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Food Saturdays: Hanging In The Balance Edition

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Since we made all our fund-raising goals for the abortion fund, I have a lot of promises to keep!  (Of course, you can still donate and help us wildly exceed our goals here.) And, as you all know, my food posts have attracted a surprising amount of haterade, though I’ve made my peace with it.  (I remembered that a woman writing about anything considered traditionally feminine—-fashion, wedding planning, motherhood, housekeeping, crafts—-is going to face people insisting that she’s a complete failure who should be ashamed of herself. I shouldn’t expect an exception from this rule.  Plus, some of the comments are typical of the way that vegetarians get harassed generally.)  However, it’s so strange that it gets so ugly that I promised, if we got up to $1,500, that I would introduce democracy into the situation.  I’m going to put up a poll to settle this question once and for all. And I promise to adhere to whatever the results are without complaint.

Should Food Saturdays continue?

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Now that’s done, and the fate of Food Saturdays hangs in the balance.  Let’s move on to this week’s food—-it may be the last!

Sweet PLTs and black bean soup

Baking sweet potato chipsI had lots of cooked black beans on hand, and I bought some celeriac at the farmer’s market, so I thought it would be interesting to combine these two ingredients into a black bean soup.  I did it the same as you would otherwise—-lots of spicy stuff, onions, garlic, all with the immersion blender, but added the celeriac to give it a smokier feeling.  Dolloped with yogurt and salsa verde.

Black bean soupMarc and I recently ate at this sandwich shop, which had really good food, even though I continue to find it funny to find the small towns of West Texas to be romanticized to the point where people are naming restaurants after them.  Anyway, Van Horn had a vegetarian/upscale play on the BLT called the PLT, which used chips made of sweet potatoes instead of bacon, and garlic aioli instead of mayo.  It was insanely good, so I thought I’d try to make it at home.  I made the chips by putting a sweet potato in my food processor on the mandolin function, and then baking them in the oven with salt, pepper, and smoked paprika (because the restaurant had smoked the potato, which I don’t have the capability of doing).  Instead of aioli, I used rosemary garlic goat cheese from the farmer’s market, and I caved and bought half a loaf of white sourdough from the farmer’s market for the bread. And to make it clear I was being snooty, I used arugula for the lettuce, but the tomato was a boring old tomato.  I think my reverse engineering was a success, but it was a sandwich and easy to do.

Sweet potato sandwichI would recommend this meal as a good way to convince someone that vegetarian food is way more fun than the same meat-and-potatoes.

Baked sweet potatoes with black beans, roasted asparagus

This is basically working with the same ingredients as before—-part of being a seasonal cook with only two eaters in the house means having to use the same kinds of things over and over, but luckily, Marc and I are both huge fans of black beans and sweet potatoes.  It’s a Texas thing. 

This one was simple.  I wrapped the sweet potatoes up in foil, and baked them.  While I was doing that, I washed and prepped the asparagus for roasting.  Put it when the clock had run down to 20 minutes.  Then I cut up some green onions and browned them slightly with garlic, added two cups cooked beans, tomato paste, salt, pepper, cumin, and chili powder.  Dashed some veggie broth on it to liquefy the tomato paste, and got it warm.

Served that mix over the baked sweet potatoes, and had asparagus on the side.  I didn’t take pictures, because my camera battery had run out.  But it’s a good second way to work with these ingredients. 

I had about a cup of beans left over, so I made some black bean sauce with some down time in the kitchen. That just is used over the kind of food I eat for breakfast and lunch—-cooked grains and veggies, veggie burgers, omelet.  Simple stuff.

 

 

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Posted by Amanda Marcotte on 10:38 AM • (87) Comments

I am a Texas girl myself, though I’ve found sweet potatoes used quite a bit in the deep south as well. I LOVE sweet potatoes.

I do a homemade breakfast taco with them.  Just bake or micro a SP until nearly done, then dice and fry it a bit to caramelize it. Use that with eggs, sausage, bacon, avocado, whatever you like on a tortilla.  I like eggs and bacon because the smoky bacon does wonders with a sweet potato.  I like a tomatillo salsa more than a red tomato based on but that’s just me.

Comment #1: JulesAboutTown  on  04/16  at  11:03 AM

Sauteed sweet potatoes or sweet potato chips are also great in salads with a savory vinaigrette.  Or baked with lime and chile. Or added to stir frys of any kind. Or baked with butter. I think the only way I don’t like SPs are the “traditional” way with marshmallow.

Comment #2: JulesAboutTown  on  04/16  at  11:07 AM

Yum!  Great idea for a sandwich- I’m going to have to try that sometime.  I live for _LT’s. 

Another one you might like is lettuce tomato red onion and avocado and a chunky sea salt with the garlic aoli- it sounds basic, but is anything but.  This place makes the best I’ve ever had, along with the best fries, but with juicy tomatoes and fresh avocadoes.  http://www.sandwhich.biz/  They use an amazing sourdough, but it isn’t the key.

Comment #3: drachonfire  on  04/16  at  11:09 AM

Hey, I figure if you’re a hater, you should own it.

The theme song of public vegetarians:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VLhZ52vVK-I

Comment #4: Amanda Marcotte  on  04/16  at  11:18 AM

Or, to put it another way, I’ve never known a hater to be discouraged by being called out. I figure they can handle it.  Haters, of all people, should have to take it if they’re dishing it out.

