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Fundie message to young people of color: thou shalt not master your domain

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Do you remember Joycelyn Elders, the first black U.S. surgeon general, who served during the Clinton administration and stepped into a steaming pile of American Victorianism in regards to sexuality and safer sex? She

was given the boot

resigned after a brief 15 months:

In 1994, she became a lightning rod for criticism after she said schools should consider teaching masturbation to students as a means to prevent sexually transmitted diseases.

...“If I had to do it all over again today, I would do it the same way,” she told CNN in a recent interview. “I felt I did it right the first time. I told someone, ‘I went to Washington feeling like prime steak, and I left feeling like low-grade hamburger,’ ” she said.

...As surgeon general, she advocated universal health care and comprehensive health and sex education, but some of her comments—such as her remarks about masturbation—enraged conservatives.

“Our country talked about masturbation more in December of 1994 than they ever have in the history of the country, and you know, people would think you’d be embarrassed about that,” Elders told CNN in 1996. “I’m not embarrassed about that.”

The 72-year-old Elders would receive just as poor a reception in 2009 from the folks at the Passion for Christ Movement which, along with Dr. Ty @ DaSouth.com, is engaging in a holy war over spanking the monkey, focusing on young people of color.

Yes, I said it, in fact, I’ll say it again, MASTURBATION! I figure if a few thousand of the millions here on Myspace can expose their breast, proposition you for sex, have degrading music, and nakedness can have the audacity to request me as a friend , then I can say MASTURBATION and tell the truth about it! And given that many of you are doing it or have, let’s talk about it. Since the majority of us have at least a 3rd grade education, I’ll begin by defining what it is.

I have heard it said by many, especially by “Christians”, that masturbation is not sex and even if you don’t have a third grade education, you can clearly see that masturbation is sex. But many like to use that as an excuse to do it so that they can get a little sex without going “all the way”. But whether you have sexual intercourse or sexually manipulate your own genitals to achieve an orgasm, you are having sex. The reason why you masturbate is to achieve an orgasm. And an orgasm is the culmination, the climax of any sexual act, whether it’s with a partner(s) or sex with yourself. And that’s exactly what masturbation is, solo sex.

...Trust me, I’ve been there, and I’d rather have cold, dry sheets than to fondle my self. Two things I’ve come to know about masturbation is this:

1. It brings shame, and…
2. It is addictive

Most people who have engaged in masturbation know that the culmination of this sexual act ends in shame. I don’t have to share with you the thousands of emails of the admittance of this shame because you know all too well since you have experienced it yourself. Curled up in a fetal position, crying, because your bed is even more empty and you’re lonelier than you did before you violated yourself…Because God never created sex so that you could gratify yourself. The dictionary defined masturbation as self abuse…the miss use of yourself. The mistreatment, the manipulation, the exploitation of YOU.

TMI. While this is hysterically bizarre, the sad truth is that, with the unprecedented spread of HIV/AIDS in minority communities, a pious drumbeat to demonize a form of sexual expression that represents safe sex, doesn’t involve the possibility of an unintended pregnancy, and no one gives a rip about if done in private is the last thing young POC need to hear.

More below the fold.
All I hear in this article’s message is that one’s body is being defiled, abused and that the act of self-pleasure is a sexual disorder. The article denies that we are sexual beings capable of self-control. One reader called it out.

Honestly
written by Guapo, February 05, 2009

this article is absurd and bordering on the verge of criminal. When we hit a certain age especially in the male biology the urge for sex is one of the largest driving forces in our brains because of every species need to successfully reproduce thus having our genes pass to an other generation. On a biological level this is basically the ultimate goal of life. Obviously in the world we live in, promiscuous sex is not only frowned upon by many theological cultures but a hazard to ones health in the face of many sexually transmitted diseases. So abstinence until marriage is an easy safety measure to prevent the spread of these fatal diseases.

Masturbation is a tool to suppress these urges and is used to help with a variety of mental illnesses such as depression and anxiety. To not just control this impulse, which like any form of pleasure should be controlled, but to completely subjugate our sexual desires is sheer insanity. This article states that the act of masturbation is completely unnatural and we should be ashamed of engaging in it. This shame is not brought about by our own moral spectrum but by the religious fear of angering some omnipotent being who watches and tallies every single transgression against some law that was prophesied by people who lived thousands of years ago. Please whether we admit it or not we are sexual beings and to ignore this fact until the day of your wedding will be harmful to your own personal development as a human being.

