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Friday Genius Ten “Where’s That Famous Prince Reticence?” Edition

Update: Prince’s people are saying he was misquoted.  I’m skeptical, but glad that the blowback from the comment mattered to him.  The retraction is classic ambivalence, though.  Like Prince wasn’t commenting on people’s rights, just talking about his personal beliefs. I’ll take it, though.  If all godbags realized that just because gay marriage is legal doesn’t mean you have to change your beliefs, this would be easier. 

Now, I was not unaware that Prince had gone godbag in recent years, though I try to put that thought out of my mind when listening to the music of what is undoubtedly one of my favorite all-time artists.  Nor was I unaware that he has a long-standing problem with homosexuality—-it was rumored that part of his harassment campaign* against Wendy Melvoin and Lisa Coleman was haranguing them about their relationship.  (Which is still apparently going strong—-at least they have another album together, and they do all the music for the show “Heroes”.)  But you’d think that someone who played with gender so much, and who was such an outspoken proponent of the getting freaky in bed would not have such a bug up his ass about homosexuality.  Prince is straight, but his reception by audiences doesn’t differ from that of what gay musicians get—-people love to boogey down to his music, but they don’t hold back making fun of him for being queer.  I fail to see how that differs from, say, how Freddie Mercury or Elton John has been treated by homophobic fans. 

But sure enough, Prince unabashedly Bible-thumped gay people for wanting to get married, which is really rich considering that the Purple One (while married and happily now) was flying through women throughout the 80s while the objects of his scorn in his own band seemed to have a remarkably stable relationship that doesn’t get to be a marriage.  Prince needs to lay off and show a little gratitude.  Yes, he made Wendy & Lisa’s careers, but face it, as the backbones of the Revolution, Wendy & Lisa helped propel Prince from star to superstar. 

So, before we get to the Genius Ten, I figured I’d play a video of rocked out, concert version of a song that was co-written by the duo, what some think is the best song on the “Purple Rain” soundtrack.

I’d do the Genius Ten off it, but it’s not recognizing “Computer Blue” for some reason.

Today’s song was picked for being bizarrely genius in itself, at least as a cover.


Original song: “Creep” by the Afghan Whigs (cover of a TLC song)

1) “Staring at the Sun”—-TV on the Radio
2) “Lullaby”—-The Cure
3) “Black Mirror”—-The Arcade Fire
4) “How Soon Is Now?”—-The Smiths (Really, iTunes?  You couldn’t find anything else by The Smiths to play?)
5) “Ocean Breathes Salty”—-Modest Mouse
6) “Steady As She Goes”—-The Raconteurs
7) “Hey Ya!”—-Outkast
8) “Modern Romance”—-The Yeah Yeah Yeahs
9) “Star Witness”—-Neko Case
10) “Munich”—-Editors

Looking over this, I’m impressed at how the 21st century has had a spate of very good and genuinely popular indie rock.  Unfortunately, this is about to come to a crashing halt, I suspect.  At Fun Fun Fun Fest last year, the main stage (where all the publicist-heavy, this-year’s-flavor indie rock bands play), we saw some good stuff like White Denim, Of Montreal, and the New Pornographers.  This year, a wave of earnest tedium crashed over the stage.  The only fun band I caught a glimpse of was Deerhoof.  It worked out fine—-the punk stage was amazing, and the hip-hop/funk/experimental stage hosted Kool Keith and the Octopus Project.  But the main stage felt like a death knell.  Well, we knew it couldn’t last long.

The Cure:

The Editors:

 


*Captured, with surprising if unbelievably cheesy honesty, in the movie “Purple Rain”.  It’s not that Wendy & Lisa’s sexual orientation are explicitly mentioned or really all that relevant, but his nastiness and lack of gratitude are not only a plot point, but the focal point of the The Kid’s redemption.  Only by getting over his massive ego and giving his bandmates their due can Prince ever truly overcome

 

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Posted by Amanda Marcotte on 01:23 PM • (73) Comments

はじめまして、アットローンと申します。

You don’t say

Comment #1: atheist  on  11/21  at  01:31 PM

Looks like Pandagon’s been targeted by the spammers again…

Anyway: my list can be found here.

WRT to Prince: as I understand it, he’s now a devout Jehovah’s Witness. And, like all born-agains or converts, he’s going to take the party line and really really run with it. Doesn’t matter is it’s completely at odds with the person you were before (in fact, it might even be more of a boon if there’s a marked contrast, a real dividing line between “before found God” and “after found God”).

