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From GOPs To Gents

Long story short, it looks like McCain and Palin are going to be using stolen American flags at their Colorado Springs rally.

Fox News reported that “a vendor” found bags and bags of discarded American flags near trash cans, took them, and handed them over to the McCain campaign.  Which, of course, makes sense.  Most vendors wander around after major events, searching through the trash for remnants of the event that can be reused at some opportune point in the future.  The partially-bitten cupcakes I had at my high school graduation party were delectably incomplete.

Of course, this is all really beside the point - supposing that the Democrats weren’t going to use the flags again, and couldn’t find a suitable source to give them to (which isn’t even what the Democrats contend), the only suitable choice under the U.S. Flag Code was to burn every single one them sumbitches.  Also, the vendor only found 12,000 flags, and there were 85,000 at the event.  God and country demand that the “vendor” track down every single piece of fabric at the event and account for their proper storage and condition, or else they’re as liable as every single one of us godless Democrats for the desecration of everything our Founders fought for.

You know, worship of an inanimate object, like a flag…or a crown.

Why are the patriotism obsessives in the GOP pushing for what could possibly have the largest flag burning in American history?  And where was the pyre after the rally today?  It would be irresponsible not to demand such a result from these demanding dumpster-diving devotees to our great nation.

 

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Posted by Jesse Taylor on 07:42 PM • (35) Comments

Story not true:

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/214283.php

Comment #1: psmith  on  09/06  at  07:43 PM

It might not be true, but I love “demanding dumpster-diving devotees.”  I’m such a sucker for alliteration.

Comment #2: ignobility  on  09/06  at  08:02 PM

They will make a big election over small things—Barack Obama.

Comment #3: Ben D.  on  09/06  at  08:05 PM

What’s worse, the Democrats SAY they believe in recycling, but then after the event there were all these containers near the trash, and they were FULL of aluminum cans and plastic bottles!  I can only assume they were planning on melting them all together into a mass that could be used as a pontoon bridge to help gay Muslims cross the border from Mexico!

Comment #4: FlipYrWhig  on  09/06  at  08:36 PM

It’s a non-story either way, but if this guy Cameron got caught fabricating quotes, in 2004, he should not be working now.  That is a career-ending offense in journalism; it’s equivalent to being a priest and pissing in the communion wine.

Comment #5: mitchforth  on  09/06  at  09:04 PM

“You know, worship of an inanimate object, like a flag…or a crown.”

Or a cracker!

Comment #6: Lisa KS  on  09/06  at  09:15 PM

What I don’t understand about this is, well, what exactly do the Republicans do with their flags after a rally, if it’s so offensive to throw them away? 

I’ve often, in the course of my job, found myself throwing away things it seemed absolutely sacrilegious to chuck, but unless you know for sure that there is a place you can donate them where they will go to good use (for instance Materials For The Arts in New York), what else is there to do?  I’ve chucked more food than you really want to know about, for instance, because the various things we’d done to it on set meant it couldn’t be accepted at a food bank.  I’ve thrown away beautiful and pristine flower arrangements.  It sucks, but you do it because there’s nothing else to be done.

Comment #7: The Opoponax  on  09/06  at  09:34 PM

“I’ve often, in the course of my job, found myself throwing away things it seemed absolutely sacrilegious to chuck, but unless you know for sure that there is a place you can donate them where they will go to good use (for instance Materials For The Arts in New York), what else is there to do?  I’ve chucked more food than you really want to know about, for instance, because the various things we’d done to it on set meant it couldn’t be accepted at a food bank.  I’ve thrown away beautiful and pristine flower arrangements.  It sucks, but you do it because there’s nothing else to be done.’

This could be the the most unintentionally funny thing I’ve read in years.  Almost as good as the exasperated liberal at another blog who said, “Maybe Alaskans need to read the New York Times more.”

Comment #8: RH Potfry  on  09/06  at  10:09 PM

> You know, worship of an inanimate object, like a flag…or a crown.

I believe the original, legal term is “graven image.”

Comment #9: Andy  on  09/06  at  10:14 PM

I like the idea that they were just sitting there for trash pickup next to a dumpster for eight days after a major event at a stadium.  Because, you know, that’s how long it usually takes for Denver city services to get out there with garbage truck after a football game.