Some of the other comments at DaSouth.com are quite revelatory—you see the gulf and struggle between conservative religious views about sex and reality-based thinking regarding sexual health. If nothing else, this article has stimulated a discussion about a topic that is as much a third rail topic today as it was when Dr. Joycelyn Elders tried to educate the public about the matter.  These folks need to get their heads out of the sand. Dr. Elders, you’re needed on the intertubes pronto.

H/t, Jesus’ General.

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Posted by Pam Spaulding on 05:00 PM • (66) Comments

I won’t comment on the absurdity of this argument.  It’s self evident for anyone who’s not a member of the religious douchocracy.

What I’m curious about are those tee-shirts in the picture.  Who would willingly be photographed wearing something that stupid?  Are they for sale and who buys them?  We need to know just how deep this lunacy really goes…

Comment #1: MikeEss  on  02/06  at  05:11 PM

Wow. Only time I ever felt ashamed or embarrassed about it was when my mom walked in on me.

Comment #2: Matthew, Patron Saint of Affogato  on  02/06  at  05:13 PM

I’m happy for those two kids with they “ex-mastubators” shirts.  That means they’re a couple now, right?

Comment #3: Sjt  on  02/06  at  05:15 PM

And yet this guy is no less of a wanker.

“Miss use”.  That’s a telling typo.

Comment #4: damnedyankee  on  02/06  at  05:23 PM

. . . uh . . . after I masturbate, I usually feel a nice warm afterglow and then I fall asleep.  Maybe I’m doing it wrong?

Comment #5: nolo  on  02/06  at  05:23 PM

I will say this: when I want sex, masturbation generally doesn’t do it for me.  But it sure cuts the edge off.

And I’ve never cried, nor have I felt ashamed, of masturbating.

Comment #6: Antigone  on  02/06  at  05:24 PM

Well, I have often engaged in the act of masturbation and the only culminating result of the act I’ve noticed is a big smile on my face and a desire for pizza.

Being a godless heathen has its benefits, I guess.

Comment #7: UncleMike  on  02/06  at  05:27 PM

So that cute little thing played with herself? Uh, I’ll be in my bunk ...

Since the majority of us have <strike>at least</strike> a 3rd grade education, I’ll begin by defining what it is.

Fixed.

Comment #8: Sarcastro  on  02/06  at  05:29 PM

Curled up in a fetal position, crying, because your bed is even more empty and you’re lonelier than you did before you violated yourself…

Thank you, Dr. Ty, for this little window into the darkened recesses of your shriveled soul.

Comment #9: damnedyankee  on  02/06  at  05:46 PM

Speechless.  I must go blog.

Comment #10: Lisa KS  on  02/06  at  05:47 PM

Good God, do I need that T-shirt. 
“How did you finally manage to quit masturbating?” 
“I take it one hour at a time.  I’ve, uh, had some relapses this morning…”

Comment #11: Bradley  on  02/06  at  05:51 PM

Wait!  Wait!  I’ve got another one:

Curled up in a fetal position…

Only if that’s the most comfortable way to remove the anal beads.

Comment #12: Bradley  on  02/06  at  05:58 PM

Bradley wins.

Comment #13: nolo  on  02/06  at  06:06 PM

The great thing about this is you don’t have to write any new material. 

Over the generations, and especially in the last century or two, whole forests have been decimated to produce the paper on which the noxious emissions of some idiot or other decrying the devastation of onanism have been printed.

And yet, somehow, the human race has managed to not only survive, but thrive with widespread self-pollution being a worldwide phenomenon…

Comment #14: MikeEss  on  02/06  at  06:07 PM

There’s already a CafePress response.

Comment #15: Nobody in Particular  on  02/06  at  06:18 PM

The dictionary defined masturbation as self abuse…

And the dictionary, as we all know, is the inerrant word of God, not the product of humans and a reflection of the society where it was written.

Or was that some other book? I get confused…

Comment #16: Redshift  on  02/06  at  06:22 PM

Pam, your headline is misleading as always, all these websites are run by blacks and directed towards blacks, did you even look at any of them.  You make it sound like it’s a racist thing and it isn’t. 
As far as spanking the monkey or hitting the man in the boat, who cares if you do that.  More power to anyone who wants to get off, let them do it whenever they want and there is nothing shameful about it.  I can tell you being raised a Christian, I was never taught that masterbation was sinful or that you should be ashamed.  I would rather have teens or anyone for that matter, masterbate, rather then have unprotected sex and take a chance of disease or pregnancy.