Then again: how long has it been since Prince was really relevant? In any sense?

Comment #2: jp  on  11/21  at  01:35 PM

Other than his Super Bowl halftime performance (Jan 2007)...it’s been a while.

Comment #3: Swedgin  on  11/21  at  01:48 PM

He’s not writing classics anymore, but he does occasionally put out something worthwhile.  He’s still a great performer.  I like to blame the religion for his decline as a creative figure.

Comment #4: Amanda Marcotte  on  11/21  at  01:49 PM

Prince’s press people are now saying that Prince was misquoted on the gay marriage issue.  I don’t know if it’s true or not but I will use this statement to justify continuing to listen to him.

Comment #5: BadKitty  on  11/21  at  01:51 PM

See, but that Superbowl performance was still better than 99.9% of the stuff out there.  It’s hard for me to dismiss him.  There’s a marked decline in creative output in a lot of musicians as they age, but aging often makes you a better performer.  Of course, Prince has always been amazing.  I enjoyed the hell out of it the one time I got to see him in concert.

Comment #6: Amanda Marcotte  on  11/21  at  01:51 PM

I’d do the Genius Ten off it, but it’s not recognizing “Computer Blue” for some reason.

This is one of my only issues with the genius playlist concept.  It does’t work with most of the music I think would produce a particularly interesting mix.  It’s great for when you want 25 songs that are part of that weepy creative folk/indie mini-genre (Devendra Banheart, Sufjan Stevens, The Decemberists, Iron and Wine, and the like),.  But then it’s pretty easy for my lizard brain to pick out 25 songs like that which sound good together.  But a difficult task like making an interesting mix around Indian pop arranged for steel guitar?  Genius can’t handle that

Comment #7: The Opoponax  on  11/21  at  01:55 PM

Yeah, it’s a pity that Prince has gone all Donna Summers on us. 

After 9/11 happened and it was clear that (collectively) we were headed for bad times, a common sentiment around the web was “oh well, at least the music from this period will probably be good’ - and it really has been.  It was not long after that I first heard Gogol Bordello, for instance.  Time will tell how this era compares with previous ones.  Personally, I think it’s at least as good as Alternative was.  To me, the highlight of this time (whatever it ends up being called) is the prominence of exceptional women like Regina Spektor, Imogen Heap, Nellie McKay, Joanna Newsom, and Annie Clark (aka St Vincent, who played at Fun Fun Fun this last weekend, and whom I very unfortunately missed.)  If hard times makes for good music, maybe the lull of the last year or so will only be temporary.

Comment #8: PWI  on  11/21  at  01:59 PM

Yeah, I hope the expand it.  Maybe sending a note of complaint to Apple will help.

Comment #9: Amanda Marcotte  on  11/21  at  01:59 PM

<u>(Which is still apparently going strong—-at least they have another album together, and they do all the music for the show “Heroes”.)</u>

They had an article in the LAT about them a while back, and they were doing a lot of session work and TV/Movie music(this was before “Heroes” came on the radar).

Prince has apparently worked through his past stupidity:

(Wendy)Melvoin accompanied Prince at the 07.07.07 concert in Minneapolis where Prince introduced her as “one of my best friends.”

Prince:  overrated and, thankfully, about to be black-listed by the very folks he brought to the dance.  As Johnny Rotten said on the death of Elvis, “good riddance to bad rubbish.”

Comment #11: Pat Offender  on  11/21  at  02:30 PM

Declaring obviously amazing musicians “overrated” in an attempt to shore up your coolness factor is so 1995, dude.  Get with the times. There’s no shame in loving good music, even if it’s popular.  The Sex Pistols—-now, they’re overrated.  PIL was much better.

Comment #12: Amanda Marcotte  on  11/21  at  02:35 PM

“Fuck the Genius, Gimme the Shuffle” edition:

1. Bloody Murderer - Cursive
2. Running Mary - The Connells
3. The Path to Your Door - Walt Wilkins
4. Chinese Translation - M. Ward
5. Broken Symmetries - Peter Greenstone
6. That’s How I Knew This Story Would Break My Heart - Aimee Mann
7. La Temps de l’Amour - Las Rubias del Norte
8. No Phone - Cake
9. The Night You Faked Your Own Death - BE
10. Poison in the Well - 10,000 Maniacs

Bonus:

Let the Flames Begin - Paramore (dunno why, but it works for me)

Comment #13: the matthew show  on  11/21  at  02:38 PM

As far as the godbag thing goes, I usually cut people an extra break if they go that way after a family tragedy, which in Prince’s case was his newborn son dying of a rare and severe birth defect.  It’s so common for people to become suddenly devout after something like that happens to them that I’m never surprised by it anymore.

