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Freepers freak as the Homosexual Agenda scores wins in Vermont and D.C.

Yet another state falls prey to the homosexualists, as the Vermont Legislature voted to override the veto of a marriage equality bill by Gov. Jim Douglas today. Between Iowa, Vermont, and Washington, DC (its Council voted today to recognize same-sex marriages from other states), the Sodomy Squadron is well on its way to completing its mission to destroy heterosexual marriage. Run for the hills…they are ready to write off New England and move out West and South…


Actual Freeper Quotes

Well, add Vermont to the list of useless states I won’t spend any money in again.

Wouldn’t expect anything different from Vermont. Too bad such a beautiful state has to be infected with socialists.

not surprising the homo’s have been invading that state for years. They now Will move their money to other states and pick those states off

ME, NH,NY, NJ, RI,IL,Ohio, WA,OR,CO, all take note

homo’s coming to a state near you

no matter how may states they get it in which will never be mine then AI along with my kids will never accept them as married nor are they normal

I would like to see polygimists get their marriage in those states now
hey why not, lets see if the liberals and homo’s think that religious group should have their marriage and so called rights

This is essentially awful, but the one silver lining is that this calumny was done by a legislature which—presumably—reflects the wishes of its constitutents, and not some unelected black-robed mullahs on the VT Supreme Court. From what I understand of the political demographics of the “Green Mountain” state, this is probably popular with most Vermonters. Pity.

Massachusetts, Connecticut, Iowa and Vermont ain’t exactly the creme of the crop. Three of them you’d expect this BS from and the other one had the general will of their people denied by, yet again; judges.

shame that VT was once the most conservative state in the union but it comes a time when those few conservatives left have to say , time to move out and move on

my wife got out of MA and now we are down here in the south we make our votes count, our state gets our money and it does not go to liberal agenda’s and we helped to get the constitutional change to the FL state constitution.

infact get all conservatives out of the New England area and if one million people moved out and moved south then the laws can be changed for ever to stop liberals

CA, is lost so two million conservatives move out to CO,NM,AZ and it changes the game and political landscape not to mention who would now pay for their liberal agenda’s

This looks like the MO of the gay marriage activists:
1. Have gay marriage put on the ballot.
2. Ignore the results if they don’t go your way, throw a fit.
3. Take your case to the legislature, where it’s legalized anyway. Screw the people!
4. Gay marriage legalized. Those silly citizens, thinking they had a say… Checkmate!


notice now one state has voted FOR homo’s to be married. that is because the majority of folk do not think it is normal for a man to poke another man up the arse or a woman wear a strap on pretending to be a woman. not normal and not natural, so for those homo’s reading this. you are certainly not accepted nor are you normal, you can pretend you are married but you are far from the truth. If what you do is your business then stop the freak parades, stop telling us that you like to poke men up the arse or wear a strap on, stop telling us how you have special rights when you clearly do not according to the constitution

More flailing below the fold.


Actual Freeper Quotes

EVERY POLIGIMIST NOW SHOULD BE GETTING THEIR MARRAGE LEGALISED AS SHOULD THE WHACK JOBS WHO WANT TO MARRY THEIR DOG

Will you homo’s back that marriage and say it is their right. Only until those groups do this then people will wake up and say enough is enough, one man and woman is marriage , nothing else is close to marriage

for the record to you homo’s I ma not old nor am I religious, I just think you are mentally perverted and sick and guess what so does most folk so stop trying to say it is only religious types against you

we are down here in the south I live in Louisiana in a conservative area and I can’t imagine stomaching was those liberal/socialistic states spew out. I would drown in my own vomit (sorry to be so graphic) if I had to live in any of these states. It is unfortunate because these states are truly beautiful but only in a scenic sense.

for years liberals, aging hippies and homo’s moved tot he state as they were outcasts but then they started to get a foot hold of the state and now are in charge of it.

Believe it or not but on a couple of homo sites they actually tell homo’s where to move and whom to vote for so the agenda can be pushed. Once it has been done then they move on

Look at the MA homo’s who first got married, they moved to other states and did tings like well I want a divorce you have to recognise my marriage or we are here in this new state and we want benefits

It is not marriage they want but it is their agenda tom be accepted and pushed onto the masses

Like I said the only way people will now wake up is for every kind of group to use the same argument for their marriage to be legal. Every argument the homo’s used can be used for other groups and the judges cannot by rights stop their kind of marriage.

There is no comparison between Iowa and the other three states. Sixty-two percent of Iowans oppose gay marriage. And, what happened in that state is nothing short of tyrannical.

This is all according to the “New England Project” that the gays launched years ago as a springboard to national homo recognition. Yep. Look for Maine, Rhode Island and New Hampshire to turn soon. New Hampshire is heartbreaking to me… NH was pretty solid a Red State not that long ago, but I think it’s gone forever, no turning back. Too many Massachusetts voters migrated to NH (to escape high taxes no less), and have infected the state like a cancer.