Comment #17: cookie  on  02/06  at  06:32 PM

Curled up in a fetal position, crying,

U R Doin It Rong.

Comment #18: togolosh  on  02/06  at  06:33 PM

So that cute little thing played with herself? Uh, I’ll be in my bunk ...

Thank you for that much-needed belly laugh.  But honestly, what else would people be thinking if you wore a shirt that said that?  Abstinence people are either the most self-deluded people, or they are the biggest pervs.  Or both.

Comment #19: DonnaDiva  on  02/06  at  06:44 PM

Cookie, I think you need to re-read the headline.  At no point did Pam suggest that the Klan, or the Republican Party, or white people in general were trying to discourage young people of color from masturbating.  She said “fundies.”  Fundamentalists.  There are plenty of black fundamentalists, and in this matter they are, indisputably, targeting young people of color.  The fact that you automatically associate fundamentalists with white people is hardly Pam’s fault.

Comment #20: Bradley  on  02/06  at  06:46 PM

I want a shirt that says “X-Masturbator”, implying that when I do it roiling storm clouds gather, or beams of energy shoot out of my eyes.

Comment #21: damnedyankee  on  02/06  at  06:50 PM

Cookie, I think you need to <strike>re-</strike>read <strike>the headline</strike>.

Fixed that for ya. wink

Comment #22: damnedyankee  on  02/06  at  06:53 PM

Curled up in a fetal position, crying, because your bed is even more empty and you’re lonelier than you did before you violated yourself..

Funny, that’s how I feel if I don’t masturbate now and then…..

I’m not sure which 19th C. dictionary he’s using, either: The word masturbation literally means to disturb with the hand and not self abuse or any other variation thereof…..

As Woody Allen was said: “Don’t knock masturbation, it’s sex with someone I love.”

Comment #23: sjk  on  02/06  at  06:59 PM

I want a shirt that says “X-Masturbator”, implying that when I do it roiling storm clouds gather, or beams of energy shoot out of my eyes.

Oh god, for the ability to draw my own comics. I’ve spent the last five minutes laughing about all the possibilities here.

“Oh no! I burned up Miss April! And the bathroom!”

Comment #24: Scott  on  02/06  at  07:05 PM

I want a shirt that says “X-Masturbator”

But just in time, it’s Speed Masturbator’s mysterious older brother Masturbator-X!

Comment #25: Sarcastro  on  02/06  at  07:13 PM

Thanks damnedyankee.  I probably would have noticed that myself, if I weren’t going blind.  Plus, the hairy palms keep getting caught in the keyboard…

Comment #26: Bradley  on  02/06  at  07:15 PM

As surgeon general, she advocated universal health care and comprehensive health and sex education, but some of her comments—such as her remarks about masturbation—enraged conservatives.

Comments such as “I support universal health care and comprehensive health and sex educations”.

Seriously, though.  I hope and pray to Sweet Baby Jesus On A Rainbow Made Of Angel Skittles that this catches on.  Please please please have young brides and bridegrooms of Christ marching the halls of their local high schools wearing these things.

Not enough swirls in the world will wash the shame clean.

Comment #27: Zifnab  on  02/06  at  07:18 PM

Yes, they really do sell these shirts.

If you really want your mind blown, check out the utterly tasteless, WTF-ness of the “Ex-Slave” shirt.

Comment #28: mothworm  on  02/06  at  07:22 PM

Ah! It’s a whole “line” of ex shirts. Fornicator, Hypocrite (that’s rich) Atheist, Rebel, Slave, Hustler, Diva, Masturbator and, of course, Homosexual. Part of a “Movement.” Apparently, an anxiously-anticipated movement that just needed the t-shirts to finish printing before making it official. Sure. Because no real movement can start without apparel!

I’m buying seven of them and I’ll have my wardrobe for the week! I want to see which one gets the best reaction. Hmmmm….

Get em before they’re gone, kids!!!

http://p4cmtshirts.bigcartel.com/

Comment #29: TexasKaren  on  02/06  at  07:30 PM

Oops. Mothworm beat me to it…

Comment #30: TexasKaren  on  02/06  at  07:31 PM

How about a shirt that says “Ex Believer”?  or “Ex Cult Member”? 

“Ex Republican”

“Ex Media Zombie”

“Ex Prole”

...