Comment #5: Amanda Marcotte  on  04/16  at  11:21 AM

Amanda, I have no strong opinion about whether the food posts should continue. Personally I tend to skip them; on the other hand, my instinct, always, is to *never* let the haters have their way. Give ‘em an inch, etc.

What I do want to comment on is your statement that “a woman writing about anything considered traditionally feminine—-fashion, wedding planning, motherhood, housekeeping, crafts—-is going to face people insisting that she’s a complete failure who should be ashamed of herself.” That is completely true!

But what is also true is that when a woman writes about something that is considered traditionally masculine, she will *also* face people insisting she’s a complete failure who should be ashamed of herself. When I was blogging, I didn’t face a whole lot of overt sexism, but jayzuz, when I wrote about economics, especially in any kind of a technical way, *that’s* when the knuckle-dragging misogynists came out of the woodwork.

I would be told, by people who clearly did not even have the most elementary grasp of what I was writing about, that I was a total idiot, that I had no idea what I was talking about, etc. This is especially true when I would deal with numbers and statistics. I would be told, more or less, that my clearly inferior ladybrain could not possibly grasp these inherently dudely subjects. And when I would point out that, actually, I have doctoral-level training in economics and statistics, so I kind of do understand this stuff, that’s when my trolls would *really* go apeshit—some of them going so far as to accuse me of lying about my education and training.

The bottom line is, a woman putting herself out there in public and claiming any kind of authority about anything is always bound to get a load of shit raining down upon her head. This is true whether you demurely stick to the lady subjects, or have the brass to take on the dudely subjects. You yourself have no doubt experienced this many times. As a woman, you just can’t win.

Comment #6: Kathy G.  on  04/16  at  12:27 PM

Man, I’m dying to try a half-dozen celeriac recipes I’ve amassed, but neither my supermarket nor farmers’ market ever has any. ::frustration!!!::

Comment #7: benvolio  on  04/16  at  12:48 PM

dear god that sounds delicious. keep up the food porn! haters to the left. honest to FSM, if you don’t like a post, SHUT THE FUCK UP and skip it. ain’t no one here 5, so act your age, not your shoe size.

Comment #8: chibi  on  04/16  at  12:48 PM

I don’t get what the big deal is.  Why can’t they just not read it if they don’t want to?

Comment #9: mtthw  on  04/16  at  12:58 PM

This comment is a little out of the ordinary for me. Why? Because I don’t usually comment in these Saturday food threads. Why? Because I’m not really interested in vegetarian cooking or beets or food co-ops or cooking in general.

So, here’s what I usually do when I see a post with pictures of cooked root vegetables on Pandagon: I skip it. I don’t read it, I don’t comment (the poll caught my eye on this one). I don’t feel that I’m depriving myself, and Amanda doesn’t give a damn whether I read it or not.

Here’s what I don’t do:

* Express resentment that, once a week, for one single post, Amanda regularly posts on something that holds zero interest for me, but apparently a lot of interest for her. This is a blog, and as much as the Pandagonians solicit reader feedback the final decision and responsibility for what goes on it is theirs.

* Turn that kind of resentment into a big pseudo-political debate. Maybe Marc helps Amanda in the kitchen, but if not it isn’t a sign that Amanda secretly enjoys playing Patriarchy Wifey, or that she’s somehow betraying feminism. Men cook, women cook, alone and together. Getting rid of sexual stereotyping of activities is at the core of feminism.

* Expect that Amanda services my content interests first and foremost. I’m sure there other regulars who enjoy the Saturday food posts—maybe a whole bunch of foodie and vegetarian regulars who I’m not aware of. Which would be awesome.

I don’t do these things because I’m a grown-up, not a spoiled and entitled child who believes that the bloggers (and novel writers, and TV showrunners, and OSS software engineers, and anyone else who offers the world free or inexpensive media) owe me as a “regular” or “fan” anything except a commitment to the excellence that drew me in in the first place (and from the POV of the debt holder, it’s a light debt). That’s the beginning and end of “fan service” in my view—everything else is gravy, and that’s usually available in copious amounts as well.

Yes, sometimes I’ll question what I think are bad choices or flawed statements someone I read or watch regularly makes, even going so far as to take it up in a public forum or directly with the writer/producer/etc. If I find myself questioning decisions too often, I usually stop being a fan or regular and look elsewhere. If they really go off the rails, I’ll mock them, but with no expectations that they’ll change and not by trolling on their home turf.

Yes, I get impatient when a creator misses a self-imposed deadline on something I’ve been expecting, but if that’s the price of excellence I (*gasp*) wait and find something else to do in the meantime. It’s not like there’s a lack of media, let alone other activities, available out there.

That Amanda feels compelled to even post this poll, let alone abide by its results, is a surprisingly shameful statement, and the shame is in no way Amanda’s. Not being a reader of these posts, I don’t know who’s been flinging around the amount of Haterade that would prompt Amanda to do this, an I’m frankly afraid to find out. But whoever it is: grow up.

[sorry for the long rant. I just read this article about George R.R. Martin’s fans and, sad to say, this post rang a bell]

Enjoy the spring (or fall) weekend.

Comment #10: Gracchus.  on  04/16  at  01:01 PM

I voted for continuance.  If someone doesn’t want to read the food posts, he’s perfectly free to ignore them.  Freedom of speech also includes the freedom to listen (or read) or not listen (or not read).

