imagine, unknowable.

So yes, the pro-life argument now is that no stem cell line that was developed from fetal or embryonic sources should be used for anything. This excludes quite a few vaccines.

Comment #41: Sarah TX  on  01/26  at  06:06 PM

I think we should all pause for a moment and appreciate bomberE’s reference to an arcane Buffy monster-of-the-week episode.

Thank you.

“This place is okay for a hole in the ground. You fixed it up.”
“I ate a decorator once. Maybe something stuck.”

Comment #42: Proboscidea  on  01/26  at  06:32 PM

Regardless of what Pepsi is doing with the stem cell embryos, or whatever they are, one thing they are definitely not is “fetuses.”  I don’t know when life begins, etc., but I think there is a fairly settled scientific description of what is an embryo and when it becomes a fetus.  Or, at least, there was when I had biology in high school in, like, 1977.

Comment #43: Iam138  on  01/26  at  06:53 PM

You’re dating yourself, Iam138.  That was way back in the days when some things were allowed to be “settled.”  (Or “scientific,” for that matter.)  Nothing gets left alone now.

Comment #44: GSDavis  on  01/26  at  07:34 PM

Ok, this is so insane that people aren’t going to do a good job of coding it into their thoughts, but the fact is, this guy is so damaged that he seriously thought this needed to happen.

This is a thing that was in his head, and he didn’t immediately go, “Well, wasn’t that a strange thought,” and reject it.

Comment #45: Punditus Maximus  on  01/26  at  07:47 PM

“I didn’t think they could get any dumber than the Ron Paul “I saw an abortion provider throw a live baby into a bucket” lie, but they found the bottom and kept on digging.”

Here’s the thing that has always bothered me about the “I saw an abortion provider throw a live baby into a bucket/a broom closet/the path of an oncoming street sweeper” trope: Did none of these accusing witnesses ever think to take the live baby out of the bucket?  Maybe retrieve the poor, abandoned, easily-saveable infant from the closet?  Pluck it from the bristles of certain broomy death?

Comment #46: preying mantis  on  01/26  at  08:33 PM

I just posted this on the wrong thread.  I think that’s the first time I’ve made that mistake :(

“This is a thing that was in his head, and he didn’t immediately go, “Well, wasn’t that a strange thought,” and reject it.”

If he was any sort of normal person then he would have rejected it and immediately forgotten about even thinking it.  As a politician (especially in the Reichwing) his thought sequence probably went something like this:

1. I wonder if anybody’s ever eaten a fetus.
2. What do they taste like?
3. I bet the rubes would get upset if they thought there was fetus in their food.
4. But I have no evidence there is fetus in anybody’s food…
5. Evidence?  Since when do I need evidence for something I want to believe?
6. I bet I can turn this into an issue that will help get me re-elected, and if I’m lucky, some Democrat will come out on the short end for arguing about it.
7.  A law!  There has got to be a law to prevent this horrible possibility from ever happening!
8. The rubes are gonna love me!

9. I will now erase from my memory all of this cynical political calculation so I can work myself into an outrage over what “Science” and Liberals and FemiNazis and Coastal Elites are doing to this great country.  God-damned liberals, I hate ‘em!…

Comment #47: MikeEss  on  01/26  at  08:53 PM

Here’s the thing that has always bothered me about the “I saw an abortion provider throw a live baby into a bucket/a broom closet/the path of an oncoming street sweeper” trope: Did none of these accusing witnesses ever think to take the live baby out of the bucket?  Maybe retrieve the poor, abandoned, easily-saveable infant from the closet?  Pluck it from the bristles of certain broomy death?

I think these witnesses were too busy to do anything because at the same time they were watching, or even participating in, a Satanic cult’s child sacrifice which they also couldn’t stop and/or report to the police.

Comment #48: bananacat  on  01/26  at  09:57 PM

From what I understand, the dumshitte read something true about how food scientists have been using immortalized human embryonic kidney cells (referred to as HEK cells) grown in culture to express cloned taste receptors and screen for chemical compounds that can be added to foods to activate those receptors. This is a completely routine type of molecular biology procedure, and tens of thousands of laboratories across the world use these cells.