Comment #14: Mnemosyne  on  11/21  at  02:42 PM

Computer Blue is one of my favorites. Great Groove. Catchy hook. An instrumental breakdown that always builds and doesn’t overstay its welcome. Prince may not have put out a “relevant” album in many years, but his albums from the late-70s through the early-90s continue to inspire. A few years back he gave up performing what he considered his dirty songs, but I don’t think that lasted.

Comment #15: TD  on  11/21  at  02:46 PM

Well, I obviously feel for him on that score, but:

1) Prince hasn’t allowed reporters to use tape recorders (or, I hear second-hand, even notebooks) for years if not decades.

2) Prince can feel howver he wants about gay marriage, I guess, but the guy wrote “Private Joy” and “Jack U Off” and “Erotic City” and you know the drill for decades, and God did not “clear him off.” He could take that as a sign, if he wanted to.

Comment #16: Rick Massimo  on  11/21  at  02:48 PM

Now he’s trying to retract, saying he was misquoted?  Yeah, Donna Summers.

Comment #17: PWI  on  11/21  at  02:51 PM

Prince does absolutely nothing for me edition.

Genius can’t handle The Plugz, so… base song “Clumsy Beautiful World” - Tito & Tarantula

1. “Dark Night” - The Blasters
2. “Jesus Built My Hotrod” - Ministry
3. “Killing An Arab” - The Cure
4. “Mongoloid” - DEVO
5. “Marian” - The Sisters Of Mercy
6. “Dirty Back Road” - The B-52s
7. “Peter Gunn” - Art Of Noise
8. “Red Right Hand” - Nick Cave & The Bad Seeds
9. “Liar, Liar” - The Castaways
10. “I Just Don’t Know What To Do With Myself” - The White Stripes

Bonus: “Don’t Let Me Be Misunderstood” - The Animals

Comment #18: Sarcastro  on  11/21  at  02:56 PM

Huh. Go figure—“Computer Blue” is the one song on Purple Rain that I skip over. I love the rest of the soundtrack.

Comment #19: Orange  on  11/21  at  03:03 PM

Amanda, what was the name of that song that you and Marc played at my New Year’s party last year? The one that goes “They call me Stacy, the call me [wrong name], they call me [wrong name.  That’s not my name that’s not my name.”  That song is awesome, and I feel like I’ve had it stuck in my head for 11 months without the ability to scratch the itch.

Comment #20: redbeard the pirate  on  11/21  at  03:04 PM

Wendy Melvoin says that she and Lisa Coleman are just friends and working partners; Melvoin has been married (to a man) since 2003. She claims that the whole lesbian image was Prince’s idea as part of marketing for the band.

Comment #21: Dan in Denver  on  11/21  at  03:50 PM

1. Brushfire by The Flamin’ Groovies / 2. Eyes Without a Face by Billy Idol (BTW, if you ever get a chance to see the French horror film from the 50s of the same name, do so) / 3. Come See Me by The Pretty Things / 4. Pretty Noose by Soundgarden / 5. Someone’s Second Kiss by RJD2 / 6. Another Lonesome Morning by Emmylou Harris / 7. Shame & Scandal by Madness / 8. Night of the Living Baseheads by Public Enemy / 9. Recorder Sonata in G minor, 4th movement by G.F. Handel / 10. Theme from Zorba the Greek by Chet Atkins (for those not old enough to remember this film, and I’m one, it’s the music that plays before the shootout climax of Lock, Stock, and Two Smoking Barrels)

Comment #22: norbizness  on  11/21  at  03:52 PM

I feel like I’ve had it stuck in my head for 11 months without the ability to scratch the itch.