I haven’t read the comments you described, but your description sounds strangely like the ire cast at Jessica Valenti because she decided to get married; does liberalism really require conformity to the stereotypes of liberals, to avoid being labeled some form of counter-revolutionary?

As for me, I’m more interested in the photography: in some of your older CSA posts, I noticed the old hardwood floors of your last apartment, and in the newer posts, the white kitchen cabinetry of your current place.  A few wider angle shots would please the Pandagon House Troll.  smile

Comment #11: Dana  on  04/16  at  01:05 PM

I’m with Gracchus—I can’t cook to save my own life. If it’s more complicated than pouring milk on it, cutting slits in the plastic and putting it in the microwave, or spraying Pam on it and putting it in an oven, I cannot do it. But good grief, keep the food blogging coming—it bugs me that anyone would complain about ‘em at all.

Comment #12: Scott  on  04/16  at  01:08 PM

My only complaint about the food posts is that they make me hungry.  So after posting this I’m hieing off to the kitchen… wink

Comment #13: damnedyankee  on  04/16  at  01:09 PM

I haven’t even read the post yet (I did vote), but I had to chime in.  To all the haters, if you don’t like the food posts, don’t fucking read them.  It’s just like the wingnuts’ reaction to MO’s effort to get people to eat better: no one is forcing you!  Fer chissakes!

(I don’t even cook, but I love the food posts!  I’m gonna go read now…)

Comment #14: Kristen from MA  on  04/16  at  01:11 PM

Continue! Our farmers markets are just starting up and I need to be inspired to start making awesome things for myself again. Lean Cuisine gets boring after about two days, and really I can only eat so much plain chicken with raw green beans. I just lack creativity in the kitchen and need a little shove along the way, and the food blogs are great for that!

Comment #15: Hobbes  on  04/16  at  01:28 PM

We all say, “Why don’t they just skip them?” But that’s not how trolling works and we all know it. Hate = drama, drama=excitement for the troll.
We should ignore, really.

Comment #16: JulesAboutTown  on  04/16  at  01:30 PM

I like the food posts.  My wife and I are not vegetarians, but we don’t need or even want meat at every meal, we try to eat reasonably healthily, and so I appreciate recipes and suggestions for good, healthy meatless dishes.

FWIW, I do probably 95% of the cooking.  My wife is a perfectly good cook, but just isn’t nearly as into it as I am.  I do most of the food shopping as well since I actually enjoy it (usually) and she doesn’t (usually).  I do a lot of washing up as I go along and then she does the post-dinner cleanup.

Comment #17: MTS  on  04/16  at  01:30 PM

@Amanda: You seem to enjoy writing them, many people enjoy reading them, what’s not to like?

@Dana: The thing with Jessica Valenti frustrated me to no end. I always thought the whole point of feminism was to give women the ability to choose what they want to do. Whatever they choose, it’s their choice and theirs alone.

Comment #18: JThompson  on  04/16  at  01:38 PM

Do sweet potatoes really come out better baking rather than microwaving?  I hate to heat up the whole oven for two Sp’s.  And thank you, Julie McCloud, for the idea of microwaving and finishing in the pan.  They seemed to go from hard to burned if I just did it in the pan, and I’m trying to duplicate the SP/regular potato mixed hash browns with poached egg on top that a favorite restaurant does for about $8 a pop.
As for the poll, at risk of being redundant, if you don’t like the food posts, skip them.  Plenty of other stuff to read on the internet.

Comment #19: gretchen  on  04/16  at  01:46 PM

Gretchen, I like to bake them for mashing. I think they retain better moisture.  I find if i bake them all the way in the micro they can get tough.
I like to get them 1/2 to 3/4 done in the micro and then saute. I use butter AND oil or sometimes just butter because I think they caramelize better.
You could also shred them hard and poach them for a few minutes to start the cooking process?  then drain and dry (cause if they are super wet they won’t brown).

Comment #20: JulesAboutTown  on  04/16  at  01:53 PM

I don’t care for the food the food posts and don’t read them but I’d hate to see assholes win by being assholes

Comment #21: pharmakos  on  04/16  at  01:54 PM

Or blanch them I guess is more accurate turn of phrase.

Comment #22: JulesAboutTown  on  04/16  at  01:54 PM

I don’t read them myself, couldn’t care less. But, if you like writing them, and other people like reading them, I say fuck the haters, and do what you want to do.

Comment #23: Bruce from Missouri  on  04/16  at  01:59 PM

Scott wrote:

If it’s more complicated than pouring milk on it, cutting slits in the plastic and putting it in the microwave, or spraying Pam on it and putting it in an oven, I cannot do it.

Does this explain the disappearance of Pam Spaulding from these pages?

Comment #24: Dana  on  04/16  at  01:59 PM

Man, I’m beginning to feel bad for the haters.  I honestly thought there were more of them.  Shows how a little volume can create the illusion of numbers.  See: anti-contraception activists for further evidence.

Comment #25: Amanda Marcotte  on  04/16  at  02:05 PM

That sandwhich sounds delicious!  I voted yes, and I hope you keep them, but after reading the comments last week, I could understand if you didn’t.  It was stunning to me that some people seem to feel like this blog is coming to them, and you work for them or something.  But I love Food Saturdays!