And yes, these cells derived from a human embryo, but this occurred many decades ago, and since then the cells have solely been passaged in culture. And no, chemical compounds identified using this screen would not have any “fetus” in them. But I guess this is the same kind of thing that has wingnuts all in a fucken uproar about the most remote connection between shitte they are in contact with and ABORTION! Like, “OMFG!! People are using UNITED STATES LEGAL TENDER CURRENCY TO PAY FOR ABORTIONS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  THIS MUST BE BANNED!!!!!!!!! BECAUSE OUR HOLY DOLLARS CANNOT TOUCH ABORTED FETUSES!@@!!!!!!!!!

Comment #49: PhysioProf  on  01/26  at  10:12 PM

“Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities.”-Voltaire

We can laugh at this absurd bill, but this is what inspires crazy anti-choice violence against clinics and doctors.

Comment #50: Albert Cirrus  on  01/26  at  10:54 PM

Growing up, when pro-lifers would throw the whole “how can you kill a precious unborn child” thingy at me, I would always answer that they were just so delicious, so this whole thing could be my fault.

Also, you guys are all clearly pinko commie posers. The way we real real Americans eat our fetus is deep fried then smothered in Cheez Whiz and ranch dressing and topped with bacon crumbles.

Comment #51: alysia  on  01/26  at  11:57 PM

Ha, ha, ha, Republicans sure are dumb! Let’s tell jokes about eating fetuses and laugh at the stupid Republican!

You’re being played. Read the bill. Sure, on the surface, it’s about fetuses in food, but it dresses it up in legalese by referring to “products intended for human consumption”. Oh, and the bill also outlaws using fetuses in researching or developing those products for human consumption. But hey, that’s all just food, right, and Republicans sure are stupid for thinking people put fetuses in food, right?

Wrong. It also covers medicines. They may be developed using stem cells and are intended for human consumption. This isn’t a bill about a fetus in a Coke can, this is a bill about stem cell research, and you’re all falling for it.

The text:
BE IT ENACTED BY THE PEOPLE OF THE STATE OF OKLAHOMA:
SECTION 1. NEW LAW A new section of law to be codified in the Oklahoma Statutes as Section 1-1150 of Title 63, unless there is created a duplication in numbering, reads as follows:
No person or entity shall manufacture or knowingly sell food or any other product intended for human consumption which contains aborted human fetuses in the ingredients or which used aborted human fetuses in the research or development of any of the ingredients.

Comment #52: Theaetetus  on  01/27  at  12:19 AM

@52: If you read upthread, yep, people have noticed that, and nope, it doesn’t make it any better that he thinks stem cells are the same thing as fetuses.

Comment #53: Erda  on  01/27  at  02:10 AM

I think these witnesses were too busy to do anything because at the same time they were watching, or even participating in, a Satanic cult’s child sacrifice which they also couldn’t stop and/or report to the police.

*facepalm* Duh.  Of course.  How stupid of me.  If they’d stopped to fish the baby out of the bucket, the black mass would have been ruined.  They were probably also busy walking the rat-dog they brought back from Mexico.

Seriously, though, it’s like telling a story in which you were punching out after a gnarly shift at work, found one of your coworkers smothering an unattended toddler, muttered “Fuck it if I’m punching back in to deal with this,” and kept walking.  I know the point of it is “Abortion doctors are monsters!”, but it’s not painting themselves in too flattering a light, either.

Comment #54: preying mantis  on  01/27  at  08:26 AM

Did none of these accusing witnesses ever think to take the live baby out of the bucket?  Maybe retrieve the poor, abandoned, easily-saveable infant from the closet?  Pluck it from the bristles of certain broomy death?

It has been pointed out that if Ron Paul is telling the truth (not that there’s any chance he is), he’s essentially complicit in the baby’s death.

But it’s a great story, because the fact that it didn’t even occur to Ron Paul when he made up that lie shows how much regard anti-choicers really have for life.

Comment #55: Triplanetary  on  01/27  at  09:19 AM

It’s always a great story.  You get a clear mental picture of them (medical professionals!  nurses and OB/GYNs!) looking at the infant in the closet or the baby in the bucket, looking at their watches, saying “Well, my shift’s almost over.  Tough luck, baby.”, and then just wandering off.  Like, either you’re a liar—and not even a terribly good one—or what the fuck is wrong with you?