It’s only a matter of time that hubby and I are outta Connecticut for good. CT going gay was like the final nail in the coffin… the people had no vote over it, one activist judge decided it was “time to get with the times”. The high taxes are killing us as well. Just a matter of time…

The next step, BTW, is a federal lawsuit under the “full faith and credit” clause to require all states to recognize the gay marriages performed in those states where it is legal.

And that’s why we need a constitutional amendment to ban same-sex “marriage.” Personally, I’d be willing to make a deal with the ‘rats in congress to the effect “we’ll let you put FOCA in the constitution if you give us a “one man/one woman marriage amendment”. I think the ‘rats would be happy to throw the pooves under the bus for a deal like that. Sure, it sucks having FOCA enshrined in the Constitution, but abortion is a fait accomplit—even if Roe v. Wade went the other way it still would be (with just a few more limitations). Same-sex “marriage” is far more corrosive to the cohesivenss of the family structure than anything else imaginable.

NOW can we clearly state the Federal Marriage Amendment is required. Full Faith and Credit attacks are now a certaintly and it only takes ONE kook judge to force this on the whole country.

You are wrong. The Full Faith and Credit Clause has never permitted one state to extend it’s laws to the rest of the nation (See Nevada v. Hall.) Moreover, the Constitution specifically gives CONGRESS the right regulate under the Clause (which it has done so with the Defense of Marriage Act.)

Finally, there is a longstanding recognized public policy exception to the Full Faith and Credit Clause. There is a reason that the homosexual activists have desperately kept their cases out of Federal Court. They know that they will lose.

You say we need an amendment.

I need a billion dollar bailout.

My wish is just about as likely to be fulfilled as yours.

When we can’t even elect a majority in Congress, how in the h*ll are we going to get an amendment passed, something at least 10x more difficult?

Simply boycott the states that allow the deviants to gain power over the asylum.

 

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Posted by Pam Spaulding on 03:33 PM • (98) Comments

*******happydance********

Can has more states plz?  I wonder if VT would have gotten that override vote if Iowa hadn’t tipped?

Comment #1: Ms Kate  on  04/07  at  03:40 PM

We’ll get CA back where it belongs, hang on. We’ll get a do-over on 8, and take it seriously this time.

Comment #2: Llelldorin  on  04/07  at  03:42 PM

I love the asses in Louisiana talking about how their taxes are lower in their redstate cesspool.

Where the fuck would you red staters be if you didn’t have blue state taxes propping you up?

Does this mean they’re going Galt on us?

Comment #3: Caren-Sun-blocking Creator of Animorphic Pancakes  on  04/07  at  03:45 PM

Hopefully the Supreme Court justices in CA are paying attention…

Comment #4: Pam Spaulding  on  04/07  at  03:47 PM

Poor widdel fweepers. FUCK EM ALL!!!!!!!!!!!!

Winning can be sort of fun.

Comment #5: MAJeff, the God of Biscuits  on  04/07  at  03:47 PM

The more Freepers concentrate in South Carolina, the better we can isolate the disease.

Comment #6: Punditus Maximus  on  04/07  at  03:48 PM

I honestly do not understand the hate. Can’t get my head around it.

Anyway, way to go Vermont!!

Comment #7: Mark  on  04/07  at  03:51 PM

Arse?  There’s this weird faux British thing among freepers, I’ve seen it before.

Comment #8: Billingham  on  04/07  at  03:53 PM

“shame that VT was once the most conservative state in the union but it comes a time when those few conservatives left have to say , time to move out and move on”

This comment points up one of the problems the Reichwing has.  There are conservatives, people who like to chew change before swallowing it but are otherwise intelligent and amenable to progress at some level, and “Conservatives™” who are insane people who define themselves almost entirely by what they are not: “liberal”...which is itself defined (in circular logic) as “not Conservative™”.

Many Conservatives™ don’t seem to have entered the 19th Century yet, let alone the 21st.  They are in no position to criticism what anyone else would understand is plain, old-fashioned conservative thinking…

Comment #9: MikeEss  on  04/07  at  03:54 PM

One begins to wonder.  Where will the last enclave of Freeperdom be?  As greater and greater swaths of America become Palin’s “not the REAL America” perhaps we should publish weekly maps of the the shrinking “real” parts. 

What will this enclave look like, the world’s biggest trailer park?  Will it have palisades around it.  Just askin’.

Comment #10: Magis  on  04/07  at  03:56 PM

A few years back, when VT first approved civil unions, some signs sprouted up and bumperstickers appeared with the slogan “Take Vermont Back”.  The idea was that things had changed and some bigots didn’t like it.

Shortly thereafter, there were some more signs and some more stickers of a similar graphic design, only these read “Take Vermont Forward”.

We now know who won that round.

Comment #11: Ms Kate  on  04/07  at  04:01 PM

“Where will the last enclave of Freeperdom be?”

Wherever it is, I hope we can build a strong fence around it.