But Jesus.  Unless the DNC presses charges this story will never die.  I really hope they trump the theft up into some Watergate-scale scandal, because I don’t want to have to read the right-wing trolling on this for the next [indeterminate period of time].

Comment #10: NonWonderDog  on  09/06  at  10:38 PM

This could be the the most unintentionally funny thing I’ve read in years.

I will make sure to send you all the canned vegetables with the labels pulled off, next time, then.  Also the cereal and pasta removed from their boxes and dumped into garbage bags, the frozen foods that sat under hot lights for 15 or so hours, the artistically plated “restaurant” food that got rained on all day, the strawberries painted with red lipstick, the 10 pans of lasagna deliberately burnt to a crisp, and I’m sure I could come up with some other things, too. 

Or if that’s not what you meant, the idea that you think pieces of fabric with a certain design printed on them are more important than food really says something about conservatives.

Comment #11: The Opoponax  on  09/06  at  10:51 PM

I do think that the courts have ruled that trash bins contain private property until said trash is deposited at the dump and comingled with other trash

Comment #12: Bagley  on  09/06  at  10:58 PM

Hmmm ... John McCain, what’s in YOUR dumptster?

COUNTRY FIRST! We’ll pillage the other nations when we are done with this one.

Comment #13: Ms Kate  on  09/06  at  11:14 PM

Bagley, it has been ruled that once garbage is in the dumpsters, trash cans, etc., it’s out in the open and public property, and therefore available to any passers-by.

Comment #14: The Dark Avenger and Guardian of 10 Gold Chow Mein  on  09/07  at  12:00 AM

We might want to ask about the Republicans intent on prying stars off everyone’s flags, but really, knee-jerk reactions is what they’re counting on.

Some excellent electoral hockey-play analysis from fivethirtyeight.com: http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/2008/09/sarah-palin-is-not-hockey-mom.html

We should get back to talking about McCain’s infinite number of houses.

Palin has three.

Comment #15: Yamara  on  09/07  at  12:13 AM

“Or if that’s not what you meant, the idea that you think pieces of fabric with a certain design printed on them are more important than food really says something about conservatives.”

The fact that you consider the American flag to be simply a piece of fabric with a certain design printed on it really says something about you, Opoponax.

Comment #16: Direwolf  on  09/07  at  12:30 AM

Couldn’t they make the extra flags into bedspreads for the homeless? smile

No, seriously, I bet that lots of people could make good use of that stuff.

Artists are always looking for flags, and for free fabric. Children need clothes. What about a giant American flag hot-air balloon? I can see a lot of possibilities.

And jeez, Direwolf, what exactly IS the American flag to you if not a piece of fabric with a certain design printed on it?? Is it like the Eucharist or something?

Comment #17: Foucault  on  09/07  at  12:59 AM

“The fact that you consider the American flag to be simply a piece of fabric with a certain design printed on it really says something about you, Opoponax.”

...it sure does!  It says that Opoponax is a believer in logic and facts, and is not swayed by somebody else’s cynical political manipulations into placing a higher value an object than the priceless principles it is supposed to symbolize. 

It’s very similar to the way some place an infinite value on the theoretical promise of handful of cells in some woman’s uterus — completely ignoring the human woman who owns the uterus and any resulting issue — all of this claimed to be “Pro Life”...

Comment #18: MikeEss  on  09/07  at  01:01 AM

The fact that you consider the American flag to be simply a piece of fabric with a certain design printed on it really says something about you, Opoponax.

I did not realize we were graced with the presence of such a powerful practitioner of the magical arts. Because that is the ONLY explanation I can think of for giving something of purely symbolic and sentimental value a higher assigned worth than something of real, physical value.

I find the idea of flag burning laughable, akin to those morons who were encouraged by Rush Limbaugh to “boycott france” by purchasing french wine and dumping it out.

But claiming “it’s a national symbol, and therefore sacred” comes off a might amnesiac considering our country was FOUNDED as a flag-and-effigy-burning tax protest.

The flag means nothing. It is just that, a piece of cloth. It’s the thing it’s supposed to represent that has value. but that thing isn’t a country, it’s an ideal.