Comment #26: Daisy  on  04/16  at  02:23 PM

Kathy @ 7: So true. Womanhood is basically a catch-22.

Comment #27: Amanda Marcotte  on  04/16  at  02:31 PM

I’ll add that a woman who is inarguably the *best* at what she’s doing gets another kind of haterade—-she is a “bitch” then.  Think of how much people hate Martha Stewart, who as far as I can tell is a pretty harmless lady who makes pretty things.

Comment #28: Amanda Marcotte  on  04/16  at  02:34 PM

I’m wondering if I can get my mom to like sweet potatoes with those chips.  Hmm.

Comment #29: bomberE  on  04/16  at  02:34 PM

I’m sure all the votes against continuing the food posts came from Chet, who I recall said that everything Amanda made (including sandwiches, burritos, omelets, etc) were “piles of vegetable mush” or something like that. And really, who other than Chet and maybe his mom give a fuck what he thinks?

Comment #30: Alison  on  04/16  at  02:42 PM

I typically don’t read the Food Saturday or Genius Friday posts, but I’d never complain about the fact you do them. I assume you enjoy writing them and that others enjoy reading and commenting on them. I really enjoy the political, atheist and feminist posts here, and I can easily skip a music or food post if it doesn’t interest me. I really don’t understand people who think every blog post should cater to their interests,so I voted “Keep ‘em up!” even though this may be the only time I comment on one.

Comment #31: penn  on  04/16  at  02:43 PM

Amanda:

Martha actually has a reputation for being a severely unpleasant person. I actually think she’s an excellent cook, her “Martha Stewart’s Cooking School” is one of the best learn-to-cook books I’ve ever seen, and despite her general reputation as a dilettante you have to respect anyone willing to put that much work into her cooking. However, on a personal level she has a reputation for being snooty and The Smoking Gun has shown police reports that indicate she has a rather nasty racist/classist streak.

Anyway, howsabout some New England contemporary-style seafood? Last night’s dinner was scallops baked in garlic butter (with some parsley—something about garlic and parsley) with a generous coating of panko, and baked potatoes on the side.

Comment #32: BrianX  on  04/16  at  02:45 PM

Gretchen,  Sweet potatoes really are much better roasted or baked than microwaved.  I think this is true of starchy vegetables in general.  You can cut down on the time required in the oven by cutting them up first.  Barbara Kafka’s Roasting book has several good suggestions (although watch carefully, in my oven at least they don’t take nearly as long as she says they do).  Sometimes I parboil them a little, too.  A little internet search will doubtless turn up some good ideas.

I know what you mean about heating up the oven for just a couple of potatoes.  We loved roasted veggies, so I will roast a bunch at once and use them all week.  Most roasted vegetables, especially the starchier ones, do just fine as leftovers, but you might want to eat tender vegetables like asparagus or radicchio right away.  The starchy roasted veggies also freeze pretty well.  Usually on veggie roasting days I’ll also do a main course that requires the oven.  Even if I don’t cook it at the same time as the vegetables I save the preheating time and energy.

Comment #33: MTS  on  04/16  at  03:04 PM

Have to say that I am not a vegetarian nor terribly sympathetic toward that position and do not generally get involved in the Food Saturday posts, but cannot for the life of me imagine why anyone would get hostile about them.  Keep them up and suit yourself.  The trolls can stick it where the sun don’t shine.

Comment #34: DrDick  on  04/16  at  03:13 PM

keep them up, I ignore them anyway

Comment #35: KJK::Hyperion  on  04/16  at  03:19 PM

I, personally, don’t care for the Food Saturday posts because they’re boring to me, and I was preparing to vote against them. However, after reading about what the controversy actually is, I can put up with ignoring posts that I don’t care for, and I do agree with the reasons for the food posts. I ended up voting in favor of keeping the posts.

Comment #36: Ursula  on  04/16  at  04:14 PM

I’m not a vegetarian, but quite often there will be some discussion of how to cook using an ingredient I’ve never heard of, or use more common stuff in a new way. A lot of the techniques and suggestions work for all sorts of dishes—not just vegetarian ones.

Comment #37: Mark Temporis  on  04/16  at  04:39 PM

I voted in favor of the posts.  Sometimes I read them, sometimes I don’t.  But really, if people don’t like it, they can always not read the post.  It’s amusing in the way when they start in on a food post, because I just sit there thinking, “Is someone holding a gun to your head, that you have to read it?  Because you don’t need to read it.”  I can think of other ways to pass the time if I’m bored rather than trolling a food post.

It’s the height of silliness to argue that the food posts are “nothing but mush” or the pictures are horrible.  Yes, sometimes they are not the best, and a few are unflattering and unfortunate.  But this isn’t a food porn blog, nor is it a food magazine.  Instead of commenting on it here, I just say it to myself, because it’s not the point of the food posts.  Come for the feminist politics, and it’s your choice on whether you stay for the food.

Some People’s Children, I tell ya!

Comment #38: SporkeyO  on  04/16  at  04:48 PM

Foil on the sweet potatoes?  Really?  I never use foil for potatoes, and wouldn’t expect them to add anything to sweet potatoes either.