Comment #56: preying mantis  on  01/27  at  10:23 AM

Well, I was planning on shrimp for lunch.

Comment #57: junk science  on  01/27  at  01:23 PM

Maybe he saw Dumplings and thought it was a documentary.

Comment #58: Zarquon  on  01/27  at  05:40 PM

Well, it just goes to show how foreign the idea of actually picking up a baby and taking care of it is to them. They don’t want you to kill a fetus, but what happens when it’s born? Are they lining up outside adoption agencies and foster care homes? They just can’t conceive of it, it’s like the passivity of the fetus gets transferred to the child as well, in their minds both pregnancy and parenthood are, literally, a blessing, where you don’t actually do anything but just bask in the Lord’s glory, and things magically fall into place because the world is charmed by the purity of your heart’s love or somesuch.

Taking care of children? Well, you know. That’s for women and maids and other less-than-humans.

Comment #59: SallyStrange  on  01/27  at  10:35 PM

Also, you guys are all clearly pinko commie posers. The way we real real Americans eat our fetus is deep fried then smothered in Cheez Whiz and ranch dressing and topped with bacon crumbles.
Comment #51: alysia on 01/26 at 11:57 PM

That’s trademarked Baco’s to you.  And I’ll bet you don’t know how they make at and cornstarch red, do you?  Well what do you think they do with the fetus blood?  I just saw the report on Fox, so of course it’s true!

Comment #60: phylosopher  on  01/28  at  01:11 AM

Like many urban legends, the stories about aborted babies/feti dying in utility closets come from one source:

Christ Hospital controversy

  Stanek gained initial prominence in 1999 when she testified that, while she worked as a nurse at Christ Hospital in Oak Lawn, Illinois, infants that survived induced labor abortions were abandoned to die in a utility room.[5] These allegations led to a formal investigation by the Illinois Department of Public Health, which stated that the hospital violated no state laws. Shortly thereafter, Advocate Health Care changed its policy on induced labor abortions, barring its use against fetuses with non-lethal developmental issues.[6]

  A Christ Hospital spokesman admitted “that between 10 percent and 20 percent of fetuses with genetic defects that are aborted survive for short periods outside the womb.”[7]

  At the signing ceremony for the Born-Alive Infants Protection Act, President George W. Bush named Stanek in his speech, publicly thanking her for being in attendance.[8]

 

Comment #61: Dark Avenger Guardian Chow Mein  on  01/28  at  12:00 PM

Stanek gained initial prominence in 1999 when she testified that, while she worked as a nurse at Christ Hospital in Oak Lawn, Illinois, infants that survived induced labor abortions were abandoned to die in a utility room.

...and like Ron Paul, she couldn’t be arsed to rescue these babies and take them to a morally upright Christian hospital?

Seriously, that anti-choicers and wingnuts at large can make these statements and nobody asks those obvious questions is a huge reason that our government is so broken. When did the wingnut reality bubble expand to include the Village and the media?

Comment #62: Triplanetary  on  01/28  at  03:00 PM

If we believe absurdities, we shall commit atrocities

Voltaire

Comment #63: Dark Avenger Guardian Chow Mein  on  01/28  at  05:12 PM

Here’s the thing that has always bothered me about the “I saw an abortion provider throw a live baby into a bucket/a broom closet/the path of an oncoming street sweeper” trope: Did none of these accusing witnesses ever think to take the live baby out of the bucket?  Maybe retrieve the poor, abandoned, easily-saveable infant from the closet?  Pluck it from the bristles of certain broomy death?
Comment #46: preying mantis on 01/26 at 08:33 PM

Apparently that objection has been raised enough times that a variation of the story has arisen:
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.folklore.urban/msg/108ebc719802e766?dmode=source
“* The aborted baby who is smuggled into NICU and miraculously survives
(I’ve heard this story from so many sources now, it’s definitely an UL). “

Comment #64: oldfeminist  on  01/28  at  10:04 PM
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