Presumably Amanda played you the appropriately titled “That’s Not My Name”

Comment #23: Tree  on  11/21  at  03:56 PM

Genius List based on: Society is a Hole - Sonic Youth

1. Big Cheese - Nirvana
2. Procession - New Order
3. The Murder Mystery - Velvet Undergound
4. When You Sleep - My Bloody Valentine
5. Neat Neat Neat - The Damned
6. In My Eyes - Minor Threat
7. Suggestion - Fugazi (too easy Genius, too easy)
8. Damaged Goods - Gang of Four
9. Son of Sam - Elliott Smith
10. 23 - Blonde Redhead

Comment #24: inkybrain  on  11/21  at  04:17 PM

1.  If I Needed Someone—- The Beatles
2.  Chronology—Ornette Coleman
3.  Hell is Chrome—Wilco
4.  Birdhouse in Your Soul—They Might Be Giants
5.  A Prayer for Our Time—Vusi Mahlasela
6.  Signs of Life—Pink Floyd (???)
7.  I’m a Broken Heart—The Bird and the Bee
8.  Do You Wanna Dance?—The Beach Boys
9.  Monty Got a Raw Deal—R.E.M.
10.  All Blues—Miles Davis

Comment #25: V. Bacfarc  on  11/21  at  04:20 PM

It’s so common for people to become suddenly devout after something like that happens to them that I’m never surprised by it anymore.

It can go the other way too—I know of at least one extremely devout individual who lost his faith after the death of a family member.

Comment #26: Cyan  on  11/21  at  04:30 PM

Now that the Ting Tings have been referenced, let’s have no more of that please.

The song is fun, but 5-years from now it will be so obscure no one would even use it in a trivia question…

Comment #27: MikeEss  on  11/21  at  04:36 PM

my playlist from this morning: http://kvrx.org/node/33752

Comment #28: JonE  on  11/21  at  04:48 PM

1. edgar—the lunachicks
2. overload—the termites
3. input/output—mathematicians
4. where were you—the mekons
5. start to end—sons and daughters
6. i’m lost—x
7. hot wired—the dishes
8. perfect disguise—modest mouse
9. cub car #1—skinned teen
10. here—pavement
bonus “ooh! ooh! i have to see what shuffle picks next!” 11. big lizard—the dead milkmen

Comment #29: jessilikewhoa  on  11/21  at  04:55 PM

OK, I saw Purple Rain in high school—I refused to pay and one of my best friend’s wanna be boyfriend’s bought my ticket as a last party night before he went off to the seminary in St. Meinrad, IN.  I definitely made out that night.

Were you even alive, then, Amanda?  Cause this post isn’t just making me feel old for not knowing much of the music of the IMS, but the realization you’re talking about Prince as I would talk about the Beatles.

Comment #30: Caren-Sun-blocking Creator of Animorphic Pancakes  on  11/21  at  04:58 PM

It can go the other way too—I know of at least one extremely devout individual who lost his faith after the death of a family member.

True—that was the reason my dad left the Catholic church after my mother died of cancer.  For someone who’s already devout, it’s probably more common for them to leave than for them to become even more dedicated.  It’s more that the person who’s loosely connected to a church often becomes more devout after a tragedy, which was the direction that the family of one of my best friends in high school went after her sister died of meningitis.

Comment #31: Mnemosyne  on  11/21  at  05:02 PM

Mr. Prince’s music is inspired by his deep belief in the Jehova’s Witless religion (which is Islamofascist) so it ought to be confenscated by Homeland Securitie.  Even I fell under the spell of his jungle rhythms when I was just a young Rugged and I remember an interview where he suggested that everyone read “Atlas Shagged” (which is VERY dirty and not all that religious, so I was somewhat surprized).

Comment #32: Rugged in Montana  on  11/21  at  05:03 PM

1. Busta Rhymes - Arab Money
2. Estelle - Dance Bitch
3. J-Bookie’s Dubtronic Science - Together ft. Jennifer Johns
4. DJ Shadow and Automator - Third World Lover
5. Clarence Clemons - You’re a Friend of Mine
6. Quad City DJs - C’Mon and Ride Tt
7. Bass Automator - Fiber Optic Quad
8. Cold War Kids - We Used to Vacation
9. Lords - Gloryland
10. Hectate - Chesed

Comment #33: banisteriopsis  on  11/21  at  05:08 PM

If Mandy didn’t know that Prince had become religious (I refuse to use the vulgar neologism “godbag”) then she can’t have been following his career very closely.

I was friends with a woman who was, for years, the president of his fan club.  Prince’s first album came out the day she gave birth to her first child, and because of that she felt her destiny was somehow entwined with his.

She was a musician herself, and truly loved his music, but after 20 years of fandom, she finally was driven away by his occasional excursions into fundamentalism and his weird pronouncements.  The straw that broke the camel’s back was when he posted a notice on his website urging his listeners to not celebrate “pagan” holidays like Easter and Christmas.  That and she was also offended by the extreme lengths he went, for many years, to prevent people from obtaining “The Black Album”.