Comment #39: wnoise  on  04/16  at  05:20 PM

Keep up the posts, definitely.  I have to say I was gone from this space for awhile, and you had started these posts while I was gone, and I was thrilled to see them, because I am a feminist who cooks, and even blogs about cooking.  Really, I cook in more a theoretical sense than a real sense, because my husband and youngest son are the family’s two biggest cooks (the son has a real gift), but I do blog about food, occasionally, mostly about how to fit foodie sensibilities into an Aldi food budget.

I struggled with the whole feminist vs. home sphere thing when I returned to blogging, and decided to split out the content between two blogs rather than lose one readership or the other, but I don’t think anyone is going to walk away from Pandagon over sweet potato chips, and if they do, there are ten more people knocking on the door to come in.  Its the advantage to being an established blogger vs.making a name for yourself.  Let the haters keep blathering impotently.  If nothing else, it’s always fun to mock them.

Comment #40: odanu  on  04/16  at  05:36 PM

despite her general reputation as a dilettante you have to respect anyone willing to put that much work into her cooking

She’s not a dilettante, she used to have a catering company after she was a stockbroker, so she’s good at cooking because of her experience in that area.

Comment #41: Dark Avenger Guardian Chow Mein  on  04/16  at  05:40 PM

In before a hater shows up to declare that the current poll results are solely a result of ACORN vote manipulation.

Comment #42: Tobasco da Gama  on  04/16  at  06:09 PM

I voted to keep the food posts. I’m not nearly as good of a cook as I hope to be someday, but sometimes I get good ideas from you, and it’s definitely de-mystified cooking. I’m also a vegetarian so I appreciate the type of foods you post about. Thanks for writing these despite the haters.

Comment #43: reverie  on  04/16  at  06:28 PM

#42:

Indeed you’re correct, at least about the catering. It’s the rest of her schtick that makes her look that way.

Comment #44: BrianX  on  04/16  at  08:28 PM

Oh, and it should go without saying, I voted to keep the food posts. I don’t even see the point of the trolls being there to begin with, and I don’t always come into a thread just to beat on trolls. Now maybe I’m biased because of my long interest in cooking, but as long as the food in question is being presented as it is, not trumped up like some Frito-Lay astroturfer trying to get me to use Doritos* in my next batch of nachos, there’s really no point to arguing and nitpicking.

Now I’m saying this as someone with a tendency to want to one-up people myself, so I think I know what they’re on about. That doesn’t mean I have to like it. Fora like the food threads are for people to learn from each other, and that doesn’t happen when the thugs are not only harassing the host, but accusing people of defending her of bootlicking/whiteknighting.

*Hate Doritos. Hate them, hate them, hate them.

Comment #45: BrianX  on  04/16  at  09:05 PM

Someone actually suggested making nachos out of doritos? They already have cheese on them, what’s the fucking point?
Back on topic, most of these recipes aren’t really my thing, but I still voted “keep it” because I figure if Amanda likes writing about it, why the hell not?

Comment #46: DataSnake  on  04/16  at  09:25 PM

I’ve not been keeping up with the food posts, but I like them.

And they’re informative. for example, I’ve learned that I’m evidently a freak for the way I cook rice (at least judging by the discussion thereof in the last thread). but dammit if i’ll change my heretical method, i like rice made my way :-p

Comment #47: jadehawk  on  04/16  at  11:45 PM

Keep the food posts!

Comment #48: teac  on  04/16  at  11:47 PM

I like Food Saturdays but not nearly so much as Genius Ten. Madame thanks for all the good work in this blog and hope you did well bowling. Keep on bol’em over!

Comment #49: pion  on  04/17  at  12:04 AM

jadehawk, if the rice is cooked the way you like it, that’s how you should cook it, even if my Cantonese-Scottish great-aunt would throw up her hands at your recipe.

What is heretical about the way you make it?  Do you use coconut milk?  Do you taunt the dry grains before you cook them?

Comment #50: Dark Avenger Guardian Chow Mein  on  04/17  at  12:04 AM

About your black bean sauce ... In Mexico they make enfrijoladas, which are like enchiladas, except instead of your tortillas and filling being smothered in chile sauce, it’s smothered in a thin, but flavorful bean sauce. It’s good. Just another idea ...


I voted for the food posts. Fuck the haters. It’s your blog.

Comment #51: chingona  on  04/17  at  01:06 AM

A question for the crowd, if I may ... Does anyone have a vegan cookbook they like? I want something that isn’t too fussy for weeknight cooking and doesn’t take up a ton of space trying to convince me of the politics of it.

Comment #52: chingona  on  04/17  at  01:11 AM

I find the food posts generally inspiring for a number of reasons. If I can be allowed a token hate, the actual food photography is often less than inspiring, so maybe you could get some of those reflective umbrellas and stuff? I’m pretty good with Photoshop if, you know, you need some help or something…

Comment #53: Kerry_M  on  04/17  at  01:31 AM

#8 Whole Foods usually carries celeriac if that’s an option. Probably my fave celeriac recipe is celeriac remoulade, which is a fancy way of saying cole slaw made with celeriac instead of cabbage. Also one of my favorite smells is freshly cut celeriac, but I’m a little weird that way. I wax poetic about the smell of parsnips too.

#52 Recently enamored of DIY enchilada sauce, I shall have to try bean variation.

And this is also why I like the food posts. I realize some people have no interest in cooking, but I thrive on new inspirations and ideas, and cooking is a great way to keep rethinking the possible.