A flag is a star spangled napkin. If anyone truly believed it was sacred, it wouldn’t be printed on everything from t-shirts to paper plates, things that could be destroyed and scrapped with ease. It doesn’t matter if you like something you claim to revere if you treat it so poorly. No. the flag is nothing. Democracy is sacred, and worth fighting for, and it isn’t a battle fought with peices of nylon printed by slave labor in China.

Comment #19: karpad  on  09/07  at  01:09 AM

What about a giant American flag hot-air balloon?

Certainly no shortage of hot air under the flag at a republican rally ...

Comment #20: Ms Kate  on  09/07  at  01:22 AM

The fact that you consider the American flag to be simply a piece of fabric with a certain design printed on it really says something about you, Opoponax.

Oh, please. What this dead guy said.

Comment #21: pseudonymous in nc  on  09/07  at  01:29 AM

And this, too.

Comment #22: pseudonymous in nc  on  09/07  at  01:30 AM

The fact that you consider the American flag to be simply a piece of fabric with a certain design printed on it really says something about you, Opoponax

That’s what a flag is, no?

“Have I not seen men sabered into crow’s meat over a piece of of cloth that wouldn’t bring 3 pence in any county fair in England” —I forget who, Wellington or maybe Byron

Comment #23: Jeff452  on  09/07  at  02:08 AM

So, Direwolf, you’re actually even more horrified by this story than the rest of us.  After all, not only did the McCain campaign accept stolen goods, they accepted stolen American flags.  That’s like taking receipt of stolen crucifixes.

Comment #24: Mnemosyne  on  09/07  at  02:59 AM

If I’m reading her right, Digby’s take seems to be that the Republicans are out-and-out lying about where the flags came from.  IOW, they may be representing flags they purchased themselves as ones they “rescued” from Denver.

Comment #25: Mnemosyne  on  09/07  at  03:57 AM

Naw, I’m ready to accept that they took these flags from the Democratic convention. After all, stealing the flag is what Republicans DO.

Comment #26: Gar Lipow  on  09/07  at  04:18 AM

Are they going to autograph the flags, like Bush?

Comment #27: Arthur D. Hlavaty  on  09/07  at  08:49 AM

Either the McQueeg folks want us to forget the actual words of the Constitution that they’ve been shredding for years and instead focus on a symbol (very Republican thing to do) or they’d like us to forget the flags that cover the coffins of the dead brought back from Iraq. Either explanation suits me.

Comment #28: B.D.  on  09/07  at  11:18 AM

I have to say Foucault’s ideas of donating 125,000 flags to artists and seeing what sorts of “blasphemous” things they did with them would be amazing.  Which is part of why I linked to Materials For The Arts above.  They’re a nonprofit which accepts donations of all manner of things (from furniture to industrial scrap) which can then be distributed to artists and educators.  Which I gather is what was done with the real flags from Mile High stadium.

Of course that then opens you up to the fact that you can’t control what the recipients of the flags end up doing with them—including but not limited to eventually throwing them away.

Comment #29: The Opoponax  on  09/07  at  11:33 AM

That does it.  From now on, whenver I see an American flag displayed incorrectly anywhere, I’m stomping in there and proclaiming them un-American.  How many times in a single day do we see flags displayed that are tattered or worn?  Or unlit at night?  I see homes with forgotten, battered flags hanging from their eaves all the time.  I guess it’s our duty to start reporting these businesses and homeowners to the CAAFPA (Crazy-Ass American Flag Protection Association) so they can be listed and monitored by Homeland Security. Or something.

Comment #31: BadKitty  on  09/07  at  04:26 PM

Yeah! That’s the spirit, BadKitty, let’s GET those unpatriotic bastards! Direwolf, if I come to your house and see a tattered flag hanging in your trees along with the Halloween witch from last year, you are in DEEP dog doo-doo. I mean it: John Ashcroft, Monica Goodling, and whoever else is still alive from Homeland Security will be on your ass in a heartbeat.

Comment #32: Foucault  on  09/07  at  08:15 PM

Is the name “Palin” what’s attracting the nasty MILF porn spam?  Because that’s just creepy if it is.

Comment #33: Mnemosyne  on  09/07  at  09:36 PM

reduce (taxes for the rich)
reuse (old policies)
recycle (talking points)
It’s the Republican way.

Comment #34: me  on  09/08  at  08:56 AM

Can’t that porn post be deleted?

Comment #35: seeker6079  on  09/08  at  10:33 AM
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