Comment #31: MikeEss  on  02/06  at  07:44 PM

Sorry to break it to them but only a wanker would wear a t-shirt like that.

Comment #32: Childe O' Grace  on  02/06  at  07:51 PM

“But just in time, it’s Speed Masturbator’s mysterious older brother Masturbator-X!”

Sarcastro, you win the internets!

Comment #33: oldfeminist  on  02/06  at  07:59 PM

You know, if you’re ashamed about it, you’re doing it wrong.

Comment #34: Captain Bathrobe  on  02/06  at  08:00 PM

Gee, and I thought they were masturbating their exes.

It’s *so* important to be on good terms with your former lovers, dontcha think?

Comment #35: Bluefish  on  02/06  at  08:06 PM

X-Masturbater! Kind of. (NSFW)

Comment #36: Zarquon  on  02/06  at  08:37 PM

If you really want your mind blown, check out the utterly tasteless, WTF-ness of the “Ex-Slave” shirt.

mothworm

I guess this means they’re against BDSM too. *bah-dum-dum*
Hey try the veal folks. Tip your waiter. G’night!

Comment #37: Danica Lefse Queen  on  02/06  at  08:40 PM

Curled up in a fetal position, crying, because your bed is even more empty and you’re lonelier than you did before you violated yourself…

Well, the crying I can relate to, but I’m usually too busy working myself free from the bondage harness to curl up in a fetal position…

Comment #38: Phoenician in a time of Romans  on  02/06  at  09:13 PM

Cookie thinks that black people can’t be racist against black people. “All these websites are run by blacks and directed towards blacks, did you even look at any of them.  You make it sound like it’s a racist thing and it isn’t.” Stupid, stupid stupid cookie.

I’m sure he probably thinks that most black people are racist against whites though.

Comment #39: asdf  on  02/06  at  09:16 PM

Thanks damnedyankee.  I probably would have noticed that myself, if I weren’t going blind.  Plus, the hairy palms keep getting caught in the keyboard…

http://www.protectcovers.com/

Comment #40: asdf  on  02/06  at  09:20 PM

While you do sometimes seem to win out in terms of sheer number of fundamentalist nutters, we do have some who can give them a run for their money here in Europe still.

How about these quotes from holocaust denier Bishop Williamson, recently returned to to the bosom of the Catholic Church.

Today’s feminism is intimately connected to witchcraft and satanism.

and

Of course not all women who wear trousers abort the fruit of their womb, but all help to create the abortive society.

How women who wear trousers ‘represent a deep-lying revolt against the order willed by God.’

Comment #41: Childe O' Grace  on  02/06  at  09:56 PM

How women who wear trousers ‘represent a deep-lying revolt against the order willed by God.’

Particularly hilarious coming from a guy who performs public rituals <a href=“http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Bishop-ordinary.PNG”>in a dress<a>...

Comment #42: Phoenician in a time of Romans  on  02/06  at  10:01 PM

The dictionary defined masturbation as self abuse…

The word came into popular use (and, hell, may have been coined, even) at a time when self-stimulation and sexual pleasure in general was frowned upon.  NATURALLY the people decrying it would choose a term that had a negative connotation.

I’ve heard it defined as coming from Greek and meaning “to pollute oneself.”  Such a term would be attractive to the sort of prudes who wrote treatises on the evils of it, both for the way the word fits how they think of it and that it’s subtle and doesn’t outright refer to touching one’s genitals.

This doesn’t mean it IS “self-abuse” or “self-pollution,” just that the people responsible for that part of the English language didn’t like it.

Nobody with a brain in their head uses the existence of words like “fireman” and “policeman” to argue that women can’t be cops or firefighters.

Comment #43: Kyra  on  02/06  at  10:13 PM

Not sure about policeman and fireman, Kyra, but a lot of the words for jobs that end with “man,” such as steersman and chairman, etymologically come from the Latin word for hand and not the German word for guy.  Not that I have any objection to “degendering” them:  if they have come to imply in people’s heads that such jobs are ideally for men, by all means substitute “chair” and “pilot.”