Comment #54: Kerry_M  on  04/17  at  01:47 AM

@ chingona
Have you tried one of the vegan/vegetarian magazines?  I just pulled out an old copy of Vegetarian Times - needed cook times for aduki beans.  The advantage of the mags is you get new recipes every month, usually seasonal, they don’t take up much room, if they’re not good or you’re too busy that month - toss or don’t buy. And they’re cheap-compared to a cookbook.

Comment #55: phylosopher  on  04/17  at  03:31 AM

What is heretical about the way you make it?  Do you use coconut milk?  Do you taunt the dry grains before you cook them?

lol, nothing so interestingly exotic. It’s just that I simply cook the stuff almost the same way one would cook pasta: throw into a pot of salted boiling water, stir occasionally to make sure it doesn’t clump, strain when halfway between “al dente” and mushy, rinse off starchy goo, serve.

It never occurred to me that that’s the “wrong” way of doing it until a roommate started making fun of me for straining the rice, and now I learn you’re not supposed to stir the rice either :-p

Comment #56: jadehawk  on  04/17  at  04:05 AM

Wow, really?  I admit I very rarely read the comments, and by now I should expect stupidity in every form in every situation, but I don’t.  When I’m at peace with myself, I have this optimistic but illogical assumption that everyone else is at peace too.  But wow, okay, so being self-sufficient and good at something = anti-feminist.  Gotcha.  When will the stupidity end!

Comment #57: alicefairy  on  04/17  at  05:11 AM

Chet. Chet. Chet.

When we do disagree with Amanda you don’t seem to notice.  Or care. And you also don’t seem to fathom that some of us might actually realio and trulio agree or feel fond/attracted to her recipes. Like, I could care less about her sandwiches. Most of them don’t appeal to me at all. Some of the stir fry recipes do though and because I use a CSA myself I take her STRUCTURAL ideas and adapt them to MY OWN cooking. Which I post on FB.

The issue we “bootlickers” are boggled by is why it matters to the few folks who come on to the thread to complain.  You just said you don’t care about the food or the thread. You come on just to stir the pot a bit because you are annoyed with how we are behaving. If we are bootlicking and you find it annoying, why keep pointing it out?

For instance here? Why comment?  I think it’s because you enjoy feeling engaged by the drama. Nothing more and nothing less. Which is why we should ignore you and your comments just as YOU should ignore our “fawning”  and these posts you find so predictable.

YOU are JUST as predictable as the posts, Chet. You don’t seem to be able to exist without them.

And if you can? Then go do that and leave us to be in the predictable licking of the boots and fawning of the commetariat in peace without you.

Comment #58: JulesAboutTown  on  04/17  at  01:48 PM

I will say though, that as someone who has spent time in both corporate meetings filled with LA type yes men as well as in actual bdsm scenes that involved actual bootlicking, what has been going on here in the threads is not anything remotely akin to bootlicking. 
Agreeing and some flattery? Sure.
Bootlicking and toadying? No.

Comment #59: JulesAboutTown  on  04/17  at  01:58 PM

I know it really pisses me off when other people like things I don’t like. I just have to remind them how much they suck, so they don’t start thinking otherwise.

Comment #60: junk science  on  04/17  at  02:04 PM

I don’t mind the food posts—it’s Amanda’s blog, those are her interests, and I’m not forced to read them.

What I do object to is if and when the discussion turns to a bashing of those who don’t enjoy cooking, as though there is something wrong with us and if we all just had more time / knowledge / refined palates, we’d care.  Some of us don’t.  And that’s cool.  Some of us want fresh new tastes at every meal - others of us are fine with grilled chicken, green beans, and leftovers (or even worse - oatmeal from McD’s).  That’s cool.  It’s a big world out there, room for all of us.

Comment #61: Susanne  on  04/17  at  02:53 PM

Susanne:

As a general rule, the “bashing” seems to be more towards people who claim Amanda doesn’t do it the way they expect.

Chet:

Then GET THE FUCK OUT. If you don’t care about the food, you don’t belong in this thread. Simple as that.

Comment #62: BrianX  on  04/17  at  03:11 PM

Oh, yes we will shit-talk you, Chet, because all you do here is misinterpret, concern-troll, and in general act like an elitist snotbag. As I said in the last saturday thread, you’re nothing but a heckler, ruining the show for everyone else. Your shit clutters the thread, and we have to wade through it every time we want to read this; you sound like a libertarian graffiti artist complaining that if they didn’t want their wall tagged, they shouldn’t have a building in front of your spraycan. GET OUT.

Comment #63: BrianX  on  04/17  at  04:27 PM

We can expect you not to come back. There is no “defense” per se. This is a blog, with most of us using less than our real names. It’s not like we are shit talking you in an interview for work. We don’t want you cluttering up a post that you actually, by your own word, don’t care about cause as BrianX says, it just muddles up our read.

And tofu can be prepared deliciously in many ways Chet, and yes marinated in BBQ sauce and either roasted or sauteed or yes grilled is one of those ways.  That you don’t find it appealing does not mean others don’t find it absolutely delicious. So that’s just a silly thing to complain about, in my opinion. That I might enjoy bbqd tofu or some other variety of tofu does not make me a sycophant, it makes me someone who likes tofu. 