Escape From New York is a good model…

Comment #12: MikeEss  on  04/07  at  04:01 PM

Believe it or not but on a couple of homo sites they actually tell homo’s where to move and whom to vote for so the agenda can be pushed.

Nothing religious institutions haven’t been doing for years, all for the conservative cause.  Selective perception would amuse me if it wasn’t so destructive. 

Happy as hell for Vermonters today.

Comment #13: Ranylt  on  04/07  at  04:02 PM

Magis, I wouldn’t be hard on trailer parks - I grew up in them and they are typically enclaves of people who work hard and are striving for a better life.

I suspect that the freepers would retreat to their own free-market eden, complete with high earthen walls.  These walls would not be maintained by any central government structure or taxes, and would fall in from time to time and leak all the resulting hog waste and pollution into the enlightened world until our tax dollars paid for their repair.

Comment #14: Ms Kate  on  04/07  at  04:05 PM

LEARN CORRECT APOSTROPHE USE!!!!!!!!!

pant…pant…pant…

Ahem, I had to get that out there before my head exploded from grammar abuse.

Great job Vermont! This gives me a bit of hope for repealing Prop 8 and DOMA.

Comment #15: HooksInMyHead  on  04/07  at  04:09 PM

The only thing that was FAIL about any of this was the governor’s ridiculous excuse for a veto.

“I’m vetoing this because it won’t give rights to gays in ALL states nor at the federal level.”

Sure. That’s a great reason to veto a bill. What a schmuck. I also liked his moaning that they should be concentrating on business right now. Someone write a nice Op Ed, please, about how much extra business the wedding industry in Vermont is about to get.

Comment #16: Essie Elephant  on  04/07  at  04:29 PM

Edited for accuracy..:

This looks like the MO of the [Freepers]:
1. Have [George W. Bush] put on the ballot.
2. Ignore the results if they don’t go your way, throw a fit.
3. Take your case to the [Supreme Court], where [he’s made President] anyway. Screw the people!
4. [George W. Bush elected]. Those silly citizens, thinking they had a say… Checkmate!

Comment #17: Sam McIntosh  on  04/07  at  04:39 PM

Activist liberal legislators, legislating from the legislature?

/happydance

Comment #18: jericho  on  04/07  at  04:41 PM

Yay Vermont! I hope these prophecies of having SSM trickle down to Rhode Island, my current home, are true. I know there’s been a legislative push for it, but since we (somehow) have a Republican governor, it might not happen until his term runs out.

Comment #19: Jerry Vinokurov  on  04/07  at  04:54 PM

How cool would it be if these folks actually left us alone? There’s a lot of happiness here in Vermont today, and a lot of bigoted nonsense as well. We’d all be better off without their brand of intolerance.

Can anyone on that Freeper site spell? Anyone?

Comment #20: wolfhound  on  04/07  at  05:01 PM

Poor HooksinyourHead.  Was it the “homo’s” non-possessive?  It was painful looking at that.

It’s a bit interesting how they are talking about moving away.  Has the fact that they are a minority finally sunk it?

But if the Midwest can fall, where is it safe to be a bigot?

I know they don’t appreciate how much the rest of us would enjoy their absence.

Comment #21: Caren-Sun-blocking Creator of Animorphic Pancakes  on  04/07  at  05:10 PM

*Looks at CA*

I can imagine, Pam, that they are paying attention as CA has a *reputation* for being progressive and if anything they’ll at least want to keep that (and also keep the money they so desperately need in the state).

Congrats to Vermont and DC!

Comment #22: UltraMagnus  on  04/07  at  05:14 PM

APOSTROPHE = APPOPLECTIC + CATASTROPHE?

Comment #23: Ms Kate  on  04/07  at  05:14 PM

In addition to fighting a war against gays and lesbians, these people are also clearly fighting a war against grammar and spelling.

Comment #24: jabartlett  on  04/07  at  05:18 PM

I like how they use the word “agenda” like it’s a synonym for “evil”.  Personal I think they should just drop the pretext; calling it the “gay and liberal evil” far more accurately reveals their true opinions on the matter.

Comment #25: hypatia  on  04/07  at  05:29 PM

In addition to fighting a war against gays and lesbians, these people are also clearly fighting a war against grammar and spelling.

Har.  That war is being fought hard on college campuses as well!  I just wrote the same comment over 20 times on a stack of papers today: “possessive apostrophes aren’t optional.”  The white flag is just about to go up <face plant>.

Comment #26: Ranylt  on  04/07  at  05:44 PM

jabartlett:

. . these people are also clearly fighting a war against grammar and spelling.

Never mind the war against intelligence, learning, empathy . .

Comment #27: idiosynchronic  on  04/07  at  05:50 PM

You guys didn’t mention they’re fighting a war against reality itself…

Comment #28: MikeEss  on  04/07  at  05:54 PM

Ranylt:

I just wrote the same comment over 20 times on a stack of papers today: “possessive apostrophes aren’t optional.” The white flag is just about to go up <face plant>.