Comment #34: MonkeyShines  on  11/21  at  05:09 PM

redbeard:
is it “Black Stacey” by Saul Williams? although, it seems the second line doesn’t fit.
oh well, Williams is fantastic anyway.

Comment #35: stephanie  on  11/21  at  05:21 PM

I’m still surprised by what Genius recognizes and what it doesn’t - an obscure album by Captain Beefheart or Negativland is recognized, but not a more famous one by the same artist?  It recognizes bootlegs by some artists but not official releases from the same?  Odd.

I update Genius frequently in the background, and it has indeed expanded its horizons.

Here’s what I got today on a 25-song Genius playlist starting with “Down By The River II” by Pere Ubu from Ray Gun Suitcase (director’s cut),

1. “Sloop John B” - The Beach Boys - Pet Sounds
2. “China Girl (live 1987)” - David Bowie - New York’s a-Go-Go: Glass Spider Rehearsals
3. “Rockin In The Free World” - Neil Young - Greatest Hits
4. “Hey Joe” - The Jimi Hendrix Experience - Voodoo Child
5. “Where Is My Mind?” - Pixies - Surfer Rosa
6. “Burning Down The House” - Talking Heads - Sand In The Vaseline
7. “Black Hole Sun” - Soundgarden - Superunknown
8. “Folly Of Youth” - Pere Ubu - Ray Gun Suitcase
9. “California Girls (live)” - The Beach Boys - Rehearsal Tape 1967
10. “Rocket Man” - Elton John - Honky Chateau

Then through more tracks from some of the above, plus Bauhaus, The B-52s, Lee Hazelwood and Nancy Sinatra, and ultimately ending with (bonus track):  “Paint It Black” - The Rolling Stones - Through The Past, Darkly (Big Hits Vol. 2)

Comment #36: Ian W. Hill  on  11/21  at  05:37 PM

“If Mandy didn’t know that Prince had become religious (I refuse to use the vulgar neologism “godbag”) then she can’t have been following his career very closely.

...FYI, use of the name “Mandy” when referring to Ms. Amanda Marcotte is pretty much asking to be banned…

Maybe you should watch the Ting Tings video…

Comment #37: MikeEss  on  11/21  at  05:38 PM

I always thought stuff like “I Would Die 4 U” was pretty straight-forwardly religious.  I mean, “Im your messiah and you’re the reason why,” and “Im not a human/I am a dove/Im your conscious/I am love” wasn’t ambiguous, was it?

Comment #38: Propaganda Due  on  11/21  at  05:58 PM

Redbeard: “That’s Not My Name” by the Ting Tings.

Comment #39: Amanda Marcotte  on  11/21  at  06:02 PM

The use of the name “Mandy” is a veiled threat that the scary hard right misogynists have taken up.  I don’t understand it, except that they enjoy being creepy in the style of Hannibal Lecter.  It says nothing about me, but tends to mark the person who does it as a sociopath who needs to be immediately banned for antisocial behavior.

Comment #40: Amanda Marcotte  on  11/21  at  06:05 PM

Short “Effeminate” Men usually overreact to The Ghay Mix

1. Mr. Cancelled - Cows
2. Good To Go - Elliott Smith
3. Burning - Fugazi
4. Arvio - Pan Sonic
5. Bad Dreams - Tricky
6. Pacer - Double Zero
7. Pianos And Voices - Morton Feldman (Joan La Barbra-vocal)
8. Love > Building On Fire - Talking Heads (Live)
9. Tre Pezzi For E flat: I.Con Moto - Giacinto Scelsi
10. Salty Papa Blues - Dinah Washington

Paisley Bonus Because Prince Can Be God When He Wants To: The Room Got Heavy - Yo La Tengo

Comment #41: dooflow  on  11/21  at  06:06 PM

“Declaring obviously amazing musicians “overrated” in an attempt to shore up your coolness factor is so 1995, dude. “

??  I don’t get it - how does expressing my low opinion of Prince shore up my coolness factor on a site jam-packed with his fans?

Comment #42: Pat Offender  on  11/21  at  06:06 PM

You said it to feel superior and try to make everyone else feel small. That’s what the term “overrated”—-especially when aimed at fans—-is for.  I fail to believe you didn’t realize that. 

What you also didn’t realize is that trick only works on people who are insecure about something, and anyone who doesn’t get that Prince was a genius songwriter is automatically the person who should be insecure.  Doubly so because you name-dropped Johnny Rotten to shore up your coolness points. 