I guess I’m agreeing with you that the Etymological Fallacy is no way to make an argument.  But wingnuts love to do it, don’t they?  I still remember Tom Wolfe’s claim that “The Rococo Marxists in academia will do anything to conceal the fact that the word ‘Nazi’ stands for a phrase that includes ‘socialist’!  11! !1”

Comment #44: Josh  on  02/06  at  10:37 PM

Okay, so to focus on the positive part of this post, I didn’t know Joycelyn Elders was so cool! I mean I had heard the name and her advocacy of masturbation (I was very young when the controversy was actually happening), but I didn’t realize she was also a woman of color. How difficult it must have been for her! What an awesome fucking role model!

Comment #45: Lauren O  on  02/06  at  10:39 PM

after I masturbate, I usually feel a nice warm afterglow and then I fall asleep. Maybe I’m doing it wrong?

If you’re doing it wrong, then so am I.

There’s a very long video that goes along with those shirts. I watched about half of it, and it’s fucking hilarious. About 11 minutes through, the cameraman and some of the other P4CM people ask an older friend of theirs if she’s going to wear the Ex-Masturbator t-shirt. I won’t tell you what she said, because I don’t want to ruin the funny. http://www.p4cm.com/p4cm/store/launch

Comment #46: Emily  on  02/07  at  12:19 AM

Is that web site a joke?  Nobody could be that stupid could they?  Well possibly fundies, who are obviously concerned about people thinking with their genitals because their brains are so feeble.

Comment #47: AlisonS  on  02/07  at  04:06 AM

I (or rather, R K Milholland) offer this up as an idea for a counter-shirt.

Also, it’s been many years since I started masturbating, but the only feelings of shame I can dig up were ones of worrying I might get caught, and how embarrassing that would be. As far as “curling up in a fetal position and sobbing myself to sleep” goes, it’s more like “curling up and going to sleep (in a warm glow).”

Comment #48: JCfromNC  on  02/07  at  04:52 AM

Innocent me! When I saw the photo I thought the shirt wearers proud that they had masturbated, but now were having sex with each other (A t-shirt saying “masturbator” would sound too much like “I can´t get laid”, but this one could mean “I only stopped masturbating because I´m too busy having sex with this hottie”)

If masturbation brings you shame, stop doing it, but let us 99.9% of people, enjoy it.. Jocelyn Elders was right that it had to be promoted. Masturbation helped me wait until I had a loving boyfriend, a private place to have sex, emotional maturity and access to contraception. (TMI?)And all that meant a happy sex life since day one. That´s not the story I hear from close friends who had sex because they got too horny in a car seat, when they were no condoms around.

By yourself it´s the only kind of sex you can handle at any age. It has no potential complications as long as you close the door, and once you are ready to invite a partner it´s as much fun as other kinds of sex with little added risk. And once you start having sex, you know what works.

Comment #49: Maria  on  02/07  at  07:08 AM

If masturbation brings you shame, stop doing it, but let us 99.9% of people, enjoy it..

You can have my penis when you pry it from my cold dead fingers!!

Comment #50: Phoenician in a time of Romans  on  02/07  at  07:31 AM

Masturbation (as some helpful folks at the women’s center made sure the college freshmen women heard) is also useful for women to figure out what feels good so they know what they want when they’re with a guy. Given that even comprehensive sex ed pretty much was limited to discussion of procreation and avoiding it, not having fun, it was a pretty good piece of advice.


And if you’re sobbing with shame afterwards, not only are you doing it wrong, but get help now from a trained professional to deal with the horrors of the past trauma you’re triggering. I don’t know what happened to Dr. Ty, but it must have been really bad.

Comment #51: Samantha Vimes  on  02/07  at  07:44 AM

And here’s the line up from the Legion of Superfluous Heroes! 

X-Masturbator!

Climax Kid (makes his enemies have multiple, uncontrollable orgasms)!

And their leader…EXPLODO!  He can explode with the force of a one megaton nuclear bomb…ONCE.

Comment #52: Ellid  on  02/07  at  10:28 AM

Masturbation ... is also useful for women to figure out what feels good so they know what they want when they’re with a guy.

And that would be why conservatives don’t want women to do it tongue wink

Comment #53: annejumps  on  02/07  at  11:12 AM

First they take away my 401K, now they want to take away my hobby.

Fucking conservatives.

Comment #54: Hawes  on  02/07  at  11:27 AM

I’m pretty glad that most Pandagonians (including, should we take him at his word, cookie!) have not grown up with masturbation under the shadow of a heavy religious trip.

For those of us who have, whether we’ve shaken it somehow or not since then—

TEH LOLCATZ
HAZ R BCKS.

Srsly.