  So that my college IT support department has just abandoned any pretense of grammar in it’s internal support documentation shouldn’t surprise you then.  It’s being written by 50-some undergrads.  I’m not a language dominatrix but it makes even my eyes bleed.

Comment #29: idiosynchronic  on  04/07  at  05:55 PM

Mmmmm, yummy tears.

Comment #30: Thlayli  on  04/07  at  05:59 PM

. . these people are also clearly fighting a war against grammar and spelling.

They don’t know how much firepower that Kelsey and Tori are packing!

Comment #31: Ms Kate  on  04/07  at  06:03 PM

I think this is why I couldn’t become a rightwinger, even if I were rich. Maintaining my power by throwing red meat to this crowd would just be too demeaning.

Comment #32: No One of Consequence  on  04/07  at  06:21 PM

So that my college IT support department has just abandoned any pretense of grammar in it’s internal support documentation shouldn’t surprise you then.

Possessive apostrophes are verboten in one case.  It’s “its” for the above.

Comment #33: Phoenician in a time of Romans  on  04/07  at  06:25 PM

Ms. Kate:

My apologies, that was unfeeling and uncalled for.

Comment #34: Magis  on  04/07  at  06:27 PM

Massachusetts, Connecticut, Iowa and Vermont ain’t exactly the creme of the crop.

I will cackle with glee when it will take less time to list the states WITHOUT marriage equality than it will take to list the ones with it, and then watch as freeper X runs out of states he can live in without his brain exploding.

Welcome to the team, Vermont.  Nicely done.  smile

Comment #35: deep6  on  04/07  at  06:30 PM

“Possessive apostrophes are verboten in one case.  It’s “its” for the above.”

Be careful, PiaToR, the surest way to get caught making a grammar mistake is to call somebody else on theirs…

(is it “theirs” or “their’s”?...I’m proving my own point, aren’t I…?)

Comment #36: MikeEss  on  04/07  at  06:40 PM

Well at least those Freepers will be glad to know that the governor of Vermont can now solve Vermont’s economic problems now that this hideous distraction is out of the way.

Comment #37: 3letterjon  on  04/07  at  06:42 PM

MikeEss,

“Their” is already possessive.  So it just becomes plural.  My biggest pet peeve (circa 4/7/09) is those who use “loose” when they mean “lose”.  Although loosing one’s mind sometimes seems a good thing to do, it’s more common to suggest that someone actually lost it.

Comment #38: 3letterjon  on  04/07  at  06:45 PM

Well, add Vermont to the list of useless states I won’t spend any money in again.

And this is some big threat how exactly?
I’ve never spent money in Mississippi, Louisiana and Alabama and yet those states still suck balls IMHO. (If you’re from there I don’t mean that you suck personally) But do they CARE that I’m not spending money there. Hells no. But then I’m not full of my own self importance so perhaps that’s the difference.

Also- major horrible spelling LOLZ.

Comment #39: Danica Lefse Queen  on  04/07  at  06:54 PM

stop the freak parades, stop telling us that you like to poke men up the arse or wear a strap on

My, my…someone’s been watching a bit too much gay porn.  Not that there’s anything wrong with that, but still…

I love how someone who professes to hate hearing about gay sex goes out of his way to describe (his conception of) gay sex not once, but twice in the same post.

Comment #40: Captain Bathrobe  on  04/07  at  07:06 PM

And someone with artistic talent (not me) absolutely must do a comic book series about the Sodomy Squadron!

Comment #41: Captain Bathrobe  on  04/07  at  07:09 PM

Freepers, wingnuts and fundies: still more obsessed with the minutiae of anal sex than any gay man.

Comment #42: pseudonymous in nc  on  04/07  at  07:10 PM

Thanks pseudonymous, you just made me gsnort coffee all over my monitor.

Comment #43: HooksInMyHead  on  04/07  at  07:19 PM

I just wrote the same comment over 20 times on a stack of papers today: “possessive apostrophes aren’t optional.” The white flag is just about to go up <face plant>.

And then they’re to whinge about the fact that you took off for grammar and spelling!  Why can’t we just write papers!?  Why can’t you just grade on the topic?!

I used to love taking DRs b/c I knew I’d be in class with EEs who could no longer put sentences together sensibly or in the active voice.  I could throw together a slop essay in just a couple hours before class and still get at least a B b/c at least the TAs could read my papers without their brains going all splodey.

Comment #44: Caren-Sun-blocking Creator of Animorphic Pancakes  on  04/07  at  07:21 PM

Massachusetts, Connecticut, Iowa and Vermont ain’t exactly the creme of the crop.

I’m loving the French in this sentence.

Comment #45: Alex, FCD  on  04/07  at  07:21 PM

What secrets will Captain Sodomy and the Sodomy Squadron unearth when they open. . . The Backdoor of Fate?! And can those secrets protect him from Koytus and his new weapon—the Interruptus!?