As the blogosphere’s official Insufferable Music Snob, let me give you some hints so that you can snob at people and make them feel bad more efficiently in the future:

1) Using the term “overrated” to describe superstars automatically marks you as an amateur.  True music snobs only use that term sparingly, and only in instances that are so delicate that you really need a well calibrated sense of when a band is a critical darling but hasn’t quite caught on.  Better to have well-crafted explanations for why you don’t like something.  Warning: words like “poppy” won’t do it, because there’s no reason that pop music is bad music.  (This, by the way, is why you went for “overrated” to describe Prince, because there are few solid legitimate criticisms to make, because the man is a genius.) 
2) Shallow dipping on your reference to bully people with marks you as about 12 years old.  Johnny Rotten?  Really?  You didn’t even use his real name, which is the one he went with after the Sex Pistols disbanded.  If you want to name-drop to intimidate, you have to do better than someone your grandfather has heard of.  Nothing against John Lydon, of course.  He’s awesome.  But he’s also so famous he’s a cliche. 
3) You compared apples to oranges.  True, you weren’t directly comparing John Lydon to Prince, but it was an implied comparison. But one is a psychedelic funk/R&B;artist and one is a punk/post-punk artist.  The only real point their careers cross is they both wrote a bunch of danceable stuff, but in that case, Prince has PIL beat hands down, even though PIL is very good.  They’re just not in the same stratosphere.  If you wanted to bash Prince, you should have reached for a funk artist that perhaps you think is better but who has worked in relative obscurity.  And no, not James Brown.
4) You took a quote that drips with punk irony seriously.  It’s not that punks can’t be serious, but when there’s obvious hyperbole being employed, grain of salt, grain of salt.  More to the point, Elvis died in 1977, which means that the Johnny Rotten quote would have been at the height of the media bonanza surrounding the Sex Pistols.  Any punk fan worth their record collection knows that the Pistols were, in their formation and marketing, indistinguishable from any boy band like New Edition or the Archies.  It was about taking a grassroots movement, layering spit and a discontented posture on it, and selling it to the kids.  In 1977, Johnny Rotten knew that his job was to take a piss on every sacred cow presented to him, whether he meant it or not, and I suspect that’s what was going on with the Elvis quote.  He grew up, and so did the Pistols’ fans.  Mostly.

Capice?

Comment #43: Amanda Marcotte  on  11/21  at  06:26 PM

My first Genius 10! I never used this thing before. It’s pretty cool, except it seems to go for hit singles from albums.

Based on: Do You Want To from Franz Ferdinand

1.  Doesn’t Remind Me - Audioslave
2.  Phantom Limb - The Shins
3.  Finding Out True Love is Blind - Louis XIV
4.  My Hero - Foo Fighters
5.  Criminal - Fiona Apple
6.  Icky Thump - White Stripes
7.  The Fallen - Franz Ferdinand
8.  Canned Heat - Jamiroquai
9.  The Yeah, Yeah, Yeah Song- The Falming Lips*
10. A-Punk - Vampire Weekend

*Used to really like this song but not it only makes me think of salad.

Comment #44: pablo  on  11/21  at  06:27 PM

It is an allusion to the way that you come and give without taking.

Comment #45: Propaganda Due  on  11/21  at  06:27 PM

Oh and Prince peaked in 1984, so who cares what he thinks or does now?

Comment #46: pablo  on  11/21  at  06:28 PM

Prince, as a musician and composer was brilliant (note the past tense).  As a human he has always been full of shit, full of himself and mostly just a very confused young man.  Not coincidentally, a lot of great artists were also schmucks.

Go figure.

If you get Kevin’s Smith’s first DVD of his college tour there’s a great story about him working with Prince that is pure, classic Prince.

I recall going to the super-secret, private, you hadtobesomebody listening party for “Around the World…”  The Prince was there but wouldn’t come into the room and required everyone lay on the floor, in the dark, and listen to the same shitty cut from the record three times (it was the “America” cut).

Then, apparently, he left the building.  The WB folks played Raspberry Beret and Pop Life and everyone felt much better about the record.

So much for the “artist”.  And yes, I still have a bunch of favorite Prince cuts on the Pod.

Comment #47: ice weasel  on  11/21  at  06:41 PM

Is there something analogous to Genius Playlist available for people who use fb2k?  I’m not a mac girl and iTunes chokes the life out of my pc if I ever try to run it.

Comment #48: beylita  on  11/21  at  07:09 PM

If “act your age not your shoe-size” is genius songwriting I’m a Chinese jet pilot.