But even if Amanda was doing posts about something I hate….like hard boiled eggs roasted in mustard and horseradish covered in blue cheese, I still wouldn’t be all like AMANDA’s FOOD POSTS SUCK.

I’d just ignore it.  Anyway, I’m finished disregarding my own advise wink Bye bye bye…....

Comment #64: JulesAboutTown  on  04/17  at  04:37 PM

Chet, a “hater” is someone who is prone to jealousy.  The term has nothing to do with mental illness, AFAIK.

Comment #65: mtthw  on  04/17  at  06:32 PM

So… I bought a book last night, Charcuterie by Michael Ruhlman and Brian Polcyn. Although I think quite highly of Ruhlman (Ratio should be required reading for anyone who wants to learn to cook without recipes), I’m not all that well-versed in his catalog, so I wasn’t aware of it. What I like about it is how, like much of his other work, it takes a scientific approach to curing meat.

Anyway, the reason I make note of it is that Ruhlman and Polcyn tackle the issue of nitrites head on—it seems that the tradeoff is a small risk of cancer vs a large risk of botulism. Not all of the recipes use nitrates or nitrites (the country ham, for example—prosciutto di Parma, among others, use only salt), but for a touchy issue, it handles it quite well.

Chet:

Lacking in self-awareness there, are you? It hit me after I posted my last comment to you—you’re acting like an abusive boyfriend. You (and several others who are almost, but not quite, as assholish as you) have made it your mission to… what? Shut Amanda up about cooking? Because that’s the only possible outcome of what you’re doing. There’s no high-mindedness to what you’re doing—it’s just cheap-shit bullying. Considering the context (a liberal/feminist blog), you’re under suspicion of hardcore mansplaining too. All the hairsplitting and self-justification doesn’t make you anything other than someone who’s trying to spoil everyone else’s fun.

Comment #66: BrianX  on  04/17  at  11:01 PM

Chet: if you really don’t care why don’t you stop making stupid comments? Your continued presence proves that, whatever you might claim, you do care.

I can be as pedantic as the next person, it bothers me when people say ‘one dice’ because ‘dice’ is plural, and ‘die’ is singular. But do I go around to role playing forums or blogs and correct people on their usage? No, because that would be acting like a jerk. I do my best not to be a jerk, though like everyone I do sometimes cross into jerk territory, especially when in a bad mood.

I’m not a vegetarian, and can’t see myself becoming one, but I do love good cooking whether it contains dead animal flesh or not!

I would say the pictures look like good, ordinary food. I much prefer them to dressed up stuff that probably isn’t even edible.

Comment #67: Pope Thorne of Rose  on  04/18  at  01:26 AM

wnoise @ 40: I’ve done sweet potatoes in foil, but it was to cut down on the mess as they will sometimes drip (and then burn surup to a crisp or goo, possibly smoke, etc).

Is there a way we could have a side link to put everyone’s recipe suggestions so we can find them instead of slogging through all the food posts for where was that idea for roasted squash?  If not easily, please disregard.

Comment #68: helen w. h.  on  04/18  at  04:40 PM

Amanda, maybe it would be a good idea to have an additional rule for food post comments: “If you wouldn’t say it as my dinner guest, don’t say it here”.

I may be the last regular to get the memo on that particular unwritten rule, for which I apologize, but maybe making it an explicit rule rather than an unwritten one would help avoid problems in the future with non-regular readers.

Comment #69: kristin  on  04/18  at  07:32 PM

Actually, in defense of Chet, I was the one who said that the food typically looked like piles of goo (not mush). And, contrary to expectations, I’d like to see the food posts continue. See, contrary to Amanda’s “if you dislike what I do, you must have no talent at it and are just jealous” theory, I cook a lot, and read a lot about cooking, and find the subject fascinating. But, as Chet noted, pouring BBQ sauce on something and calling it barbecue while claiming it’s haute cuisine is a bit offensive: you’re being loose with the terminology, and bombastically ignorant and obnoxious. And when someone comes in and *politely*, as Chet did originally, say that paella is a specific dish involving rice for example, attacking them and saying “pff, Spanish people, what do they know? Paella is whatever *I* say it is” is a bit presumptuous and rude to people who actually grew up there or speak the language.

My point is, I’d be interested in seeing Amanda occasionally not boil a vegetable until it’s gray. Nice crunchy salads, for example, can be quite vegan and yet not goo. And it would be nice if people wouldn’t flip their shit and call me an abusive fuckhead when I do. I mean, I haven’t called anyone any names.

Comment #70: Gavel Down  on  04/18  at  07:34 PM

Correction - #75 was me, not Gavel. That’s the problem with two of us sharing one computer and silly me not checking who was logged in.

Comment #71: Theaetetus  on  04/18  at  07:39 PM

Theaetetus:

I don’t know what to say in your case, but Chet is known to have, um, issues on a semi-regular basis. The flamage doesn’t happen in a vacuum, so it’s kind of fallacious to treat it strictly as an isolated incident.

Comment #72: BrianX  on  04/18  at  08:42 PM

Well, Chet is, as Chet does, but he doesn’t come off badly in this thread.