Comment #46: No One of Consequence  on  04/07  at  07:34 PM

“It is not marriage they want but it is their agenda tom be accepted and pushed onto the masses”

Tom? Who’s Tom? I thought we were trying to marry off Steve? Or is Tom the wedding planner?

Comment #47: Lymis  on  04/07  at  07:34 PM

Hey where do I put in a request to get some homosexuals to move to Colorado to vote for decriminalization and maybe help us settle this in-state tuition for immigrants issue?

Comment #48: Nemo  on  04/07  at  08:00 PM

And someone with artistic talent (not me) absolutely must do a comic book series about the Sodomy Squadron!

Commanded by none other than Captain Sodomy, from his lair deep within the bowels of the earth!

Comment #49: Ms Kate  on  04/07  at  08:06 PM

Bigots have unnecessary apostrophes the way dogs have fleas.

Comment #50: sara  on  04/07  at  08:07 PM

Magis: no harm no foul - trailer courts have their share of bible thumping fundies and homophobic low lifes, true, but I have found that to be actually less the case than the in the house neighborhoods surrounding them.  The house people would always come in and try to convert us downtrodden trailer dwellers from time to time, even though there were plenty of their kind around already.  I think it was a pious way to judge and put on airs, as us trailer types were obviously not leading righteous lives or we wouldn’t have lived in trailers, ya know!

Comment #51: Ms Kate  on  04/07  at  08:10 PM

Be careful, PiaToR, the surest way to get caught making a grammar mistake is to call somebody else on theirs…

That would be a fine example of Muphry’s Law.

Comment #52: Andre  on  04/07  at  09:39 PM

Hurray! And double hurray that fewer outside freepers will be coming to town. Now the legislature (after taking time out to overturn the veto) can get back to economy-related stuff, like putting the kibosh of the governor’s plan to respond to the recession by firing as many state employees as possible who work providing services to poor people (while keeping in place the increased number of “professionals”, managers and consultants he hired during the past 6 years).

I think Vermont is an interesting model for the rest of the country because the campaign for marriage equality was waged largely on a one-to-one level. It’s harder for legislators to deny rights to people they’ve known and liked for years. And it’s easier for even the most set-in-their-ways backwoods types to say “Sure, go ahead, it won’t hurt us any” when they’re talking about the couple that lives down the road and always brings great food to the party when one of their kids has to ship out. Rights shouldn’t be dependent on that kind of understanding, but actual recognition of those rights usually is.

Comment #53: paul  on  04/07  at  09:48 PM

Be careful, PiaToR, the surest way to get caught making a grammar mistake is to call somebody else on theirs…

Never!  I just claim that I’m speaking proper Commonwealth English and sneer at you yokel colonials and your poor education.  You’ll be amazed at how often it works…

Comment #54: Phoenician in a time of Romans  on  04/07  at  09:55 PM

Quick!  To the Sodomobile!

I think the Ambiguously Gay Duo could do a cameo…

Comment #55: Captain Bathrobe  on  04/07  at  10:18 PM

Well, add Vermont to the list of useless states I won’t spend any money in again.

That’s ok. Vermot is woefully deficient in Applebee’s and I’m sure you wouldn’t be coming up to the Green Mountain State anyway. VT will take the destination fall weddings for the FAAABBBULOUS gay couples.

Wouldn’t expect anything different from Vermont. Too bad such a beautiful state has to be infected with socialists.

The hippie socialists are one of the reasons Vermont is so beautiful.

shame that VT was once the most conservative state in the union but it comes a time when those few conservatives left have to say , time to move out and move on

Actually, the conservatives in VT aren’t really that upset, because most of them are “true libertarians” who believe very much in civil liberties. While they might disagree about fiscal stuff with the hippie socialists, there were plenty of repub legislators who voted in favor of the bill because they don’t believe the state has a right to keep two people from being married.

Comment #56: Mighty Ponygirl  on  04/07  at  10:46 PM

Quick!  To the Sodomobile!

I suppose the Sodomobile would look like this?

Comment #57: Ms Kate  on  04/07  at  11:04 PM

We could race it with the car from this video.  they’d probably choose different tunnels, though.

Comment #58: Phoenician in a time of Romans  on  04/07  at  11:14 PM

stop the freak parades, stop telling us that you like to poke men up the arse or wear a strap on

Wow, I’m shocked that a wingnut’s idea of sex is limited to penetrating something with a penis-shaped object. These guys really make this one man-one woman thing sound like a lot of fun.

Comment #59: junk science  on  04/07  at  11:20 PM

I find it really endearing that that one Freeper apologized for the graphic image of drowning in their own vomit. They really care about our constitutions, you know? By constitutions I mean, of course, mental/emotional ones rather than legal ones.

Comment #60: Lauren O  on  04/07  at  11:36 PM

“Does anyone believe that FreeRepublic.com actuallyi has a post such as this monitoring Pandagon??!!”