Comment #49: Sarcastro  on  11/21  at  07:20 PM

“...anyone who doesn’t get that Prince was a genius songwriter is automatically the person who should be insecure. “

Wow.  Is it possible for you to simultaneously entertain the notions that 1) musical taste is a subjective matter, and 2) millions of Elvis (Prince,) fans could actually be wrong?  Hell, 53 million people voted for Bush in 2004! 

“If you want to name-drop to intimidate, you have to do better than someone your grandfather has heard of.”

I’m 46, my last grandfather died in 1972, and you probably don’t frequent this blog if you haven’t heard of Johnny Rotten. 

Nice work BTW - toss around ad hominems in response to dissing a popular artist you happen to like.  Who’s trying to make who feel small here?

Comment #50: Pat Offender  on  11/21  at  07:20 PM

“because there are few solid legitimate criticisms to make”

1) His annoying and incessant knack for titling his sings in text-speak, such as “I Would Die 4 U’ and “Nothing Compares 2 U” 

2) “The Artist Formerly Known as Prince”

Comment #51: Pat Offender  on  11/21  at  07:37 PM

Pat Offender: If the only two you came up with were song names and his self-identity and nothing to do with his MUSIC, then you know you’re full of shit.

Comment #52: history_mom  on  11/21  at  07:42 PM

1) His annoying and incessant knack for titling his sings in text-speak, such as “I Would Die 4 U’ and “Nothing Compares 2 U”

To be fair, those songs came out nearly two decades before “text-speak” became de riguer. I don’t think you can lay that one at Prince’s platform shoes. And I’ve always thought the whole spiel about the renaming business - calling himself “The Arist” means he’s arrogant - wasn’t fair since it was started because of Warner Brothers screwing with him, but that’s neither here nor there.

From what I understand, when Prince first took to the whole Jehovah’s Witness thing, he actually did the door-to-door witnessing. I don’t know if he still does, but how awesome would it be to have fuckin’ Prince knock on your door and ask you if you died today, would your soul be prepared. “I’m gonna screw with Prince about Jesus”, you know that’d be the first thing you’d think.

Comment #53: Matt T.  on  11/21  at  07:45 PM

Seriously, “godbag”? The whole point of the post was that Prince shouldn’t be thrusting his stance on the question of “whether God(s) exists and what he/she/they want us to do” into civil affairs. That’s the right answer. You scored the touchdown. You’re even entitled to a little end-zone dance. But this “lol invisabel sky fiary” crap is like pissing on the guy who holds the down marker. It’s counterproductive! It’s not even the cool kind of counterproductive that’s actually helping somehow!

Listen, I know it’s a big bad internet world out there, so if I’m just being an oversensitive little faggot kike, say so.

Comment #54: Matt  on  11/21  at  07:55 PM

Sorry Matt, ridiculous superstitions don’t get respect just because they’re religion. If I’m being an insensitive faggot spic just say so.

Comment #55: pablo  on  11/21  at  08:10 PM

According to the New Yorker piece that started all this, he does still do the door-to-door thing sometimes.

I don’t think he’s a great songwriter insofar as the writing of songs involves the crafting of lyrics, and lyrically his default mode is eye-rollingly stoopid.  He is, however, an awesome musician and composer, a fantastic guitarist, and a magical performer and the one time I saw him—at Madison Square Garden no less—was probably the greatest concert I’ve ever witnessed.

Comment #56: forked tongue  on  11/21  at  08:21 PM

“If Mandy didn’t know that Prince had become religious (I refuse to use the vulgar neologism “godbag”) then she can’t have been following his career very closely.”

Except that she said “Now, I was not unaware that Prince had gone godbag in recent years…” The phrasing “not unaware” would tend to indicate, that she did in fact know it.

Comment #57: RacyT  on  11/21  at  08:27 PM

If “act your age not your shoe-size” is genius songwriting I’m a Chinese jet pilot.

If you judge songs by lyrics to the exclusion of music, there’s not much I can do for you.

Comment #58: Amanda Marcotte  on  11/21  at  08:49 PM

Pat, you still have not been able to make any kind of criticism that means anything to people whose main interest in music is in the musical parts.  And you don’t know what “ad hominem” means, which marks you as a conservative, probably here because of a link from an MRA site.  I misread you, sorry.  I thought you were a 12-year-old who just discovered punk.  You appear to be in the Bob Seger market, and dislike Prince because he makes your balls feel funny.  How’s that for an ad hominem?