Comment #55: Mark Foxwell  on  02/07  at  12:38 PM

If masturbation is a sin, why did god create vibrators?

Comment #56: choochee rodriquez  on  02/07  at  12:57 PM

I hate to be a party pooper, but the “ex-slave” shirt is talking about being a “slave to sin”.  That the pc4m people didn’t think how else “ex-slave” might be construed just shows what numbnuts they are.

Comment #57: bomberE  on  02/07  at  01:31 PM

Clearly these folks are not only uptight about sex, they’re also against peace (link NSFW).

Comment #58: Michael  on  02/07  at  01:48 PM

A:  I love women in uniform.
B:  Would anyone actually wear one of those T-shirts any place but for a propaganda picture?

Comment #59: Magis  on  02/07  at  02:08 PM

I wrote a character who had this reaction to masturbating once… not because he had religious reasons, but because his first experience with almost having sex was so unpleasant and humiliating that he was disgusted with himself for having sexual urges at all.

He was also supposed to be totally fucked in the head on the subject, and given that he had only recently recovered from attempting suicide by drinking a bottle of acid, he was *not* supposed to be mentally healthy.

Comment #60: Alara J Rogers  on  02/07  at  02:16 PM

When u cum, u make Jesus cry.

Whenever I think wingnuts can’t get wingnuttier, they gobsmack me again.

Plus, what’s with reviving Victorianisms that have been disputed for like, what, a century?

No less the misreading of Onan’s sin of “spilling his seed,” which was actually Onan refusing to impregnate his dead brother’s widow, which he was obliged to do by then Jewish religious law to insure his brother’s line wouldn’t die out. But if the sex act produced a son, would disinherit Onan.

Comment #61: judybrowni  on  02/07  at  02:23 PM

I find it so weird that anyone would translate “masturbation” as “self-abuse.”  It contains the Latin word for “hands” and “disturbance”, but turba (disturbance) is also the word for a crowd of people - something chaotic and busy - so I never thought it had such a negative connotation.  I’m more inclined to translate it as something like “manual arousal.”

Comment #62: realityfighter  on  02/07  at  07:09 PM

@ judybrowni on 02/07 at 12:23 PM
Apparently it’s not only the son of Onan that has them getting backed up.

“Some Christian theologians reason that
Masturbation usually involves sexual fantasy
According to Matthew 5:27-28, Yeshua of Nazareth (Jesus Christ) stated that sexual fantasy equals adultery
Adultery is a very serious sin.

Thus masturbation is generally a very serious sin.”

How’s that for logic?

On top of the reasons for girls to masturbate, for boys it could actually save their lives. It’s thought to stop cancer-causing chemicals that could build up in the prostate if men do not ejaculate regularly.

This would be more effective

Comment #63: Childe O' Grace  on  02/07  at  07:30 PM

Actually, Childe, there was a study that was recently published which suggests, that for men at least, it’s better to start masturbating late. Frequent masturbation after 50 (I believe that was the threshold year) does indeed help to clean out the prostate. But frequent masturbation before 50 is correlated with (and this is only one study, I don’t know how big, and also whether or not the results will be verifiable by other work, so I’m being intentionally cautious) a higher instance of prostate cancer, not a lower one.

Comment #64: Michael  on  02/07  at  10:38 PM

Michael
I went to check that and more studies have to be done because it might be more a case of correlation than causation as high levels of male sex hormones, or androgens, may increase a man’s risk of prostate cancer.

They suggest that young men genetically predisposed to have hormone-sensitive prostate cancer will be at higher risk if their bodies naturally produce high levels of male hormones—the same hormones that give them an intense sex drive.

So it’s not masturbation itself that’s increasing prostate cancer risk in young men. More masturbation may just mean more sex drive—and more androgens bathing prostate tissues.

Doctor Dimitropoulou also says this-

“It is kind of logical that a moderate level of masturbatory activity has to be maintained,” she says. “Not too much, and not none at all.”

Comment #65: Childe O' Grace  on  02/07  at  11:24 PM

The real reasons they don’t like masturbation is because it’s SO MUCH FUN and yet

—it costs nothing (NO PROFIT)
—virtually everyone can do it (NO PROPERTY)
—it’s virtually without consequence, given sufficient privacy (NO PUNISHMENT)
—impossible to stop (NO CONTROL)

It’s an authoritarian’s worst nightmare.

Comment #66: wapsie  on  02/08  at  04:46 PM
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