Does anyone believe “Ms. Kate” is really Ms Kate?  How stupid are you anyway?...

Comment #61: MikeEss  on  04/08  at  12:10 AM

FakeKate, Pandagonians don’t embarrass themselves with such vile and demonstrably wrong-headed vitriol.

Such a thread would be marked with a bland discussion of why Lil Wayne is better than Kanye because Lil Wayne can be listened to ironically, and Cake is the perfect name for that band, because it’s fluffy and kind of enjoyable but then you bite into it and realize it has no substance, just empty calories.

oh, and then we all get upset but don’t really do anything because some cop in Arkansas tazed a 13 year old girl on a “drug bust” for possession of “suspicious pills” which turned out to be her BC.

And then we talk about Battlestar Galactica’s new episode, much to the confusion of those who don’t watch it, especially since the series is over. But as long as we fail to mention the episode never aired, it’s our little in joke.

and then Jesse writes a post that is only a sentence long, but is quite clever, but the thread in question ends up being about how to prepare a good broiled whitefish.

and throughout all this, we respond with smug condescension to the repeated attempts by concern trolls to express how maybe we shouldn’t really be all up ons Obama’s nuts (PROTIP: Yes, we should.) because he’s just going to fail like all black people ever do, which he or she knows because she has hired/is best friends with/was sued by a black person at some point. oh, and a bunch of pop culture references, while we listen to our indie rock and wear our keffiyehs and chucks an nothing else. Because we’re so ironic it hurts. except for the older people, who complain about us being ironic and insist that Boomers have feelings too (I was skeptical too, but apparently this is the case. They are not in fact a species of crustaceans that gathered in mass at Woodstock.)

so, yeah, I guess they could make a clipthread. but the money quotes aren’t going to be as interesting or effective. Because we are masters of talking about nothing and saying 50 words where 5 will do.

Comment #62: karpad  on  04/08  at  12:38 AM

Shorter karpad: *Yawn*

Comment #63: Phoenician in a time of Romans  on  04/08  at  12:42 AM

And someone with artistic talent (not me) absolutely must do a comic book series about the Sodomy Squadron!

What, you mean Torchwood doesn’t have its own spinoff comic books by now?

Comment #64: The Opoponax  on  04/08  at  01:10 AM

. . . how much extra business the wedding industry in Vermont is about to get.

Essie Elephant - From the point of view of summer wedding tourism, they couldn’t have timed it better.

Comment #65: Molly, NYC  on  04/08  at  01:20 AM

Ms. Kate has been banned (the one with the dot, obviously.)

Comment #66: Auguste  on  04/08  at  01:23 AM

I love it when people talk about polygamy in their opposition to gay marriage. Because you know they’d be crying like babies if polygamy were made legal. Does anyone really think that if gay marriage were legal across the whole country, these homophobes would lie back and say “Might as well”? Doubt it!

And how can so many people incorrectly put an “‘s” in a plural? Anyway, I predict a surge in sales of Vermont Teddy Bear’s (that was intentional).

Comment #67: Emily  on  04/08  at  01:35 AM

Shorter karpad: *Yawn*

yeah, that’s probably a fair abridgement.

Comment #68: karpad  on  04/08  at  01:41 AM

Here’s something interesting about the slippery slope polygamy invocation: it implies that it is only the traditional status of heterosexual marriage that allows it to resist expansion.  What else does heteromarriage have that same sex marriage doesn’t?  Any reason that is cited for drawing the line to exclude other kinds of marriage further down the slope (consent, interest of society, etc) can easily be adopted by same sex marriage.  The only that can’t be is traditionality.  And this justification obviously fails to resist the inclusion of polygamy without arbitrarily excluding times and places where polygamy is traditional. 

Anyway, a little delving into the slippery slope tactic reveals “traditional marriage” as actually weaker than equality of marriage is at resisting newcomers.

Comment #69: Nemo  on  04/08  at  01:54 AM

“And someone with artistic talent (not me) absolutely must do a comic book series about the Sodomy Squadron!”

When it gets adapted to a TV show, Peter Jackson already did the theme song.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BCcaMIcwz30&feature=PlayList&p=F559A249BEDF448D&playnext=1&playnext_from=PL&index=12

I’m sure the Freepers would like to be offended by this, over and over again.

Comment #70: witless chum  on  04/08  at  01:55 AM

CT going gay was like the final nail in the coffin…

What, you mean Torchwood doesn’t have its own spinoff comic books by now?

I am willing to believe John Barrowman is the reason for all of us in CT “going gay.”

Comment #71: Juan Stoppable  on  04/08  at  02:46 AM

Goddamn humourless feminists.

Comment #72: RacyT  on  04/08  at  02:57 AM

a dog cannot consent to either sex or marriage. a child cannot consent to either sex or marriage.


why can these morons not GET that CONSENT is the key fucking issue here?! i am CONSTANTLY seeing posts that, essentially, say “once those homosexuals can marry each other, we will have to make BEASTIALITY and PEDOPHILIA legal”
i am fucking sick of it. NO WE WILL NOT MAKE EITHER ONE LEGAL BECAUSE NEITHER ANIMALS NOR CHILDREN CAN MEANINGFULLY CONSENT.