Also, get a sense of humor.  Jesus, the irony generation skipped you.  You’ve heard of Johnny Rotten, but probably can’t like punk, because your ability to enjoy the tongue-in-cheek is broken.

Comment #59: Amanda Marcotte  on  11/21  at  08:49 PM

I mean, seriously, if someone says, “I don’t know anything about you, but you cut in line in front of me and that was rude,” do you scream, “AD HOMINEM!!!111!!!eleven!!!!”?  I bet you do.

Comment #60: Amanda Marcotte  on  11/21  at  08:54 PM

Uh, people? If your gonna talk about geenus music, why hasn’t anyone listed Foghat’s “Slow Ride”??

Comment #61: Rugged in Montana  on  11/21  at  10:15 PM

Caren! I saw Purple Rain the summer I graduated from high school, and then saw it again at the beginning of college with two floormates. Then so many people on my floor were listening to that album OVER AND OVER AGAIN at top volume, eventually we had to come to a community consensus to ban it. There are only so many times a day one can listen to “Darling Nikki,” after all. (Three. Three is definitely enough.)

Comment #62: Orange  on  11/21  at  10:39 PM

“Uh, people? If your gonna talk about geenus music, why hasn’t anyone listed Foghat’s “Slow Ride”??”

Come on!  “Slow Ride” is loud, pretentious, repetitive crap.

Now if we’re talking good music, you’re talking about something like Lynard Skynard’s “Free Bird”!...

Comment #63: MikeEss  on  11/21  at  10:44 PM

Only Giles version on Buffy

Comment #64: dooflow  on  11/21  at  10:55 PM

<i>Come on!  “Slow Ride” is loud, pretentious, repetitive crap.</i?

Like I said, geenus music.

Comment #65: Rugged in Montana  on  11/21  at  11:28 PM

2) “The Artist Formerly Known as Prince”

In response to that I’d like to offer this:

I’ll prove to you that I am bad enough to get into hell, because I have been through it. I have seen it. It has happened to me. Remember - I was signed for Warner Brothers for eight fucking years.

—Frank Zappa

Comment #66: Auguste  on  11/22  at  06:49 AM

That was a great song…he and his band sure put on a good live show. Thanks, Amanda…

Comment #67: don  on  11/22  at  08:14 AM

I don’t think anyone who listened all the way to the end of Sign of the Times really had any doubt. For a good part of his career Prince seemed to have that duality of sin/salvation in his songs that Jerry Lee Lewis had (though obv. not to the same extreme degree). It’s also worth mentioning that Wendy and Lisa pretty much wrote Mountains, which could be his best song.

And also that Slow Ride is hands down fucking awesome and Freebird sucks.

Comment #68: Rockit  on  11/22  at  09:04 AM

I see your Donna Summer and raise you a Cat Stevens

Comment #69: flutbucker  on  11/22  at  10:28 AM

Amanda, re “Mandy”:

I have to honestly say that the Amandas I’ve met in my life tend to feel pretty strongly one way or another about whether they like being called “Mandy” or not, and I’ve always assumed that those who do like the nickname will be pretty clear about it.

Comment #70: Brian X  on  11/22  at  03:43 PM

and mostly just a very confused young man.

After all, he wears PURPLE. Obviously he’s not all there.

Comment #71: banisteriopsis  on  11/23  at  08:57 AM

“The whole point of the post was that Prince shouldn’t be thrusting his stance on the question of “whether God(s) exists and what he/she/they want us to do” into civil affairs.”

No, the point is that his stance that ‘god’ wants him to bash gays and lesbians makes him a fucking scumbag and a hypocrite regardless of whether he thrusts that stance into civil affairs, and that people who use self-evidently bullshit pretenses of ‘faith’ as a pretext for their own hateful pathologies have no right whatsoever to the tolerance of actually decent human beings.

Comment #72: dan  on  11/23  at  06:07 PM

Prince is pretty damn untouchable as a musician, composer, arranger, producer, etc. but I wouldn’t take his advice on anything resembling real life, and this latest inane homophobic outburst doesn’t exactly surprise me. Lyric-wise, the more trivial he is, the better; his funny lyrics about sex, sexiness, flirting, and his own awesomeness are perfect and often profound without trying.. When he TRIES to be deep and profound, I ignore the usually embarrassing words and listen to the bass line. “Shut up, you silly pampered idiot savant, I’m trying to get in my body here.”

But that’s just one IMS’s opinion.

Comment #73: J Neo Marvin  on  11/25  at  03:01 AM
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