Comment #73: Theaetetus  on  04/18  at  09:30 PM

I found this interesting from the Daily Beast about Ms. Martha:

“Martha Stewart’s cooking and craft-making skills helped her build a business that has made her one of the richest women in America. Yet she may owe her culinary smarts to genetics. Stewart’s father had the ability to walk into a kitchen, smell what was cooking or baking, identify the ingredient, and later bake or cook the same dish. Stewart often stayed up to the wee hours of the morning with her father, eating onion sandwiches as they played Scrabble and chatted.”

Theaeteus, I think if you or anyone else here have any issues with what Amanda writes here, the best thing to do is use the system on this blog to give her a private message about it.

You then forgo the possibility of sounding like a privileged entitled ass to all and sundry in your efforts to provide what you may think is insightful feedback.

I find the most feminist to do with someone who has an issue is to treat them like an adult, worthy or respect and dignity in public, candid and unsparing in private.

Try it sometime.

Comment #74: Dark Avenger Guardian Chow Mein  on  04/18  at  09:32 PM

<blockquote>My point is, I

Comment #75: kristin  on  04/18  at  09:46 PM

Don’t flatter yourself, Chet. (BTW, I’ve had arrogant shitheads play that card on me before. I’m immune to it by now.) You wouldn’t be on the radar at all if you weren’t here being an abusive asshole.

Comment #76: BrianX  on  04/18  at  10:38 PM

Now assuming solidity in my freezer: two large containers of bolognese sauce…

Comment #77: BrianX  on  04/18  at  10:46 PM

Theaetetus,

If you’ll indulge me . . . These Food Saturdays posts morphed into a tagged weekly CSA post and were, in general, about how Amanda cooked whatever she received in her CSA basket, supplemented by whatever she picked up at the farmers’ markets. The posts are about cooking (among other things) and about her process of learning to cook and like her CSA produce. The posts are not, in general, about how to put together a salad out of crunchy green leafies.

The post in which you described Amanda’s food in her photos as indifferent piles of goo was about the winter vegetables she had on hand and how she cooked them, in keeping with the Food Saturdays theme. The post was even titled, “Food Saturdays: Still Winter Veggies Edition.” In that post she described her cooking methods - she roasted some things, boiled others (briefly), made soup, made hummus, and she even made sandwiches with beets and fresh cukes.

Now, this is what she set out to do, quoted from her “CSA Week #1” post:

<blockquote>With all the food blogging I

Comment #78: teac  on  04/19  at  12:00 AM

chet, you have never made a rational or logical comment here. everything sounds like toddler ranting and raving, and everything is a freakout. go get a hobby.

Comment #79: chibi  on  04/19  at  12:18 AM

chet, please FOAD.

Comment #80: Dark Avenger Guardian Chow Mein  on  04/19  at  10:55 AM

I am not a vegetarian, but I find the food posts interesting. Certainly I don’t eat meat at every meal and have actually been eating a lot less over the past couple of years, but it is often difficult for long time meat eaters to find adequate substitutes beyond the crappy alternatives at most grocery stores. Probably more a failure of my imagination to conceive of meals without meat sometimes. So Amanda’s posts have helped me think more widely about food and constructing healthy meals.
As for the PLT though, I dunno. I’ve had a thing against sweet potatoes for years. Just didn’t like ‘em. But Ms. round guy is a huge fan, so in the interest of compromise I decided to find some ways I could eat them (I do the bulk of the cooking so she has to speak up if I’m not meeting her food interests).
I did try some sweet potatoes in with a curry recently (replacing regular potatoes) and found they contrasted nicely with the heat of the curry.
A victory for an open mind, but I’m still on the fence about replacing bacon with sweet potatoes. But at least I’m willing to contemplate it.
So, the short version of this is: I almost never comment here, but I hope you continue with the food posts as you really seem to enjoy them and they probably have an influence on more people than you know.

Comment #81: round guy  on  04/19  at  09:25 PM

helen, there is a search box at the top right-hand corner of the blog, and using it and the parameters “roasted squash”, I found this from CSA Week 14:

<blockquote>I took advantage of a lazy Sunday afternoon to prep ingredients for use later in the week, so that my cooking time on busier days was cut down to a minimum.  I decided to cook up everything that I

Comment #82: Dark Avenger Guardian Chow Mein  on  04/20  at  10:45 AM

Even if it was a do it yourself “add your recipe suggestions here” sort of constantly current thread thing, that would be nice.  If the search is the best we get, it’ll do.  Like I said, disregard if too much of a pain.

Comment #83: helen w. h.  on  04/20  at  01:56 PM

round guy: I too am skeptical that sweet potatoes could stand in for bacon deliciousness, but they sure are good *with* bacon. Adding them instead of substituting still gives you all that yellow-orange-vegetable goodness.

We have this big bag of them that I’m trying to use up. I used some in chili the other night and my picky kids thought it was great.

Comment #84: kristin  on  04/20  at  04:12 PM

This whole post makes me SO HUNGRY for sweet potatoes! Yum.
Thanks Amanda!

Comment #85: Danica Lefse Queen  on  04/20  at  11:38 PM

Sweet potatoes and hard rind squash can both be used in curry.  I think I’ve mentioned the squash before.

Comment #86: helen w. h.  on  04/21  at  08:23 AM

Also, I have sweet potato uses running through my head now - my great grandmother’s sweet potato pie, my husband’s sweet potato latkes, Sweet potato fries and thick cut chips and hashbrowns served with french toast and….

Comment #87: helen w. h.  on  04/21  at  08:26 AM
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