PERIOD.

but i have NO problem with ANY marriage wherein all the participants have legally and non-cohersively consented - whether thats two gay men, of fifteen random women, or a mand and two women or a woman and two men, or WHATEVER - as long as everyone involved gives meaninfuly consent, I DON’T CARE.

Comment #73: denelian  on  04/08  at  03:05 AM

and throughout all this, we respond with smug condescension to the repeated attempts by concern trolls to express how maybe we shouldn’t really be all up ons Obama’s nuts (PROTIP: Yes, we should.)

/me applauds

Comment #74: banisteriopsis  on  04/08  at  03:45 AM

Denelian, freepers and fundies don’t think much of the concept of consent in the first place: witness the “she was asking for it with that dress” rape defense that still remains with us in the 21st century. Your argument would find few targets within their ranks.

I also have no problem with any marriage setup anyone likes, though I don’t think our society can handle polygamy until some misogynistic issues are adressed. (Polyandry should go off without a hitch, though.) Once you allow for people to freely enter into the contracts they desire, you have to wonder why the state should give any special bennies to those entering into them, save for health care and consent issues. That thought process leads to a good result as well, imo.

Comment #75: No One of Consequence  on  04/08  at  04:25 AM

a dog cannot consent to either sex or marriage.

The same way we let cows consent before slaughtering them? since when did we care about animal consent?

(not that i think we should legalize dog marriage. they certainly shouldn’t be allowed to sign any contracts. I just don’t think this argument makes sense, especially not to someone like me who promotes animal rights. i’m willing to bet an animal would prefer to have sex with you than have you eat him.)

Comment #76: slingshot  on  04/08  at  05:23 AM

not to mention, that the penalty for the DOG that you have sex with is DEATH. (yes, when ppl are caught having sex w/ their dogs, the dogs are all killed.) is that fair? and how come it’s legal to jack off a horse if you plan on using the sperm to impregnate a female with, but if you jack it off just for the hell of it, that’s a crime?

i think it’s all just puritan nonsense. animal cruelty laws should be enough, defining what is “sex” with an animal is basically impossible.

Comment #77: slingshot  on  04/08  at  05:26 AM

(yes, when ppl are caught having sex w/ their dogs, the dogs are all killed.)

Rubbish.  Cite?

Comment #78: Phoenician in a time of Romans  on  04/08  at  05:43 AM

“[. . these people are also clearly fighting a war against grammar and spelling.]
They don’t know how much firepower that Kelsey and Tori are packing! -Ms Kate”

Partial Lyrics for “88 Lines for 44 Simpsons” by the Great Luke Ski…

Mayor Quimby, politician, all your votes he will extort.
Lionel Hutz, a bad attorney, he’ll get you contempt of court.
Kent Brockman reads the news with a crazy debonair.
Ralph’s nosebleeds would stop if he kept his finger out of there.
Itchy is a cartoon mouse who has some violent tendencies.
Scratchy is his kitty victim, mashed him into cottage cheese.
Krusty will get lots of laughs when he hits your head with a hammer.
Sideshow Bob’s a psychopath who uses proper Kelsey grammar.

http://www.thegreatlukeski.com/lyrics/

Comment #82: KMac  on  04/08  at  07:51 AM

OH NOEZ! Vermont is gonna force everyone to have a gay marriage!  Damn those homos forcing everyone into a gay marriage.  Oh wait, VT didn’t make gay marriage mandatory, just optional?  And I can still have a hetero marriage if I want one?  Then why does anyone even care?

Comment #83: bananacat  on  04/08  at  08:58 AM

PIATOR:

“Many forms of sexual contact between humans and nonhuman animals are physically destructive to those animals.  Few vaginas, especially those of young animals, are large enough to accomodate the penis of a male Homo sapiens.  Small animals may experience torn rectums and internal bleeding after being sexually assaulted, and chickens and rabbits are often killed by the act itself.”

Carol J. Adams, The Pornography of Meat, page 89-90.

I don’t think they were killing the dogs to hide the act.  I think it was the act itself that killed them.

Comment #84: speedbudget  on  04/08  at  09:20 AM

that is because the majority of folk do not think it is normal for…a woman wear a strap on pretending to be a woman.

*gasp* A woman pretending to be a woman? That’s definitely not normal. Those sick fucks!

Comment #85: vervain  on  04/08  at  09:33 AM

Ms. Kate has been banned (the one with the dot, obviously.)

Rumors of my freeperization are completely erroneous.

Thanks for the discerning eye to the differences.

Comment #86: Ms Kate  on  04/08  at  09:47 AM

Re: Summer wedding season: the law does not take effect until Sept 1st.

Important awesome cool bonus: Vermont will not have any citizenship requirements for people to get married.

Destination fall weddings in the foliage season, especially from all the Californians who have had their marriages taken away from them by the state.

Comment #87: Mighty Ponygirl  on  04/08  at  10:00 AM

If legalized gay marriage keeps fundies away this easily, we should do it everywhere!  It’s just one more reason to legalize it in addition to basic equal rights for all citizens.  These equality laws are looking better and better all the time.

Comment #88: bananacat  on  04/08  at  10:47 AM

Because we are masters of talking about nothing and saying 50 words where 5 will do.

My people!!!!

Comment #89: Caren-Sun-blocking Creator of Animorphic Pancakes  on  04/08  at  11:02 AM

The same way we let cows consent before slaughtering them? since when did we care about animal consent?

Shut up.

That’s rather the point.  Animals cannot consent, and equating humans, be they female or gay, with a pet is offensive as hell and ridiculous as to a point of law.

Speciesist?  Why, yes I am.  I really do think all humans should be treated as humans before we consider giving puppies and kitties the right to vote or to marry.

Comment #90: Caren-Sun-blocking Creator of Animorphic Pancakes  on  04/08  at  12:22 PM

OFFS.

The statement “not to mention, that the penalty for the DOG that you have sex with is DEATH. (yes, when ppl are caught having sex w/ their dogs, the dogs are all killed.)” ios NOT supported by a report that reads:

“Pierce County Animal Control officials say a 4-year-old pit bull at the center of an alleged case of felony bestiality will likely be euthanized, prompting an outcry from animal-welfare groups.
[...]
If the family doesn’t reclaim the animals, Sara will be euthanized because of her history of biting, Sayre said.
Sayre said the dog bit someone earlier this year. Details were unavailable.
Scooter, the family’s 3-year-old male pit bull, is socializing well and thus far doesn’t appear to be a threat if adopted, he said.”

And a comment about chickens and rabbits being harmed by (male) penetration says nothing about dogs and (gender unspecified) sex.

To give an analogy - people do not always burn to death in house fires.  You can point to some people dying in a house fire, but most of these are not due to burning, and most people do not die when their house catches on fire.

Apply some critical reasoning, people.

Comment #91: Phoenician in a time of Romans  on  04/08  at  12:55 PM

Critical reasoning:  Small dogs, I would wager, die from penetrative sex.  Just a bit of reasoning on my part.

Anyway, why are you so het up about this particular topic?  HMMMMMMMMMMMMM?

Comment #92: speedbudget  on  04/08  at  01:37 PM

Shut up.

That’s rather the point.  Animals cannot consent, and equating humans, be they female or gay, with a pet is offensive as hell and ridiculous as to a point of law.

Uh, I agree they can’t consent. I ALSO think they can’t consent to being slaughtered because ppl think they taste good. Or to being kept in a cage so small they can’t move their whole life. Why don’t people care about their consent then?

I also think that it’s hilarious that anyone thinks ANYONE would want to marry an animal. what would the benefits be? Get your pet’s insurance coverage? File a joint tax return?

Obviously marriage should be a contract between two people, the key word being PEOPLE.

And didn’t one conservative claim it would result in marriage with your PLANT? these people are clearly idiots.


speedbudget, my examples were all of dogs that were not injured (physically). Obviously in cases of animals that have been so injured by being raped that they have to be put down is quite different.

Phoenician in a time of Romans - ok you’re right, i used the qualifier all and I shouldn’t have. But they usually do recommend the animal be put down, and often it’s only if a no-kill shelter takes the animal and they refuse to kill it does it get to live. sometimes it’s legitimate, like the example of the dog with a history of biting. But the other two cases they just said the dog was “trained to have sex with people” and that was why they had to kill it. They could of just neutered it you would think…

Comment #93: slingshot  on  04/08  at  01:48 PM

If you argue for just treatment of women by taking humaness as marking moral standing it ends up providing a narrowed horizon.  In the 15th or 16th century humanism may have been novel, and particularly powerful in its context, and it is easy to see how affirming the dignity of humaness supports feminism.  But it lays a trap in that it makes value dependent on sameness. 

To even consider that allowing animals to be involved in marriage reveals this commitment to sameness as marking value.  Its helpful to be able to apply each theory when it is relevant: in the case of same sex marriage, it is indeed sameness that founds the argument.  In the case of animals it is simple enough to say that they don’t exist in terms relevant to marriage but that acknowledging their difference here need not devalue them.

Comment #94: Nemo  on  04/08  at  02:13 PM

look, i am not a vegitarian, i eat animals. so i can’t cry over a cow being killed and eaten - that is what the cow is for
really. if we don’t eat it, generally something else does.

that said, thank you Caren. that was my point.

Comment #95: denelian  on  04/09  at  12:08 AM

Careful.

Teleology is usually defined by cultural hegemony.  And its no coincidence that assigning purpose hasn’t worked in favor of non-powered classes.

Comment #96: Nemo  on  04/09  at  01:56 AM
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